Odd 3dmark 05 scores with my 6800LE

[icedragn]

I think its probably just the temperature, my room upstairs is practially cooking its so friggin hot, and my basement is nice and cool. Heres the deal tho, my 6800LE on my system in sig gets 2.5K stock, and it got 2.7Kstock on my 1.6ghz duron with 256ddr and agp4x. Is it the temp difference making up for this ~200 discrepancy? Thanks and if so come winter i should get good performance :D

[timtooAMD]

i can get variations by around 100 sometimes, but never more than that

[icedragn]

i can get variations by around 100 sometimes, but never more than that

yes there is always a margin of error but this system is a PEICE OF CRAP, i was for sure thinkin to get considerably more on my athlon 64 like 3K not 2.5K =/

[Quailane]

The system isn't a piece of crap, you just don't know how to handle it. Temperature won't do anything if it is running without artifacts, but many can't be seen. Run an artifact tester. I forget what there is for nvidia cards since it has been a while for me. Artifacts that you can't even see will drag your score down. I overclocked a 5900 and was getting a lower score than before. It looked like there were no artifacts. I used some program to test and then backed the overclock a little bit untill I got none. Then the score went up.

[icedragn]

The system isn't a piece of crap, you just don't know how to handle it. Temperature won't do anything if it is running without artifacts, but many can't be seen. Run an artifact tester. I forget what there is for nvidia cards since it has been a while for me. Artifacts that you can't even see will drag your score down. I overclocked a 5900 and was getting a lower score than before. It looked like there were no artifacts. I used some program to test and then backed the overclock a little bit untill I got none. Then the score went up.

like in the first post, i said stock.. the card is completely stock 8x1,4vp @ 300/700, so unless its garbage and artifacting when i bought it then that cant be the case.

[3DFlyer]

With that system and card I would expect to see 4-5K range. My GT on a P4 3.2E with 1G of PC 3200 hit a little over 6000. With that AMD 64, and the RAM you have, you *should* be able to get at least 4-5 out of it. 2-3K is shockingly low. Something sounds like it's very out of whack.

What PSU are you running? These cards like alot of power, and the power has to be real stable.

[icedragn]

With that system and card I would expect to see 4-5K range. My GT on a P4 3.2E with 1G of PC 3200 hit a little over 6000. With that AMD 64, and the RAM you have, you *should* be able to get at least 4-5 out of it. 2-3K is shockingly low. Something sounds like it's very out of whack.

What PSU are you running? These cards like alot of power, and the power has to be real stable.

400watt generic psu >.< i know just laugh at me now :p , If i upgraded to a lets say 450watt antec or 535watt enermax it would greatly help my performance? also what do they mean when they say enermax is cleaner? and doesnt "dirty" your power? :S

Edit: out of whack? :p and here i was amazed by it but who wouldnt be amazed by anything better than my old 5700le/2500+ Sempron/512ddr pc2700

[icedragn]

Just lookint at some psu's, i love the look and design of the Ultra line of psu's with the detachable cables so my case stays clean, its 500watt but ultra is one of those "no name" type brands, i guess they are working their way up but how do their psu's stand up? here is the link http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=876412&Sku=ULT31558
the enermax is CAD$104 at www.ncix.com but if the ultra is good, well its on sale with a mail-in rebate and i love the look of it.

EDIT: Found this other great priced PSU, from a reputable name. Fortron 450watt
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15859&vpn=AX450-PN&manufacture=FSP%20GROUP%20USA

Also scrap the Ultra... read many reviews that the cables are so stiff they have a tendancy to pop out LOL but yea, fortron is a good brand no? and 450 watts should be more than i need even if i o/c cpu/gpu?

[icedragn]

Still waiting for a confirmation on the psu issue, another thing i just found that may help your decision futher is that overclocking yields NO GAIN AT ALL. I can overclock this card high, and well i dunno if its actually doing these clocks properly or if its having trouble gettin power, but i oc'd to 450/925 and lost 4 points in my 3dmark 05 score. I gradually worked up to these clocks and the score remained the same but lost a point or 2 then at this very high OC i lost a couple more points. Does this mean its not getting the power it needs? cause it also does score very low...

[icedragn]

New update, yet another odd one. My scores via overclocking now increase, the only thing that has changed is considerably cool weather now so everything is running very cool, to be exact the CPU is running 9-12C cooler and the gpu i dont know cause i never looked before when it was hot but i can say that the gpu hsf is hardly warm to the touch as opposed to before it was always warm to the touch sometimes really warm yet not hot or nothing. Heres what i got in 3dmark 2005:

Before:
2502 - stock 8x1,4vp
3100 - stock 12x1,6vp
3098 - 12x1,6vp @ 339/776 (optimal frequnecy from coolbits)
3096 - 12x1,6vp @ 350/850

After:
2612 - stock 8x1,4vp
3334 - stock 12x1,6vp
3453 - 12x1,6vp @ 339/776
3518 - 12x1,6vp @ 350/850

What is the stock voltage? 1.2v? im thinkin on volt modding to 1.3 to see how much higher i can get because after 350 core there isnt an increase in score but rather a decrease after goin around 375 core and i lose 2-3 points.

Also im still thinking im getting very low scores because the guy above thinks i should be getting in the 4-5K range and im maxed on my o/c here without a volt mod and i can only hit 3.5K @ 12x1,6vp 350/850 so would a new psu work here? and if you havent read above i have a generic 400watt psu.

[icedragn]

what does the 6800LE require on the 12v rail? my new case will be here soon and it has a CG (codegen) 400watt psu, and i found specs on it and it has only 14A on the 12v rail... dunno about this pos in here but will that even be enough? :S Im lookin at an enermax 460 watt and it has 33A on the 12v rail which im sure is more than decent for anything right now.

[icedragn]

Wow 4 days and still no one can asnwer my question :S

[KillrBuckeye]

The 12V rail powers multiple components in the system, so there's not a good answer to your question. 14A on the 12V lines is not enough for everything, IMO. Are you sure it's not a dual 12V rail PSU? My Fortron AX500 has dual 12V lines and it works great. I highly recommend it. It's a bargain too at less than $80.

3DFlyer is right: your 3DMark05 scores are way too low for your system. I have very similar system specs and I get around 3800 with stock settings. If I OC my video card a bit I can easily break 4000, but for some reason games become a bit unstable, so I stick with stock settings. Anyhow, I believe something else besides temperature is affecting your scores. Have you tried a clean install of Windows? If you've upgraded hardware (motherboard, CPU, video card, etc.) on your current installation of Windows, you should probably reformat and reinstall. Driver conflicts may be part of the problem.

[icedragn]

The 12V rail powers multiple components in the system, so there's not a good answer to your question. 14A on the 12V lines is not enough for everything, IMO. Are you sure it's not a dual 12V rail PSU? My Fortron AX500 has dual 12V lines and it works great. I highly recommend it. It's a bargain too at less than $80.

3DFlyer is right: your 3DMark05 scores are way too low for your system. I have very similar system specs and I get around 3800 with stock settings. If I OC my video card a bit I can easily break 4000, but for some reason games become a bit unstable, so I stick with stock settings. Anyhow, I believe something else besides temperature is affecting your scores. Have you tried a clean install of Windows? If you've upgraded hardware (motherboard, CPU, video card, etc.) on your current installation of Windows, you should probably reformat and reinstall. Driver conflicts may be part of the problem.

this is a brand new system so it was a fresh install, just re-installed again but im still getting the same results. I just dont know whats goin on.

[hitokiri_808]

you scores do seem low for your system. I got 2.5k stock and 3.6k unlocked with a outdated system. specs in sig

Heres all the scores I did during my benchmarking. Its still a work in progress with overclocking, and I wanted to look into voltmodding and see if it might give me 16 pipes.

stock 6800le
3D05 2503
3D03 6664
3D01 14768
FFXI Vana'diel Bench 5240

12x1 4vp
3D05 2895

12x1 5vp
3D05 3102

12x1 6vp
3D05 3229

12x1 6vp 346core 780mem
3D05 3624
3d03 9214
3D01 16218
FFXI Vana'diel Bench 5667

12x1 6vp 346core 857mem
3D05 3639

Did you try a different driver version to see if that changed preformance?

[icedragn]

yes i have tried 71.89/77.77/80.40, all yield same results within a margin of error.