View Full Version : How to unlock the XP cpu's?
I have read that using trace tape is best.
I have never used trace tape and dont even know where to buy it.
Anyone know where to buy this stuff or have a easier or better way to unlock these xp cpu's?
WillysNut
10-15-01, 05:25 PM
Hope you've got some REALLY small pliers! Found a link here (http://www.plycon.com/trace.htm). It's going to be very interesting to sit back for a little while and see what everyone has the best luck w/.
I think trace tape might work but it looks like the process of getting down to the bridges has to be good..ie..flat so the tape contacts both ends. Keep us posted!
Reading the "mini-review". and seeing the metal at the bottom of the pits, I gotta wonder:
Could the pencil - defoger paint - trace pen ink be SHORTING something out?
At least enough to signal an unlock attempt, and foil it?
The trace tape should work, though, as should filling the pit with non-conductive paint, then "conect-the-dots".
Or am I all wet?
:rolleyes:
And why the heck is AMD making it HARDER?
Are they selling too many CPU's lately?
:eek:
I dont have a xp cpu yet but am considering purchasing one but I dont want to be stuck with a locked cpu or have to take alot of risk in unlocking it.
I thought amd stopped cutting the bridges because it reduced the number of saleable cpu's :(
stereo555
10-15-01, 07:05 PM
Trace tape INSTOCK here... http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?category=Accessories But..... I did e-mail fronzencpu and they said they would have special "XP trace tape " soon ! :)
Tape or window defroster repair kits seem to work best, but unfortunately unlocking apparently only opens up 11 as another option - not the full range.
Originally posted by arklab
And why the heck is AMD making it HARDER?
Are they selling too many CPU's lately?
:eek:
I'd say they are getting to many RMA's on there chips and they have eployees who have read how to oc and how to con the manufacturer into paying for something you've broken. So they've decided to make it almost impossable to overclock the multiplier without them finding out so they wount have to eat others mistakes. Profit is good thing!!
Originally posted by stereo555
Trace tape INSTOCK here... http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?category=Accessories But..... I did e-mail fronzencpu and they said they would have special "XP trace tape " soon ! :)
Thanks for the link, I think I will wait a while and see what others figure out and maybe get more options than default or X 11.
The price can only go down.
Just guessing I'd say maybe they didn't do it on purpose, but perhaps it's just a result of the new packaging being more easily burned away by the laser, versus the ceramic package holding up better to the laser.
I've been all over the place, looking for info on this subject.
Ther's a guy over at Anandtech, that got all of the multi's working, with defogger paint.
If you go to the front page here, and scroll way down to the original article posted by Ed, there's a link to the thread over there...
Hmmm...Mighta been the first article about the AMD giveaway in SF...can't remember...I'll go look...=)
**edit** I stand corrected..lol The thread was at Icrontic...
http://www.icronticforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14019
SickBoy
10-15-01, 11:07 PM
Everyone here is forgetting that the AthlonMP is virtually the same processor and is unlocked just like a TBird.....
Originally posted by SickBoy
Everyone here is forgetting that the AthlonMP is virtually the same processor and is unlocked just like a TBird.....
True, but there's five bridges, and that "trench" to contend with....
Originally posted by SickBoy
Everyone here is forgetting that the AthlonMP is virtually the same processor and is unlocked just like a TBird.....
So the XP is designed for multi tasking and multi processor systems also?
Originally posted by Placid
I dont have a xp cpu yet but am considering purchasing one but I dont want to be stuck with a locked cpu or have to take alot of risk in unlocking it.
I thought amd stopped cutting the bridges because it reduced the number of saleable cpu's :(
That's why I haven't considered the xp's yet. I want to make sure I can unlock it, no problems.
Christoph
10-16-01, 12:23 AM
You'd think that from the name. (Of course you'd also think that the 1800 was 1800 mHz from the name.)
Originally posted by jbslow
So the XP is designed for multi tasking and multi processor systems also?
Multi tasking yes - multi processor not looking good. From what I've experienced and read so far it appears AMD is disabling something that prevents or doesn't allow proper multi-cpu support on the XP. Yes it's the Palomino core, but it seems they're doing something. I think they want to charge more for MP's that will work properly in SMP. Many people are having problems trying to run XP's with the Tyan thunder and tiger. Some can't boot at all, others can post but it hangs. In my case it boots into windows fine, but sisoft benchmarks are extremely low - indicating some sort of problem. This is still a story in progress, so don't give up yet.
stroligo
10-16-01, 02:58 AM
After Joe and I fought with conductive ink all day, using magnifying glasses to the point where it became part of our apparel if not eyeballs, unless you're into this for the raw challenge, I'd say stay away at least until an easier approach comes along. This is a PITA.
Filling up the trenches is no big deal; it's getting the ink up above that to make a connection with the top that's a real pain; it's like getting water to flow uphill. The stuff goes everywhere but where you want it to go, and even when you think you got it right, it didn't work (at least not for us).
Apparently, Thoroughbred will be out 1Q '02. It may be a better idea for those who have to watch their money to wait for that.
These chips don't seem to overclock all that much; unless you're going to go hardcore with voltage mods and industrial cooling. 1.7Ghz-ish if even that seems to be the chip's limit.
That really stinks! I just don't understand AMD's direction on digging out the L1's. If you ask me, it's going to turn away a lot of overclockers. Well maybe not all. Don't get me wrong I love any challenges thrown my way, but this is ridiculous.
I'm thinking a more solid material than liquid ink would work okay. The defogger repair kit was very nice to use on my Duron and some careful work with a toothpick or needle would fill in the trenches and bridge the L1's nicely.
Do you only have to fill in the pits, or do you fill the pits and try to connect the the L1 dots? :confused:
Originally posted by stroligo
Apparently, Thoroughbred will be out 1Q '02. It may be a better idea for those who have to watch their money to wait for that.
I'm just afraid that they might do the same with the Thoroughbred, if not something harder to get around.
Originally posted by Alex99
I'm just afraid that they might do the same with the Thoroughbred, if not something harder to get around.
They will be shooting themselves in the foot if they do it again. I feel that they did it with the xp's!
Pitspawn
10-16-01, 04:45 PM
Unfortunately, they have a good reason for doing it. Even if AMD were to completely remove Multiplier adjustments, would you think about converting over to Intel? NO. You would still buy AMD because you can FSB overclock and AMD rigs are on the whole cheaper to run.
It can go either way IMO. I honestly think that AMD should have each chip tested and have a special seal/tab. Once removed that tab cannot be put back onto the cpu and the multiplier is unlocked BUT the warrenty is void.
Please note I said each chip should be tested. It would not be a good idea for the warrenty to void if the chip dies through natural causes after only 2-3months.
Christoph
10-16-01, 05:42 PM
Sounds like it might be expensive to test each CPU, but that's AMD's worry.
What about avoiding the pits altogether by going the lonjg way around? If you have something with a low enough resistance, wouldn't that be easier than filling in the holes and trying to draw over the filler?
I think I'm going to go for the unlock tonight: I have a defogger kit and tape- if I can just get my hand to stop shaking;)
drink half a beer will settle you down before you begin.
Originally posted by IdeaMagnate
Sounds like it might be expensive to test each CPU, but that's AMD's worry.
What about avoiding the pits altogether by going the lonjg way around? If you have something with a low enough resistance, wouldn't that be easier than filling in the holes and trying to draw over the filler?
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Sounds like it might be a good idea.
stereo555
10-16-01, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by rogerdugans
I think I'm going to go for the unlock tonight: I have a defogger kit and tape- if I can just get my hand to stop shaking;) Best of luck with the "unlocking" !!! Hope it goes as planned ...... cause my 1700+ arrives this week and I'll be looking to do the SAME (with defogger kit) . **** Steady...... steady....... (with that hand) . :eek:
tbirdkiri
10-16-01, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by jbslow
So the XP is designed for multi tasking and multi processor systems also?
once again directly from a source from within AMD.
XP's and MP's are identical other than 1. there being unlocked 2. there being tested for stability under smp conditions.
ALSO,
they did trench on the xp's so that the pencil trick would no longer work so if people wanted to unlock the chips THAT badly they would have to do it correctly and not destroy the cpu.
the MP's are unlocked because mostlikey a person isnt gonna drop 250 bux on a chip to oc it but if you wanted to you could.
This is an odd observation,
they lock the xp's so people dont fry there chips as redely,
so they dont have to puchase a new one,
but they dont care if you fry an mp cause your gonna want to buy another.....
you could fill the trenches w/ some lightweight auto body filler (bondo), then draw your paint/ink/pencil lines over that.
killem1x1
10-16-01, 09:49 PM
I've had my XP1800+ for a few days, and I must say it's an awesome chip, except ofcourse for the multi lock.
I've attached a pic showing where I'm at right now, my nic is holding me back on my FSB, and I need the multi bad!!, My Seti times have increased sooo much it's flawless. I've neve used the "defogger, but I bought 2 different kinds today, I've got a locked Duron to practice on.
My question is this:
Does it matter what you use to fill the trenches? I mean why couldn't you just take a very small section of solder, and connect the dots, then cover it with a piece of tape?
I hope I don't sound dumb, but just wondering?
Originally posted by tbirdkiri
once again directly from a source from within AMD.
XP's and MP's are identical other than 1. there being unlocked 2. there being tested for stability under smp conditions.
ALSO,
they did trench on the xp's so that the pencil trick would no longer work so if people wanted to unlock the chips THAT badly they would have to do it correctly and not destroy the cpu.
the MP's are unlocked because mostlikey a person isnt gonna drop 250 bux on a chip to oc it but if you wanted to you could.
This is an odd observation,
they lock the xp's so people dont fry there chips as redely,
so they dont have to puchase a new one,
but they dont care if you fry an mp cause your gonna want to buy another.....
I thought I read that the xp's also are made of a different compound and they run cooler than the mp's because of that.
Is that wrong?
Originally posted by killem1x1
I've had my XP1800+ for a few days, and I must say it's an awesome chip, except ofcourse for the multi lock.
I've attached a pic showing where I'm at right now, my nic is holding me back on my FSB, and I need the multi bad!!, My Seti times have increased sooo much it's flawless. I've neve used the "defogger, but I bought 2 different kinds today, I've got a locked Duron to practice on.
My question is this:
Does it matter what you use to fill the trenches? I mean why couldn't you just take a very small section of solder, and connect the dots, then cover it with a piece of tape?
I hope I don't sound dumb, but just wondering?
Do the trenches have sides?
If so can you connect the dots around the trenches as someone else suggested?
killem1x1
10-16-01, 10:19 PM
I would think so. I can't understand why trace tape wouldn't work? I see everyone using defogger, so it would seem that tape is out of the question, but why?
My temp under load is 95f, 95 freakin degrees, I can't believe it, man I need to get this thing unlocked, it has sooo much potential!
I decided to go for it tonight: I still have compound left over from unlocking my 1000 so............................
SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!
1st boot, stock, no problems, so reboot.
2nd try 12x, into Win98 ran sandra cpu bench, fine.
3rd boot: 1.67Ghz. YAY!!!!!!!!!
More to follow!!!
I found a new article on athlonoc.com seems they recommend using coductive ink for unlocking and some overclocking results a good read.
http://www.athlonoc.com/xpoc_1.php
Christoph
10-17-01, 12:45 AM
Could someone try going around the pits the long way (kinda like a circuit board) with conductive ink? If it worked, it'd save many an OCer much time and stress.
I did the conductive pen trick on my XP 1600+. It failed and fried the cpu.
Scotch tape makes a wonderful guide for laying down conductive ink. Lay it down on both sides of each bridge and its easy. Its best if the ink is a little thick so that it doesn't run under the tape. Pull it up after the ink has dried a little bit, but not all the way, then you won't pull up the whole chunk of ink....
It promply shorted out the copper connectors below, so this is a potential probelm.
I plan to, as someone else sugested as well, use bondo to fill in the burn areas, and then use the conductive ink on my next one ;)
I don't know if this is a probelm more folks will run into, but I did a superb job with connecting the L1s and it died....damn.
dew.
The only problem w/ the autobody filler, is that you couldn't get it out. So if you didn't do it right the first time, you're SOL.
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