How about a MAC thread???

[Shane!]

We need a place for us mac people who are hard core apple lovers(like me) to discuse Mac Issues like how to tweak the new os X or even how to attempt to overclock a mac!!! (althought i have looked into it and it looks impossible!) Just a thought for a new main thread! What do you think?

[William]

we have one, for hardware go to the General Hardware. For The OS, go to Software and Operating Systems. Should over it.

[Shane!]

dunno260 (Jun 05, 2001 08:50 p.m.):
we have one, for hardware go to the General Hardware. For The OS, go to Software and Operating Systems. Should over it.

but i mean one that is just for macs not general hardware or os....

[sfa ok]

Shane! (Jun 05, 2001 09:05 p.m.):
dunno260 (Jun 05, 2001 08:50 p.m.):
we have one, for hardware go to the General Hardware. For The OS, go to Software and Operating Systems. Should over it.

but i mean one that is just for macs not general hardware or os....

I'm not sure if there's enough mac fans in here for a separate board. This should probably go under "forum issues".

[macky]

I would just like to say it is possible to overclock a mac. it has to be a G3 or a G4, and only then will you be able to get 50mhz more at most. i cant remember how but i read it in one of my dad's copies of Macaddict magazine. thank you come again

[Shane!]

macaddict311 (Jun 05, 2001 09:15 p.m.):
I would just like to say it is possible to overclock a mac. it has to be a G3 or a G4, and only then will you be able to get 50mhz more at most. i cant remember how but i read it in one of my dad's copies of Macaddict magazine. thank you come again

yeah i know you can overclock a mac with alot off effort and by praying to steve jobs you don't mis-solder (how ever you spell that) a resistor. but would you not want a Main Thread to discuss this in???

[macky]

I agree it would be kinda cool to have a Mac thread. just to see what people are up to with their macs and what they accomplish with overclocking and tweaking. I say we put up a vote.

[sfa ok]

macaddict311 (Jun 05, 2001 09:15 p.m.):
I would just like to say it is possible to overclock a mac. it has to be a G3 or a G4, and only then will you be able to get 50mhz more at most. i cant remember how but i read it in one of my dad's copies of Macaddict magazine. thank you come again

Mac overclocking resources (http://www.jersey.net/~kenl/maxoc/mac_overclocking/mac_oc.html)

[William]

the problem is there isn't that much interest at all in Macs here to warrant a special thread. We already have enough, and maybe one more if the FAQ team effort is getting one too. The posts for Macs are few and far between and the current threads we have cover that in the OS category and the General Hardware category. I can see why you would want this, but we don't have seperate threads for Linux and Windows, which btw both have many many more posts about. I really think we have this covered well with our current forums/threads.

*Modify* Anyways, for this to happen you will have to wait for the new forums. Skip is way too busy to add another topic to this.

[Shane!]

dunno260 (Jun 05, 2001 09:27 p.m.):
the problem is there isn't that much interest at all in Macs here to warrant a special thread. We already have enough, and maybe one more if the FAQ team effort is getting one too. The posts for Macs are few and far between and the current threads we have cover that in the OS category and the General Hardware category. I can see why you would want this, but we don't have seperate threads for Linux and Windows, which btw both have many many more posts about. I really think we have this covered well with our current forums/threads.

*Modify* Anyways, for this to happen you will have to wait for the new forums. Skip is way too busy to add another topic to this.

Hey man that is why we need a new main thread!!! so the few mac people that there are (if this is true) can find each other easily!! ans so people who want to learn about the mac can easily. Plus i am not willing to listen to any of dunno260's comments on macs for as long as i have know him he has hated the machines with a unwarented zeal.

[Daniel ~]

Shane! (Jun 05, 2001 08:47 p.m.):
We need a place for us mac people who are hard core apple lovers(like me) to discuse Mac Issues like how to tweak the new os X or even how to attempt to overclock a mac!!! (althought i have looked into it and it looks impossible!) Just a thought for a new main thread! What do you think?

Moved post to "Forum comments and suggestions."
We are planing an alternative OS Topic. If you can get enough support we will consider a Mac Topic.

[William]

just cause I hate apple doesn't meen I am opposed to a new mac thread right of the bat. If I hated them so much wouldn't I want to "quarantine" the filth into their own area? It is hard enough to browse the topics now as the list is already quite long, adding more just makes things harder, especially to find them, IMO.

[Shane!]

dunno260 (Jun 05, 2001 09:35 p.m.):
just cause I hate apple doesn't meen I am opposed to a new mac thread right of the bat. If I hated them so much wouldn't I want to "quarantine" the filth into their own area? It is hard enough to browse the topics now as the list is already quite long, adding more just makes things harder, especially to find them, IMO.


Ah ha the hate bubles forth!!! why don't we all just burn Apple Flags and hail to microsoft with dunno260!!!

[dozier768]

hmm why the heck would anyone love an inferior chip?
"why drive a ford when chevy's make the hoarse power lol"

apples make good snacks

[William]

who said anything about hailing Microsoft, maybe one day i will finally write that thing on why Microsoft really is better than apple. Not that I really love MSFT or anything.

[stool]

Keep this up, and Daniel will have to move this to "Debates"

[Thelemac]

stool (Jun 05, 2001 10:11 p.m.):
Keep this up, and Daniel will have to move this to "Debates"

Now that is really the Mac board...

Do you really think that there would be a single post about Macs that would would have the solution of "buy a real computer, ditch that calculator"? Which would, of course, degenerate into a debate.

Don't get me wrong, this forum is almost invulnerable to flaming and senseless debates, but I have seen a few of them, and Macs were at the center every time. Somethings are just held to near and dear to a computer lovers heart.

[William]

hey I wanted to avoid the debate too, prejudices aside, if enough people want it then it should be added, but I doubt there are that many mac people on the board judging by the extremely infrequent Mac postings here.

[Daniel ~]

dunno260 (Jun 05, 2001 11:35 p.m.):
hey I wanted to avoid the debate too, prejudices aside, if enough people want it then it should be added, but I doubt there are that many mac people on the board judging by the extremely infrequent Mac postings here.

And if there were I'm certain they would feel quite comfortable posting their desire here, right guys? LOL

No offence, but I love the idea of a Mac Topic, if it's used great, if not......, says it all don't it..........Ok I have a somewhat cruel sense of humor some times":O}

[asmodean]

Just to add my post, this is the first post I've seen about Macs.

They remind me of eMachines... lol.
They look somewhat nicer, but I still prefer my beige case (soon black)...
And the MacOS (su)X looks nifty.

If there's enough support for a Mac Topic... Sure, why not. I'm not against it, just that there would be like 4 posts (incl. replies) or so in a week.

[David]

In my opinion, Macs suck...badly

You can barely overclock them, they are so closed source it makes Windows look like a version of Linux, and they dont have any decent games.

Their only advantage is that they are good for DTP or for beginners.

Macs are about as upgradable as a fridge. You just replace them with a newer *faster* and more expensive one.

Unless u are an engineering genius. Out of about 3000? active members, who is going to be that good?

Seeing as this is Overclocking forum, a Mac section is pointless.

PLus, I hate them

GO LINUX

[Shane!]

penguinfreak (Jun 06, 2001 08:27 a.m.):
In my opinion, Macs suck...badly

You can barely overclock them, they are so closed source it makes Windows look like a version of Linux, and they dont have any decent games.

Their only advantage is that they are good for DTP or for beginners.

Macs are about as upgradable as a fridge. You just replace them with a newer *faster* and more expensive one.

Unless u are an engineering genius. Out of about 3000? active members, who is going to be that good?

Seeing as this is Overclocking forum, a Mac section is pointless.

PLus, I hate them

GO LINUX

my friend why are so angry toward something you know nothing about? Mac can be overclocked but why would onbe want to do that when my tbird oc @ 1400 still does not complete a seti at home work unit faster than my 450 G4 PowerMac. The new Max os X root is Unix of which linux also is rooted from. And they are upgradeable i have 5 pci slots 5 ram slots and in my computer i add 2 new Hard drives cause i wanted a partion for my os 9.1 and more room for my movie editing. Final Cut Pro (a apple Product) is the best movie making software out there and i love it! also there are plenty of games i have rouge spear and starcraft and total annihilation and Master of Orion II along with some mac only games like the space adventure game Escape Velocity ect. Now why would you not want a mac only forum so we could educate the misguided...not to change their platform but to show them there is another side beside microsoft and it has 5 percent of the market share unlike and Unix os!

[dozier768]

hmm i suppose "THE REAL REASON" that i dispise Macintosh is because of the whole "think different" crap wqhich i might add is merely a ploy to get all the tree huggin' burkenstock wearin' environmental extremest and nonothing's. dont get me wrong the G4 has some impressive mathmatic functions built into it but they are fairly specialized. and whats the all the show about? i dont give a crap if the tin "or plastic"around my mobo is translucent or shiny or shaped like a CUBE. all i care about is price performance and my hobbies game's and overclocking. all of woch macintosh's numbers are mediocre. the g4 claims as high as 4 gigaflops on less than 5 functions and more like 1 for the rest my 60 dollar duron beats that. seems pointless to buy a 2,000 dollar plus machine that performs like a low end AMD for 1/4 the cost and better yet i can build it its fun. and dont blame x86 proccesing for the fact that it is slower on seti blame windows. i bet if u ran with linux your mac would loose

[Shane!]

and the hostility grows...

[dozier768]

ahe he naw im not hostile at all just speaking my mind

[asmodean]

Well, MacOS X runs on unix. It doesn't have a unix kernel itself. It's like running linux as a process in a different OS.

[William]

Hmm, just ran a search looking for Mac threads to see how many there are

1 In General Discussion
2 in Cooling
1 In General Hardware
1 in Soft and OS

This is all I found looking for various keywords in the subject field such as Apple, Mac, OS X, G4, etc. I am sure there are a few more, but this really shows how little interest there is here in the forums, so I don't see why it needs its own thread. Even the ill posted in debates section has many more posts. I do feel there is a need for the alternative OS topic, which is a nice section that he macs can fit into. But I still don't see a need to have a Mac only section seeing as how there is such little interest.

[Shane!]

i guess i need to go to another forum if i want to learn and discuss topics with a open and welcoming group of individuals that don't bash macs because they are different... and btw the darwin kernal (aka the os x heart) is based on unix like red hats or suse's kernal, all 3 of which are open source. you can run with out the GUI called aqua in command line mode you just have to know how... therefore we can see that os x's unix roots is not a process in the mac os... the os x's kernal darwin is the mac os!!!!! god some people...... (this is why you need a mac forum, you guys think you know the mac but in reality you don't know the mac...)

[UnseenMenace]

I must confess to having the occassional G4 Mac in my house (when my father brings one home from work) however I dont believe there would be a demand for information as mac owners appear to buy them for different reasons to PC owners..
The mac in my opinion is very stable, better looking and in general better quality than the PC... however it is the lack of cheap components and a upgrade path that keeps the PC as the major platform. The competition for mac products is not as diverse as for the pc which although keeping quality high also keeps costs high.. For example how many motherboards can be brought for a G4 that are not manufactured by Apple?

This forum is basically used to discuss options and unfortunately due to cost considerations, the lack of cheap and available components and future upgrade potential the mac is not a viable option for me and many other people, I therefore believe that the people interested in overclocking the mac would be exceptionally minimal and therefore can fit in with the current forum layout.

[William]

noone ever said we aren't open to ideas, quite to the contrary. If you really really want us to hold a vote on it, it will be done. You will have to wait for the new forums however. What I was pointing out is that there just isn't the interest for this in the forums. I have not made one remark about the computers themselves. What you are suggesting is kinda like us having a Cyrix thread(speaking about pieces of junk, nothing is worse than these), there just isn't the interest here to justify it, especially when the current setup we hvae covers the topics. If you can drum up the interest, then it will be done. You posted the idea, now you get to have it picked apart ;D .

[sfa ok]

My Mactacular opinion:
iMac = bad
iBook = bad
Powerbook = OK, if it isn't Ti
G4 = good

I usually prefer PCs, but I will admit that Macs do serve their purpose. I can only tolerate G4s for the most part. They're good for audio and image editing, but otherwise are equal or lesser to PCs. Macs are amazing with audio, especially with some really expensive Digidesign hardware. ;D

[William]

Macs do have a legitamate purpose in the video and image area, but not much else. There was a funny retort I heard about three years ago in this classic debate

Shane(yes the same one) "Macs have their place!"

Joe Someone(protect the innocent) "Yeah, in the trash can"

Thought that was pretty funny. Well anyways, drifting away from the original intent of the post.

[stool]

Shane, I feel for you, brother. It must be hell trying to defend a machine no one else cares about. Perhaps if you are successful in your effort, more Mac users will show up, and some real interesting debates will start.

[William]

yes, I am all for more debates, those are real stress relievers, and I don't actually hate macs that much, I have more of an apathy towards them, just do it to chide shane. If you can drum up the support for this, its all yours. Maybe Shane can become Mac leader of the forums. I dunno.

[William]

Actually Microsoft is an older company, not sure of the dates, but Microsoft was established with the Altair generation which came before the Apple I which is when Apple was founded. And Apple has withstood the test time, there aren't many companies around from when them and Microsoft started, and frankly, it is a miracle that Apple has survived especially when they had people like Jean Louis Gasse(now heads Be Inc.) literally driving the company into the ground. Apples demand has largely been based on a single customer base, althought the I-Mac has expanded it somewhat. Every Mac person I know of has more than one apple, usually three or more throughout there use of computers, that is dedication not seen anywhere in the pc industry. You rarely see devotion like this in any industry.

IMO, Apple does not make the attempts it should to blast out of its little cacoon of users. The same core that keeps Apple alive is also the same core that is keeping apple from expanding out and becoming a driving force in teh pc market. Apple users are totally against licsensing their computers for manufactor(they tried it a while back in the mid-90s, the ceo got axed for it) because it would ruin the purity of the mac system. The loose sight of the fact that Apple would only make money from that as the liscensing deals would bring in much more revenue than just selling hardware and lower prices so that many people could even think of owning a mac. And the list just flows from there on the mistakes they have made. The biggest one is letting Jobs run the company, he is not a businessman, and should instead be a visionary, not the CEO. I admit, he is the most charismatic individual in the industry, heck, i enjoy watching him, but his business skills are not up to par with say Amelio who was a great apple ceo and got axed when times were tough.

But back to the topic at hand. I think if there was the interest at this forum to warrant a topic, it would be added, but i just don't see it. There are very very few posts on this forum that even mention anything related to apple in them. Like I said earlier, adding a mac thread would be kinda like a Cyrix thread here at OC.com, very few people would venture there. Now i realize comparing Cyrix and Apple is quite harsh, it is the only example I can think of that has a similar amount of interest here.

BTW, if you want to debate this issure further, I am starting a thread in the debates section so we can do this in the right place. I know Skip and Dan know about this now, so there is little else we can do now.

[Shane!]

Mac Thread Here we come!!! ahhh i think i would love to be the leader being a hard core mac lover sence 1983!!!!

[Murphy]

stool (Jun 06, 2001 11:38 p.m.):
Shane, I feel for you, brother. It must be hell trying to defend a machine no one else cares about. Perhaps if you are successful in your effort, more Mac users will show up, and some real interesting debates will start.

Ok, let's get it all together: there aren't many mac fans around, but a mac-forum is wanted. I don't think that because this forum will close soon we should not try. Why keep on quarreling over it, don't think it will solve the problem.

I say we just open up a forum 'mac related' and see what happens. If it's nothing, it will die with the forum switch, if it's a success, keep it. Concentrating mac related stuff makes it more easily accessible for interested members. Like Dunno pointed out, it's now all spread around the forum, not very efficient.

Daniel, could you consider this an option? I think it also depends on how much stress there is with the new forum, just see for yourselves. I know Skip and you are very busy lately.

I don't know mac's very well, but there is a big chance I have to work with them very soon. So I would like a place to hang around for mac relatedz.

[Shane!]

i agree we should try it out soon. i would love to help any way i can. just let me know!

[William]

skip doesn't have the time to add a thread right now, we are about a month(fingers crossed) from the new forums, and Skip his working his arse off on the new forums right now.

[skip]

Did a search on the logs. 631 total "hits" from varying versions of the Mac OS. This is out of a total of 834260 "Hits" for the same time period. With the Alternative OS topic being crated, I thing that will be a good place for MacOS discussions and General Hardware for the Apple hardware. Until the traffic warrants a seperate topic, No Go.

This is not the Topic to wage a Mac - PC war and I will close the topic if it keeps up. To a Mac User, the Mac is the best, to a PC User, the PC is the best. They both have their good and bad points. It's a never ending debate that will never be won.

Let's all just get along!!!

[Morpheus]

ooopsss... looks like I need to start posting in the forums with my G3 or G4....

I usually use my OC rigs... because... it just seems PC (for Politically Correct... LOL)...

Still, I would like to see an OC spot for MACs... I would sacarfice my G3-350 for the possibility a moderate OC....

Kris

[David]

we use macs at the school here. They crash about twice per day, and they cant be left running for more than a couple of hours without crashing or freezing. They are slow, very slow.

[Daniel ~]

Once we setup in the new forums, and we had a chance to see how well the "Alternative OS" and the "General Hardware" fulfill the Macattack needs, if you like, we can reconsider the possibly of a "MacTopic".

[Daniel ~]

Maestro (Jun 16, 2001 09:05 p.m.):
How interesting you keep logs of posts by OS :)

Maestro

Just logs of posts "Concerning" a given topic.

[William]

skip (Jun 08, 2001 02:35 p.m.):
Let's all just get along!!!

If it were just that easy. Sigh.

[skip]

Maestro (Jun 16, 2001 09:05 p.m.):
How interesting you keep logs of posts by OS :)

Maestro

OS, Browser version, IP address. Any decent web server will have this info in the logs.

[skip]

Daniel ~ (Jun 21, 2001 09:29 p.m.):
Maestro (Jun 16, 2001 09:05 p.m.):
How interesting you keep logs of posts by OS :)

Maestro

Just logs of posts "Concerning" a given topic.

Nope, that's how many hits to the forums by that OS. It's really interesting to see what people are using. I'll screenshot the stats page and post it sometime.

[skip]

This is month to date. Macs are on the rise.

====================================

Browser Hits Percent Graph
Browsers report

AOL Browser 3 1 0.00%
JAVA 1 0.00%
Netscape Navigator 5 0.00%
Opera 3 5 0.00%
Opera 4 5 0.00%
Lynx 15 0.01%
OmniWeb 24 0.02%
MS Internet Explorer 3 29 0.03%
Netscape Navigator 3 45 0.04%
WebTV 68 0.06%
AOL Browser 4 77 0.07%
Mozilla Compatible Browser 130 0.12%
Spider/Robot 501 0.47%
Netscape Navigator 5 535 0.51%
Opera 5 1304 1.23%
AOL Browser 5 1460 1.38%
MS Internet Explorer 4 2205 2.09%
AOL Browser 6 2580 2.44%
Netscape Navigator 4 5234 4.96%
MS Internet Explorer 6 9170 8.68%
MS Internet Explorer 5 82230 77.85%



Platform Hits Percent Graph
Platforms report

OS/2 5 0.00%
UNIX (FreeBSD) 5 0.00%
UNIX (OSF1) 10 0.01%
UNIX (HP-UX) 14 0.01%
UNIX (IRIX) 21 0.02%
Macintosh 68K 55 0.05%
WebTV 68 0.06%
UNIX 93 0.09%
Windows 3.1 97 0.09%
UNIX (AIX) 202 0.19%
UNIX (SunOS) 355 0.34%
UNIX (Linux) 422 0.40%
Windows 518 0.49%
Unknown Platform 558 0.53%
Macintosh PowerPC 693 0.66%
Windows NT 4 2326 2.20%
Windows 95 4215 3.99%
Windows NT 4461 4.22%
Windows 2000 23286 22.05%
Windows 98 68222 64.59%

[Daniel ~]

skip (Jun 22, 2001 08:07 a.m.):
Daniel ~ (Jun 21, 2001 09:29 p.m.):
Maestro (Jun 16, 2001 09:05 p.m.):
How interesting you keep logs of posts by OS :)

Maestro

Just logs of posts "Concerning" a given topic.

Nope, that's how many hits to the forums by that OS. It's really interesting to see what people are using. I'll screenshot the stats page and post it sometime.

Ship, You never cease to ASTONISH me! You say all good web servers do this? The things a guy doesn't know,.......

[rugby]

Skip,
Those Mac ones are probably me for most of them since my PC was conked out for a couple of weeks. I am probably a bigger Mac guy than Shane ( I manage 700+ Macs, 5 lans, 1 wan, and just set up 2 brand spanking new OS X servers web/email and file) I've even applied for jobs at Apple itself, although they don't hire much in Chicago except edu reps and sales people. I'm a networking guy at heart so unless I move to California there isn't much here at Apple.

Anyways, I just don't think there's much overclocking potential with Macs. I hate to say it, but my G4/400 could maybe possibly hit 450 with some luck. I'm not really keen on soldering my motherboard any more than I have to, although I did do a voltage mod on my Kt7a. I do some DV work and some audio work and like my G4 more for that. When I do fun and exciting telnet stuff and websurfing and crap like that I use my Tbird@1450. The web moves much faster at the higher speed, or at least that's what Intel always said :).

I guess my point is this, I wouldn't have any problem posting Mac related stuff here, but we could obviously find a place in the categories already here. Skip and Daniel and now SHadow don't need more places to patrol, and if you're in need of a great mac resource here's one I used to do some work for: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com

Cheers and let's keep the hostilities to a bare minimum....

[dozier768]

man will this thread ever die?

[Jon]

One thread only needed for all Mac questions, problems, etc. :

(1)Remove all cables from Mac.
(2)Grab Mac from both sides with both hands.
(3)Be careful not to injure your back. :]
(4)Walk, with the Mac, to the nearest window.
(5)Toss Mac out of window.
(6)Go get a real PC.

[sfa ok]

Throwing stuff out of a window isn't destructive enough. To destroy my Mac (given to me by my school ;D ) I took a axe to it and a monitor. Fun. I still have respect for G4's, not as much, though because ours started being stupid (I don't feel like giving details). I want a plutonium powerbook.

[William]

sfa ok (Jul 02, 2001 11:05 p.m.):
Throwing stuff out of a window isn't destructive enough. To destroy my Mac (given to me by my school ;D ) I took a axe to it and a monitor. Fun. I still have respect for G4's, not as much, though because ours started being stupid (I don't feel like giving details). I want a plutonium powerbook.

ooh where can i get a plutonium powerbook??? Sounds like i could actually give a mac a proper funeral!

[Sir-Epix]

William (Jun 07, 2001 04:55 a.m.):
Actually Microsoft is an older company, not sure of the dates, but Microsoft was established with the Altair generation which came before the Apple I which is when Apple was founded. And Apple has withstood the test time, there aren't many companies around from when them and Microsoft started, and frankly, it is a miracle that Apple has survived especially when they had people like Jean Louis Gasse(now heads Be Inc.) literally driving the company into the ground. Apples demand has largely been based on a single customer base, althought the I-Mac has expanded it somewhat. Every Mac person I know of has more than one apple, usually three or more throughout there use of computers, that is dedication not seen anywhere in the pc industry. You rarely see devotion like this in any industry.

IMO, Apple does not make the attempts it should to blast out of its little cacoon of users. The same core that keeps Apple alive is also the same core that is keeping apple from expanding out and becoming a driving force in teh pc market. Apple users are totally against licsensing their computers for manufactor(they tried it a while back in the mid-90s, the ceo got axed for it) because it would ruin the purity of the mac system. The loose sight of the fact that Apple would only make money from that as the liscensing deals would bring in much more revenue than just selling hardware and lower prices so that many people could even think of owning a mac. And the list just flows from there on the mistakes they have made. The biggest one is letting Jobs run the company, he is not a businessman, and should instead be a visionary, not the CEO. I admit, he is the most charismatic individual in the industry, heck, i enjoy watching him, but his business skills are not up to par with say Amelio who was a great apple ceo and got axed when times were tough.

But back to the topic at hand. I think if there was the interest at this forum to warrant a topic, it would be added, but i just don't see it. There are very very few posts on this forum that even mention anything related to apple in them. Like I said earlier, adding a mac thread would be kinda like a Cyrix thread here at OC.com, very few people would venture there. Now i realize comparing Cyrix and Apple is quite harsh, it is the only example I can think of that has a similar amount of interest here.

BTW, if you want to debate this issure further, I am starting a thread in the debates section so we can do this in the right place. I know Skip and Dan know about this now, so there is little else we can do now.

In response to this...Microsoft is not and NEVER will be older then apple. However you are part right...Bill Gates who owns Microsoft worked with the Altair computers as a programmer. He later quit that and formed Microsoft. And here is another fact for you...windows was a rip off of LISA's (An apple computer) graphical interface operating system. The computer was called LISA after Jobs daughter.

[William]

yes windows was a rip because job had hired MSFT to develop the office software for it. But MSFT is older than Apple. You can actually trace the comapny into the 60s when gates and Allen made Traffic recording computers under the Company name Traf-O-Data. They later changed the name of the company to Micro-Soft and then to Microsoft. This from page 54 of the book Fire in the Valley. All my info comes from a plethera of books about all the different companies in the early days. Fire in the Valley is a great book and one everyone who has any interest in how the pc revolution began. It is very unbiased than a bunch of the books I have read(especially some of the MSFT books).

[Gerst240]

Originally posted by dozier768
hmm why the heck would anyone love an inferior chip?
"why drive a ford when chevy's make the hoarse power lol"

apples make good snacks


well seems your very wrong why drive a chevy or a ford when you can drive a bmw that will eat both of them

[Thelemac]

Originally posted by Gerst240



well seems your very wrong why drive a chevy or a ford when you can drive a bmw that will eat both of them

What is this, an anneversary bump?

[masitti]

Originally posted by Thelemac


What is this, an anneversary bump?

lol, looks like it.

[flaming gerbil]

would should have a mac thread. i'm a pc fan myself but to each his own and i'm interested in all computer technology. to be fair we use dual 800 g4's at school and they are pretty good. not quite as fast as my 2.0 ghz p4, but it holds it own. it is very stable. first off why do pc people say "well yeah they are good for video and audio editing" as if this is nothing. that is probably the most intensive test of a computer you can give. also apple is evil just like microsoft. for example they just bought logic audio which next to pro-tools is probably the most widely used audio editor. they also announced logic will no longer support pc's so the people who dropped 500 on it six months ago will no longer get upgrades and patches. logic has been on pc for about 15 years. that is microsoft evil.

[dozier768]

Originally posted by Gerst240



well seems your very wrong why drive a chevy or a ford when you can drive a bmw that will eat both of them

Buahaha! omg thats funny