View Full Version : crucial ballistix 2gb kit rma, common problem??
toddm27
11-06-05, 08:00 PM
I was just wondering how many of you have had to rma your crucial ballistix pc4000 2x1024 ram kits as I bought this set thinking it was the best but now I'm starting to wonder as I had to rma it as it was failing under memtest at stock. the more I read people are rmaing these kits left and right. tell me there the good about this ram as i have yet to see it. I know it is supposed to overclock to 300+ at awsome timings but this is seeming unreal as every other post of someone that has these sticks just had to rma them. :bang head
well whilst its true that one of my 1gb sticks died from my first set, my replacement set have been nothing but awesome :D i run them at 275fsb...still havent got round to trying higher...theyre great sticks if you get a good set
speed bump
11-06-05, 09:04 PM
Which test was your ram failing?
toddm27
11-07-05, 07:09 AM
test 6 in the third loop but did fine in tests 8 and 5 up to 295, it was only after I ran a full system test I noticed the problems
deathman20
11-08-05, 07:50 AM
Mine does wonders at 295Mhz tested so far. Wish I could go further but it seems to that my CPU is holding me back some.
I know I had issues at first with the ram/mobo where it would cause errors left and right expecially at the end of test 5 and 8. Bios flashes and such took care of that issue I had and now nearly 2 weeks later all is still good with these.
Also make sure you try different ram sockets, sometimes those can really change your results with OCing.
toddm27
11-08-05, 08:45 AM
tryed both orange and yellow and still failed at 250 3 4 4 8, hopefully I'll have my new set by the end of the week.
Seanohue
11-08-05, 09:15 PM
mine will easily do over 300 FSB 1:1 at just 2.8v and 3-3-3-8, just wish my proc would handle it :/
My pretty pair are still sitting in their box awaiting to be installed, so I cannot comment if I've had any problems with them or not...
...
*wonders if current PC uses DDR or SD ram...*
I'll be back in a little while.
EDIT *grumbles and goes back to waiting for new proc to arrive*
Mine will be here today, ill post my results tonite.
toddm27
11-09-05, 09:28 AM
Thanks for the input, I guess I'll give them another shot as the rma should be back tomorrow
deathman20
11-12-05, 11:02 PM
Hey toddm27 got a question. I think mine are starting to fail its blowing in tests now, it did 295 as I stated above for 24+ hours. Now it can't even run pass test 3+ @ 250 with 2.9V basically.
How did you RMA it? Is there something on there site? Do they send you replacements and you can send the old ones back when you get them?
bLack0ut
11-12-05, 11:09 PM
I don't get why people RMA if their sticks dont hit 300... crucial never said it would, did they? Makes the price go up for us other folk.
Course, if it fails memtest at stock, RMA by all means :)
toddm27
11-13-05, 05:51 AM
i bought mine off ebay and just called them, they turned around and sent me 2 new sticks after I sent mine in, bad part is the set they sent me were fried too. Waiting on the second set now. I'm really starting to wonder about whether its a compatibility issue with the dfi boards or just some bad batches of memory as both of mine wouldn't run stock, one stick I had ran perfect at 285+ from the second batch and the other wouldn't run stock. I may not even open the next set and ebay them. Haven't decided yet though.
deathman20
11-13-05, 09:44 AM
Ok I just was curious of what to possibly do if I needed to RMA it. But now it seems it was a voltage issue. I dropped the voltage to 2.6V and now its working @ 255Mhz. I'm so confused. It wouldn't run 250 with 2.8V at all.
Oh ya the memory modules get damn hot. Mine @ 2.8V was running over 55C with a thermal sensor just stuck between the heatspreader.
toddm27
11-13-05, 10:04 AM
I think there is an issue with these modules and the lanparty boards as I haven't seen a single issue of any other people with these sticks going bad on boards other than dfi.
Check out this thread I came accross
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29743
I just don't know what to do whether to sell my crucial or buy a different board, or just give both another shot together. I remember reading somewhere that the dfi boards were killing these sticks? Makes me wonder how true that statement was. I may try the sli-dr expert board as its out at monarch but I don't know.
deathman20
11-13-05, 10:10 AM
I think there is an issue with these modules and the lanparty boards as I haven't seen a single issue of any other people with these sticks going bad on boards other than dfi.
Check out this thread I came accross
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29743
I just don't know what to do whether to sell my crucial or buy a different board, or just give both another shot together. I remember reading somewhere that the dfi boards were killing these sticks? Makes me wonder how true that statement was. I may try the sli-dr expert board as its out at monarch but I don't know.
Ya I was looking at that thead also. Just seemed really odd that its working now just not at as a high clock as its been the past week. But, my memory seems to be preforming exactly the same speed wise at the slower speed strangly, and in some cases faster.
(cf)eclipse
11-13-05, 08:15 PM
Oh ya the memory modules get damn hot. Mine @ 2.8V was running over 55C with a thermal sensor just stuck between the heatspreader.
ACTIVE COOLING!
is sorely needed ;)
deathman20
11-14-05, 06:53 PM
Ya I know, but it shouldn't need active cooling if its rated for that.
Put active cooling back on it, works perfectly fine now @ 280Mhz. 40C Stressed compared to the 55C just booting up doing nothing! :) Happy about this now.
toddm27 you might want to try out and see if active cooling will help at all. I just stuck some 2x 80mm fans in there at some wiered angle and it seems to be doing the trick very nicely.
BTW these temps are with a thermal sensor between the heatspreaders of ram.
toddm27
11-15-05, 07:16 AM
I'll have to try that when I get the ram back as I rma'd it again because it wouldn't run 250, but should have it by the end of the week and I'll try a fan in sidepanel of the case to cool them.
deathman20
11-15-05, 07:30 AM
Heres a post on dfi-street that i've been following.
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?p=288397#post288397
And heres some results I posted up last night for a guy that was trying his ram out since his seemed to start going the way mine did.
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=288130&postcount=86
(cf)eclipse
11-15-05, 04:28 PM
Ya I know, but it shouldn't need active cooling if its rated for that.
you say that, but yet you probably have a heatsink on your cpu, gpu and video ram, no? :D
deathman20
11-15-05, 05:10 PM
you say that, but yet you probably have a heatsink on your cpu, gpu and video ram, no? :D
CPU comes with an active cooler (talking retail packages here not OEM), Video card comes with active cooling on GPU/Memory. It comes stock that way. If they wanted me to actively cool the memory it should come with a fan.
marscay
11-15-05, 07:47 PM
my first set died after a few of weeks.....in fact i dont think they were ever 'right'.
the replacements are going strong for 6 weeks now
they'll prolly die on me now
marscay
11-15-05, 07:50 PM
there's a problem with these sticks somewhere along the line ....seems forums are full of ppl with dead 1gb ballistix
good when they work tho :) and crucials RMA is first class
toddm27
11-15-05, 08:50 PM
yeah but how many times are you gonna pay the shipping back to crucial before you give up, I've already paid it twice and haven't gotten any sticks to run stock yet.
Trippy, my first pair had one faulty module also. So far, the second pair haven't produced any anomalies.
ochungry
11-17-05, 02:34 AM
It looks like Micron/Crucial PSSSSST.
say ba bye to potato heads. I wonder if they can find any stolen documents from Rambus to try to find out WTF is going on.
Do you think they gonna spy on RAMBUS to see if any new designs for their chip?
deathman20
11-17-05, 06:00 AM
Well got my sticks working great again. If you call running 6300Mb/s @ 290Mhz good (I don't), and 270Mhz 6300Mb/s running tighter timings in sandra also. Everest showed similar and science mark did show it getting up to 6800Mb/s, so which one should I trust?
I don't get why people RMA if their sticks dont hit 300... crucial never said it would, did they? Makes the price go up for us other folk.
Course, if it fails memtest at stock, RMA by all means :)
Couldn't agree more, just because you read that Joe Blow reached 280-300FSB on their sticks doesn't mean yours will and doesn't mean that every stick is required to. They are rated to 250MHz, anything beyond that is a bonus. People forget that 1GB sticks aren't as easy to overclock as 512MB sticks. My 2GB Ballistix set will do about 260MHz at 2.9v, and will do about 278 at 3.0v, is this great compared to others results? No, not really but as long as they are doing above what they are rated at, how can I complain?
Also it should be noted that if your sticks are failing at stock, it might very well be your motherboard settings, timing, voltage, etc.... or the motherboard itself, its not always the memory. Crucial is a very reputable brand and always has been, long before Corsair took over the high end market. I find it very hard to believe that people are RMA'ing these sticks because they won't reach stock speeds, I think people are caught up in the hype that these sticks should do 280-300MHz and get upset when they won't so they RMA them. That is not the right thing to do, but who's got morals nowadays anyway? :bang head
yeah but how many times are you gonna pay the shipping back to crucial before you give up, I've already paid it twice and haven't gotten any sticks to run stock yet.
If you haven't been able to get more than one set of these sticks to run in your setup, its not the memory, something is wrong with your setup. And before you get all defensive, trust those that have had good results with these sticks and Crucial's reputation. You need to do some digging and figure out what in your setup is causing the problem, maybe the motherboard itself, maybe the PS, maybe the motherboard settings, or maybe something you never would have thought at all. I seriously doubt its the memory that's your problem.
CPU comes with an active cooler (talking retail packages here not OEM), Video card comes with active cooling on GPU/Memory. It comes stock that way. If they wanted me to actively cool the memory it should come with a fan.
The same thing could be said for any component in your system, even hard drives, but its a well known fact that hard drives will live much longer with active cooling on them, and I've yet to see a hard drive ship with a fan. Don't be silly. The fact is you are pushing your memory WAY past its rating and you don't think active cooling might be a good idea? How hard is it to add a 80 or 90mm fan in front of your memory, I think it took me all of umm........2 minutes.
I think there is an issue with these modules and the lanparty boards as I haven't seen a single issue of any other people with these sticks going bad on boards other than dfi.
Check out this thread I came accross
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29743
I just don't know what to do whether to sell my crucial or buy a different board, or just give both another shot together. I remember reading somewhere that the dfi boards were killing these sticks? Makes me wonder how true that statement was. I may try the sli-dr expert board as its out at monarch but I don't know.
On the flip side, I have yet to see a 2GB set reach memory speeds as high as the Ballistix on any other motherboard except a DFI so the DFI boards must not be too bad on them. I think if they seem to be failing more on DFI boards, it might be because most DFI owners are extreme users and push their memory further than most other MB owners since those MB's simply won't overclock as high as the DFI's. And, figure that most people with DFI motherboards are using more of these sticks because of the great results they are getting, of course the failure rate is going to be higher since there are more users.
you can edit your previous posts btw ;)
deathman20
11-17-05, 07:09 AM
The same thing could be said for any component in your system, even hard drives, but its a well known fact that hard drives will live much longer with active cooling on them, and I've yet to see a hard drive ship with a fan. Don't be silly. The fact is you are pushing your memory WAY past its rating and you don't think active cooling might be a good idea? How hard is it to add a 80 or 90mm fan in front of your memory, I think it took me all of umm........2 minutes.
Ummm that was at default settings I was hitting 55C at least within a the first few seconds of bootup. Running at 250Mhz with 3-4-4-10 timings (all rest auto) with 2.6-2.8V. I mean come on, it should run default without buring up. Expecially within rated specs. But yes they are air cooled now, doesn't seem to help OC much at all but its keeping the chips cooler, but thats not the point im trying to get at. It should come with everything it needs to function properly at default/within spec.
As for the harddrive fact, ya they might live longer, but they still don't require it so that doesn't prove a thing. They run perfectly fine without them. Doesn't mean I don't cool them myself since it sits infront of my only air intake fan but i've run HDD's and still got old drives that run perfectly fine that ran without fans that are a good 6-7 years old.
Ummm that was at default settings I was hitting 55C at least within a the first few seconds of bootup. Running at 250Mhz with 3-4-4-10 timings (all rest auto) with 2.6-2.8V. I mean come on, it should run default without buring up. Expecially within rated specs. But yes they are air cooled now, doesn't seem to help OC much at all but its keeping the chips cooler, but thats not the point im trying to get at. It should come with everything it needs to function properly at default/within spec.
As for the harddrive fact, ya they might live longer, but they still don't require it so that doesn't prove a thing. They run perfectly fine without them. Doesn't mean I don't cool them myself since it sits infront of my only air intake fan but i've run HDD's and still got old drives that run perfectly fine that ran without fans that are a good 6-7 years old.
Choose to be stubborn if you wish, you know I'm right though. Its your PC and your money, abuse it however you want. There's an old saying about an ounce of prevention..........
eva2000
11-17-05, 08:09 AM
what speeds you're running them at and what vdimm ?
i have 4x 1GB Crucial PC4000 no probs, so a set and just plucked in my other set for retesting on my Opteron 146 :)
toddm27
11-17-05, 09:37 AM
If you haven't been able to get more than one set of these sticks to run in your setup, its not the memory, something is wrong with your setup. And before you get all defensive, trust those that have had good results with these sticks and Crucial's reputation. You need to do some digging and figure out what in your setup is causing the problem, maybe the motherboard itself, maybe the PS, maybe the motherboard settings, or maybe something you never would have thought at all. I seriously doubt its the memory that's your problem.
Ok if its not the memory why does the error move when I move a stick or the error goes away when I take one stick out and comes back when the other stick comes out and that one goes back in, sorry but there is a problem with these sticks going bad, it isn't a motherboard problem if the error moves with the memory move! All of this happens at stock 250fsb 3-4-4-8 2.6-2.8v doesn't matter
Ok if its not the memory why does the error move when I move a stick or the error goes away when I take one stick out and comes back when the other stick comes out and that one goes back in, sorry but there is a problem with these sticks going bad, it isn't a motherboard problem if the error moves with the memory move! All of this happens at stock 250fsb 3-4-4-8 2.6-2.8v doesn't matter
Its your setup, not your memory, you might continue to cherry pick until you get something to run correct in your setup, but you need to find the source of your problems. Its not the memory.
toddm27
11-17-05, 07:56 PM
Its your setup, not your memory, you might continue to cherry pick until you get something to run correct in your setup, but you need to find the source of your problems. Its not the memory.
ok, explain to me why I can run two different sets of memory (geil 265, and corsair 290) in this computer at well over 250fsb with no errors if it is the setup of my system and not the memory and why one stick works perfectly fine at 250, but the other gives errors each individually? as stated the error moves with the memory on both sets I've had, it is not related to one memory slot which would be the motherboard, which tells me and crucial its a bad stick of memory. I will have the third set of crucial tomorrow. Let me know what should be changed, as stated the memory was run in all different configurations of timings as well as tested at auto on everything except for 1t, 3-4-4-8 in the orange slots, and it still fails at stock of 250fsb.
deathman20
11-22-05, 01:58 PM
toddm27: Find anymore info out of whats going on? Or did you RMA it?
toddm27
11-22-05, 02:07 PM
toddm27: Find anymore info out of whats going on? Or did you RMA it?
I rma'd it for the second time before I started the thread and got it back on friday, runs 300 1:1 on this set with 2.8v :attn: and does 290 with 2.6v. much better results seeing as this set actually runs stock. :clap: if they will just stay running I'll be really happy :bang head
Luxferro
11-22-05, 02:23 PM
Its your setup, not your memory, you might continue to cherry pick until you get something to run correct in your setup, but you need to find the source of your problems. Its not the memory.
i love how you know what is wrong with everyones pc while sitting behind yours. These sticks do go bad, and it is pretty damn common. It has happened to mine, my sticks were tested on multiple motherboards, with different cpus - all gave the same problems. I swapped in my buddies set, and they worked fine.
And yeah, i know it wasn't my settings, as i had these doing up to 285mhz spi32 stable, prime95 stable, and up to 300mhz individually on my old nf3 single channel setup. i didn't run them at these speeds 24/7, used active cooling (since they run hot), and ran them at their spec'd 2.8V.
Yours will die over time too.. and we can all laugh lol
deathman20
11-22-05, 02:25 PM
Glad to hear... think mines going very slowly but can't do anything til it hits the 250Mhz barrier. 260Mhz is starting to fail on me with 2.8V but no BSOD's yet with it.
toddm27
11-22-05, 02:31 PM
Glad to hear... think mines going very slowly but can't do anything til it hits the 250Mhz barrier. 260Mhz is starting to fail on me with 2.8V but no BSOD's yet with it.
good luck with em I put a 120mm fan over mine at an angle and my pwmic temps droped 20c the max its putting out now is like 37-40c where before it was hitting 60c. I don't know if that will have any effect or not because the other set didn't run 2 hours without failing.
ocing newbie
11-25-05, 12:32 AM
So I have finally figured out what was wrong with my computer. I know one of my ballistix sticks died. I already have my rma setup but still need to ship them. The memory clocked to 260 w/ 2.8v when I first got it. I put a fan on them and was able to do 266. I think the heat is a major issue and it degrades this memory over time. The memory degraded until it would only run stock 200mhz w/ 2.8v. Then I killed one stick when I tried to use a 233 mem divider in the 7/04-3 bios. Only one stick runs now without BSOD in an msi k8t neo2 I've been using. I'm shipping both sticks tomorrow. How long is the turn-around for rmaing these? I gotta get this cleared up fast so I can get back to bf2:sf. Hopefully my dfi mobo and cpu are fine. I think I will burn in the next set of ballistix at 2.6v w/ active cooling and hopefully the ram will survive more than a month. Is there some better way to treat this memory so it will perform better? Does anyone have positive ballistix experiences?
voodoothenoob
11-25-05, 12:02 PM
mine died today after 47 days of running 250 at 3-3-3-8 1T at 2.8 volts on my asus premium board
when I pulled them out of mobo I almost burnt my fingers...lol
I hope this isnt a long term problem, cause I wanted this setup to last 2 years and not 2 months :bang head :shrug:
tidebill
11-25-05, 11:10 PM
I just had one of my gig sticks of Ballistic go bad. :bang head
Had it only 6 weeks. Was running 3338 at 2.8 when it died. Batch is CL1115N.2Y.
Herr Rogers
11-25-05, 11:28 PM
Kind of off-topic, but this ram is seriously crap. I have never seen any specific sticks of ram be so bad. I know I'm just saying what everyone else is thinking, but this is pretty sad. It's like playing a game.
toddm27
11-26-05, 06:29 AM
this ram is great when it works but its a crapshoot as to how long its gonna last, I'm thinking of selling mine for some mushkin.
tidebill
11-26-05, 08:37 AM
this ram is great when it works but its a crapshoot as to how long its gonna last, I'm thinking of selling mine for some mushkin.
Friend of mine just did that exact thing. Had the Mush one day and sent it back. Did nothing close to the Ballistic. Also bought the Expert DFI and is about to put his old DFI back in. Talk about a hardware failure. Read some of the DFI Expert threads.
VinnyTAMU
11-26-05, 09:28 AM
I just bought some and I hope I don't have the same problems you guys are having. I will be placing a fan overthem.
deathman20
11-26-05, 10:02 AM
Well I updated to the new DFI Bios 11/14, took the fan off and its running nearly the same temp as it did before with the fan on it! Amazing running full load with 2.8V is 47C, compared to 55C during bootup and no load.
tidebill
11-26-05, 01:16 PM
I just bought some and I hope I don't have the same problems you guys are having. I will be placing a fan overthem.
Well on the bright side if you bought from Crucial they will send you a pair with your credit card number. :) And then credit you when you return your pair. So it cuts down on the downtime greatly. :santa:
toddm27
11-26-05, 01:20 PM
I actually already have the sli-dr expert and have no problems overclocking the same as my sli-dr and the memory is getting the same results 285 3-3-3-8 @2.6v, just a thought on swaping to another brand, happy when it works.
VinnyTAMU
11-26-05, 11:24 PM
Well on the bright side if you bought from Crucial they will send you a pair with your credit card number. :) And then credit you when you return your pair. So it cuts down on the downtime greatly. :santa:
Yea except that I bought them at Newegg. Hopefully I will have no problems.
tidebill
11-26-05, 11:29 PM
Yea except that I bought them at Newegg. Hopefully I will have no problems.
Newegg is the best company I have ever done business with. They'll do you right :)
Are you guys in College Station still happy with Coach Fran? Bama fan here, he left a bad taste in our mouths.
VinnyTAMU
11-29-05, 07:55 AM
Newegg is the best company I have ever done business with. They'll do you right :)
Are you guys in College Station still happy with Coach Fran? Bama fan here, he left a bad taste in our mouths.
I never liked what coach Fran did to you guys at Bama, that was just wrong. He is an ok coach, it is half his fault, half player injuries fault that we didn't make a bowl game this year. I would say that If we don't drastically improve this next year he will be looking for a job again.
Back on topic, are there any comparable 2 x 1GB memory modules to these crucials? I am talking in terms of speed & price.
deathman20
11-30-05, 08:07 AM
Well I've joined the RMA club also. Hopfully going to get RMA sorted out today.
Its the few, the not proud, the RMA's
toddm27
11-30-05, 09:09 AM
Well I've joined the RMA club also. Hopfully going to get RMA sorted out today.
Its the few, the not proud, the RMA's
That really sucks as these things don't seem to last more than about 2-3 months, :bang head I have a 120mm fan over the top of mine now, hopefully that will make them last but it seems very unlikely. :cry:
deathman20
11-30-05, 10:15 AM
Oh whats your numbers on your ram sticks?
Batch and PN, along with the other longer number on the white sticker?
Curious if after a batch these stop failing.
BL128647503.16TD
Batch: CL1115N.2Q
PN: 56278
I know my batch is right between a bunch that are failing also.
toddm27
11-30-05, 10:31 AM
Oh whats your numbers on your ram sticks?
Batch and PN, along with the other longer number on the white sticker?
Curious if after a batch these stop failing.
BL128647503.16TD
Batch: CL1115N.2Q
PN: 56278
I know my batch is right between a bunch that are failing also.
I'll have to look at them tonight, the first two sets had the same batch numbers (but are different than yours cl1115n.pn I think), but the last set is different, the part number and bl number matches yours. I'll let you know.
deathman20
11-30-05, 04:07 PM
Well I had a strange experiance with there RMA department.
I sent an e-mail early in the day, just got a reply back now, accepting to exchange them. Yet I called them on my lunch break and he says no, actually I he basically said it exactly as this guy said.
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=303471&postcount=217
Now I did mention exactly that I OC'ed them and gave the exact results I had to both. I find that a little wierd, yet cool in a sort of a way.
ochungry
12-01-05, 03:47 AM
Well I had a strange experiance with there RMA department.
I sent an e-mail early in the day, just got a reply back now, accepting to exchange them. Yet I called them on my lunch break and he says no, actually I he basically said it exactly as this guy said.
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=303471&postcount=217
Now I did mention exactly that I OC'ed them and gave the exact results I had to both. I find that a little wierd, yet cool in a sort of a way.
Those guys up in Idaho, eat too many potato's, and lost their logic.
If you did not use more voltage as the spec., why does it matter how much you overclocked? If the stick's are bad, shouldn’t they just replace them, instead of all their ca-ca many reasons not to?
Those people @ micron are out of touch w/ reality.
Have been in Idaho? miles and miles of potato fields.
CrucialLab
12-01-05, 11:51 AM
I wanted to let those of you whom are having problems that we are looking into this, but have yet to been able to reproduce the issue. We ran Prime95 on a DFI Ultra-D, AMD FX-55 @ 2500 (250 X 10) and ran into no issues. I personally have have an X2 4200 running at 2500 (250 X 10) also on a DFI Ultra-D over a month with out any issues. Both of these systems were run with the timings of 3-3-3-8 at 2.8v
So what I would like to do is get some information from those whom are experiencing this issue. I would particularly like to know your complete system specs aswell as what speeds, timings, and volts the memory were ran at.
- CPL
deathman20
12-01-05, 01:12 PM
I wanted to let those of you whom are having problems that we are looking into this, but have yet to been able to reproduce the issue. We ran Prime95 on a DFI Ultra-D, AMD FX-55 @ 2500 (250 X 10) and ran into no issues. I personally have have an X2 4200 running at 2500 (250 X 10) also on a DFI Ultra-D over a month with out any issues. Both of these systems were run with the timings of 3-3-3-8 at 2.8v
So what I would like to do is get some information from those whom are experiencing this issue. I would particularly like to know your complete system specs aswell as what speeds, timings, and volts the memory were ran at.
- CPL
Well hope this helps a little
GENIE BIOS Setting
FSB BUS Frequency....................250
LDT.................4x
Multi.................10x
LDT Voltage.................1.3V
NB Voltage.................1.6V
CPU Voltage.................1.4V
DRAM Voltage Control.................2.8V
GENIE BIOS Setting >DRAM Configuration
DRAM Frequency Set (MHZ).............200 (DRAM/FSB:1/01)
Command per clock (CPC)..............Enabled/Disabled
Cas latency (tCL)....................3
RAS to CAS delay (tRCD)..............3
Min RAS active time (tRAS)...........8
Row precharge time (tRP).............3
Row cycle time (tRC).................8 and Auto (this did work @ 8)
Row refresh cycle time(tRFC).........12 and Auto (this did work @ 12)
Row to Row delay (tRRD)..............2
Write recovery time (tWR)............2
Write to read delay (tWTR)...........2
Read to write delay (tRWT)...........3
Refresh period (tREF)................Auto
Write CAS latency (tWCL).............Auto (this defaults to 1 on auto, picking any other crashes)
DRAM Bank Interleave.................Enabled
DQS Skew Control.....................Auto
DQS Skew Value.......................0
DRAM Drive Strength..................Auto (use to work @ 7)
DRAM Data Drive Strength.............Auto
Max Async Latency....................Auto (8.0-10.0 was tested previously)
Dram Response........................Normal
Read Preamble Time...................Auto (5.5-7 was tested previously)
Idle Cycle Limit.....................Auto
Dynamic Counter......................Disabled
R/W Queue Bypass.....................16x
Bypass Max...........................7x
32 Byte Granularity..................Disable (4 Bursts) (if I enable this instant lockup upon reboot)
Hopfully that gives you guys something to work with. I was able to run 2.6V @ 250Mhz before and was memtest & prime stable now even up to 2.8V doesn't even pass memtest in the first few min.
And wondering if you could tell me this one. Why does it error out more at lower clocks (at and below spec) then it does say at 260Mhz?
Also do you know what the huge differences between the 6/23 and 7/04 bioses are compared to the 11/14? I mean going from 55C startup with 6/23 and 7/04 needing active cooling with 2.6-2.8V, to no need for active cooling with 11/14 with same voltage? And thats running 40-47C loaded depending on what program and what the CPU load is. 11/14 is definatly better on the memory thats for sure.
starrwsn
12-02-05, 11:42 AM
I've seen a lot of people with bad ballistix. I think its a common problem because they run hot.
FlahsMemory
12-02-05, 12:19 PM
Me and my friend both ordered from new egg to get the crucial ram and they came up with many errors and random bsod just on stock settings with the 6/23 bios. We both tried to do the setting that you posted on the dfi forum and then they worked. Then after awhile it failed memtest #8 for me. His still works but I bet in anymoment he will start to get errors also....=/.
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deathman20
12-02-05, 12:42 PM
I think its a common problem because they run hot.
Wouldn't doubt that. Took me a while to realise that my memory was hot, very hot when running, idle or load.
deathman20
12-02-05, 12:44 PM
Me and my friend both ordered from new egg to get the crucial ram and they came up with many errors and random bsod just on stock settings with the 6/23 bios. We both tried to do the setting that you posted on the dfi forum and then they worked. Then after awhile it failed memtest #8 for me. His still works but I bet in anymoment he will start to get errors also....=/.
batch CL1115N.2N
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KIT NO.: BL12864Z503.16TD
Whats his batch number? I know i've seen .2N failing before. How long have you had these modules? I got from the egg, 10/24/05.
If it runs hot, place a simple 80mm fan over them . That's really all it takes to get the ram only slightly warm to the touch even at 2.8v.
Well... In my set one will hit 300+ @ 2.8v, without a problem, but I can't get the other stick above 272 at any voltage. :-/ Talk about depressing... :( Anyone who is going to RMA their sticks want to send me a good one and I can send you my "bad one" to RMA? :D If fact, I'd make it worth your while if you have one that can hit 290 and above at 2.8v to send me, but you need to RMA your set because of a bad stick.
deathman20
12-02-05, 02:49 PM
Well... In my set one will hit 300+ @ 2.8v, without a problem, but I can't get the other stick above 272 at any voltage. :-/ Talk about depressing... :( Anyone who is going to RMA their sticks want to send me a good one and I can send you my "bad one" to RMA? :D If fact, I'd make it worth your while if you have one that can hit 290 and above at 2.8v to send me, but you need to RMA your set because of a bad stick.
So wehre do you live in Madison? I live on the West side of Sun Prairie off American Parkway hehe. Wahoo another OCer in the area :) EXCELLENT
Mine use to run 295, but since then they have gone down hill. I do have my RMA ready just waiting for my new sticks to come in, but im lazy to test the ram seperatly hehe.
FlahsMemory
12-02-05, 03:16 PM
I ordered from the egg in nov. 20th, I just sent mine back for a refund. I have the same set up as you. My friend has the 3800+ x2 same ram stepping as mine and his is running fine.. I hope this has nothing to do with the processor =/. I have the same stepping as yours. Also he said he can do 280ish fine but he runs it at s 250. ..
FlahsMemory
12-02-05, 03:42 PM
I am wondering what is the second alternative to crucial ballistix is..I upgraded from a p4 with RDRAM 1066 and if you ever had RDRAM like this you can tell the difference in heat...My ram runs super cool They are like luke warm at most..but these ballistix can actually burn your finger within mins. of start up.
EagleClaw
12-02-05, 03:50 PM
Same set here as your numbers below.
This will be the 2nd set I am going to rma in. I ordered som G.SKILL today I'm sick of messing with this ram
Me and my friend both ordered from new egg to get the crucial ram and they came up with many errors and random bsod just on stock settings with the 6/23 bios. We both tried to do the setting that you posted on the dfi forum and then they worked. Then after awhile it failed memtest #8 for me. His still works but I bet in anymoment he will start to get errors also....=/.
batch CL1115N.2N
PN 56278
KIT NO.: BL12864Z503.16TD
deathman20
12-02-05, 03:57 PM
I'm getting my G.Skill 2gig kit today :) Ordered it on Wednesday and said screw it not going to chance my ram breaking down on me again.
So wehre do you live in Madison? I live on the West side of Sun Prairie off American Parkway hehe. Wahoo another OCer in the area :) EXCELLENT
Mine use to run 295, but since then they have gone down hill. I do have my RMA ready just waiting for my new sticks to come in, but im lazy to test the ram seperatly hehe.
I live in De Forest.
It is driving me crazy know how good one of the sticks is and how the other is holding me back!!!
deathman20
12-02-05, 04:37 PM
Drive by there every day to work :)
Well if I have time on Sunday I could do a test of the ram to see if one works better then the other. You'll have to give me exact bios settings, just to eliminate some problems. I'm running the 11/14 bios also, love this bios.
Drive by there every day to work :)
Well if I have time on Sunday I could do a test of the ram to see if one works better then the other. You'll have to give me exact bios settings, just to eliminate some problems. I'm running the 11/14 bios also, love this bios.
That would be awesome. I am using (704-22V6) BIGTOE TWEAKED 704-2a bios.
My bios settings are all auto except for the 3-3-3-8 timings, which I set manually.
(cf)eclipse
12-02-05, 05:45 PM
maybe we should start something like this here at OCF? ;)
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=981479
VinnyTAMU
12-04-05, 01:19 AM
Well I was hoping I wouldn't have a problem with mine but just received the "Red Wall" compliments of Memtest86+. Memory ran fine at 200Mhz but as soon as I went for 250, SPD auto and 2.6v I got tons of errors! By the looks of it Crucial has a major problem on their hands. I will be RMA'ing my pair on Monday, and will be looking else where (non ballistix) for replacements. What we need is to start a new thread titled "I RMA'ed my Ballistix (2x1Gb) now what do I get?" thread.
My memory is
CL1115N.2N
Luckily I can use my backup OCZ Platinum Rev. 2 memory, which has been great for me.
Well..... it's been one month with my 2nd pair of Ballistix and now I'm beginning to get errors in memtest set at 3-4-4-8 @2.8v. This is ridiculous.... :(.
And it's not my other hardware either as some might think ! I've got 3 very similar setups and they crap out on all of em'.
CL1115N.2X
Mine do the same, its really angering me. Ordering a $30 stick of 512 to hold me over I guess.
Capt_Caveman
12-05-05, 03:19 AM
Looks like I'm part of the club. My first set of Ballistix were RMA'd b/c they couldn't run at 250mhz anymore. With my second set after a few months, one of the sticks will not post by itself. My system will post with both sticks but after many reboots. I'm rma'ing my motherboard and if I still have the problem, I'll be rma'ing the memory and selling them when I get them back. I should have kept my Mushkin XP-4000 2gb kit.
Bullnettles
12-05-05, 03:55 AM
Well, I'm scared now. I have the -5B G chips in one 512 ddr400 and just ordered another stick. WHY DID THEY SWITCH CHIPS?!?!?! I thought these micron were the new BH-5's? Come on guys! Where's the brains?
voodoothenoob
12-07-05, 06:39 AM
got my second set, set them at 3-3-3-8 at 2.8 v (250 x 10) and got 160 errors after 10 hours of memtest with the first error at 20 secs on test 2.
what to do, what to do...my 2 x 512 sticks run just fine at 250x10 so it has to be the ram :shrug:
deathman20
12-07-05, 07:17 AM
got my second set, set them at 3-3-3-8 at 2.8 v (250 x 10) and got 160 errors after 10 hours of memtest with the first error at 20 secs on test 2.
what to do, what to do...my 2 x 512 sticks run just fine at 250x10 so it has to be the ram :shrug:
Its the ram... Theres something screwy with these ram sticks. Besides the fact they run considerably hotter then any other stick I've ever had, and thats with fans blowing on it, compared to no fans other times.
VinnyTAMU
12-07-05, 07:26 AM
Sounds like Crucial needs to issue a recall! I am not sure if this has ever been done in the computer world but I believe that they have a big enough problem to warrent such a recall. Looks like alot of people, including myself never even got their memory to run stable at stock 250, let alone even attempt an overclock.
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