Whether you buy a Storm or Apogee.... [Archive]

clocker2

11-30-05, 05:11 AM

Indeed.
Using the Storm on a DFI LP board you can actually mount the fan with two standoffs...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/ramfan.jpg

5|*42

11-30-05, 06:01 AM

Sweet, I just ordered one of the Apogee's from Jab-tech for 39 shipped. Now I can put some of the random fans I have laying around to use!

Vrykyl

11-30-05, 06:04 AM

does anyone know if the mounts for a D-Tek LRWW will let you do this?

fuzzba11

11-30-05, 06:12 AM

That's pretty ingenius, gotta give you props.

clocker2

11-30-05, 06:47 AM

If you're really into it, turns out that the hole spacing on a standard ATX motherboard is absolutely perfect to support an 80mm fan.
All you need is proper length standoffs...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/fan4arrow.jpg
Here's a shot of a DFI board to show the holes I used...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/mountexample.jpg
This allows a fan mount which blows onto the passive heatsinks in the PWM area and also (whether it's useful or not) over the sensor for "motherboard" temp (as reported in Speedfan, Everest, etc.)

DragonTattooz

11-30-05, 11:36 AM

That is a very, very good idea! Thanks for sharing. I've been trying to figure out a good, clean way to actively cool this Ballistix memory. This looks like just the solution I needed.

Senater_Cache

11-30-05, 02:56 PM

You guys arent worried about torque? Considering the A64s mount using only two holes with pressure along a single center axis, the fan on one end may create undesired lift on the opposing side. But I see how active cooling on vital components outweights thee possible minimal effect of the torque. Just utting it out there.

pwnt by pat

11-30-05, 03:02 PM

Neither of them appear to be using the two holes that mount the block to the board. Instead they are using the spare holes on the universal holddown.

crimedog

11-30-05, 03:04 PM

if you crank down the waterblock a 80mm fan's weight isn't going to affect anything...

i do this when i do dry ice runs, for pwm, ram, northbridge

Tat2monsta

11-30-05, 04:12 PM

haha gr8 way of mounting fans .. ive just cut a hole and fitted a fan in my window today. cools my ram nice. and just orderd a storm about 4 hours ago. so much hype.. had to get one :)

nikhsub1

11-30-05, 04:14 PM

Uhh, this is a very bad idea... even the weight of the hose itself can throw a mount off whack. I don't recommend hanging ANYTHING from the wb.

clocker2

11-30-05, 05:42 PM

Uhh, this is a very bad idea... even the weight of the hose itself can throw a mount off whack. I don't recommend hanging ANYTHING from the wb.
Well, I considered that possibility before I added the fan and decided to try it anyway.
Then again, unlike MO's setup (and most other people's for that matter), none of my waterblocks use springs in the mounting and it would take some pretty serious weight/vibration to shift the block.

Caveat emptor applies here just as with any mod, I suppose.

Senater_Cache

11-30-05, 07:15 PM

Uhh, this is a very bad idea... even the weight of the hose itself can throw a mount off whack. I don't recommend hanging ANYTHING from the wb.
Thats what I was getting at. I remember my SocketA 6002 which had quite a substantial amount of torque on it from just the water filled tubing; and that was attached with a 3 prong socketA clip, not just two centered-points like 939.

But on the other hand (what I said above) if you dont care about WB performance all that much, or at all, then go for it. give them MOSFETS some air. :-/

clocker2

11-30-05, 08:13 PM

But on the other hand (what I said above) if you dont care about WB performance all that much, or at all, then go for it. give them MOSFETS some air. :-/
Why would you assume that I (we) didn't care about performance?
None of my block temps changed a whit after mounting the fan or I would have reevaluated it's practicality and certainly would not have advocated it's use in this thread.

lithker

11-30-05, 08:25 PM

i do the same thing with my TDX using the wb mount rod but have it barly on with a nut and it resting on the tubing. i got it positioned to cool mosfets. my reasoning is if they make huge heavy heatsinks that way near 500g a wb and fan isnt much torque. i havnt seen any temp change in cpu but mosfets went from around 80c to high 40s under load and give much more stable power at high voltage. so for me personlly the benifets outwieght the risk.

MassiveOverkill

11-30-05, 08:30 PM

Water tubing (especially the thick stuff) can exert torque on your water block because essentially it's a long lever........albeit flexible........it's still a lever. Torque = force X distance (this is simplified). I'd have to hang a fan off a 2' (that's feet, not inches) long screw to create the kind of torque you're worried about overcoming the pressure of the springs.

Senater_Cache

11-30-05, 08:40 PM

Why would you assume that I (we) didn't care about performance?
None of my block temps changed a whit after mounting the fan or I would have reevaluated it's practicality and certainly would not have advocated it's use in this thread.
It wasnt meant to be condescending.
What Im getting at is that I said "all that much" not "that anyone didnt care about it (at all).
What I mean is its a tradeoff, and if a person is all about max WC performance (myself) and less about max OC ( pushing multiple components to the max, not just the WC) that person may not care about this.
I certainly didnt mean to cause a stirr. Hang away.

WarriorII

12-01-05, 12:33 AM

I like the idea, but having it "HANG" isn't a good idea.

What about adding 2 more non-conductive legs to the other side?

I think clocker2 has it goin' on. :)

:attn:

Ub3r-L33ch

12-01-05, 03:44 PM

Seems like a good idea to me, I've been looking for a way to cool my RAM.

Since some of you dont like this idea, whats a way you recommend to mount a fan over the RAM?

kswaid

12-01-05, 04:04 PM

Seems like a good idea to me, I've been looking for a way to cool my RAM.

Since some of you dont like this idea, whats a way you recommend to mount a fan over the RAM?

with a coat hanger

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=350891&highlight=ramfan

Slayer2003

12-01-05, 05:04 PM

clocker2

12-01-05, 05:26 PM

.....if anything, the mounting torque woulb be the least of my worries.

Yes, pcb is strong, but mount something to it tightly, with a consistant rapid vibration, and I really wouldn't want to know what would happen. :D
Yeah, these modern heatsink/fans have grown so larg....
Oh.
Were you referring to the effects of this weenie little 80mm Zalman?

Senater_Cache

12-02-05, 05:17 PM

.....if anything, the mounting torque woulb be the least of my worries.

Yes, pcb is strong, but mount something to it tightly, with a consistant rapid vibration, and I really wouldn't want to know what would happen. :D
If youre seriously worried about this ripping out your socket, how the hell can you not be concerned about torque at that point? See what I mean Clocker, some dude just dont care about Waterblock performance all that much.

killermiller

12-02-05, 06:27 PM

Senater_Cache

12-02-05, 08:12 PM

I did the same thing with my stock AMD fan... I thought about a larger fan but all I have are 120's. I dont thing weight is an issue because if you can mound a 750g heatsink to the backplate/mobo you can mound a 100g+/- to it. and as long as you tighten it down all the way it isn't going to lean to either side, That is my opinion.
Fact is the waterblock is incredibly likely to get an uneven surface contact / pressure mounting to the die/IHS with a fan attached to one side of it. Now If you are attaching the fan to the mobo-mounting hole and just using th eUniversal Mounting plate as a sort-of guide or stabilizer, then maybe, jutst maybe will your mounting not be affected by all that much. It really depends though.
Point:— Dont mount stuff to your waterblocck if you are trying to get the best performance out of it.

crimedog

12-02-05, 09:14 PM

Fact is the waterblock is incredibly likely to get an uneven surface contact / pressure mounting to the die/IHS with a fan attached to one side of it.
bs. getting a bad mount is not easy to do, almost impossible if you have an IHS. note, i'm not talking about noobs. while the weight can only detract from waterblock performance, the extra few grams of weight on one side of a waterblock isn't going to affect anything with a 1in^2 area with that much pressure on it.

Senater_Cache

12-02-05, 10:06 PM

bs. getting a bad mount is not easy to do, almost impossible if you have an IHS. note, i'm not talking about noobs. while the weight can only detract from waterblock performance, the extra few grams of weight on one side of a waterblock isn't going to affect anything with a 1in^2 area with that much pressure on it.
ok point taken, and my rebuttal is that I was in fact refferencing bare-die cpus such as the one I experienced the torque with. I have not played around much with IHS cpus but I believe that my previous statement still holds true even for IHS cpus, especially on 939 with its single axis mounting system and the storm (or apogee) Univ. Mounting Plate getting items attached at the outermost holes.