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Romano3490
10-12-05, 07:09 PM
Hi guys, I've been bodybuilding for about 4 months now with excellent results. I am currently 5'11 160lbs with 8% body fat. I am still growing at only 16yrs old.

When I started, I was less than 130lbs and I could barely bench 95lbs. Most of my lifts have doubled in this short time frame. I attribute this amazing progress to my knowledge behind training, supplementing, nutrition, etc.

I see a lot of questions on here asking about how to get bigger. Most of the time the answers are very misinforming. I decided to write a guide with basically everything you need to know. First, I'll start with the basics.

Nutrition is key. You won't get anywhere if you eat junk food. Its pretty easy to eat healthier. Try to get the most protein possible. I go for 1.5g protein per 1lb of body weight. Of course, you can take some protein powder to achieve this if you want. A good split for your total intake is 40% protein, 40% carbs, and 20% fats. Avoid trans fat and poly unsaturated fats found in fast food. Also, water is extremely important. I drink at least 1 gallon a day.

Next up is the training. Most people think you need to overtrain to get bigger. All you really have to do is train for 30 minutes 2-3 times per week. The secret is to increase your weight or reps each workout. If you are going for mass, I suggest heavy weight and 6-8 reps. Do each exercise for 3 sets.

For a good split, I recommend: Upper body, rest 2 days, Lower Body, rest 2 days, repeat. Rest is essential for getting stronger. Try to get about 7-8 hours of sleep a night if possible.

A more advanced split would be a 3 day like Mon, Wed, Fri. I do back/biceps, Chest/Triceps, Legs/Shoulders/Abs.

As far as exercies go, I am shocked at what I see in the gym usually. Remember to keep it simple. If you are a beginner, avoid most isolation exercises. You always see the puny kids doing curls every time they are in the gym because they want big biceps. This is the wrong way to go about it.

I suggest you do Squats, Bench Press, Deadlift, Pullups, and Dips. You don't really need any more than this if you are a beginner. After a few weeks, you might want to throw in calf raises and barbell curls.

Concentrate on proper form. Don't worry about what the other people in the gym think. We all have to start somewhere. I am assuming you know how to do all the exercises above, if not you can go here. http://www.theministryoffitness.com/exercises.htm You will make really quick progress, believe me.

Everyone always wants to try supplements. This is one of my best fields, and they have helped me greatly. Remember that you need a good diet first though.

The 4 supplements that I almost always recommend are:

Whey Protein Powder
Creatine Ehtyl Ester
Fish Oil
Multi Vitamin

You don't need any fancy No2 supplements or anything. It kills me when people go into GNC and spend $100's. I buy all my stuff in bulk from www.bodybuilding.com I highly recommend that you check them out if you want to buy something, or need information. Their forums are good too.

Whey protein is simple enough. You need protein to grow. It cost about $20 for 5lbs of it. I take 1-2 teaspoons of the following daily.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/whey.html

Creatine is very popular. It is a natural supplement that gives great results. It is mainly used for muscle fullness. It works great for me. I put on 10lbs of LBM in the first 3 weeks and increased my lifts by 5-15lbs. Monohydrate is what 95% of the people use. The problem with that is that it has poor absorbtion rates. Therefore, it sits outside the muscle while collecting water which causes bloating. You lose most of the waterweight when you stop taking it anyway. Ethyl Ester is what I recommend. It has a transporter attached which gives it great absorbtion. You don't get any bloating or water weight and you get the same results if not better. It is about $20 for a 4 month supply. I take 1/2 teaspoon before working out and after. 3/4 teaspoon once on off days.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/ester.html

Then we have fish oil. Don't underrate this. It has essantial Omega 3 fatty acids. It is mainly for overall health. My whole family takes it now and loves it. It lowers your cholestrol, improves joints, among many other good side effects. It will also give you a minor boost in strength. I think a test showed 8% gains. Not much, but this stuff is great. It is very cheap and I take about 4-5 a day. Here is what I use:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/fish.html

You pretty much need a multivitamin. They are necessary for overall health and can give you nice gains. Look for one with NO IRON and plenty of Zinc, Vitamin C, Vitamin B, Magnesium, and selenium with as little calcium as possible. Now Adam is a great vitamin but a little expensive. Winfuel Men's is also good and very cheap.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/adam.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/win/men.html

After that, you are into the advanced stuff which I don't know if you are ready for yet. The only things I would consider are

Taurine
Glycerol Mono
Sesamin
Green Tea Extract

L-Taurine is one of the main amino acids found in Type 2 muscle. Supplementing with it will give you a little bit more fullness like Creatine, more energy, and faster recovery. It is dirt cheap at $7 for a 3 month supply. Take about the same amount as you do creatine.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/taurine.html

Glycerol Monostearate is a newly found supplement. All it is, is a syrupy type of sugar really. The powdered form is just called gylcerol instead of glycerine. It has similar effects to NO2, but at 1/10 the price. It will give you huge pumps for about 3 hours. I take it before working out for insane energy and before the beach for some looks. It is safe to take about 1 teaspoon before working out. Make sure you take a lot of water. The only site that sells it is:

http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=196

Sesamin is mainly for weight loss. It is kind of like super fish oil. I don't take it, but it seems to have great results. I don't know much about it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sv/ses.html

Grean Tea gives so many benefits. It is mainly used for weight loss though. My mom takes it, but I don't since I have virtually no body fat already.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/gtea.htm

I can guarantee you that those aren't steroids or anything even close. However, don't hold me accountable if something goes wrong. Especially, the advanced stuff. Make sure you research it first. www.bodybuiliding.com gives extensive information about each supplement. If you still aren't sure, ask on theri forums or post here. Consult your doctor as necessary and be careful if you have blood pressure, heart, kidney, liver problems.

I'll update the guide as necessary and maybe get a few pics up of myself. Please let me know what you thought. I'll answer any questions you have. Thanks for your time. Good luck with your training!

maxxoverclocker
10-12-05, 07:57 PM
seems like a pretty good guide, only thing i found funny is for some reason all my friends associate Creatine with steroids lmao... makes for some funny jokes

deRusett
10-12-05, 08:25 PM
Well done, lots to read,

though your recommendations are biased toward what has worked for you,

My work out routine is

Mon - Arms
Tues - Back
wed - Chest
thurs -Legs
Fri - Shoulders.

you are still getting what is knows on bb.com as "noobie" growth, especially since you jumped into working out with supps before you had a base line, which would give you larger growth.

I have been working out on and Off for about 10 years, up until recently though it has been about strength and not size because my sport of choice in high school was Wrestling, so my weight had to be maintained.



For a New Person I would suggest a 3 day split vs a 2 day split,
Day 1, Chest/ Shoulders
Day 2, Rest
Day 3 Legs
Day 4 rest
Day 5 Back / Arms,

You'll find on a good leg day you will also work your back, Not being on Supplements you will find it harder to work your full upper body equally.

I agree with staying away from Isolated exercises if you are just looking to Bulk up, but most people who are not into Body building are looking for Size increase while maintaining or gaining definition or the dreaded word in Body Building, Tone. you'll Need a combination of Isolated and compound movements to achieve this.

Pull ups are very challenging for a beginner, Pull downs are much easier to start and develop Lats to be able to achieve a pull up, Bicep Curls, to get the strength in your arms to get the Pull up done, you should not exclude the pull up, but have other exercises to Aid in your pull up abilities.

Dips Can be very hard on your shoulders, this is a Major caution for anyone starting out, be slow and careful, isolated arm work outs are much nicer on your joints then compound movements, but Body Mass comes from Compound movements.


The Squat is KING, Best Leg work out you can do is Free weight Squats, NOT smith Machine Squats, And not Leg Press, they are not nearly as good as Free Range squats. there are many schools of thought about what the Range of Motion of a squat should be, there is , Parallel squatting which is your thighs being Parallel to the ground, there are ATG squats, ATG standing for A** to Grass, these should be done with caution, they are my squat of choice since they incorporate the most muscles, but they can be very hard on the knees. not something for a new person to try, then you have the squat in the middle, your thighs should just pass Parallel, with your butt being just below the knees, I use a Basket Ball on the ground for this, lower till my butt hits the ball then slowly push up, never bounce off the ball ( well never until your last rep as a cheat rep ;) ).

Deadlifts, Are Mass builders through and through, and are not to be taken lightly, they can really wreck your back, but I love them, there are 4 different styles of deadlift
Bar Bell Deadlift (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBDeadlift.html)
Barbell Straight Leg Deadlift (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Hamstrings/BBStraightLegDeadlift.html)
Barbell Stiff Leg Deadlift (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBStiffLegDeadlift.html)
And there are Sumo Deadlifts which have not been added to the site I listed.

I do the first 3, not a fan of the sumo.


I will agree with Form being the most important, Form is more important than weight 9 out of 10 times. ( the 10th being the cheat rep ) drop your weight and use proper form, I have corrected so many people in my gym using dangerous form, sloppy form, I'll ignore, but the number of people who put them selves in danger is astounding, if you know physics, google Bio mechanics, you'll pick up the basics in no time, I did many a bio mech project in University for Kinesiologist friends. learned much about lifting from that.

One thing Anyone will notice once you start working out is, that works for you, will not work for everyone, and what worked for your buddy, might be slowing your growth, mix up your work outs, see what feels good, and don't hurt your self for pride.

ajrettke
10-12-05, 09:20 PM
Good stuff, I've been doing this for about 2.5 years...on and off cuz the army stuff gets in the way...but from what I've read you do pretty much exactly as I do.

Also 4 months is a very short time...It's great that your getting results...but for most people don't expect results until 6+ months (and results don't mean all of a sudden your ripped...it's a slow progression, but over the course of a year I went from flabby to incredibly lean and actualy got hoot and hollas at the beach (was a first time for me :p)

Some things to highlight in his post:
40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fat (in calories not grams...remember 1g of protein or 1g of carbs is 4 calories, and 1g of fat is 9)

FOCUS ON FORM...no one really cares how much you can lift....and people think less of you if your lifting a lot with terrible form than if it's a lot less with good form)

Other tips of mine,
get enough sleep...it's important.
if your goal is to lose weight, dieting is more important
creatine is safe, show me any study which shows a negative side effect of creatine WHICH HAS BEEN REPLICATED. (other than dehydration....which goes onto my last tip)
Drink lots of water, put a gallon of water in a jug next to your desk at work or at your computer and just drink a gulp everytime ya think about it.

Frodo Baggins
10-12-05, 09:24 PM
here are ATG squats, ATG standing for A** to Grass, these should be done with caution, they are my squat of choice since they incorporate the most muscles, but they can be very hard on the knees. not something for a new person to try,

ATG squats exert less pressure on the knees. I'm not a kinesiologist so I can't go into the details, but basically this should be obvious. Going parallel requires you to stop your motion at a place that puts a lot of stress on your knees. ATG only requires you to lower yourself (negative portion) to the bottom.

Parallel squats are the most abused exercise I see at the gym. The problem is that very few people go to parallel. I've seen some guys smaller than me do 300 lbs squats x 8 reps going down maybe 45 degrees instead of 90.

When I started squatting, I was doing parallel squats and I had very inconsistent gains. The reason why was that it's very difficult to judge how low you go each workout. Some weeks you may go lower than some other weeks. I changed to ATG squats, and had to take off a fair amount of weight (at the time, about 210 lbs down to 170 lbs), but I've seen much more consistent gains in the long run -- Tuesday's ATG squat this week was 315 lbs x 4...all the way to the ground!

Romano3490
10-12-05, 09:45 PM
Thanks for the great comments. deRusett, I actually do a 3 day split. I edited it into my post. ajrettke, glad you caught that about the calories.

I'll admit, I am a little bit biased towards what worked for me. Just listen to your body. eg: If you triceps hurt, don't workout with them that day. My guide was mainly about bulking up since I don't have any experience with cutting. Probably the only good thing about being an ectomorph is not gaining much fat.

As for squats, I go slightly below parallel. Not quite ATG. I might try to incorporate them later on when I have a better base.

deRusett
10-12-05, 11:31 PM
ATG squats exert less pressure on the knees. I'm not a kinesiologist so I can't go into the details, but basically this should be obvious. Going parallel requires you to stop your motion at a place that puts a lot of stress on your knees. ATG only requires you to lower yourself (negative portion) to the bottom.

Parallel squats are the most abused exercise I see at the gym. The problem is that very few people go to parallel. I've seen some guys smaller than me do 300 lbs squats x 8 reps going down maybe 45 degrees instead of 90.

When I started squatting, I was doing parallel squats and I had very inconsistent gains. The reason why was that it's very difficult to judge how low you go each workout. Some weeks you may go lower than some other weeks. I changed to ATG squats, and had to take off a fair amount of weight (at the time, about 210 lbs down to 170 lbs), but I've seen much more consistent gains in the long run -- Tuesday's ATG squat this week was 315 lbs x 4...all the way to the ground!


maybe I should have stressed, ALL squats can be hard on the knees, ATG squats are hard because , when you pass parallel, you are now putting the pressure on your knee joint in an opposite direction then it is used to ( pulling away)

Romano3490
10-15-05, 03:18 PM
bump

thorilan
10-15-05, 07:59 PM
tell us about L lysine =)

I attribute this amazing progress to my knowledge behind training, supplementing, nutrition, etc.

i attribute it to you being 16 lol

some of us old folks now require dhea



Grean Tea gives so many benefits. It is mainly used for weight loss though. My mom takes it, but I don't since I have virtually no body fat already.

green tea is an anti oxident . people do not drink it for its cafiene value.

btw overtraining isnt always bad.
for instance your abs are the one muscle in hte entire body that can fully recover in less than 21 hours and can be trained every day IF you are not bulking them up ( very few people actualy seek to bulk up abs)

disk11
10-15-05, 09:29 PM
Couple of questions/observations:

Won't 1 gallon of water a day mess up your kidneys?

I also heard you loose strength if you get off of creatine.

thorilan
10-15-05, 09:43 PM
lol
water cleans the kidneys by flushing them . ther ein the past 20 years have only been 2 cases of people drinking to much water and dieing and i was present at ft benning gorgia at RIP ( ranger indoctrination program) when one of them happened.

you litterally have to drink sooooo much water and burn so much energy that you completely flush your electrolytes which is increadably hard to do. .

you do loose some hydralic strenght when you get off creatine . the amount of loss depends on how much and the quality of the creatine you where taking.

if you taper off on the back side of a down cycle there is almost no loss at all.

the thing to rememebr is almost nobody gets completely off creatine because it occures natureally . if you tend to eat a lot of beef you are not actualy quiting creatine

drenader
10-16-05, 04:41 PM
green tea is an anti oxident . people do not drink it for its cafiene value.




Actually, green tea is used for both purposes. Coffee and Green Tea are both anti oxidents used for their cafiene value. I have read a few workout sites, and many advocate green tea.

Romano3490
10-17-05, 07:46 PM
L-Lysine is an essential amino acid. This means you have to get it through food because your body can't produce it. You can find it in legumes, fish, dairy, and meat. It is primarily used to treat herpes and cold sores, but is starting to be used by athletes.

Its main notable function is its ability to help in the absorbtion of calcium. Lysine works like other essential amino acids to maintain growth, lean body mass, and the body's store of nitrogen.

Correct me if I am wrong.