100 feedbacks for a dollar

[Lionsault_100]

ebay feedbacks that is ..

what are your thoughts on this ? do you do it ? do you check the actual feedback of your buyer/seller to make sure they arn't penny feedbacks ?

i noticed a guy with one of those new member symbols with 100 feedback and saw he got them from selling ebooks for 1 cent and free ship

[dicecca112]

I believe its against ebay rules

[9mmCensor]

report it. thats bad man. abusing the system = bad.

[jack222]

report it. thats bad man. abusing the system = bad.

[Lionsault_100]

i can see how it's bad, but what exact rule are they breaking. i mean he's not selling feedbacks per se... and they allow 1 cent auctions

[TalRW]

it violates this part of the origional user agreement.

Feedback.
8.1 Integrity. You may not take any actions that may undermine the integrity of the feedback system. We may limit the number of bids and listings you may place on the Site based upon the level of your feedback. If you earn a net feedback rating of -4 (minus four), your membership may be suspended, and you may be unable to list or bid.

Report him he is violating the integrity of the feedback system by basically trying to get around it.

[Lionsault_100]

i see what you're saying, but i'm not going to report the guy, because i've seen many with inflated feedbacks

i'm just saying what the cut off is.. i if you buy 1 item for 1 cent does that put you in that category ? 5 cent items ? what is the cut off ?

[9mmCensor]

report the others with inflated feedbacks as well.

[Lionsault_100]

my point is who's inflated and who isn't ? --- if you buy 1 item for 1 cent does that put you on the list ? 5 ? , 10 ? -- and what about the sellers.

[TalRW]

it's not the fact that they are buying a item for one cent. If you win a legit auction for 1 cent because you are the only bidder there is nothing wrong with it. But if it's just for the pure sake of I'm going to sell 100 pieces of paper each for one cent for the pure cause of inflation, that is wrong. Now see if you think it's questionable I would still report it because then the ebay staff will review the case and decide if it's a violation of the rules. If you report it and they decide it's not inflation then there is no problem. But if they did one person who is trying to get around the system is kicked out.

[wrangler88]

report it, then maybe he'll start selling bogus stuff and someone will get stuck with it, just beacuse it looks like he sells alot and gets a good feedback..

[Lionsault_100]

i think you should get feedback points for every dollar you spend (so if its a 50 dollar transaction you get 50 points) or some kind of system like that. because buying items for 1 cent just for feedback and then hiding your feedback comments can't be enforced.

[JDXNC]

i think you should get feedback points for every dollar you spend (so if its a 50 dollar transaction you get 50 points) or some kind of system like that. because buying items for 1 cent just for feedback and then hiding your feedback comments can't be enforced.

That wouldn't work, what about a guy who bought 10 spindles of cd's per say of $10 each, and a guy who bought 1 car for 10 grand.... who's gonna look better with a quick glimpse.

[theMonster]

There are a TON of people doing it. If you're buying an item of ANY value I only do it from somebody who doesn't have hardly ANY negatices if they've got like 500 positives and 50 negatives, I'm a bit leary and read all the negatives before I decide to make a purchase or not. I actually had a guy try to drag me into a class-action lawsuit against a powerseller because he dug up my e-mail address from a negative feedback I'd left the powerseller he was suing. Also be aware that if you buy something and get HORRBILE service and leave the seller a negative feedback they will ALWAYS turn around and leave a negative one for you. Petty children's game IMO.

[Lionsault_100]

That wouldn't work, what about a guy who bought 10 spindles of cd's per say of $10 each, and a guy who bought 1 car for 10 grand.... who's gonna look better with a quick glimpse.

obviously the guy who bought the car is capable of finishing a high value transaction

[RoadWarrior]

Also be aware that if you buy something and get HORRBILE service and leave the seller a negative feedback they will ALWAYS turn around and leave a negative one for you. Petty children's game IMO.

I've got half the feedback I should have really because I don't see why a buyer should have to put in feedback first. I mean, your end is all kept up, you've paid on time, and if that's not good enough for them to leave good feedback, screw 'em. The sellers expectations are fulfilled maybe a week, often 2 or 3 before the buyers are, so if they don't give, they don't get.

[Lionsault_100]

There are a TON of people doing it. If you're buying an item of ANY value I only do it from somebody who doesn't have hardly ANY negatices if they've got like 500 positives and 50 negatives, I'm a bit leary and read all the negatives before I decide to make a purchase or not. I actually had a guy try to drag me into a class-action lawsuit against a powerseller because he dug up my e-mail address from a negative feedback I'd left the powerseller he was suing. Also be aware that if you buy something and get HORRBILE service and leave the seller a negative feedback they will ALWAYS turn around and leave a negative one for you. Petty children's game IMO.

how did he monster get banned ???

[JDXNC]

obviously the guy who bought the car is capable of finishing a high value transaction

Doesn't mean he would though. Some rich people can be remarkebly stingy/untrustworthy.

[voodoomelon]

Well it's all a question of where to draw the line.

What if a guy is selling cables at 99c each plus $1 delivery? What if that's all he sells? I see nothing wrong with that.

The majority of Power sellers have accumulated their feedback through the selling of small, virtually worthless items, not by selling cars and boats.

Although i do disagree with starting out selling crappy stuff just to get a higher rating.

But then again, if those transactions go off without a hitch, there is no reason why a person should not be entitled to their feedback.

And being a Power seller with a good rating is not an indication of a good seller. I bought a laptop from a power seller, who turned out to be selling hundreds of beaded necklaces, months before I bought the laptop.
I was the first in a LONG LINE of people to be ripped off from this Power seller, he has since been banned, and I am still down $500.

:bang head

[TekeTorvo]

I've got half the feedback I should have really because I don't see why a buyer should have to put in feedback first. I mean, your end is all kept up, you've paid on time, and if that's not good enough for them to leave good feedback, screw 'em. The sellers expectations are fulfilled maybe a week, often 2 or 3 before the buyers are, so if they don't give, they don't get.

I have sent more emails about this exact thing to ebay, than I care to count. In the end, it is perfectly legal, and approved by Ebay.

[voodoomelon]

I've got half the feedback I should have really because I don't see why a buyer should have to put in feedback first. I mean, your end is all kept up, you've paid on time, and if that's not good enough for them to leave good feedback, screw 'em. The sellers expectations are fulfilled maybe a week, often 2 or 3 before the buyers are, so if they don't give, they don't get.

I'm confused.
Are you talking about sellers that don't leave feedback before their item arrives to the buyer, or sellers that dont leave feedback at all?

Because when I sell an item, I don't leave feedback until the buyer gets it, however i include a note stating this with each package.

I don't want some punk giving me unjustified grief later on, after me leaving them good feedback just because they know how to use Paypal...

[TekeTorvo]

I'm confused.
Are you talking about sellers that don't leave feedback before their item arrives to the buyer, or sellers that dont leave feedback at all?

Because when I sell an item, I don't leave feedback until the buyer gets it, however i include a note stating this with each package.

I don't want some punk giving me unjustified grief later on, after me leaving them good feedback just because they know how to use Paypal...

What you do is precisely what we speak of. If I hit the "Buy Now" button, and pay instantly, my feedback should be as just that. FAST PAYER! Then if the item I purchased is what I paid for, and in the condition as stated, I will leave positive. What you do is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! You FORCE buyers into leaving positive feedback.

[voodoomelon]

That's not true in the slightest.
How on earth is that "forcing" a person to leave positive feedback?

Just because a buyer pays instantly, like 90% of buyers do, does not mean they deserve instant positive feedback. A multitude of things can go wrong in the mean time whilst the buyer waits for the package or in and around a week after they recieve it.

A transaction is not completed until at least when the buyer recieves the item, feedback should not be left before that time, it just makes no sense. Why do you want your feedback so quick? Does it really kill you to wait a week, until the transaction completes?

My policy has saved my ass a few times from people looking for replacements / refunds when they idiodicially neglected to check for compatability (hardware), even though my listings clearly state full spec.

What I do is not "wrong, wrong, wrong".

[Dreamstalker]

I've got half the feedback I should have really because I don't see why a buyer should have to put in feedback first. I mean, your end is all kept up, you've paid on time, and if that's not good enough for them to leave good feedback, screw 'em.
I used to leave FB first as a seller until I got burned by a few scammers that tried chargebacks (and somehow won; I was out both the $ and the widget and since I had already left +FB I could not warn others), and a couple small transactions where the PP funds turned out to be fraudulent (I was only "notified" of this after the buyer received the widget). Even after shipment, there are things that can go wrong.

[voodoomelon]

Exactly, thank you.

:)

[mdameron]

wow, you two guys should quit ebay, that's just wrong. The buyer leaves feedback when the seller completes his half, and the seller leaves feedback when he completes his half. As the seller, you should leave + feedback AS SOON AS the money clears, not as soon as he says you're good. If he says your bad, are you gonna give bad feedback too? Shady and wrong.

You shouldn't wait to see what they're going to say, if you do what you're supposed to, you'll have good feedback.

[BLcK]

high $$$ amount transactions should use an escrow service. Always look at there feedback of what they bought and sold. Most importantly use logical common sense is the best way to deal with ebay.

[Dreamstalker]

Not this argument again :bang head Check out ebay's feedback board and see how widely responses to this vary.

PP chargebacks can be made long after the funds clear, and an ebay not-received complaint or CC chargeback can be filed past that cutoff. Non-PP CC payments can also be disputed long after the payment "clears".

Depending on what the buyer claims, DC can solve it, but not always (in my few fraudulent-fund chargebacks, having proof of delivery did nothing; I got socked for the total amount as well as additional $ for the "privilege" of having them take the money).

My buyers see nothing wrong with waiting an extra day or so for me to check delivery status, email them asking if all's well, etc. I don't use an auto-feedback system, and see no reason to.