What's the difference between Celeron and Celeron II?

[ZeroAquaduct]

I want to buy a Celeron 700MHz CPU. I surfed around the Internet and found out that some people are selling Celeron II CPUs. What's this? Is this the same as a Celeron?

I heard that the Celeron 700MHz is very good for overclocking.

[Mr B]

There really isn't a Celeron II....that's a term that was attached to the Coppermine based version, starting with the 533a and then up.

intel has never "officially" called these chips Celeron II. But, if you read this term somewhere, that's what it means...:)

Celeron "II's" would be:

66 FSB;

533a, 566, 600, 633, 667, 700, 733, 766

100 FSB;

800, 850, 900, 950, 1000

I believe the 100 is a Coppermine, but might be a Tualitin...:confused:

That's the starting lineup for the Celeron "II" :D

BTW...the C700 is horrible for overclocking! The multiplier for that chip is extremely high, and actually works against you when you try to overclock them. The 700 has an 10.5x multi, which is right up there at the top of the cpu's core capacity. The reason that intel went to a 100 bus for the 800, was they couldn't get the chips to run much faster at 66FSB with those multi's....

Better chips in the Celeron line for overclocking:

566, 600, 633, 800, 850, (and up)

Most of the 700's won't make it to 100FSB, and usually, the next step down is 83FSB.... This is a bad, bad neighborhood to run at...you usually wind up with all kinds of problems, because the PCI Bus is so far out of spec there. Data corruption to the hard drive is not uncommon at 83FSB. :(

[alan]

Now that Mr.B is switching to AMD... It's gonna be a shame to lose his input and knowledge about Intel.

One cannot serve two masters.

[ZeroAquaduct]

Thanks for the reply. So if I go for a Celeron 633 (66 FSB), then it's pretty much the "Celeron II"? What sort of terms or specifications should I be looking for so that I'll get the correct one?

I want to best one for overclocking. I'm a newbie at this, so I need all the advice you can give me. I read many "how to" guides on case cooling, CPU cooling, video card cooling, etc., so I'm comfortable with that; but anything beyond "cooling" is still a mystery for me. ;)

[Mr B]

Originally posted by alan
Now that Mr.B is switching to AMD... It's gonna be a shame to lose his input and knowledge about Intel.

One cannot serve two masters.

OH...relax alan... I still have my name at the top of this one as a Moderator...lol

Just because I've got an XP in the box now, doesn't mean I've turned in my intel knowledge, or willingness to help those asking for it. That will NEVER change.

Actually, I've learned quite a bit recently, and I'm becoming "bi-lingual"...lol I'm starting to be able to speak intel, and AMD.

My knowledge base is growing, and I will never hold that knowledge from anyone, regardless of what they run.

Actually, I serve 9000+ masters....all of the members here at overclockers.com. ;)

And besides, sitting behind me is my "beta" rig...P/// 600E @ 954.

And floating around this room, are 3 Celerons, a P II, and another P///, (plus a shoebox full of i486's and a handful of low grade P I's), so there's no chance of my intel knowledge getting "stale"

:D

(I also know you're giving me another ribbing, and don't take my reply too seriously, either...lol)

[Mr B]

Originally posted by hiroXP
Thanks for the reply. So if I go for a Celeron 633 (66 FSB), then it's pretty much the "Celeron II"? What sort of terms or specifications should I be looking for so that I'll get the correct one?

I want to best one for overclocking. I'm a newbie at this, so I need all the advice you can give me. I read many "how to" guides on case cooling, CPU cooling, video card cooling, etc., so I'm comfortable with that; but anything beyond "cooling" is still a mystery for me. ;)

hiroXP, I should have said this earlier...lol

Welcome to our Forums! :)

I think you might want to take a look thru our "Tips and Techniques" section on the left side of the front page here. There's a ton of info on the topics you mention to be found there.

Then, read thru the various topics in the Forums themselves. There's soo much info to be gleaned, just by reading, more, with the asking of good questions.

Time. It takes time to learn all there is to know of the art of overclocking. Patience will bring it to you.

Always remember, heat is the enemy....cooling is essential! :D

Welcome again!

Mr B

[-=HN=- Wild9]

you can find a celeron 900mhz(100 mhz fsb) with the coppermine core for under 90 bucks my friend, very cheap and mine is running stable at 1.2ghz aircooled. nice chip, but the ones with the tualatin core are better i hear, btw how do you pronounce tualatin, is it too-la-tin ?? or like too-a-la-tin ?

[LutaWicasa]

Welcome hiroXP :)
I'll tell ya, IMHO the best Cellies for oc'ing are the 533a, 566 and 600's (that is of the 66 fsb flavor, I have no experience with the 100 fsb babies) If ya want to know the specific stepping codes for the best oc'ers I'd suggest checking out the CPU database we got on the front page. Like Mr B said, read evrything you can run across and most importantly......enjoy, have some oc fun :D

[ZeroAquaduct]

Thanks for the replies. I went over to the home page and read everything there is to know about overclocking. And I went to other overclocking web sites as well. This looks like fun! :)

[The Doors]

Originally posted by Mr B
There really isn't a Celeron II....that's a term that was attached to the Coppermine based version, starting with the 533a and then up.
intel has never "officially" called these chips Celeron II. But, if you read this term somewhere, that's what it means...:)

Celeron "II's" would be:

66 FSB;
533a, 566, 600, 633, 667, 700, 733, 766

100 FSB;
800, 850, 900, 950, 1000

I believe the 100 is a Coppermine, but might be a Tualitin...:confused:

That's the starting lineup for the Celeron "II" :D
Hey, what's about the Cellie 1100Mhz? :) :D :eek:

P.S. respect, bro.

[LJ5L]

Since we are on the subject, what is the designation E mean, like for example Celery 800 vs. 800E ?

[Zuck Gou :)]

Originally posted by LJ5L
Since we are on the subject, what is the designation E mean, like for example Celery 800 vs. 800E ?

No difference.

E and EB signify an 100 FSB, and a 133FSB.

[Yodums]

hehee i always thought what the difference was between e and eb was and now i know :)

[Mr B]

Originally posted by The Doors

Hey, what's about the Cellie 1100Mhz? :) :D :eek:

P.S. respect, bro.

Yup....missed that one...lol Good catch..;)

There's a 1200 too, isn't there? :p

[[EXC]DDan]

There's a 1200 too, isn't there?
isnt that the 1st cellie with a tualatin core?

[The Doors]

Yes, it is [EXC]DDan, and I suppose will be the Cellie /// for many reasons: the new Tulatin core 0.13 micron, the 256k of cache, and the new Fc-Pga 2 socket.
What do ya think about guys & gals?