2.4C question

[bomaman]

Hey all i've been reading a lot about oc'ing my processor and became very excited about the above pole. I have a dell comp with a 2.4GHZ northwood p4 with 800mhz fsb and HT, from what i read that means i have the same processor that is consistently hitting 2.8-3ghz+ in the pole (2.4c) is this correct? All diagnostics i run say that my processor is a norhwood p4 2.4ghz and its only running at 2.396. I just got my new 6800GT and find myself a bit processor limited and need a new mobo to oc. Which mobo should i get (Price matter) and just verifying that i have the same chip that people are successfully ocing so much. Thanks.

[Jimbob7]

I'd recommend an Abit AI7, very stable overclocking board, and probably the cheapest you will get for what it can do. It also has 3.2Vdimm which is quite rare. If you want something more expesive and perhaps a few more features, get a Abit IC7 or P4C800-E DLX.

Almost every 2.4C will do 3Ghz, the odd few don't but i'd put this down the the motherboard to be honest.

[Killaapp]

I know newegg has stopped carrying the Abit AI7, I would suggest either the Abit IC7 or the Asus P4P800SE or P4P800-E Deluxe.

You will also need a new cpu heatsink AND power supply when you switch from the dell system. Dell uses proprietary motherboards / heatsinks / power supplys. While your at it you will probably need a new case as well. If you plug that dell power supply into any other motherboard you will short it.

You will easily hit 3.0ghz with that chip. I have not heard of too many people that couldn't hit 250fsb with these chips.

Good luck!

[Jimbob7]

Normally when overclocking you need a good PSU and better a much better heatsink, but the 2.4C run cool. If i was you i'd see if you can get 3Ghz stable with the current hardware that you have. Chances are you won't need to buy any. Check out the cooling stickies, for tips on what thermal paste (Artic Silver 5 (as5)) to use and how to get good airflow through you case to help temps.

[Killaapp]

Normally when overclocking you need a good PSU and better a much better heatsink, but the 2.4C run cool. If i was you i'd see if you can get 3Ghz stable with the current hardware that you have. Chances are you won't need to buy any. Check out the cooling stickies, for tips on what thermal paste (Artic Silver 5 (as5)) to use and how to get good airflow through you case to help temps.

Only problem with that is you cannot overclock with a dell motherboard. You NEED a new motherboard, and since dell uses propriety parts that means you need a new case, psu, and heatsink.

[Jimbob7]

Ofcourse he will need a new motherboard but, if he can help it, he not need waste money on cooling or PSU that he doesn't need to get the extra cpu speed he wants this being 3Ghz, he may need just a new PSU to get to 3Ghz, the reason i say see what the CPU can do first is because the 2.4c's clock to 3Ghz with ease, its getting past this the tends to be the problem. If the decision is to then go for say 3.5Ghz or max the CPU out he then has the opertunity to buy better more adaquet hardware for the job.

[Killaapp]

Ofcourse he will need a new motherboard but, if he can help it, he not need waste money on cooling or PSU that he doesn't need to get the extra cpu speed he wants this being 3Ghz


You don't understand, Dell uses proprietary parts. That means if you stick a new motherboard into a dell system and plug the dell power supply into it the motherboard with fry. Literally. You CANNOT interchance dell motherboard / power supply / heatsinks with other computer parts. Intel makes specific motherboards to go in dell systems that specifically hook up to dell power supplys.

I obviously understand that he does not need a 500watt psu and a xp-120 to get a 2.4c to hit 3.0.

IT is not possible to JUST buy a new motherboard and put it in his DELL system. It will literally short the motherboard. Because he has a dell the only option he has is to replace the motherboard, psu, case, and hsf.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

i knew that dell's power supplies were proprietary. i've never heard about the heatsinks. i doubt that though, and in any case, it would only be the heatsink FAN, not the actual sink.

the case should work just fine, they use atx don't they? it might not have EXACTLY the same mounts, but i don't use ALL the mounts on mine anyways.

bomaman, can you download and run CPUZ (http://www.cpuid.org/cpuz.php) so you can tell us wich 2.4c it is? it should at the very least do 3, more likely 3.2+ with a decent mobo/cooling. i only have a slk800u on mine, cost me like $25 canadian.

[bomaman]

Ok everyone... sorry for the miscommunication: i have a dell system... When i bought my new 6800GT i bought a 420 Watt power supply 'ThermalTake PUrePower' is what it says on the side of the ps. bot it over newegg on a 1 day sale for like 40$.
Second of all.. to end debate (at least for my Dell 4600) the powersupply i bought fits perfectly into the dell motherboard... the setup is standard, and also fits well in the case. Dell bios won't let me oc so i want a new mobo. Also, is my powersupply any good? it seemed ok when i compared it but im too noob to know for sure, my games are running purdy good. So: mission: new motherboard, and for oc'ing the FSB my 3200 1gig ram will make it right? im just wanting to push it a little ... i would be happy with 2.8 and thrilled with 3.0+ i am plannin on getting a new heatsink/fan but wanna get my motherboard rollin first.
Thanks guys

[bomaman]

Here's what i got

Name: intel Pent. 4
Code name: Northwood
Brand id: 9
package: mPGA-478
Family: F
Model:2 Stepping: 9
Revision D1
mmx sse sse2
Core Speed: 2,394.0 MHZ <----- Dell robbed me 6mhz!!!!! :bang head
L1 Data Kbytes
blah blah blah.... i think tha tshould be enough... 2.4c or no?

[Jimbob7]

Hmmm, thanks for the info Killaapp, we could have had a dead new mobo, i didnt realise things were so different when it came to Dell computers.


Bomaman, Try and get hold of one of the motherboards suggested above, i'd recommend an ABIT board they seem to be slightly less hassel, as far as bugs go, good for someone just starting to overclock. I don't know where you live but you could probably pick up an ABIT AI7 on ebay, or if you do a bit of searching on google you might get lucky.

I think you have a good chance of 3.0Ghz for sure. Read the stickies in this part of the forum they will help you alot.

Good Luck :)

[batboy]

A lot of Dell systems (but not all) use a non-standard case, mobo, and power supply. The power button and LED light wire connectors are different on these cases which makes them non-standard. If the power supply you bought works, at least you know that part is standard, so maybe the rest is standard too. You can mod the wires to fit if the case is weird.

I would get an Abit IC7-G, although if you know that you'll never upgrade to a Prescott, then an Asus P4P800 or Abit IS7 will work too. Just make sure you get either an i875 or i865 chipset on the motherboard.

Just make sure you have 2 matched pairs of RAM, so dual channel DDR will work. Yeah, you have a classic 2.4C that was the overclocking king a while back. I had one that did 3.3 gig and my current one does 3.5 gig. Most will do at least 3 gig.

[bomaman]

Ok im gonna get this refurb mobo off newegg i think cause i don't wanna spend a lot of moneys
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127155R
so for the onboard chipsets this one has:
North Bridge: Intel 865PE
South Bridge: Intel ICH5R
is this what i want?
Also batboy, pm me sometime, im from hutchinson ks.

[batboy]

That's a good motherboard choice for a 2.4C and a decent price too.

Good ole Hutch, home of salt mines and gas explosions.

[bastula]

asus P4P800E-Deluxe is an excellent choice. the 865PE chipset is great.

i have the p4p800 and its "busted", yet still OCs like mad on STOCK cooling and heatsink.

[Ritek]

my 2.4c is running on an abit ic7-g and cannot yet hit 3ghz.. but can easily hit 2.8 or 2.9 @ 1.575 vcore. I personally think i could hit 3.1ghz easier if i had some better ram (currently PC2700). 166mhz @ 197mhz then it crashes in prime95.

My abit ic7-g board did just blow up.. about 5 days ago. Its been about a little over a month. I RMA'ed and i will probably use it again and again untill i go on to 775 or maybe switch over to AMD

[bomaman]

Well SUCCESS.
New mobo and help from the forum on ocing 2.4cs and i hit 3.0 ghz on my first try and it has been rock solid. haven't run prime95 yet, but i have played games extensively :) and run 3dmark05 and pcmark04
3dmark05 score is a 5495

[Lat]

my 2.4c is running on an abit ic7-g and cannot yet hit 3ghz.. but can easily hit 2.8 or 2.9 @ 1.575 vcore. I personally think i could hit 3.1ghz easier if i had some better ram (currently PC2700). 166mhz @ 197mhz then it crashes in prime95.

My abit ic7-g board did just blow up.. about 5 days ago. Its been about a little over a month. I RMA'ed and i will probably use it again and again untill i go on to 775 or maybe switch over to AMD
dividers are your friend

[batboy]

Well SUCCESS.
New mobo and help from the forum on ocing 2.4cs and i hit 3.0 ghz on my first try and it has been rock solid.

Excellent!

[ZL1]

Well SUCCESS.
New mobo and help from the forum on ocing 2.4cs and i hit 3.0 ghz on my first try and it has been rock solid. haven't run prime95 yet, but i have played games extensively :) and run 3dmark05 and pcmark04
3dmark05 score is a 5495

:thup:
and to answer your sig question, nope 54 load aint too much, stock cooler right ?


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[bomaman]

no i bought an aftermarket cooler... it wasn't one i've heard of but it was rated up to 3.4ghz. i need to lap it ... it was pretty rough when i got it but haven't had time. Now what i'd like to do since its so stable is maybe try for 3.1 or so but don't know quite the right way to do it since i have 3200 ram so i was wondering if you guys thought i could squeeze a few megahertz over my rams 200mhz rating without breaking anything, should i test the ram independently of the processor and see where it stops ... also wondering if when i do this i should increase the volts to my ram any. thanks for all the support.
Also using cpu-z it says (under memory) that my "Performance Mode" is "disabled" what does this mean and do i want to enable it and if so how?

[Jakalwarrior]

Mine tops off at 3ghz (more but requires mean voltages) and its considered a dud pretty much. Most of the good ones will hit 3.2 or so. Dosent sound like much difference but it is a pretty big boost.

[Lat]

yeah, my d1 tops out at 3.1ish too. voltage doesn't help much, gives me maybe an extra 50 clocks?

i guess i could call mine a dud

[batboy]

Load temps are getting a tad high. I like to keep my temps low 50's or less for an overclocked Northwood. Maybe you just need some case ventilation improvements. Check out the links in my signature. You can't hurt the RAM, it'll either work or it'll be unstable. Give it 2.7v vdimm to help push it a little. I bet your RAM will do close to 3.2 gig using the 5:4 ratio. But first get the temps down a little.

[ZL1]

no i bought an aftermarket cooler... it wasn't one i've heard of but it was rated up to 3.4ghz. i need to lap it ... it was pretty rough when i got it but haven't had time. Now what i'd like to do since its so stable is maybe try for 3.1 or so but don't know quite the right way to do it since i have 3200 ram so i was wondering if you guys thought i could squeeze a few megahertz over my rams 200mhz rating without breaking anything, should i test the ram independently of the processor and see where it stops ... also wondering if when i do this i should increase the volts to my ram any. thanks for all the support.
Also using cpu-z it says (under memory) that my "Performance Mode" is "disabled" what does this mean and do i want to enable it and if so how?

brand/model ?
test the ram by itself, here is what you do, drop the cpu to stock, set the ram to 1:1 and start increasing slowly (like 2-5mhz at a time) and run memtest a few times, yes volts to the ram will help (most of the time), try 2.7 or 2.8v
cpu-z says performance mode is disabled in bios, go to bios>ram settings and poke around

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[SybrCLocK]

hey guys.. i`m barging in on this...
i have a p4 2.4c that's clocked 266FSB right now.. 3.2 GHz its stable... most of the time.. that means whatever test i throw at it.. but it freezes on me every random 8-14 hours... and i dont get why...

i cooled the northbridge, the processor is 38 C under load...
would a droop mode help? (i got the vcore at default) or should i hit it with 1.6v

thanks for the input

[ZL1]

hey guys.. i`m barging in on this...
i have a p4 2.4c that's clocked 266FSB right now.. 3.2 GHz its stable... most of the time.. that means whatever test i throw at it.. but it freezes on me every random 8-14 hours... and i dont get why...

i cooled the northbridge, the processor is 38 C under load...
would a droop mode help? (i got the vcore at default) or should i hit it with 1.6v

thanks for the input

run memtest, I got $5 that its your ram


D

PS: more vcore wont help, if it needed more vcore it would freeze under load

[batboy]

Bump up vcore and vdimm one more notch each and see what happens.

[SybrCLocK]

you might just opened my eyes...
i`m running 2x512 samsung original.. which are CL 2.5 and i gues 213mhz its overkill for it

i could get some DDR400 512MB TwinMos Twister BH5 CL2
but i would have to buy 4x512 which i dont know if my p4p800 cand handle right

[ZL1]

you might just opened my eyes...
i`m running 2x512 samsung original.. which are CL 2.5 and i gues 213mhz its overkill for it

i could get some DDR400 512MB TwinMos Twister BH5 CL2
but i would have to buy 4x512 which i dont know if my p4p800 cand handle right

:)

dont go for bh5 unless you can give it some voltage (like 3+)
and dont go for 4 sticks = bad for oc


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[SybrCLocK]

well i`m at 2.85 with the vdimm.. thats max.. i need to mod the mobo to get more juice..

thx for the quick reply

[batboy]

To see if it's the RAM, temporarily drop down to a lower ratio. If you are at 1:1, then try 5:4 or if you are at 5:4, then try 3:2.