Water Cooling for My Science Project

[actorindp]

Hey Everyone I'm currently a sophmoore in HS and figured this year i'd do a water cooling science project.
I've seen different things that will help me out.

But maybe someone knows of a good tutorial i can look at, or maybe someone would like to help me along.

Well thanks in advance for your advice!!

[BubbaJoeLouis]

That is so cool!

I wish I woulda had the chance to do a computer watercooling project for my science project!

There is more Physics in watercooling than you can shake a mag drive sub pump at!!!

Please make sure you have a digital camera on hand for the final results and show us all!

And if anyone dares to call you a "geek," we will all come to your school and gather around them and say, "Heck yeah!"

BJL;)

[actorindp]

lol, I sure will.

I'm also going to see if i can pry a new PIII 800 computer from the tech department to use for my project, and over clock that baby just so i can get some heat.

heheheh but in case i can't, I might just overclock my k62-300 best i can.

I did a little case modding on my k62-300 tell me what you think!
http://actorindp.wha.la:81/case.jpg

[actorindp]

Thought I should just mention my main machine

K7-950 --not overclocked..... yet :)
half gig O ram
40 gigs
ati rage fury pro 32 meg card
Sound Blaster Live Value
8x8x32 recorder
Running W2k, and Linux in VMware.

[KLowD9x]

NICE CASE! Whats the old-sko0 nintendo controller for?

[actorindp]

"A" button is Power
"B" button is Reset

pretty cool huh?

next step add a neon light

[Frodo Baggins]

Nice case! lol that's so damn old skool. BTW, please for the love of god, clean up your cables. Find the rounding cable guide at http://www.hardocp.com

[nihili]

For a science project I'd be tempted to go with a bong cooler because there's some nice science there and it looks impressive. In fact a nice project would be a comparison of bong vs radiator water cooling. Give the results both in terms of temperature and in terms of maximum processor output (i.e. overclockability)

Call it "A comparative analysis of evaporative vs convective modalities in microprocessor heat disipation and the ramifications for mitigation of thermal barriers to maximal processor output: or Why You Should Shower with Your Computer."

Oh, and of course don't you dare call it a "bong" cooler. It's an "evaporative cooling tower".

nihili

[actorindp]

LOL

Alright, except a few things

I have no idea what a "bong" cooler is. Any sites or anything that mihgt help me understnad what it is and how to build one?

And also, I'm not rich, I would like to keep everything on the lowest budget possible. :)

-Nick


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Frodo, Maybe I'll look into that, lol
Besides I have to repaint the case
I didn't sand it down before I painted it, so the paint comes off reallllll easily. :)

[Frodo Baggins]

Originally posted by actorindp
LOL

Alright, except a few things

I have no idea what a "bong" cooler is. Any sites or anything that mihgt help me understnad what it is and how to build one?

And also, I'm not rich, I would like to keep everything on the lowest budget possible. :)

-Nick


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Frodo, Maybe I'll look into that, lol
Besides I have to repaint the case
I didn't sand it down before I painted it, so the paint comes off reallllll easily. :)

1. A bong cooler is a cooler that uses air to evaporate the water and help cool it (uh..I think)
http://www.overclockers.com/articles389/
There's the article for it

ther eis also an article on the www.overclockers.com.au site about making one

2. Don't we all? Sinc eyour at a high school, you can prolly go into shop class and make your own water block.
The cheapest located on the web is at http://www.overclock-watercool.com, but be warned the owner has had many complaints that he is too busy for support and for shipping the products late.
Try http://www.aquastealth.com they are also cheap but I dunno if they make waterblocks for PIII
http://www.dangerden.com is arguably the best waterblock for price/performance. Like I said, I dunno anything at all abot PIIIs, so don't know if you'll be able to find one there.

The problen about PIIIs is that the market for PIII coolers is almost nothing now. (My cousin had to go everywhere just to find a Golden Orb cooler)
usually PIIIs don't require water cooling, and you can even oc with the original hsf

[actorindp]

I'm probably just going to end up with my k62-300

or if this board that I have lying around actually works
a PII 266.

[actorindp]

Hmm I just checked it out. Not sure if its right for me

What i don't understand is where does the heat go and how does the water stay cold.

And also I think a closed cooling system, IE. Radiator, would be a lot easier to transport, but maybe I will give the bong method a try I just have to look into it more I guess.

[actorindp]

I actually just took a second glance, It looks like a possibility :)

As of right now it looks like I will be comparing the two methods.

Now I have a pretty good idea how to build my own copper block. BUT instead of wasting my time at a junkyard looking for a good radiator do you know of any places that sell good cheap radiators?

-Nick

[nihili]

Originally posted by actorindp
Hmm I just checked it out. Not sure if its right for me

What i don't understand is where does the heat go and how does the water stay cold.



Ahhhh, that's where the cool science comes in. It takes one calorie of heat to raise one ml of water one degree celsius. But it takes 80 calories (if memory serves) of heat to evaporate the same amount of water without changing it's temperature. A bong cooler works by evaporating the water and blowing the water vapor with all the heat in it out of the top of the bong. For every portion of water you blow out the top as vapor, you decrease the temperature of ten times that amount of water by 10 degrees celsius.

That's the very easy intro into it. TO do it accurately we'd have to talk about partial pressures and such. The reason I thought about it for a science project is that you can show how with a bit of science you can build a system from plumbing parts that will outperform the most expensive radiator out there. That ought to be good for a ribbon.

nihili

***EDIT*** math error, last bit of my first paragraph should read 8 degrees celsius.

[actorindp]

Now I understand!!!! :)

So as in my post before looks like My project will compare radiator cooling to "Bong... excuse me "evaporative cooling tower" hehehehehe.

Do you guys think I should spend my time building my own block, or should I buy one.

Anotherwords do the odds that I will succeed in building a good block outweigh that odds that I will fail? :)

-Nick

[mrilock]

I'm so jealous...
I wish I could have done this in high school... I wasn't really into hardware back then, though. Good luck on the project, actor - I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the results!

[fatshlink]

sweeet idea and i am also a in 10 grade whith sciecne project comeing up. maby il try this and be able to borrow money from the parents to funt my water cooling:D :D :D

[actorindp]

how much below room temp will i get, with a radiator cooler, and bong cooler???

and I'll probaby want a peltier anyone have any ideas wher to get a good cheap one?

[actorindp]

I don;t know if anyone is still paying attention to this post, Its quite old. But I have started my Science Project of Watercooling!!!!

Here are some day 1 pictures

[nihili]

Great, I was wondering how that was coming along.

nihili

[Spartacus51]

Also will be starting a science project on this perhaps. Although I think I will go strictly bong style. If I decide watercooling isn't for me then I've still got something of use, radiator would just lie around. :cool:

I'll be making my own waterblock though (look under http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51564 )

But anyway, another place to look if you wanted to shrink your bong is http://www.overclockers.com/articles389/index06.asp it's instructions for a 12" tower... proof yet again that size does not matter.

Good luck, hope I don't see you at my science fair, hate to have to beat ya.

:)

[AntmanMike]

Thanks for the idea dood. Next year when i do a science project, It will be "Refrigerated Cooling of a Mainboard unit of a Computer vs Metal to Air Radiatory Cooling"

[actorindp]

Originally posted by Spartacus51
Also will be starting a science project on this perhaps. Although I think I will go strictly bong style. If I decide watercooling isn't for me then I've still got something of use, radiator would just lie around. :cool:

I'll be making my own waterblock though (look under http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51564 )

But anyway, another place to look if you wanted to shrink your bong is http://www.overclockers.com/articles389/index06.asp it's instructions for a 12" tower... proof yet again that size does not matter.

Good luck, hope I don't see you at my science fair, hate to have to beat ya.

:)

I really like that design. My original experiment was Radiator Vs. Cooling Tower. Now I think I will just compare a whole bunch fo different designs. I have a few otheer abstract things floating around my brain I'm going to try.

[Spartacus51]

What are the abstracts? That's what we're all here for, help you out and learn some for ourselves... post ideas, no matter how vague and let's get em developed!

[Diggrr]

If I'd done this for science fair/class in high school, they'd have laughed at me. Of course we had Commodore PET's. They didn't have harddrives-you loaded and saved programs written is Basic with an audio tape drive....very high speed, very high tech. NOT

You could absorb all of that processors heat with a wet finger. (1983)

I've got a much more complicated "evaporative system" if you'd like, as you said to compare different ones. It's an idea I had for a bong that would fill itself from household water supply, but not use it for the waterblock loop...just a thought experiment right now........though it's not too portable.


<edit> it runs silent. The water cascades down the sides from 3 dozen or so 1mm holes in the top copper line. The ducted fan in the center is also ducted with an elbow on top so the intake is dry. The pc's coolant runs through 7 coils of copper tube under the cooler's water. In the center is a toilet fill valve for auto filling.