which DSL company would I want?

[Warlord2]

out of these

CAL Internet Services ($109),
Adtel Communications ($145),
NextOasis ($69),
BritSys Inc. ($69),
TAGSPEED.COM ($89),
TFBnet ($59),
INCONNECT.COM ($113),

all are 768/384 and Im reported my dslreports to be 11040 feet
away from he CO

I dont wanna pay over $70 unless I know its a VERY good service

if I wanted speed and dependability wich one should I get?

[Warlord2]

bump

nobody like me anymore=[

what are your thoughts on thim?
and if anyone has any experience with a company please speek up


just wanted to say this is for adsl

[YMAN]

Originally posted by Warlord2
bump

nobody like me anymore=[

what are your thoughts on thim?
and if anyone has any experience with a company please speek up


just wanted to say this is for adsl

Sorry about that.

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I have not heard of ANY of those!!!
I use Bellsouth DSL, It is SUPER FAST
I normally get 1.5MBPS downloads is the
server on the other end is that fast! :)
And I only pay $45 for it!
- I got some equipment and put it on 2 comps, :) :) :)

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Another one I use is COVAD they seem to be running
good.

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I have one question for you!!!
Where did you get these ones for $100+ dollars???
You sayed ADSL dident you? - In my opinion thats way
to much even that one for $89, and even the ones for $69!!!
As stated I only pay $45 for mine.
Some people are just taking advantage of us! :mad:

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There was a site somewhere that listed all the
popular ones in your area, I will see if I can dig it up.

[YMAN]

I found the site:

http://webservices.cnet.com/prequal/

Put in the information and tell us what providers it lists.

[Warlord2]

man I sure wish dsl in my area is that cheap

I got all of these a www.dslreports.com

I was going to go with britsys for $69 but I heard that it wont be very good for gaming because the main station is so far away

next choise was tfbnet so I e-mailed thim

they said there price changed to $79!!!!!!

ok that is way too much and I dont know where there main station is and how good the line is

I really want to make sure its a good connecting because its on a 12 month contract and I know nobody that uses dsl in my town
:(
so Im stuck all the other places are too expensive

I just went to that site you gave me and the cheapest is $139 at 416 d/l and 416 u/l and Im 17952 away from the co:(

[YMAN]

Why do you need a contract?
I do not beleive I have one.

[YMAN]

Try Covad,
Click the link and to the right of the page put in your info,
You are a home right - so select home.

http://www.covad.com/

[Warlord2]

nope Covad wont give me service

Im waiting for earthlinkdsl to see if they will give me service

I also just remembered that my friend who live just a couple blocks from me said a dsl service called him so Im going ask him wich one called him as soon as he gets home

[YMAN]

Ok, keep us posted

[joey_rjm5]

Why not cable?

[YMAN]

1) Cable is shared
2) Cable is Insecure
3) Cable will become slower as more people in your area sighn up
4) These are reason enough not to get cable

Dsl Is MUCH better, especially if you play online games.
If you are just having it to surf the web I would agree that cable is ok.
Most people want cable because it is normally cheaper. But
dont go for the cheap. Why, Because you will get cheap, unstable
gameplay, and Cheap, lousy service.

*Alot of people are beginning to learn this the hard way!
- Cable Internet is a bad choice.

[Warlord2]

those 3 things that you just said are happining to me EVERY day=|

thats why I want dsl



update

my friend said pacbell called him so I will give thim a call Monday to see if its in my area

[YMAN]

I have not heard any complaints from there service.

[klosters64a]

From what I hear about Earthlink, avoid 'em. I would avoid a 12 month contract, period. Because the co. you sign it with may go TU, or be bought out by another company that changes the rules, rates, access speed, availability, etc--snap, just like that. If they require a 12 month contract it may mean that they're a lousy outfit from day one. And if they are, you're in trouble with a year long commitment!

[Maddman]

Originally posted by YMAN
1) Cable is shared
2) Cable is Insecure
3) Cable will become slower as more people in your area sighn up
4) These are reason enough not to get cable

Dsl Is MUCH better, especially if you play online games.
If you are just having it to surf the web I would agree that cable is ok.
Most people want cable because it is normally cheaper. But
dont go for the cheap. Why, Because you will get cheap, unstable
gameplay, and Cheap, lousy service.

*Alot of people are beginning to learn this the hard way!
- Cable Internet is a bad choice.

DSL has it's share of problems as well.
1. DSL is harder to share over a network
2. A lot of electrical apliances can cause line noise and slow or prevent a connection.
3. Further away from the central office you are the slower the connection
4. If you are to far away from the central office you can't get a connection.

Cable may slow down more then DSL under a load but DSL has a lot of situations that are just stoppers to getting a connection.

[YMAN]

Originally posted by Maddman


DSL has it's share of problems as well.
1. DSL is harder to share over a network
2. A lot of electrical apliances can cause line noise and slow or prevent a connection.
3. Further away from the central office you are the slower the connection
4. If you are to far away from the central office you can't get a connection.

Cable may slow down more then DSL under a load but DSL has a lot of situations that are just stoppers to getting a connection.

Guss What,
You say DSL is harder to share over a network?
I have my ADSL shared easily and I can put up to 128 computers
no problom!

You say electrical appliances cause noise?
They can, But the Phone cables in appartments and houses
were wired so that this will not happen, If you were going to
use cat 5 cable to share computers, Cat 5 is SUPER excellent at
stoping noise.

Further away from the central office the slower the connection?
Its the same with cable, and remember my post, THE LINE IS
SHARED! You will not get a fast connection when it is shared
with 100s of people! :D

If you are too far from the central office you cannot get a
connection?
CORRECT! you are finaly right at somthing, you cannot be more
than 3 miles away, but do you know what a HUB does?
They put HUBs al-over there networks to boost the signal!
Besides everyone is close to a hub if DSL is available in your
area, How elts would you have a phone period?
Most People are within 3 miles from a Central location as well!

Is there anything elts to debate about?
I see DSL is winning. :p

[rugby]

Originally posted by Maddman


DSL has it's share of problems as well.
1. DSL is harder to share over a network
2. A lot of electrical apliances can cause line noise and slow or prevent a connection.
3. Further away from the central office you are the slower the connection
4. If you are to far away from the central office you can't get a connection.

Cable may slow down more then DSL under a load but DSL has a lot of situations that are just stoppers to getting a connection.


Not quite. Dsl is no harder to share than cable. I haven't experienced any "noise", but I suppose if you put a microwave, stereo, and a car in the room it might slow it down some. Cable is just as distance sensitive as dsl is. If it wasn't, everyone could get it.

[rugby]

Originally posted by YMAN
1) Cable is shared
2) Cable is Insecure
3) Cable will become slower as more people in your area sighn up
4) These are reason enough not to get cable

Dsl Is MUCH better, especially if you play online games.
If you are just having it to surf the web I would agree that cable is ok.
Most people want cable because it is normally cheaper. But
dont go for the cheap. Why, Because you will get cheap, unstable
gameplay, and Cheap, lousy service.

*Alot of people are beginning to learn this the hard way!
- Cable Internet is a bad choice.

Ummm......cable is no more insecure than dsl. Sure, being on a switched network is a little more insecure, but when people run portscans they usually use IP addresses. My buddy has a cable modem in a very big Chicago suburb and his downloads are twice a T1 line usually all day and all night. Cable they can just throw more bandwidth to make it faster.

[YMAN]

Originally posted by rugby


Ummm......cable is no more insecure than dsl. Sure, being on a switched network is a little more insecure, but when people run portscans they usually use IP addresses. My buddy has a cable modem in a very big Chicago suburb and his downloads are twice a T1 line usually all day and all night. Cable they can just throw more bandwidth to make it faster.

I have seen my share of insecurity with cable!
DSL IS ONE OF THE MOST SECURE FORMS OF INTERNET!
THATS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS DSL WAS INTENDED FOR!
NOT SPEED!
However thay were able to get adsl up to 1.5-1.8Mbps

You say T1, how fast is a T1 in your opinion?
Full Speed Cable can no where near meet the
bandwith of a FULL T1!
However FULL speed of cable can get about 2x faster
than aDSL.

Rugby, Madman... I can understand your protests if you have
cable BUT, you must face the facts. Many people do not know
them.
- DSL is one incredibly better deal than cable.

[Maddman]

Originally posted by YMAN


I have seen my share of insecurity with cable!
DSL IS ONE OF THE MOST SECURE FORMS OF INTERNET!
THATS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS DSL WAS INTENDED FOR!
NOT SPEED!
However thay were able to get adsl up to 1.5-1.8Mbps

You say T1, how fast is a T1 in your opinion?
Full Speed Cable can no where near meet the
bandwith of a FULL T1!
However FULL speed of cable can get about 2x faster
than aDSL.

Rugby, Madman... I can understand your protests if you have
cable BUT, you must face the facts. Many people do not know
them.
- DSL is one incredibly better deal than cable.

I work in tech support for a DSL company.

I do have cable at home. I am getting between 2Mbps and 3Mbps. When I had 3 IP adresses I saw it peak at 9Mbps. My upload speed has always been 384Kbps

A T-1 line is 1.544Mbps and a T-3 line is 43 Mbps.
A DSL line is Theoreticly capable of delivering 32 Mbps but most dsl modems are made to work with 10Mbs network cards or shudder USB.
A cable conection is theroreticly capable of delivering 36 Mbps with the same provisions as dsl of course.
Most companies on both dsl and cable cap their customers at much lower rates then even 10mbps that the modems can handle. For most people it comes down to who is doing the best in your area. In mine it is cable, in your area it might be a flavor of DSL. It is all about research befor you commit.

[Maddman]

Originally posted by rugby



Not quite. Dsl is no harder to share than cable. I haven't experienced any "noise", but I suppose if you put a microwave, stereo, and a car in the room it might slow it down some. Cable is just as distance sensitive as dsl is. If it wasn't, everyone could get it.

I have seen florecent lights, 900mhz phones, cell phones, fax machines and home alarm systems stop a connection. It shouldn't be any harder to network a DSL connection but I have seen the end results of a few people trying to share their connection, Lucky for me we don't support networks except thru are own routers witch cost the customer the better part of a grand to get.

[YMAN]

Originally posted by Maddman


I have seen florecent lights, 900mhz phones, cell phones, fax machines and home alarm systems stop a connection. It shouldn't be any harder to network a DSL connection but I have seen the end results of a few people trying to share their connection, Lucky for me we don't support networks except thru are own routers witch cost the customer the better part of a grand to get.

I have seen florecent lights...as well, interfear with connections,
but as long as you keep the cables about 2 feet away from
low level noise devices you will be fine.

As for home alarm systems, if you have it connected to
the police for monitoring, they almost always use the same
1Mhz band as dsl. To solve this issue, have a trained security
alarm technician come to your home/office and disable something
that allows it to be remotely acessed.

A ROUTER IS A ROUTER!
If you are a DSL tech. you will know this,
any router will do!
The person that is paying for the DSL simply needs to set it
up themselves, insted of having the provider, Telnet ( believe
it is called) and activate it. Or you can get an external modem
with an ethernet port and an internet station device! - This is the
setup I have.
By the way did you say 1 grand for a router? Any $60 router
will do! Not some cisco systems professional router.

I tell you, You may be a DSL tech. but only talk about what you
Know!

[Maddman]

Originally posted by YMAN


I have seen florecent lights...as well, interfear with connections,
but as long as you keep the cables about 2 feet away from
low level noise devices you will be fine.

As for home alarm systems, if you have it connected to
the police for monitoring, they almost always use the same
1Mhz band as dsl. To solve this issue, have a trained security
alarm technician come to your home/office and disable something
that allows it to be remotely acessed.

A ROUTER IS A ROUTER!
If you are a DSL tech. you will know this,
any router will do!
The person that is paying for the DSL simply needs to set it
up themselves, insted of having the provider, Telnet ( believe
it is called) and activate it. Or you can get an external modem
with an ethernet port and an internet station device! - This is the
setup I have.
By the way did you say 1 grand for a router? Any $60 router
will do! Not some cisco systems professional router.

I tell you, You may be a DSL tech. but only talk about what you
Know!

A router is a router as most people know. But in order for a person to get tech support thru there DSL or cable company the router must have been purchased though the broadband providers company. If you go out and buy a router after getting DSL or cable and have trouble with setting it up you are out of luck getting the DSL or cable company to help you. The reason that they charge that much is to cover tech support and the fact that you are getting the equivalent of several lines for the cost of one. You may be able to buy the same router for much lees elsewhere .

[YMAN]

Originally posted by Maddman


A router is a router as most people know. But in order for a person to get tech support thru there DSL or cable company the router must have been purchased though the broadband providers company. If you go out and buy a router after getting DSL or cable and have trouble with setting it up you are out of luck getting the DSL or cable company to help you. The reason that they charge that much is to cover tech support and the fact that you are getting the equivalent of several lines for the cost of one. You may be able to buy the same router for much lees elsewhere .

You can install the internal/external modem and get the settings
then just transfer over to the router that you purchased!
I have done this many times.

If all elts fails you can still call the tech support of the router.
They will be able to help alot too....
They usually have archives of isp settings as well.

The only reason you say all this is because,
you are a dsl tech in a isp company. Thats how you were trained.
It it not at all hard to set up a router without you guys. :rolleyes:

[Maddman]

Originally posted by YMAN


You can install the internal/external modem and get the settings
then just transfer over to the router that you purchased!
I have done this many times.

If all elts fails you can still call the tech support of the router.
They will be able to help alot too....
They usually have archives of isp settings as well.

The only reason you say all this is because,
you are a dsl tech in a isp company. Thats how you were trained.
It it not at all hard to set up a router without you guys. :rolleyes:

I am sure that most people here on this fourm could set one up. There are a lot of people out there that even with help would not be able to set one up and would have little intrest in learning.

[Warlord2]

man Ive just looked about EVERYWHERE and the only places that will give me service are britsys and tfbnet

britsys main station is too far away and will give me bad latency and tfbnet is $80 a month and a 12 month contract however is in CA

Im still wait for some responses from some other companies but things dont look to good

all I realy want is upload so is there companies that will just give me a fast upload for cheap?

If I cant find anything I will have to stay with my Road Runner connection and keep bugging thim untell they fix the problem

[YMAN]

Have you seen if britsys will negotiate a better price?
Sometimes the will negotiate just for the service.
-You would want to negotiate if the connection isn't as good right?
That might be an option to try.

[Warlord2]

YMAN

have you heard anything bad about TFBnet?

Im really thinking about just coughing up the $80 and get it

road runner is just ****ing me off WAY too much

[YMAN]

Originally posted by Warlord2
YMAN

have you heard anything bad about TFBnet?

Im really thinking about just coughing up the $80 and get it

road runner is just ****ing me off WAY too much

Sorry, I have not heard much about this company.
But how far away is there hub?

[Warlord2]

a little over 8000 feet and the POP is about 2 hours away from me


think it would be good?

Ive heard really good reviews on thim giving thim a 10 out of 10

[YMAN]

8,000 Feet is pretty good,
I think 15,000 and you would have probloms.

[Warlord2]

now that is FAST

I just posted this 1-2 mins ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[YMAN]

I try to keep on top of things.
Even if I am not at my PC! :D

[Quizno]

well, as far as cable goes....it all depends on where you live. some areas have absolutely awesome cable, others have cable slower than dial-up. what it really depends on, is how efficient the company is on upgrading their hardware to handle the new subscribers.

ive had cable for 2 years now, and i have had 0 problems with mine(rogers@home, now shaw@home....vancouver, bc, canada). d/l have always been fast, and u/l is at a respectable 320kbps. i went with cable because i knew peple with dsl at the time, and their experiences were not good.....very mediocre speeds. im happy with my decision, cable has been very nice to me.

but, right now im testing dsl out and i see they have gotten it together around here. in fact, it seems to be faster than my cable so far. download is about the same, but my u/l seems to be around 600kbps(which is great!) so i might just stick with dsl.

anyways, from what ive heard and experienced it all depends on your area. go to dslreports.com and look at the feedback for the providers in your area, dsl/cable is different all over the place....find out what is best in your area, and go with it.


now, one thing i will say....is i am amazed at how nice we canadians have it in terms of high speed internet access up here. looking at those prices i unbelievable to me, as i pay a measly $35CDN a month(about $23USD) for my service(whether it be cable or dsl). you guys are paying so much more, i mean $100US a month!?!?! jeez, thats outragious! not only that, but i hear of many peopla paying that and only getting like 768/128kbps lines....here im paying a fraction of the price and getting a 1.5mpbs/600kbps line. i dunno why, all i know is in that respect im damn lucky to live in canada:)

[Warlord2]

like I said I heard really good reviews at dslreports.com about tfbnet
BUT I didnt see one for in my area that has it



Quizno

what speed did you sign up for when you order dsl?

and is that 320kbps u/l what you get when you send somebody a file or is it just a test from a site?

I get 220kbps u/l on test sites and get 45kbps u/l when I send somebody a file

[Quizno]

Originally posted by Warlord2
Quizno

what speed did you sign up for when you order dsl?

and is that 320kbps u/l what you get when you send somebody a file or is it just a test from a site?

I get 220kbps u/l on test sites and get 45kbps u/l when I send somebody a file

i didnt really pay attention, but ive now confirmed that it is 1.5mbps downstream and 640kbps upstream.

now, i think your confusing kilobits per second(kbps) with kilobytes per second(KB/s). that test site is telling you pretty close results to your actual uploading result. 8 kilobits=1 kilobyte. so if your upload bandwidth is 220kbps, then divide that by 8 to get your max upload transfer rate......that would turn out to be 27.5, so that test would be a little off. if the fastest youve ever u/led was 45KB/s, then your upload bandwidth would be 360kbps.

my u/l bandwidth is 640kbps, so my max transfer rate while u/ling is 80KB/s.

[Warlord2]

ok

so if I order 768K/384K is that KB/sec or kbps?

[YMAN]

Originally posted by Warlord2
ok

so if I order 768K/384K is that KB/sec or kbps?

I think KB/sec is kbps.

(Kilo Bits Per Second)

[Warlord2]

AGGGGGGG

me soo confused!!!

now, i think your confusing kilobits per second(kbps) with kilobytes per second(KB/s). that test site is telling you pretty close results to your actual uploading result. 8 kilobits=1 kilobyte. so if your upload bandwidth is 220kbps, then divide that by 8 to get your max upload transfer rate......that would turn out to be 27.5, so that test would be a little off. if the fastest youve ever u/led was 45KB/s, then your upload bandwidth would be 360kbps.

does kb/sec = kbps?

or kilobits per second = kilobytes per seconds?

[YMAN]

Kilobytes per second = K
Kilobites per second = Kbps

[Maddman]

kbps stands for kilo bits per second

Kilo bytes per second would be KB/sec

[Quizno]

oy........

ok. lets get to the basics here.

1 byte=8 bits
1 kilobyte=8 kilobits

kilobits per second is represented by kbps or Kbps, allways with small bps in it

kilobytes per second is represented by either KB/s or KBps, always with the KB in it.

yeah, not very precise way of doing things, but thats the general use terms out there today.

so, that 768K/384K line you are taking about is 768kbps down and 384kbps up. that translates to 96KB/s(or KBps) download and 48KB/s upload transfer rates(these are the rates you see reported by IE download windows, etc).

now, if you think this is confusing.....understanding kilobits vs kilobytes when dealing with storage is even more confusing. just dealing with what each means on cd vs hd is annoying........

[Warlord2]

768K/384K should be much faster thin that though

I know people who d/l at up to 1.5 mb/sec with that same connection


is that just the minimum it will go or what?


oh well I will just need to get dsl and find out=/

[Maddman]

768kbps wil get you 96KB/s down loadto get 1.5MB/s youwould need 12mbps connection speed.

[YMAN]

I am getting up to 1.6Mbps on a 800Kbps download line. :D
My aDSL only costs $45 as well!

[klosters64a]

TFBnet sounds like a good idea, Warlord2. Just in case, I suggest not cancelling your present cable service until you're sure that TFBnet is A-OK. I did(in my case, I cancelled my DSL before making sure that the cable ISP worked well. Stoopid move! Cable didn't work, and was a lying, thieving outfit to boot) this cost me $151 extra, just to re-connect to my Baby Bell's DSL.

[Warlord2]

its on a 12 month contract so I will be screwed anyways hehe

but Im not going to cancel road runner just because I want to see what happens if I bond cable and dsl:D