Can an 830 run 5ghz?

[{PMS}fishy]

Just wondering if all you haters would come to realize that 2 Prescott cores own twices as hard.

edit: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=42481

http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/42481.png

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=127512

[TheCheat]

Just wondering if all you haters would come to realize that 2 Prescott cores own twices as hard.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=42468


OMG!!! :eek: :eek: :drool: :cool:

Benchmarks!!!! :clap: :clap:

[3DFlyer]

Heck I knew that when they came out. I own a single so it was pretty much a given. :)

That is true ownage, but for total world domination I'm still waiting on the Conroe to come out.

[{PMS}fishy]

Updated, even faster.

[Nexus Realized]

Great numbers man!

[hyperasus]

Oh WOW fishy. You are going to own Suckas pcmark scores with that thing. And just when I was starting to like my computer. Now I feel slow again.

I’d love to see pics of your rig if it’s not too much trouble.

[hyperasus]

Why doesn't cpuz show your voltage?

[dicecca112]

fishy you the man. Gotta love intels

[nikhsub1]

Nice dood! Finally 5Ghz and with a dual too! What do you run it at normally?

[{PMS}fishy]

Nice dood! Finally 5Ghz and with a dual too! What do you run it at normally?

5ghz ;)

Atleast that is all that it has run so far.

I'll let know what it does under the phase. Probally about 4.5ghz.

[{PMS}fishy]

Why doesn't cpuz show your voltage?

No idea, voltage was set at1.65v, actual of 1.55v.

[3DFlyer]

That's awesome. BTW, you put "4.5 under phase" in one of the posts above. I assume you meant 5.4GHz. :)

[{PMS}fishy]

this is the max we can get for validation.... before mods
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=42481

[dylskee]

Very nice fishy, with 1:1 ratio too!!!! Very impressive bro! :clap:
Is that with water or phase fishy?

[Sentential]

Nicely done

[Gautam]

Oh WOW fishy. You are going to own Suckas pcmark scores with that thing.
lol, already done (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=127412). Way to go fishy. :thup:

[leeashton]

seen this before, its fake i believe

[Gautam]

Fishy would be the last person to fake anything...his real results give him no reason to. ;)

[hyperasus]

seen this before, its fake i believe

wtf is he talking about?

[dicecca112]

and its CPu-z verified. He has no idea what he is talking about

[{PMS}fishy]

seen this before, its fake i believe

HAHA, ok, what ever you say.

[hyperasus]

Lets not let leeashton turn this thread upside down.

Bring on a few benchies for us when you get the time.

[{PMS}fishy]

Lets not let leeashton turn this thread upside down.

Bring on a few benchies for us when you get the time.

I've run Pcmark05, and Ill thorw up some others.

Pcmark04 refuses to run at any speed. Errors out on grammer check.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

oh my....that is soo so nice

what kind of cooling? don't tell me plain water...that would make me sick.

[{PMS}fishy]

what kind of cooling?

Stock Air :D

More details to come.

[hyperasus]

Thats odd. Most of the Intel duals I've seen give out on Multithreaded Test 2 before anything else.

Have you given this a try http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=415198

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Stock Air :D

More details to come.



whhhahahahahhaaaaaaaaa???????????????????????????? ??????????????????????


the stock cooler gives you 5.2ghz????????/


i think i'm going to pass out.....

[Gautam]

I'd venture a guess and say that "air" is not totally inaccurate...but it's probably anything but stock. ;)

[hUMANbEATbOX]

i wouldn't have thought that any amount of air would make 5.2ghz possible on ONE pressie core, let alone 2.

i'll continue passing out now :cool:

[hyperasus]

Come on guys read his sig

[Gautam]

I think there's a reason he said "4.5 on phase..." this isn't phase here...well it is...but it's also air...meh I should stop ruining his moment already.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Come on guys read his sig

he's had a 5ghz chip on plain water, that's why i asked. and if he says its on air, i am inclined to believe him (as unbelieveable as that is..i'm in shock).

I think there's a reason he said "4.5 on phase..." this isn't phase here...well it is...but it's also air...meh I should stop ruining his moment already.

ahh, i thought that was just a typo, i thought he meant 5.4ghz or something....whatever the cooling is, i'm more than impressed. i'll take a cue from you, and shaddup until he fills us in ;)

[{PMS}fishy]

Come on guys read his sig

Thats not whats cooling it ;)

Pictures and details to come....

[dylskee]

i wouldn't have thought that any amount of air would make 5.2ghz possible on ONE pressie core, let alone 2.

i'll continue passing out now :cool:
LMAO!!! I right there with you. I have the same chip, we got it from the same person and i can barely break 4.2GHz on air with an XP-120 and a freakish 220CFM Delta!!!! Details fishy details!! :)

[3DFlyer]

seen this before, its fake i believe

WTF?!? Dude, do you know that this guy regularly does this? He also posts benches, and all of his stuff is ***verified***. There ain't no fake about his stuff. People on here don't fake. This is an overclockers forum.

BTW, you're gonna see it many more times too if you look around this forum.

[dicecca112]

I'm guess Dry Ice

[nikhsub1]

he's had a 5ghz chip on plain water, that's why i asked.
Correction, that is incorrect. It is I who do 5Ghz with a 660 on water.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Correction, that is incorrect. It is I who do 5Ghz with a 660 on water.


LOL I'M SO SORRY NIKH....seriously, that was dumb on my part. you guys with the blue stars all confuse me.

you do deserve the props for that, i am still in awe of that oc, i hope you can forgive me. :)

[{PMS}fishy]

I'm guess Dry Ice

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/DI/100_0436%20(Medium).JPG

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/DI/100_0440%20(Medium).JPG

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/DI/100_0441%20(Medium).JPG

[{PMS}fishy]

LOL I'M SO SORRY NIKH....seriously, that was dumb on my part. you guys with the blue stars all confuse me.

you do deserve the props for that, i am still in awe of that oc, i hope you can forgive me. :)

Wait till you see it bow down to 6ghz.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/DI/100_0441%20(Medium).JPG

LOL, intel is really going all out on their coolers nowadays, hey? ;)

while its not a air cooled 24/7 830, it is still damn nice, and i am still very envious. keep up the good work!

*edit* i was just thinking, 6ghz on a 3ghz chip would be sickening...you are hitting some amazing fsb speeds, i wonder what the limit on that board is? (something tells me you will find out).

[{PMS}fishy]

LOL, intel is really going all out on their coolers nowadays, hey? ;)

while its not a air cooled 24/7 830, it is still damn nice, and i am still very envious. keep up the good work!

*edit* i was just thinking, 6ghz on a 3ghz chip would be sickening...you are hitting some amazing fsb speeds, i wonder what the limit on that board is? (something tells me you will find out).


Well, something maxed out at 370 FSB. Its hard to say what it was.

[Alchemy1]

Looking good. I have concidered dry ice myself, but it seems like it'd be a pain. Nice choice of beer:), but I prefer stouts myself.

[3DFlyer]

Well, something maxed out at 370 FSB. Its hard to say what it was.

Probably the NB.

[Daewood]

Phisy did you make that cooler (insane living cooling beast) yourself? what's it made out of? and how did you make it?

[{PMS}fishy]

fishy did you make that cooler (insane living cooling beast) yourself? what's it made out of? and how did you make it?

Its a Chilly1.

[crimedog]

to give some details...

new retail 830 max vcore
furb p5wd2-p all voltages except pci-e maxed
2x512 centon fatbody d9 2.3v
6800u stock cooler 440/1130
2x74gb raptors raid0 16k stripe
ocz 520w powerstream
chilly1 tube, acetone, dry ice

we're looking into getting a ram drive, ln2, and a killer 660 ;)

also have to do the vmods

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

Vmods would help for vcore .. 1.8v on a 660 would for sure give you 6.8ghz+ .

[crimedog]

best i could crank out at pi
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/pi.jpg

unfortuantly it wouldn't boot at 333x15 so we couldn't test with lower fsbs (aibooster wont raise above 333) :(

[g0dM@n]

Wow... I wanna try dry ice too someday.

Good work!! :)

[Daewood]

Its a Chilly1.

Where doesn one aquire one of these beasts?

[dicecca112]

xtremesystems.org forums

[Daewood]

To buy?

[jnev_89]

that's insane..... absolutely insane...

props dude, major props.

[Shelnutt2]

Can I borrow that setup? I'm :drool: over it. dang >5GHz. Dry Ice....I gues Ligued Nitrogen is the next step?

[thegreek]

what kind of memory was used?

[crimedog]

Can I borrow that setup? I'm :drool: over it. dang >5GHz. Dry Ice....I gues Ligued Nitrogen is the next step?

Sure, fishy says its $200 a day, plus shipping.

[crimedog]

what kind of memory was used?

to give some details...

new retail 830 max vcore
furb p5wd2-p all voltages except pci-e maxed
2x512 centon fatbody d9 2.3v
6800u stock cooler 440/1130
2x74gb raptors raid0 16k stripe
ocz 520w powerstream
chilly1 tube, acetone, dry ice

we're looking into getting a ram drive, ln2, and a killer 660 ;)

also have to do the vmods

[Shelnutt2]

Sure, fishy says its $200 a day, plus shipping.

Well at that rate I can borrow it for 1 day :p .

[crimedog]

Looking good. I have concidered dry ice myself, but it seems like it'd be a pain. Nice choice of beer:), but I prefer stouts myself.

actually dry ice is ridiculously easy to setup and use. we have a chilly1 tube (very good mounting) so all you have to do is line up the back plate and neoprene, put rods through it and board, drop on tube and bottom insulation, then top plate, put wingnuts down rods, and then drop on top insulation. to use you just fill it with bits of dry ice (finer the better), pack it down, drop a shot or two of acetone on top, then bench. it was so easy that i think we'll be doing it a lot. there were three of us drinking and we're all broke so 50 cent beers it is.

Well at that rate I can borrow it for 1 day :p.
that was fishy being a dick, we can't lend this tube out (we're borrowing it from maxi lol). you can find them for sale in the xtremesystems classifieds chilly1 and mickeymouse are main suppliers. dry ice is $1/lb at the place 1 mile from my apartment. tube will cost you a good amount though, although certainly less than a single stage.

[Ross]

PMS/crimedog...nice job guys! How long does the dice give you decent cooling for?

For those looking for dice/LN2 tubes, Chilly1 is awesome to deal with. You need the same 100 posts on XS to view the classifieds there too, but you can PM Chilly1 and he'll get back to you....after a couple of days ;) In fact, I think I saw one for sale in the classifieds here not long ago?

370FSB limit might be the NB without a volt mod...it might be the limit with a volt mod :) I am running mine at 1.85V on the NB with the stock sink and a 50mm fan on it (am looking to upgrade that soon). I can boot via BIOS at 370FSB like that on 0512 and 0519, but 375 won't happen. Make a dice tube for the NB :D

I've used AIB to go up to 400FSB, but the trick I've found is that you need to add no more than like 15FSB increments per "apply" or it will want to reboot to save changes. I know dividers change at 266 and maybe again at 333, so you may need to boot at 333 minimum to go higher with AIB and not require a restart. ie. if you boot at 332 and then use AIB to go higher, it may automatically require a reboot no matter what.

Did you do the Vc droop mod yet?

Congrats guys....keep it coming!

[crimedog]

PMS/crimedog...nice job guys! How long does the dice give you decent cooling for?

For those looking for dice/LN2 tubes, Chilly1 is awesome to deal with. You need the same 100 posts on XS to view the classifieds there too, but you can PM Chilly1 and he'll get back to you....after a couple of days ;) In fact, I think I saw one for sale in the classifieds here not long ago?

370FSB limit might be the NB without a volt mod...it might be the limit with a volt mod :) I am running mine at 1.85V on the NB with the stock sink and a 50mm fan on it (am looking to upgrade that soon). I can boot via BIOS at 370FSB like that on 0512 and 0519, but 375 won't happen. Make a dice tube for the NB :D

I've used AIB to go up to 400FSB, but the trick I've found is that you need to add no more than like 15FSB increments per "apply" or it will want to reboot to save changes. I know dividers change at 266 and maybe again at 333, so you may need to boot at 333 minimum to go higher with AIB and not require a restart. ie. if you boot at 332 and then use AIB to go higher, it may automatically require a reboot no matter what.

Did you do the Vc droop mod yet?

Congrats guys....keep it coming!

i bought 15lbs and a $5 styrofoam cooler ($20 total :D) and about 1/3 or 1/2 evaporated friday night/sat morning. whatever was left lasted us a few hours... definitely worth the money. you're right that 333fsb is one of the points that requires a reboot, we would have run 15x but i think we need the vdroop mod to get it to boot at 5ghz. i'm probably going to mod the board and push it harder this week, if i scrounge up a few bucks for dry ice and don't get this job. the northbridge is staying cool, still using the stock cooler but a put a 120mm fan on the board so the ram and the nb stay damn near ambient. if the mod is easy i might do it, my ram has more in it at 5-3-3. Unfortuantly it's no mushkin or corsair :(

as for the tubes, honestly i wouldn't want to buy one from chilly1. from what i hear he's taking forever on every kind of order and to be honest i was shocked at the quality of this tube. it's a three piece design, a copper slug, a cap, and the tube. it wasn't assembled exactly straight, although it's not affecting anything besides looks. the mounting system rocks (we didn't use any grease or anything) but i expected more. the mousepots look like they're the best by a long shot, but i never see em for sale.

ross if you have $200 or so kicking around (i think guava is selling a chilly1 in the classifieds) i'd totally recommend dry ice. it's super easy and beats up a single stage. we found out this board doesn't read -35c or below and the entire time we were benching we never saw it start reading correctly (so it musta been below -35c). only problem is we don't have a temp probe, so we couldn't tweak our acetone adding etc.

[Ross]

I'd definitely try it, but my mobo is mounted in the case and the last I looked, dice and LN2 are gravity fed ;) It would be fun to mess with though. Chilly1 is/was way backed up. He does HVAC work in Nevada = one busy dude during the summer...lol. He has/had some help there now building PC stuff, so it may be moving along better. I am a little shocked that the tube is less than perfect even if only cosmetically, but I guess it's not particularly meant to be a case mod ;) As long as it's doing it's job, not leaking and mounts solidly, it's all good. Do you even see the angle with insulation on it?

You could pick up a cheapo DMM that has a temp sensor, but there's no guarantee you would get accurate readings that low either. I guess you could try to calibrate it in a ice bath or something?

In any event, if I had $200 laying around at this point, it would probably go towards a new vid card, but ATI just can't seem to get off their collective arse and release anything new.

None of the mobo mods are that hard if you can solder. I did all of them with a standard tip $10 POS iron :) The Vc droop mod is actually a little easier than the Vddr or Vnb mods because it's just 2 existing solder point out in the relative open and there isn't another leg of an IC .05mm away ;) The only thing you really need to be careful with is if you strip too much off the end of the wire, they could kind of easily short against another SMT if you lay the wires flat because there are quite a few around. You can't really tell in this pic, but the come up off the board from the solder points and then back to the pot...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/boostedevo/670/vcdroopmod.jpg

[snvpa]

That does look like an easy mod. I think any one of us could handle that. The Dice is pretty fun to play around with and acetone is great for destroying anything plastic. Had I known we were gonna be playing with Dry Ice I woudl have brought up my crappy DMM with a temp reader but these guys never tell me anything. were gonna work on getting some Ln2 as thats about the only thing thats significantly colder than dry ice. Hopefully the three of us won't always be broke so we can actually play with cool hardware and not have to borrow everything.

Ross: you have a link for that mod, we coudln't fing the droop mod anywhere the other day. just preventing the vcore form dropping like a rock might net us another 100 mhz or so. Its tough to see the solder points form the pic

[mjgent]

Try these links for the droop mods.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=3881403#post3881403

http://www.akiba-pc.com/article.php?46.0

[Ross]

snvpa, I sent the linky to PMS this afternoon. If you still need it, let me know. The proc will run a lot warmer on load after you do the Vc droop mod...that drop of .05-.10V loss on load makes a big diff OC stability and also in temp (especially on longer benches). I am waiting on "the new gas" (a blend from Chilly1 hopefully going out tomorrow) to retune my phase because of it. The unit was originally tuned for ~180W and it's nowhere near enough now.

The Vc droop will likely also raise the actual Vc, so be careful. I am running at 23K on the VR and it definitely got rid of all the droop on SPI (I mean it doesn't move AT ALL), but it still fluctuates a whopping .008Vc on 3D benches. There is also a Vc mod to overvolt it, but I've seen FETs melted right off the board @ 2.00Vc :eek:

I'd try the Vc droop first. It will fix the droop and should at least be able to get you guys somewhere around 1.77Vc max if you're willing to go that far...I personally wouldn't, but then again phase is nowhere near as good as dice/LN2.

[snvpa]

Thanks for the link, I'm sure dan won;t be able to resist trying to break Petes board with the mod, so we should have it up and running for next weekend. What we really need is an I-ram to get on top of the pc mark score list. That alone would get us into the mid 8's and pretty close to #1.

[Ross]

Oh, if it's someone else's board, mods are a lot easier to do :D What PCMark are you running, 04 or 05? I heard 05 is buggy, but most people seem to run it because their OC can't handle 04. 04 is my "stability" tester...if it passes 04, it will definitely pass anything else!

I wasn't really into bench scores except for my own purposes, but XOCer got me going on SPi (and it's going well) and now I actually post the scores...hehe. If I actually had a vid card worth a damn, the scores would probably be pretty good.

[crimedog]

yeah it's fishy's board, i just did the droop mod and it's still alive :D i'll probably borrow 10 bucks from my roommate and get some ice tomorrow...

we were gonna do 04 but we always get an error on the grammer check, pretty lame

as for the tube... there's nothing wrong with it and i'm not a aesthetics person... and no you can't see that it's crooked with the insulation on. but the reason everyone buys from chilly is he's supposed to be the best, if i had plunked down $200 i would have been dissapointed in this tube. don't get me wrong i'm not trying to talk trash (thank you again maxi for the loan, we hope there's an option to buy :)) i just expected a lot from a chilly1 tube is all.

i guess i can take any requests for benchmarks. i'm gonna be running pi 1m, pcmark05, and cpu-z validation haha

[Ross]

That's good news...keep me posted on what happens with the temps after the mod, er, at least if they now go over -35C I guess. What did you set the VR to and what is your actual Vc now compared to what is set?

Chilly1 is just a person, not a robotic welder ;) I am sure he has off days just like the rest of us...

Bench everything :D

[{PMS}fishy]

yeah it's fishy's board, i just did the droop mod and it's still alive :D i'll probably borrow 10 bucks from my roommate and get some ice tomorrow...

You better be kidding or we are going to have a problem.

[Ross]

Uh oh :eek: Is that no permission to do the mod or no dice fun without the owner? :)

[crimedog]

Uh oh :eek: Is that no permission to do the mod or no dice fun without the owner? :)

i think it's no setting records with his hardware :santa:

[crimedog]

stay tuned tonight. we have 14lbs of dry ice, a modded board, and a trick up our sleeves we're going to destroy the orb with tonight (pcmark)...

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

Sweet man, looking foward to the results .. If D94 can do 8.5k in PCmark04, then I cant imagine what a 5ghz 830 would do :drool:

[Ross]

Good luck!! We're all ears (eyes)...

What kind of trick? If it works well, you need to share! My PM is over thatta way <--- :D

[speed bump]

over at XS alot of people are selling there dry ice cntainers to buy mousepts so its a good time for those that are looking.

Nice job on the board hopefully you take down all those x2s on the orb.

[{PMS}fishy]

stay tuned tonight. we have 14lbs of dry ice, a modded board, and a trick up our sleeves we're going to destroy the orb with tonight (pcmark)...

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=129663

See ya AMD. Intel took the top of the ORB tonight.

[speed bump]

Nice I knew you would do it. So whats next?

[crimedog]

Nice I knew you would do it. So whats next?

5.5ghz

[Ross]

That's a slaughter. Is PCMark04 still crashing because that ORB is just full of people waiting to be crushed :)

[{PMS}fishy]

5.5ghz

Oh, its comming.

[9mmCensor]

Two prescott cores eh? So the Dry Ice cooler was stock?

[hUMANbEATbOX]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=129663

See ya AMD. Intel took the top of the ORB tonight.

in your description there it says 14 * 333, that would give you 4662mhz. but it says further down its at 5001mhz. even 15 * 333 would be 4995mhz, so i'm pretty confus0red.

NICE WORK BTW! any chance of a 5.2ghz run? i can't believe those numbers as it stands....

*edit* well, looks like my question about 5.2ghz was already answered :p

[{PMS}fishy]

in your description there it says 14 * 333, that would give you 4662mhz. but it says further down its at 5001mhz. even 15 * 333 would be 4995mhz, so i'm pretty confus0red.

NICE WORK BTW! any chance of a 5.2ghz run? i can't believe those numbers as it stands....

Blame the ORB. It also says I have a 0mb HDD. :rolleyes:

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Blame the ORB. It also says I have a 0mb HDD. :rolleyes:

so...it actually was only at 4662?? wow, you still have LOTS left in that chip ;)

[{PMS}fishy]

Two prescott cores eh? So the Dry Ice cooler was stock?

Intel decided that they needed something to handle the heat.

Stock cooling, in the BIOS was 67c.

[{PMS}fishy]

so...it actually was only at 4662?? wow, you still have LOTS left in that chip ;)

It was 14x333. Not sure to what it works out to, but that is what it was set at.

[crimedog]

i finally got fishy away from it
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/pi2.jpg
much better with the mod :)
thanks ross

[speed bump]

^^^so is Fishy walking around like a crack ***** looking for another hit now? Nice job on superpi, how much tweaking did that involve?

[crimedog]

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=42875

5.5 is done

pi is hardly tweaked, i just set xp sp2 to performance, blah blah, cut services... these chips aren't made for pi

[Ross]

Holy congrats guys!!! 5.5GHz on a dual core and an 830 to boot = VERY nice job :) Are you going to keep going or is Fishy having a heart attack? :)

[Jacobman]

5.5GHz? Is that all? Back in my day we had those at 10Ghz on air, you noobie overclockers.

That is insane!!!!! I wish my 2600 could do that, lol.

[crimedog]

Holy congrats guys!!! 5.5GHz on a dual core and an 830 to boot = VERY nice job :) Are you going to keep going or is Fishy having a heart attack? :)

it's pretty maxed, we need ln2

i'm trying to get 17k in pcmark right now, 4.8something ghz

[Jacobman]

it's pretty maxed, we need ln2

i'm trying to get 17k in pcmark right now, 4.8something ghz

05 or 04?

[crimedog]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=129735
about the best i can do
4866mhz dual core :D

[Daewood]

holy hell... I'm thinking about throwing together an cooler like that in my spare time... just for kicks.

maybe I'll see what my Dothan will do.

[Ross]

Nice score crimedog! LN2 seems like such a pain to work with....maybe a really, really good 3 stage cascade or something ;) I saw Fishy decked out like a hazmat team member...at first I thought he was dressed like that because you were using LN2...LOL.

Speaking of LN2, FUGGER, BB_Mods and Chilly1 got some crazy schniz going on. They have 2 ATI x1800XLs in Crossfire on a P5WD2 with a P4 670 on LN2! I can't wait to see a score on any of those benches :drool:

[{PMS}fishy]

Nice score crimedog! LN2 seems like such a pain to work with....maybe a really, really good 3 stage cascade or something ;) I saw Fishy decked out like a hazmat team member...at first I thought he was dressed like that because you were using LN2...LOL.

Speaking of LN2, FUGGER, BB_Mods and Chilly1 got some crazy schniz going on. They have 2 ATI x1800XLs in Crossfire on a P5WD2 with a P4 670 on LN2! I can't wait to see a score on any of those benches :drool:

I don't think its that bad. If I can borrow a dewer, and get some for cheap, Id be more than willing to give it a try. I saw what fugger and chilly were building, but I don't have room/money/time to do something like that.

Im sure a 3 stage would give us some more, but unless its donated, its not going to happen.

[d94]

Nice score crimedog! LN2 seems like such a pain to work with....maybe a really, really good 3 stage cascade or something ;) I saw Fishy decked out like a hazmat team member...at first I thought he was dressed like that because you were using LN2...LOL.

Speaking of LN2, FUGGER, BB_Mods and Chilly1 got some crazy schniz going on. They have 2 ATI x1800XLs in Crossfire on a P5WD2 with a P4 670 on LN2! I can't wait to see a score on any of those benches :drool:
since when did the p5wd2 support crossfire!?!..man i need to read up

[Ross]

Fishy, I sent the Vc overvolt link to you on XS. Yeah, that's definitely some crazy stuff they have over there. Besides the dewar, I think I would find it a real pain to regulate it. Before I even though about anything like that, I would have to find out where to get it. I don't think you can walk into your local WalMart and pick up a couple liters of LN2...hehe.

d94--
955X chipset has always supported Crossfire, you just need 2 PCIe x16 slots/drivers/BIOS/cards. In fact, you don't even need a Crossfire Master card, just 2 Crossfire-ready cards. A BIOS mod on one Crossfire-ready card can make it work. I don't think it's always guaranteed without a real Master card, but it's definitely been done without one.

[crimedog]

phew that was a lot of benching. next step is ln2 but i know we're gonna kill something with this insulation. i think it's just barely insulated enough for dry ice. but hey, it's fishy's stuff (i'm sure my ram could survive).

hopefully we get a nice 6xx soon and i can have my superpi fun, fishy and snvpa aren't big fans. i need better ram though, grrr.

guess this thread is pretty much done, cool than we've already had 1200 views though!

[Ross]

It's not done ;) People like to look at stuff about fast clocks even if they don't admit it...lol.

Is that board at least conformal coated and DEG on the pins? At least if you do get condensation forming, it won't be in direct contact with anything.

I told Fishy if you guys beat my SPi on the 6xx's you're getting, you are going to "force" me to try dice!

[{PMS}fishy]

It's not done ;) People like to look at stuff about fast clocks even if they don't admit it...lol.

Is that board at least conformal coated and DEG on the pins? At least if you do get condensation forming, it won't be in direct contact with anything.

I told Fishy if you guys beat my SPi on the 6xx's you're getting, you are going to "force" me to try dice!

Conformal coated, DEG? Whats that. ;)

I don't believe in greasing up the MB, Im sure it will bite me in the ass, but so far so good.

There is a bad of grease of the bottom of the CPU, didn't pack the socket, or cover anything. 1/2" thick neoprene under the back plate. Everything looks fine, for now....

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

I cant wait til the LN2 runs / your 830 / a nice 660 / 670 chip, this should be interestnig.

[diehrd]

I always have said Fishy ..Is Da'Man

[snvpa]

Yeah last night was fun. I really wish we had an I-ram though so we could take 05 legit. Were gonna work on getting the ln2 but its not all that easy to get. Fishy's hasmat suit will come in handy for that. Just seeing 5.5 on each core was well worth the drive up last night, let alone the freakishly retarted pcmark score. argh back to reality, class time.

[Ross]

Conformal coated, DEG? Whats that.
Life savers :)

I used silicone conformal on the board since it runs up to, if not more than, 12 hours a day. I have yet to see any condensation actually build up on the board, but I am not running as cold as that AND my "cold" turns off with the PC :) It's when the proc is not running and it's that cold that the condensation will really start forming. Fans blowing on the board around the socket will help reduce condensation too.

Man, I looked all over Austin for dry ice and found maybe 1 supplier on the other side of town that is a manufacturer = probably need an account. I'd probably loose half of it on the drive home anyway :(

[crimedog]

Life savers :)

I used silicone conformal on the board since it runs up to, if not more than, 12 hours a day. I have yet to see any condensation actually build up on the board, but I am not running as cold as that AND my "cold" turns off with the PC :) It's when the proc is not running and it's that cold that the condensation will really start forming. Fans blowing on the board around the socket will help reduce condensation too.

Man, I looked all over Austin for dry ice and found maybe 1 supplier on the other side of town that is a manufacturer = probably need an account. I'd probably loose half of it on the drive home anyway :(

what i'm seeing as far as condensation goes is that we're fine for as long as we keep the tube fed, but once we warm it up and take it off there's condensation everywhere. need to let the board dry out overnight before going again. i think the biggest weakness in the insulation is the plastic mounting plate, it presses down on the bottom insulation but it gets cold itself and the neoprene on the top of the tube doesn't press on it. we definitely had a couple 120mm fans on the board but no so much for condensation lol.

have you checked out this site? http://www.dryicedirectory.com/
where i found my place. i just sent them an email inquiring and he got right back to me telling me it was in pellet forms, $1/lb, and I should just call first if I wanted to place an order.

don't worry ross, if last night was any indication then as soon as i get my hands on a 6xx you're going to be forced to go for dry ice.

[Ross]

Maybe the condensation starts once you remove the fans? I assume you do that before you take the tube off ;) One other thing to try might be cutting up some plastic sheeting (garbage bag or something) and fit it over the mobo. Cut some holes around the socket and the slots you use and place it over the whole mobo.

Yeah, I saw that link when I googled before. There are maybe 2 places doable, but one is further than the other. Of course, if it's $1/LB, I could afford to get a lot and lose some of it, but I really don't know if I would have any place to store 20-30lbs. of the stuff. It's just not exactly around the corner and I don't want to be going out there twice a week for the few weeks I feel like messing with it. Have you tried keeping the dice in a freezer instead of a cooler? I wonder how much longer it would last?

Are you going to get one of the 6xx's today? Good luck on that...I am expecting and really hoping you guys kick my arse :) I see no reason you won't unless mem is a problem, but you should be able to make that up in FSB no problem. Hmm. DDR950 @ 1:1 ratio :eek:

See, if I HAVE to try dice, then I'll need to move the phase to the GPU. Luckily, Chilly1 includes a GPU kit with it. Too bad it's an x700 with no mods :(

[crimedog]

Maybe the condensation starts once you remove the fans? I assume you do that before you take the tube off ;) One other thing to try might be cutting up some plastic sheeting (garbage bag or something) and fit it over the mobo. Cut some holes around the socket and the slots you use and place it over the whole mobo.

Yeah, I saw that link when I googled before. There are maybe 2 places doable, but one is further than the other. Of course, if it's $1/LB, I could afford to get a lot and lose some of it, but I really don't know if I would have any place to store 20-30lbs. of the stuff. It's just not exactly around the corner and I don't want to be going out there twice a week for the few weeks I feel like messing with it. Have you tried keeping the dice in a freezer instead of a cooler? I wonder how much longer it would last?

Are you going to get one of the 6xx's today? Good luck on that...I am expecting and really hoping you guys kick my arse :) I see no reason you won't unless mem is a problem, but you should be able to make that up in FSB no problem. Hmm. DDR950 @ 1:1 ratio :eek:

See, if I HAVE to try dice, then I'll need to move the phase to the GPU. Luckily, Chilly1 includes a GPU kit with it. Too bad it's an x700 with no mods :(

oh man i wish we had some of those mounting plates for gpu!

the first runs we did i bought 15lbs of dry ice around 4pm on friday, put it in a walmart styrofoam cooler and wrapped in a blanket, when we benched sat night around 7pm about 1/3-1/2 had evaporated. if you got a serious cooler you could probably cut away at that dramatically, the bottom of mine got so cold it stuck to the carpet. storing in a freezer is not recommended because the freezer is sealed shut and the pressure should end up blowing the door open.

not sure when we're gonna get a 6xx, but we definitely need a northbridge mod to get above ~370fsb. this ram is good for about ddr920 @ 5-3-3-8 and i really like 1:1 so we'll probably have to mod it. it's too bad you don't have anyone local for dry ice, it makes it a ton easier.

the condensation just forms all over the place, inside the socket etc so plastic bags wont help. we made a funnel from a 30 rack so we didn't spill dry ice or acetone so not really much of a point in a plastic shield.

[Ross]

Email Chilly1, he probably has a ton of those plates. He gets everything made in huge lots, so I am sure he has a couple laying around.

I'd probably buy a real cooler (ie. not styrofoam), which might help a little. I see your point on the freezer, but pressure can't build too fast from the evaporation. If I opened the door every hour or 2, it would probably be OK.

Not that the dry ice places aren't local, but a good 30-45min. each way in off-peak traffic. The problem is I'd have to go through downtown to get there and back and if I get caught in traffic, it could turn out to be a 1-1.5 hour drive one way *cough*.

I saw the mousepots last night...real nice. Probably way too pricey for just messing around. Chilly's might be a little pricey too, but he uses the same evap head from the phase units, which is probably most of the cost and if they're cheaper than the Mousepots, I am all about that.

If you're going to do the Vmch mod, you might as well do the Vddr while you're at it. The Mushkin love voltage...I mean even if I don't change FSB/ratio, if I increase the voltage to them, my SPi's get better ;)

Wow, that's a lot of moisture, but I guess it was also raining (ie. more humid), which could help that along. I guess at those temps though, there's probably not much you can do to stop it...just protect against it. I've seen a lot of vid cards that just totally freeze over (the entire card). At least there's no pins to worry about on the processor, LOL.

Where's the foggy pics? :)

[g0dM@n]

I always have said Fishy ..Is Da'Man
You're just in love...

[crimedog]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/dry%20ice/100_0445Large.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/dry%20ice/100_0444Large.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/dry%20ice/100_0441Large.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/dry%20ice/100_0455Large.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/dry%20ice/100_0458Large.jpg

[crimedog]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/dry%20ice/100_0452Large.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/dry%20ice/100_0456Large.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/dry%20ice/100_0459Large.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/kjrulz/dry%20ice/100_0436Large.jpg
^this was the first runs we did, note dual raptors and poor setup

[Ross]

Nice dice ;) Are you guys doing anything else tonight or is everything on hold til a 6xx shows up?

[dylskee]

I hope all those beers are empty sitting next to all the expensive electronics! :eek: :D Where are you guys doing this in Boston or Connecticut? If you need any help disposing of those beers i can stop by and help you guys out. :p

[{PMS}fishy]

Nice dice ;) Are you guys doing anything else tonight or is everything on hold til a 6xx shows up?

Waiting for a 650 & 660.

[{PMS}fishy]

I hope all those beers are empty sitting next to all the expensive electronics! :eek: :D Where are you guys doing this in Boston or Connecticut? If you need any help disposing of those beers i can stop by and help you guys out. :p

Vernon CT.

Where abouts in MA are you?

[dylskee]

Vernon CT.

Where abouts in MA are you?

I'm in Auburn MA, a couple miles south of Worcester. Are you done with the 830 now, i see your waiting on some 6xx series now?? Thats one sick setup you got there!!

[{PMS}fishy]

I'm in Auburn MA, a couple miles south of Worcester. Are you done with the 830 now, i see your waiting on some 6xx series now?? Thats one sick setup you got there!!

Ah, yeah, I know where that is, I use to live over there.

Maybe next time Ill met you at your place and we can head to the Damninals.

[crimedog]

i just did the following mods with read points to my board in one sitting:
vcore
droop mod for core
MCH vdd
ddr2 vdd

... AND IT'S ALIVE!

to celebrate i'm going to beat on a cpu, not sure when though :)

[Ross]

That's always a stressful moment, hitting that switch on the PSU and looking for the light and then the PWR switch on the case :D Nice job!

Chilly1 was late sending out my gas, so it looks like maybe this weekend at the earliest before I can try any further :(

[hitokiri_808]

Thats friggin sweet :drool:

[{PMS}fishy]

That's always a stressful moment, hitting that switch on the PSU and looking for the light and then the PWR switch on the case :D Nice job!

Chilly1 was late sending out my gas, so it looks like maybe this weekend at the earliest before I can try any further :(

How much was it, and how much did you get?

[Ross]

Chilly's got the best customer support in the biz :D Not only that, he shipped it today overnight...he is SO "da man".

A "tube"...I think he said enough to do a recharge, but we're only talking about a fine tune on the current charge.

[Yeormom]

What's the deal with Pentium D's bounching between 14 and 15x mutlipliers? Running Asus P5WD2 automatic settings, my processor bounces back and forth between 2800mhz and 3010mhz...I've messed with the bios settings where it should keep the voltage from changing but CPUZ reports nothing but bounce bounce.

[crimedog]

What's the deal with Pentium D's bounching between 14 and 15x mutlipliers? Running Asus P5WD2 automatic settings, my processor bounces back and forth between 2800mhz and 3010mhz...I've messed with the bios settings where it should keep the voltage from changing but CPUZ reports nothing but bounce bounce.

at idle it'll run 14x to use less power and produce less heat. you can disable it in bios (sorry forgot the name of the setting) but it's nothing to worry about.

[Shelnutt2]

(sorry forgot the name of the setting)

ISST

Intel Speed Step Technology.

[Yeormom]

The speed stepping? I disabled that one~

[Ross]

Make sure C1E is disabled too and if you are using AI Booster to watch the clocks, FORGET IT. It's flakey and flips back/forth between 14x/default multi even when everything is set properly and that seems especially true on dual cores. Stick to CPU-Z for Vc and clock monitoring...

[Yeormom]

That did it~ thanks. Impressive memory speeds there too. I'll have to mess around with my Mushkin XP-6400 sometime.

[{PMS}fishy]

ISST

Intel Speed Step Technology.

EIST if you want to get techincial.

[Ross]

Enhanced Intel StepStep Technology :D

I'll have to mess around with my Mushkin XP-6400 sometime.The Mushkin is awesome memory, but that speed in my sig took "a little" more voltage than a stock mobo would run ;)

[Shelnutt2]

EIST if you want to get techincial.

ISST close enough.

[Ross]

Chilly1 was late sending out my gas, so it looks like maybe this weekend at the earliest before I can try any furtherI got my gas this morning and messed around with this thing almost all afternoon and got pretty much nowhere. Why? It was about as good as it was going to get already :(

I tuned at 385FSB/1.65Vc and can load it up for enough capacity to hold that no problem, but not at temps really good enough to do anything with at the proc, so I put it back pretty much where it was.

I have half a mind to tune for a lower Vc (like 1.525V) and see if a lot colder/less Vc is better than warmer/higher Vc. I really just need something that can handle the capacity without increasing the temps (increased capacity & decreased temps would be a lot better ;) When I called him today, he told me he recently finished a single stage that cracked -80C and my first thought was he needs to finish up another one and send it my way :D

So, no miracles happened today...you guys will be free to kick my arse in SPi when you get the 600 in there on dice ;)

[{PMS}fishy]

Sounds like you need to tweak the cap tube.

[Ross]

Chilly built the unit and the cap tube is probably a little more along the lines for the 180W. One thing I did notice is that the excess is coiled up near the suction and awfully close (~1/4") to the compressor body (= HOT). I tried shielding it with some armaflex, but that didn't help. I guess I could ask how long he made the cap, but I'll have something in the works this or next week that has a lot more capacity and runs lot colder :D

[hkh]

How are you guys cooling the north bridge, or are you at all, I heard the heatsink gets hot at stock speeds?

[{PMS}fishy]

How are you guys cooling the north bridge, or are you at all, I heard the heatsink gets hot at stock speeds?

Haven't done a thing to it.

[crimedog]

How are you guys cooling the north bridge, or are you at all, I heard the heatsink gets hot at stock speeds?

it gets right hot but with some airflow it stays ambient :)

[g0dM@n]

right hot or red hot, crimecat?

[Ross]

I pilfered a 50mm fan out of a HDD cooler and stuck it on the stock sink. I was contemplating either the new Swiftech all-copper NB cooler or a Mircocool, but I think anything short of water really isn't going to be much better than stock+fan.

1.80V + 385FSB = kinda warm, but certainly not hot enough to burn you if you touch the sink near the base. I was actually looking for my ancient Lian T3 temp gauges today to do some tests on it to see just how much it moves with voltage/FSB. Then maybe I'll get a "better" cooler and see what it does or doesn't do ;)

[orionlion82]

i know im deadthreading, but i hear its tricky to get an i-ram...
if you dont allready know where to get them, they are supposedly available here...
http://www.geekstuff4u.com/index.php?cPath=34_57
least i could do, great work!

[3DFlyer]

I pilfered a 50mm fan out of a HDD cooler and stuck it on the stock sink. I was contemplating either the new Swiftech all-copper NB cooler or a Mircocool, but I think anything short of water really isn't going to be much better than stock+fan.

1.80V + 385FSB = kinda warm, but certainly not hot enough to burn you if you touch the sink near the base. I was actually looking for my ancient Lian T3 temp gauges today to do some tests on it to see just how much it moves with voltage/FSB. Then maybe I'll get a "better" cooler and see what it does or doesn't do ;)


Ross, modify a phase evap to put on your NB! hahahaha Me and Xtreme has a running joke about that.

I was being silly on AIM one night and said "Naw, you need little phase evaps on each one of you mosfets, and your NB, and you need another 10GB of RAM, and once you get the cooling sorted, then you can OC to 20Ghz and be a SuP3rL33t uberCl0xx0r!" LOL

He was talking about his mosfets getting pretty hot, and then I got silly. :)

I tell 'ya though, it might be an idea if we keep pushing these things up there. I'm actually surprised the NB doesn't just pop.

[Mendax]

wtf is he talking about?
AMD guy, what do you expect?! ;)

[Ross]

3D, LOL. I am getting a bigger compressor that could probably cool the CPU, the NB, a Crossfire setup and the house :D J/K

I've seen dice on NBs before and was thinking about putting a water loop back in just for it, but in all honesty, it I don't think it warrants either. I did a lot of testing on NB temps and even with the stock P5WD2 sink on it and a crappy 50mm fan, it doesn't get over 50C with 1.85V and 350FSB after 10 min. on a seriously intensive CPU/mem bench (2 instances of ParticleFury).

50C sounds warm, but unless I am reading Intel's spec sheet wrong, the thermal spec on the 955 chip is a whopping 105C. If i pop a 120mm fan in front of the mem/NB sink with the 50mm on it, it drops the max temps down another 4-5C. That doesn't mean that even cooler wouldn't be better, but unless you're looking for like 450FSB all day long, I think a simple active cooler or WC would suffice. If you're using a HSF on the CPU, you probably don't need to do anything with the NB.

Yeah, I'd be more worried about the mosfet sink, but even it isn't even as bad as I thought. I did measurement on that thing a long time ago and it got pretty warm, IIRC, not over 60C without any fan on the CPU.

[3DFlyer]

A nice 10HP "Burger King" unit will probably be enough! :santa:

[Ross]

Well, a 1HP anyway ;)

[crimedog]

Well, a 1HP anyway ;)

holy crap! you getting an autocascade?

[Ross]

:shrug: I can't say...I promised that I wouldn't let any cats out of the bag, but suffice it to say, it will take care of my capacity problem :D

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Intel 830 @ 5555mhz

i just wanted to restate how nice that looks. 5555mhz...

next up is 6666mhz...get on it!

[JCLW]

I've got the 3333mhz covered with my 830. http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2241/iconredface7nd.gif

I'll go for 4444 when I get my watercooling up.

[El<(')>Maxi]

This Chilly tube was shipped to me from Hong Kong and dropped at some point along the way, thus the slight damage to the base causing it to not sit straight up. I'm sure it was fine off of his bench.

I missed this thread (Intel section ;)), nice going guys :D

[crimedog]

This Chilly tube was shipped to me from Hong Kong and dropped at some point along the way, thus the slight damage to the base causing it to not sit straight up. I'm sure it was fine off of his bench.

I missed this thread (Intel section ;)), nice going guys :D

LOL good to know, thanks :)

[{PMS}fishy]

This Chilly tube was shipped to me from Hong Kong and dropped at some point along the way, thus the slight damage to the base causing it to not sit straight up. I'm sure it was fine off of his bench.

I missed this thread (Intel section ;)), nice going guys :D

Eh, it was messed up, but it did the trick.

Thanks.

[Sir Lancelot]

I have one of those that gives me 4.1GHz air cooled, stock voltage...What should I expect if I put it under phase change coling....let's say, a Prometeia...?



Thankx

[mjgent]

I have one of those that gives me 4.1GHz air cooled, stock voltage...What should I expect if I put it under phase change coling....let's say, a Prometeia...?



ThankxDepending on what type of phase change (stock, modified, cascade) I've seen over 5ghz.

[Ross]

He said Prommie, but unmodified, I don't think 5GHz could be run for very long, but you never know. Once you start upping FSB and Vc, dual cores need something with a lot of capacity for load. You might screenie some 5GHz or a little over, but you'd need a modified Prommie or a cascade to probably run loads for any length of time @ 5GHz+.

[mjgent]

He said Prommie, but unmodified, I don't think 5GHz could be run for very long, but you never know. Once you start upping FSB and Vc, dual cores need something with a lot of capacity for load. You might screenie some 5GHz or a little over, but you'd need a modified Prommie or a cascade to probably run loads for any length of time @ 5GHz+.
Whoops. Sorry, I don't know how I missed that. Listen to Ross he knows his stuff especially on phase.

[Ross]

You had the right answer pretty much...I was just being a little more specific between OC for a screenie and running it do anything ;) I don't know squat compared to a lot of people, but I have definitely learned a lot since I started playing with phase ;)

[mjgent]

You had the right answer pretty much...I was just being a little more specific between OC for a screenie and running it do anything ;) I don't know squat compared to a lot of people, but I have definitely learned a lot since I started playing with phase ;)Hey, you know more on phase than me. :)