Thermaltakes newest water cooling thingy...

[flamerail]

http://www.thermaltake.com/watercooling/cl-w0037Volcano4005/cl-w0037.htm
Heat Exchanger...... Any one got this and tried it yet?
Id like to know how bad or good it is... looks internesting.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Enablingwolf/mobofire.jpg

[JoT]

It looks fatally heavy.

[Midnight Dream]

It looks like it would be inhibitive in doing things inside the computer, like wire management....upgrading hardware......putting the side panel on.

[pacman6642]

It looks like it would be inhibitive in doing things inside the computer, like wire management....upgrading hardware......putting the side panel on.

/lol

[jamesavery22]

It looks fatally heavy.

Looks counterintuitive to me. Whole point of water cooling is that water can move the heat from the CPU to a location thats larger than the area directly around the CPU so you can use somethings thats very big and has a lot of surface area to dissipate the heat.

Why in the world would you use water cooling just to place the radiator right above the CPU?? Just use a heatpipe.

[chunkeymunkey25]

Hey, it's TT, no one ever said they had to make any logical sense :p

[Son1990]

^^^^He makes a point hehe :)

[fuzzba11]

Looks counterintuitive to me. Whole point of water cooling is that water can move the heat from the CPU to a location thats larger than the area directly around the CPU so you can use somethings thats very big and has a lot of surface area to dissipate the heat.

Why in the world would you use water cooling just to place the radiator right above the CPU?? Just use a heatpipe.
The water makes the heatsink bigger, effectively, it takes longer for the whole setup to heat up. Doesn't seem like a bad idea, but it's definitely more hybrid air-water than straight watercooling.

[ziggo0]

It looks fatally heavy.

Plus all the water in it...

[I.M.O.G.]

The water makes the heatsink bigger, effectively, it takes longer for the whole setup to heat up. Doesn't seem like a bad idea, but it's definitely more hybrid air-water than straight watercooling.

First, lets clarify what you were trying to state. Second, what you stated is wrong.

First:

You aren't saying that water makes the heatsink bigger, you mean that the thermal capacity of the system is greater, and thus it will take longer to reach equilibrium.

Second:

The time it takes to reach equilibrium doesn't matter. If your PC is idleing and you start playing a game, your temps will reach their max in under ten minutes... So the thermal capacity of your cooling solution is inconsequential, unless you are doing geothermal cooling where tens of gallons are used. In any regular cooling system, and especially one like this, it does not matter. Having more water, or more thermal capacity will not give you lower max temps.

Finally, this IS a bad idea. It's way too heavy. The design just doesn't make sense... the whole idea of water cooling is to transport the heat away from the CPU to a better location with larger surface area where it can be cooled efficiently. This doesn't accomplish that. It's another design from Tt which is irresponsible as it could likely damage your hardware easily if any mistakes are made, and possibly even if there aren't... and its only going to attract people who don't know better, and think they are getting this huge super cooler, when really they are getting something they'll end up dissatisifed with after their temps aren't what they hoped.

[Ciffer]

doesn't look to bad besides the scaffolding required to support it (not included), fins obviously not designed to have huge cooling ability. other then all of that it doesn't look to bad as far as TT products go

[jamesavery22]

And whats the failure rate of that plastic res/pump TT packages with every single of their watercooling products?

[Bugsmasher]

Holy restrictive block Batman!

What the heck is that? A 20 pass rad with exceptionally small flow sections superglued onto a basic CPU waterblock?

While I can actually see the concept of additional radiated heat (assuming you already have decent airflow through the case) being a good thing but.....why? If that thing is nearly as restrictive as it looks then it will be one heckuva flow killer which will further reduce the effectivess of your primary HC/radiator.

*shrug*

wierd...

[dicecca112]

another swing and a miss on thermaltake parts, if I want to rip the socket out of my mobo I'll buy that.

[fuzzba11]

Having more water, or more thermal capacity will not give you lower max temps.
I didn't say it would yield lower max temps, I just meant it might take a few more minutes for load temp to be achieved. Even though it would be a tiny difference with the amount of water, you could still measure it if you were to run the loop dry.

[Ciffer]

looks more like an air conditioner condenser then a computer radiator

[Bugsmasher]

Well, if you are gonna go ahead and rip your socket out do it with style and performance.

Weld a nice PA160 onto a great Storm block and then at least performance should be smoking right up to the point you hear the crack and crunch of the board going....

[Ciffer]

on the positive side, if you to tear out your socket, you can always use that socket as a cpu holder for future lapping projects.

[I.M.O.G.]

I didn't say it would yield lower max temps, I just meant it might take a few more minutes for load temp to be achieved. Even though it would be a tiny difference with the amount of water, you could still measure it if you were to run the loop dry.

Your earlier comments indicated that increased thermal capacity would be good in some way though, thats why I mentioned that max temps would be unaffected. Whether its measureable or not, the effect isn't going to help the cooling in any way that matters. You were saying you thought something about this was a good idea, I was just posting to make it clear that there wasn't anything good about it.

If anyone goes out and gets this, I wouldn't want them to do so because of something they read here, thats all.

[Enablingwolf]

It gives me the impression of exceeding socket limits. The weight of large heatsinks are pushing the limit as is. Add even more wieght(with water) and this compounds the issue. It is up to the makers of the heatsink to be creative not everyone else. Irresponsible designing/manufacturing if you ask me!!! Iam not even specualting on the thermal qualities of it. We know TT has a poor track record of good cooling products. They do hit every so often though. Right now I don't have the data to form an opinion on that apsect. I could take a wild guess and say it will be crap like the majority(not all) of TT products./
BAHahaha!! Here is what I envision..


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Enablingwolf/mobofire.jpg

[JTanczos]

Could you mod that into a normal loop? Low powered 92mm fan cooling the heatsinks in case the pump fails to circulate water to the rad. Backup system?

Other than that it looks like a big waste of metal that some newb will buy for the bling factor.

JT

[JTanczos]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Enablingwolf/mobofire.jpg


LOL!!! I post and come back to find that picture above mine. That is hilarious. :D

JT

[flamerail]

It gives me the impression of exceeding socket limits. The weight of large heatsinks are pushing the limit as is. Add even more wieght(with water) and this compounds the issue. It is up to the makers of the heatsink to be creative not everyone else. Irresponsible designing/manufacturing if you ask me!!! Iam not even specualting on the thermal qualities of it. We know TT has a poor track record of good cooling products. They do hit every so often though. Right now I don't have the data to form an opinion on that apsect. I could take a wild guess and say it will be crap like the majority(not all) of TT products./
BAHahaha!! Here is what I envision..


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Enablingwolf/mobofire.jpg

Im laughing so hard im about to **** myself. It took a second to figure out what the mushroom cloud ment :D

Believe it or not...... that big piece of **** actually works half ass...
http://www.techniz.co.uk/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=270&page=7
Im stunned!

With a 60cfm panaflo on the exchanger that would probly get down to about 27-28 idle..... better than air thoe :)

[I.M.O.G.]

I wouldn't consider that a review - Vince the reviewer, out of the last 100 items he has reviewed, all of them scored a 10/10. After I got to 100, I jumped around, but I believe I found a 9/10 around the 190th search result, but still mostly 10's on everything. He doesn't have very discerning tastes.

Basically, theres no way that thing is only experiencing a 10C change under load while running fanless... If so, he didn't run the test long enough. He said he's running 3dmark and prime, so he obviously doesn't know what he's doing because the instructions are interrupting eachother and giving the CPU a break... He'd be better off to just prime it.

You can also always count on Tt products supplying good comedy in their feature lists, and I quote:

Integrated Radiator
- Joins Heat Source Block and Ambient Heat Exchanger to maximize heat transfer efficiently without evaporation.
- Simplifies installation.
- Heat is removed instantly thanks to the Liquid Loop made out of pure copper tubes.
- Copper Tubing minimizes liquid evaporation.

Y-tube
- accelerates the transferring frequency of liquid flow.

Huh?

[flamerail]

- accelerates the transferring frequency of liquid flow.
MMMMM Sounds so awsome..... whats it mean?
oh!! "- accelerates the transferring frequency of liquid flow." = IT SUCKS EGG. :p

[thorilan]

umn guys that product is mislabled . its not a cpu cooler


its a south bridge cooler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[voigts]

I am trying to figure out if it is a CPU block or some kind of AC condensor! Hey, it might work better with a compressor. Maybe the compressor would fit on top of the heat exchanger assembly.

[Sentential]

Its a nice thought but the implimentation is poor. The tubing needs to be bigger.

[Otter]

Why in the world would you use water cooling just to place the radiator right above the CPU??
Because then you can say your system is watercooled. And everyone knows that's really c:cool::cool:l. Even cooler than an LED fan. :rolleyes:

[Phextwin]

And whats the failure rate of that plastic res/pump TT packages with every single of their watercooling products?Shouldn't be to bad, what with that quoted 50,00hr MTBF :eh?:

[Enablingwolf]

When I was messing with the pic. I noticed all the bends.

Now does that not add to restriction badly? If you were to use a 60MM fan not only will it perform poorly. You would need a really high speed 60MM fan on it, so it would be loud too. 2 strikes IMO. If water is going to be loud, it very well better be a performer.

My vote is junk, and I am not to hip on how good water should be.

[ghettocomp]

No way would I ever use one of those. However, I think it may be sort of OK to use on a flat test bench setup. just for the purpose of benching a particular CPU or Motherboard setup.

[Bad ConNecTioN]

Wow, just WOW

[natewildes]

I would only think about using that thing if my computer was horizontal; too much weight and isolated water.

[flamerail]

also im impressed with there surface...
http://www.thermaltake.com/images/watercooling/Volcano4005/08-1.jpg
If it really is that good then hell there doing better!

[Ciffer]

but that is thermaltake, they tested it in the other room without accuratly viewing it, then heavily padded the numbers. thats what they do, and will always do

Edit: this posted referred to a statement on page 1

[flamerail]

go figure :D