how good is patriot extreme ddr2 4200? 3-2-2-4?

[EternalX]

I am planning on getting a new 955 series motherboard and running a dual core pentium d. I saw this ram at Fry's electronics, and was wondering how well it would do or if anyone had previous exprerience with it? It is patriot extreme XBL pc4200 ddr2 ram. It says it will do 3-2-2-4 timings, which is extremely good. I know there is mushkin EB ram that will timings like that, im wondering if they use the same kind of chips? I also heard that HIGH performance ddr2 ram is going to dry up due to micron. Should i get this ram while it lasts??? I can get a 1GB stick for 99.99 on Outpost, or 129.90 in the store. Im thinking i should jump on it.

[dicecca112]

for thos timings it looks like to me its a good deal

[ochungry]

I am planning on getting a new 955 series motherboard and running a dual core pentium d. I saw this ram at Fry's electronics, and was wondering how well it would do or if anyone had previous exprerience with it? It is patriot extreme XBL pc4200 ddr2 ram. It says it will do 3-2-2-4 timings, which is extremely good. I know there is mushkin EB ram that will timings like that, im wondering if they use the same kind of chips? I also heard that HIGH performance ddr2 ram is going to dry up due to micron. Should i get this ram while it lasts??? I can get a 1GB stick for 99.99 on Outpost, or 129.90 in the store. Im thinking i should jump on it.

Its TCCD best around and am shocked for the price. DDR400 2x512(for AMD) is around $160. are you sure it is XBL? if it is then you got a good deal.

[dicecca112]

um its DDR2, there is no such thing as TCCD in the DDR2 realm.

[ochungry]

um its DDR2, there is no such thing as TCCD in the DDR2 realm.
Patriot xblk in DDR1 are TCCD(link below), so why wont DDR2?
factual info to back your claim please.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220056

[Sentential]

I believe that patriot uses low level Micron 3.0ns which should clock reasonably well. For the money I'd say its a pretty good deal. Most DDR2 costs about $200 and atleast with this you are getting very nice DDR2

[dicecca112]

Patriot xblk in DDR1 are TCCD(link below), so why wont DDR2?
factual info to back your claim please.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16820220056

Well I read his post and it says DDR2, maybe you should read his post a little clearer

Factually info huh, how about this http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4453756?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

or how about this the 955 chipset by Intel uses DDR2 only, the Pentium D can only use DDR2, so obviously its DDR2 and not DDR

What is the difference between DDR and DDR2?

Computer manufacturers began introducing DDR2-based systems in mid-2004. The evolutionary changes to DDR architecture enable DDR2 to achieve speeds beyond of DDR, delivering bandwidth of 5.3 GB per second and beyond! Because DDR2 is able to operate with faster bus speeds, your memory doesn't hold back the performance of your processor.

Like DDR modules, the numbers that come after the "PC2" refer to the total bandwidth of the module. For this type of memory, a higher number represents faster memory, or more bandwidth. DDR2 is sometimes referred to as "DDR2-400" or "DDR2-533," for example. When written this way, the numbers after "DDR2" refer to the data transfer rate of the components.

The Advantages of DDR2 Memory


* DDR2 is a new memory architecture that supports improvements in chipsets and other system components.

* DDR2 maximizes system performance and can operate at data rates of 667MHz and beyond.

* DDR2-based dual-channel systems process memory more efficiently and reduce system latency time.

* DDR2 better handles the memory-intensive applications used on today's faster, feature-packed systems.

* Lower power consumption improves server performance and prolongs notebook battery life.

* Lower operating voltage of 1.8 volts (compared to 2.5 volts for DDR and 3.3 volts for SDRAM).

* Lower operating temperatures help notebooks and servers with cooling and required airflow.



DDR2 is not backward-compatible, which means that if you are upgrading a system that does not have DDR2 technology, it will not accept a DDR2 upgrade.

[ochungry]

Well I read his post and it says DDR2, maybe you should read his post a little clearer

Factually info huh, how about this http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4453756?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

or how about this the 955 chipset by Intel uses DDR2 only, the Pentium D can only use DDR2, so obviously its DDR2 and not DDR

who said DDR1?
I read his post and I replied correctly. Maybe you should read my posts again.
again: i know he is looking for DDR2 and I know p4 (775 sockets) only uses DDR2. Hell I owned 520 2 months ago.
edit: should have said 240 pins only take DDR2, where as 775 915 chipset take DDR but 945 and 955 dont.

[ochungry]

EternalX read the review on that patriot
http://www.xtremeresources.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=83

[dicecca112]

because TCCD is DDR only! Do a search it will prove this more times over

[ochungry]

Well I read his post and it says DDR2, maybe you should read his post a little clearer

Factually info huh, how about this http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4453756?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

or how about this the 955 chipset by Intel uses DDR2 only, the Pentium D can only use DDR2, so obviously its DDR2 and not DDR

Well i am glad you know as much as the introductory of DDR2. But for your info I have read tons of info on DDR2 and I dont like it.
It is not faster than DDR contrary to your DDR2 "101" states, and produces lower scores in all tests compared to DDR. Something for you to know.

[ochungry]

because TCCD is DDR only! Do a search it will prove this more times over
well, I know TCCD was around for DDR and lately Samsung has changed to TCC4,5, CCC etc and only few still manufac. TCCD. I read in patriot's website that their XBLK lines are both DDR and DDR2, so I figured since same designation(XBLK) then should both be TCCD. But I may be wrong. Best to contact patriot and clear this up.
according to link below Samsung makes bunch of DDR2 but different designations for their own brand name, so why not TCCx?.
http://www.ati.com/products/radeonxpress200Intel/memvendor.html#2

[dicecca112]

because the chips and PCBs are physically different, it won't work

[batboy]

That XBL DDR2 RAM you are asking about uses Micron chips that are very similar to what's on my OCZ EB rev2 DDR2 RAM and with extra voltage I've hit DDR2-720 using 3-2-2-6 timings. Looks like a pretty good deal. If you are getting it for an Intel system, buy 2 matched sticks to make full use of dual channel.

Ochungry, you keep trying to compare apples to oranges. We are well aware of your dislike for DDR2 and you are free to have your own opinions on the subject, but your info is not entirely correct. Now be a good boy and stay on topic. Please don't argue.

[ochungry]

That XBL DDR2 RAM you are asking about uses Micron chips that are very similar to what's on my OCZ EB rev2 DDR2 RAM and with extra voltage I've hit DDR2-720 using 3-2-2-6 timings. Looks like a pretty good deal. If you are getting it for an Intel system, buy 2 matched sticks to make full use of dual channel.

Ochungry, you keep trying to compare apples to oranges. We are well aware of your dislike for DDR2 and you are free to have your own opinions on the subject, but your info is not entirely correct. Now be a good boy and stay on topic. Please don't argue.
Yes gand pa.

[Sentential]

ochungry you need to understand that high peformance parts are coming from Samsung, just not now. I belive in the first part of 06 they will release a DDR2 900 part (not sure about that). As of right now they are only making cheap stuff since the demand for it is very low.

[ochungry]

ochungry you need to understand that high peformance parts are coming from Samsung, just not now. I belive in the first part of 06 they will release a DDR2 900 part (not sure about that). As of right now they are only making cheap stuff since the demand for it is very low.

You know, I am f...ing tiered of all you Intel fanboys telling me "you need to understand" or "you are not entirely correct" where it is you who don’t understand. Most intel members here always react in the same manner to those who may know the dilemma Intel causing them. after spending 1k on the setup and DDR2 800/1000 late to find out money wasted and DDR2 1000 no improvement and some cases poorer results, then resort to insult.
That's ok I understand your pain.
Sentenial, since you are the representative of mushkin, can you prove that changing from DDR2 533 to DDR2 1000 is going to bring about significant improvement? or any at all?
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2412&p=8

[crimedog]

tccd is on ddr2? ddr2 is awful? intel fanboys suck? all in a "is this a good ddr2" thread? get outta here.

for the price that sounds pretty good, maybe even better than my pqi (if it overclocks a lot)

[Sentential]

You know, I am f...ing tiered of all you Intel fanboys telling me "you need to understand" or "you are not entirely correct" where it is you who don’t understand. Most intel members here always react in the same manner to those who may know the dilemma Intel causing them. after spending 1k on the setup and DDR2 800/1000 late to find out money wasted and DDR2 1000 no improvement and some cases poorer results, then resort to insult.
That's ok I understand your pain.
Sentenial, since you are the representative of mushkin, can you prove that changing from DDR2 533 to DDR2 1000 is going to bring about significant improvement? or any at all?
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2412&p=8
lol.... excuse me? Ok, sure. Lets set the record straight on this :) This has absolutly nothing to do with me favoring Intel over AMD. This has everything to do with haveing a platform to help troubleshoot DDR2 for both Mushkin and Customers.

What you need to understand is that DDR2's advantage is its density, more so than its ability to reach higher speeds. Unlike many DDR1 including TCCD, it simply is too expensive to create the level of density that Infineon/Hynix's new 4GB sticks via 90nm can offer.

In addition as mentioned before, they can run considerably faster than DDR1 without having it cost as much. The other thing you need to understand is that Anandtech was doing the majority of their tests at a stock speed bus speed of 200mhz. This is especially worsened on a platform who's RAM must run asynch to reach its nominal

Surely you do not think that I or anyone would keep their FSB at stock speeds or even remotly close to 200?

The difference between S939's high peformance RAM and LGA775's is that S939's RAM is slow enough that most people are capable of running close to if not 1:1. With DDR2 this is simply not the case.

Once socket M2 arrives all of the rants against DDR2 ought to change as it should be able to run 1:1 on DDR2 much like the new .65nm cores from Intel should do as well.

So in summary, the reason why TCCD is pratically useless now, is that games like BF2 and others truly need 2GB to operate smoothly. This is something that neither UTT or TCCD will *ever* be capable of fully addressing.

I am not going to take up EternalX thread any more with this, you are welcome to join me on chat or continue this via PM :)

[David]

It would be nice if this discussion could proceed in a civil, polite and on-topic manner. This is not DDR vs DDR2. This is "is this good DDR2". OK?

[ochungry]

tccd is on ddr2? ddr2 is awful? intel fanboys suck? all in a "is this a good ddr2" thread? get outta here.

for the price that sounds pretty good, maybe even better than my pqi (if it overclocks a lot)

Dog, here you go again. my first post already stated "very good ram for price" and contributed several links for poster here. what have You contributed here other than ridicules are wasting my time and am not responding to your nonsense anymore.

Sentential, can you refrain yourself from "you need to understand". It wasn’t me who hijacked this thread, phrases like that will tend to sabotage the thread.
PS: anandtech overclocked the rams and were not just at stock.
again not trying to highjack the thread, but for the last time DDR2 533 to DDR1000 is only about 6 to 7% improvement. Read the entire review

[crimedog]

Dog, here you go again. my first post already stated "very good ram for price" and contributed several links for poster here. what have You contributed here other than ridicules are wasting my time and am not responding to your nonsense anymore.

Sentential, can you refrain yourself from "you need to understand". It wasn’t me who hijacked this thread, phrases like that will tend to sabotage the thread.
PS: anandtech overclocked the rams and were not just at stock.
again not trying to highjack the thread, but for the last time DDR2 533 to DDR1000 is only about 6 to 7% improvement. Read the entire review


what are you talking about, firsty? second, you did hijack the thread. 9 posts, mostly trying to tell us that samsung makes tccd for ddr2, which is wrong.

[ochungry]

what are you talking about, firsty? second, you did hijack the thread. 9 posts, mostly trying to tell us that samsung makes tccd for ddr2, which is wrong.
apparantly you cant count either. I said DDR1 is XBLK and that is TCCD, and since the DDR2 is XBLK it should be TCCD. I also admitted it might not be TCCD but maybe TCCx or samsung. so are you going to stratch this nonsense further or are we finished?
I sent an email to patriot support and will find out what chip. as soon as I hear from them I will post-unless your majesty think that would be considered a hijack.

[dicecca112]

apparantly you cant count either. I said DDR1 is XBLK and that is TCCD, and since the DDR2 is XBLK it should be TCCD. I also admitted it might not be TCCD but maybe TCCx or samsung. so are you going to stratch this nonsense further or are we finished?
I sent an email to patriot support and will find out what chip. as soon as I hear from them I will post-unless your majesty think that would be considered a hijack.

my god DDR CHIPS AND DDR2 CHIPS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE PERIOD. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TCCD, TCC5, BH5, BH6 OR ANYTHING ELSE DDR RELATED ON DDR2 MEMORY IT WILL PHYSICALLY NOT WORK!

[ochungry]

EternalX, I hope you went ahead and bought this ram. If so, I would really appreciate it if you describe a few items for me to identify this ram.
If you have any DDR2 handy compare the height and see if it is shorter.
I wouldn’t want to suggest to remove the heatsink and read markings on the chip, because some heatsink are difficult to come off. but if you could inspect/pick thru the heatsink and note if any unusual layout or clean circuits (not cluttered) and any description would really help.
Thanks

[crimedog]

EternalX, I hope you went ahead and bought this ram. If so, I would really appreciate it if you describe a few items for me to identify this ram.
If you have any DDR2 handy compare the height and see if it is shorter.
I wouldn’t want to suggest to remove the heatsink and read markings on the chip, because some heatsink are difficult to come off. but if you could inspect/pick thru the heatsink and note if any unusual layout or clean circuits (not cluttered) and any description would really help.
Thanks

:temper: it is much different. ddr2 is not nearly the same as ddr1, as you are very adament about. the chips are not COMPATIBLE.

thank you for insulting my intelligence, but next time why don't you count your worthless posts before telling me i can't count.

[David]

OK. Please keep this civil or this thread is going to get locked and I am going to send out warnings. This is the last time I am going to post this.

OCHungry, Crimedog, that means you.

[EternalX]

thanks for those that gave helpful info. I am going to buy the ram and hold onto for a bit since its such a good price. Cant pass up 2GB of some very nice ddr2 memory for only 200 bux ;)

[ochungry]

OK. Please keep this civil or this thread is going to get locked and I am going to send out warnings. This is the last time I am going to post this.

OCHungry, Crimedog, that means you.

David,
I apologies to all readers here if I seemed to be rude.
also like to say that I know the difference between DDR1 and DDR2-no need to drag this thread on this subject.
Thanks.

[batboy]

Should of listened to grandpa...


thanks for those that gave helpful info. I am going to buy the ram and hold onto for a bit since its such a good price. Cant pass up 2GB of some very nice ddr2 memory for only 200 bux

It's amazing how prices have dropped for DDR2. Last December you would of paid twice as much for that RAM.

[dicecca112]

easily, I payed 116 for my corsair now it can be had from anywhere between 80-90$