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El<(')>Maxi
12-03-05, 05:35 AM
Second try with this new card, I switched over to XP because I just couldn't get it to run the same clocks I was getting on XP in '05. I was quite surprised to see that the system scores we're faster than on my 2000/DX 8.1 partition, must be time to re-image it.
ATI X1800 XT on stock cooler 756/909
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8812555
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/44789756-910.jpg
I'll try it on the pelt tomorrow and see if the cold bug fix works.
Careface
12-03-05, 07:11 AM
dayum, nice clocks for stock cooler, and great '01 score :D cant wait for the pelt reults, good luck :beer:
Careface*
DAMN nice looking score for a stock cooler. I too hope the pelt works for ya, since i would love to see what this can do when you let loose on it.
HOLY ****
i'm trading in my 7800gtx thats it
Excellent result Maxi! Hopefully this will indeed fix the cold bug. I don't think I'll be satisfied till I see a 48k from ya. ;)
El<(')>Maxi
12-04-05, 12:15 AM
good luck
Careface*
:)
g[ts']DAMN nice looking score for a stock cooler. I too hope the pelt works for ya, since i would love to see what this can do when you let loose on it.
Ya not bad, I have a slipsteamed 2000 image now. Heading home to drop it onto a Raptor :)
HOLY ****
i'm trading in my 7800gtx thats it
:D
I don't think I'll be satisfied till I see a 48k from ya. ;)
Sheesh I'm not macci ;)
I'd actually be happy with 46K+. I'm toying with the idea of trying a 670 or possibly a Dothan but I'm not really interested in running a P4C board to be honest. So I guess the 670 is my first choice. Think that might be a good idea?
Naw, I don't think you'll like netburst much. I think P4's are all right, but they're the dead opposite of what I need for my purposes. :D And I'd figure you'd feel about the same way. The 670 has a good amount of hype around it, but you gotta consider that the only results worth anything that come from it use LN2. Even those, we've got one set in total...they're all right but nothing that your FX can't reckon with. The Dothan is a great choice for single card benching, and will beat out the 670 easy on every type of cooling short of LN2. In fact, I bet it would win 50% of the time even there. Dothan with P4GD1, or try and find one of those 3.8 gig DI FX'es...that'd be some fun right there.
El<(')>Maxi
12-04-05, 01:43 AM
Well I was thinking LN2 actually. The 18s PI's are what got my attention and especially kyosens recent runs, did you see those? 7Ghz 670 looks faster than even LN2 Dothans because of the superior P5WD2 board. Hmmm, my only problem is the lack of a dewar.
maxi about time ati gave you something back
i to have been thinking about intel rig, getting a good fx is to much of a lottery
and for the amount they cost, haven't supper cooled mine yet so dont know how it will do 0530
i have been getting ready for some ln2 and the dewer can be hired for $10
a month from the supplier we are having an OC UK meet on the 28th to use it
in my case b.o.c drop off the dewer then a ln2 truck delivers the ln2 (25lit min) and just fills up ya dewer
the dewer it self to buy over here is around $1200
Well I was thinking LN2 actually. The 18s PI's are what got my attention and especially kyosens recent runs, did you see those? 7Ghz 670 looks faster than even LN2 Dothans because of the superior P5WD2 board. Hmmm, my only problem is the lack of a dewar.
I had a feeling you were, I still don't think they're the way to go. On LN2, its indecisive. There are LN2 cooled Dothans that can beat other LN2 cooled 670's in PI. I think in the long run, cracking 19 sec is way easier with a Dothan than a 670...the latter is more hit or miss. Also there's no doubt in my mind that a Dothan will take out any 670 in 01. Kyosen was who I was referring to. Very fast, but his results are beatable even with the right FX. I see plenty of excuses from the Intel camp, but hows about explaining why only one person out there has half-decent results from a P4? And even those lagging behind the Dothans and FXes.
I guess I'm just too biased. :D
mikeguava
12-04-05, 02:18 PM
check if you have a local airgas branch where you live ~ $100 for 180liters $3/day rental for the dewar. Go low pressure and you're set to go...GL
RedDragonXXX
12-05-05, 02:45 AM
Hey Maxi could you do a run on 3DMark05 with stock FX clocks cause I'm interested to see what it will score since I'm in a market for a new vid card and I'm either going to get this or 7800GT.
El<(')>Maxi
12-05-05, 04:19 AM
@ baz,
Dang thats a cheap dewar you have lined up. Nice :D
I had a feeling you were, I still don't think they're the way to go. On LN2, its indecisive. There are LN2 cooled Dothans that can beat other LN2 cooled 670's in PI. I think in the long run, cracking 19 sec is way easier with a Dothan than a 670...the latter is more hit or miss. Also there's no doubt in my mind that a Dothan will take out any 670 in 01. Kyosen was who I was referring to. Very fast, but his results are beatable even with the right FX. I see plenty of excuses from the Intel camp, but hows about explaining why only one person out there has half-decent results from a P4? And even those lagging behind the Dothans and FXes.
Well if I'm not mistaken the PI record is still on a 670 and kyosen set two or three records on those 3D runs for FPS in a couple of tests. For '01 I think Kingpins Dothan-P4C800 combo only beat out his system tests in Lobby Low. Plus he wasn't optimized for '01 whatsoever.
But you might be right especially after seeing kinc's recent numbers with that 3.9+Ghz FX.
@Mike,
Thanks for the tips. I'll give them a call :)
@Dragon,
Sure as soon as I have my monitor back I can do that. Do you want it with stock card as well?
RedDragonXXX
12-05-05, 06:04 AM
Either way would be great longest the CPU is on stock.
Thanx a bunch for doing this cause I need all the help that I can get. If XT proves good I'll dish out extra $$$ and get it instead of 7800GT which I was originally planning to get.
Thanx again :beer:
speed bump
12-05-05, 09:54 AM
Nice scores there maxi you keep tempting me not to go back to Nvidia with your 01 genius.
On maybe trying alternative platforms wait until January for the 65nm P4s which netburst or not beat should beat on dothan when overclocked.
On the Dothan side the trick is finding a P4GD1 which might be possible but I think Saaya group buy might have made them rarer than hens teeth now. (Of course there is always the pick em up after someone finds out it isn't the magic bullet they wanted;) )
I had a feeling you were, I still don't think they're the way to go. On LN2, its indecisive. There are LN2 cooled Dothans that can beat other LN2 cooled 670's in PI. I think in the long run, cracking 19 sec is way easier with a Dothan than a 670...the latter is more hit or miss. Also there's no doubt in my mind that a Dothan will take out any 670 in 01. Kyosen was who I was referring to. Very fast, but his results are beatable even with the right FX. I see plenty of excuses from the Intel camp, but hows about explaining why only one person out there has half-decent results from a P4? And even those lagging behind the Dothans and FXes.
I guess I'm just too biased.
I'll see what I can do for you with this 550 in about a week when the semesters over and in January when the 65nm P4s come out.
@ baz,
Dang thats a cheap dewar you have lined up. Nice :D
Well if I'm not mistaken the PI record is still on a 670 and kyosen set two or three records on those 3D runs for FPS in a couple of tests. For '01 I think Kingpins Dothan-P4C800 combo only beat out his system tests in Lobby Low. Plus he wasn't optimized for '01 whatsoever.
But you might be right especially after seeing kinc's recent numbers with that 3.9+Ghz FX.
@Mike,
Thanks for the tips. I'll give them a call :)
@Dragon,
Sure as soon as I have my monitor back I can do that. Do you want it with stock card as well?
Sure the Pi record is by a 670...what everyone always fails to realize is that its only by about half a second. And the Japanese have clearly not been benching the Dothans as aggressively as they have been the 670s. That half second can be made up easily if someone pulled out a well tweaked Dothan run at around 4 gigs, which is possible in the right hands. Furthermore, unlike the 670, the Dothan does well on every type of cooling. Even on LN2 I'd go as far to say that its a lot more consistent...IMHO the 670 is luck of the draw. I don't remember the P4 score too well in details, but 46k on LN2...well...that puts it about a full 5000 behind the Dothan record. No amount of optimizing can make up that much. A couple thousand maybe.
El<(')>Maxi
12-05-05, 03:47 PM
OK I'm convinced now, I must get a 670 :D
Heh, up to you...but even you'd have to admit, the single piece of hardware that'll really help your scores is a 7800GTX 512 (preferably 2).
speed bump
12-05-05, 05:55 PM
Sure the Pi record is by a 670...what everyone always fails to realize is that its only by about half a second. And the Japanese have clearly not been benching the Dothans as aggressively as they have been the 670s. That half second can be made up easily if someone pulled out a well tweaked Dothan run at around 4 gigs, which is possible in the right hands. Furthermore, unlike the 670, the Dothan does well on every type of cooling. Even on LN2 I'd go as far to say that its a lot more consistent...IMHO the 670 is luck of the draw. I don't remember the P4 score too well in details, but 46k on LN2...well...that puts it about a full 5000 behind the Dothan record. No amount of optimizing can make up that much. A couple thousand maybe.
That card was on water the CPU was on LN2 the dothan was on LN2 the 7800GTX was on LN2.
I have thus far only seen one 670 not break 7ghz on LN2 and that was Harleybro's. Also check out what Ross is doing with his 5.5ghz benchable on a single stage.
Also the only motherboard that can hold a dothan and a PCI-e cards is a P4gd1 which granted will hit 280mhz with a good set of BH-5 but just isn't the mobo for Pi and the P4c800 doesn't have the ability to push BH-5 as high.
No, the P4C800-E Deluxe is perfectly capable of running BH5 at speeds higher than the P4GD1. Experienced tweakers just know its better not to and run tighter parameters. My 250MHz will destroy a P4GD1 running at 280 2-2-2, no doubt. 280 2-2-2 isn't "for granted." It takes probably one in a thousand modules to do that.
And just what do you mean you've seen "only one" 670 not break 7 gigahertz? You make it sound as if everyone sticks them under LN2. I've seen what Ross is doing, I know how the P4's perform. He's done great work but you can't escape the fact that there are Dothans that would outperform that on air. (Absolutely no offense to you at all, Ross, if you read this, just proving a point.)
With all due respect, you make it sound as if overclocks and scores fall easily from the sky. In reality, hardware varies ridiculously; its straight luck for half of it, skill is the rest. LN2 takes one hell of a lot of skill. I've seen most of these Japanese around for the past 3 years, and they've been using LN2 since then. It's taken the rest of the world this long to catch on to it. Those guys are more capable of squeezing more speed out than just about anyone else out there. I don't see FUGGER doing anything more than a 7 gig BIOS shot...what good is that now? And that's nothing against his skill, just a testament to how difficult getting top-notch clocks like those are.
mikeguava
12-05-05, 10:59 PM
benching a 670 is easier than you think :burn: just stinks in 3DMark05 - my preferred game...just have to dare to push the Vcore...a lot...
How far have you gotten her? Mhz-wise?
El<(')>Maxi
12-06-05, 12:32 AM
Ya Mike lets see where she's at, any '01 runs on it ;)
Gautam I think Team Japan benched alot on Dothan. Now they have moved on to the 670's and are doing better with them, but not by much. Either way it would be interesting to try one. But as you already know I would be alot happier with a 3.8+Ghz FX. My only try on DI with this 57 was very dissapointing, I can't even run PI on it anymore. Still runs 3D thank god :D
Weird about the PI. Even still your FX is very impressive, and nothing to be disappointed about. I am 100% sure though that those 3.8 gig DI FX'es are special. Your temps, as you noted yourself are almost identical to DI. You've got one of the, if not the best single stage in the world. Here's a random thought, how about an Opty 154?
El<(')>Maxi
12-06-05, 12:58 AM
Same price as FX and Oppainters didn't do any better than a good FX. Still it's a good idea. I need a bigger bank account to try out 10 or so FX's till I find a good one I guess ;)
Personally I think OPP had a lot more in it than he wanted to show us. At least thats usually the way it turns out with him. Looks like you just might have to find a hook-up...wonder if Mike could be of any assistance here. ;)
El<(')>Maxi
12-07-05, 04:43 AM
Cold bug is gone and it seems to like the pelt pretty well :)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8817492
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/46313823-963.jpg
:thup: now tweak that thing a tad more ;) i just cant help but fell there is more in it, but WTF do i know. cant afford to try them to see.
seriously tho nice work.
Agree with D]g[ts. Puts you in 16th place overall, bringing an overall front-pager to OCF...all I can do is stand on the sidelines and :drool:. :thup: Still its sort of odd that there are all of those 256meg SLI scores beating you out with lower CPU speeds...I would've expected 1x x1800xt > 2x7800gtx 256. And oh so close to the big 500 in Nature.
speed bump
12-07-05, 01:46 PM
Guatam Nvidia tweaked the 7800GTXs alittle bit I think becuase they seem to do all right in 01(nearly 51k for 512mb and 47k 256mb single card) and the X1800s lose alittle bit of the strength that they had on the other tests for the gains they get in nature.
JasonDTM
12-07-05, 02:03 PM
You eventually going to try to get a run with a 200+fps Car High average like you did with your X850 or whatever... that'd make a godly run if you could get a real damn good Car Low, Lobby High and Nature. :)
Guatam Nvidia tweaked the 7800GTXs alittle bit I think becuase they seem to do all right in 01(nearly 51k for 512mb and 47k 256mb single card) and the X1800s lose alittle bit of the strength that they had on the other tests for the gains they get in nature.
Hate to say this speedy, but that tweak happens to be a LN2 on dothan. WHere the XT stands under these conditions is yet to be seen. Hints to maxi LOL
You eventually going to try to get a run with a 200+fps Car High average like you did with your X850 or whatever... that'd make a godly run if you could get a real damn good Car Low, Lobby High and Nature. :)
The X1800XT hurts the system tests a little compared to the X850. Car high only varies by about .1 FPS per run at most, translating into nothing more than a 2 point difference.
Digits and I were discussing the possibility of bad drivers causing this, and perhaps modding the X8xx series drivers for usage with the R520...preferably cat 4.12, though I wouldn't expect this to be possible.
El<(')>Maxi
12-07-05, 02:25 PM
There's more there for sure, I really wish the modded Mach I was working to put on the card. So I guess the next step is DI as this is about maxed out on the pelt. But man, I've never seen a more pretty bench. Zero artifacts and crystal clear. I guess I need to apply more clocks ;)
One thing for sure the CL bug is mostly gone on this platform. 20 runs of it as the last test and the most variation I saw was 150 points with most runs coming up nearly the same.
One thing for sure the CL bug is mostly gone on this platform. 20 runs of it as the last test and the most variation I saw was 150 points with most runs coming up nearly the same.I hate to say this, but i'll bet it still is there. I had 1 helluva time even on my x850 getting the "good" run. But knew i could do it, cus of a lower clocked test run showed it was there. Then again i could be wrong as usual ;)
El<(')>Maxi
12-07-05, 10:44 PM
You might be right d]g[ts :) It's still there but it seems alot harder to get and the differences seem less.
Still its sort of odd that there are all of those 256meg SLI scores beating you out with lower CPU speeds
Look at their system tests, SLI is stupid when run with LOD. Anybody can do that :D
You might be right d]g[ts :) It's still there but it seems alot harder to get and the differences seem less.
Look at their system tests, SLI is stupid when run with LOD. Anybody can do that :D
even with lod there is a deep secret that only a handful of mad men and one dog called Harold no about sli benching
mikeguava
12-11-05, 07:14 AM
Ya Mike lets see where she's at, any '01 runs on it ;)
Gautam I think Team Japan benched alot on Dothan. Now they have moved on to the 670's and are doing better with them, but not by much. Either way it would be interesting to try one. But as you already know I would be alot happier with a 3.8+Ghz FX. My only try on DI with this 57 was very dissapointing, I can't even run PI on it anymore. Still runs 3D thank god :D
Haven't been able to play with the 670 lately , slightly over 6ghz for now - without going really cold ...yet.
Will hopefully be able to run a bit the next weekend - will try for some 01s...
3.8GHZ is really almost impossible for DI it seems - possibly with the Expert things will be a bit easier - since the CPU temps are down by 10C. Haven't had a chance to ruin ( typo?) the Xpert on cold. I sold a FX57 to formyfaith who can run the 57 @ 3.81 32M SPI stable on dice on Expert - looks promising.
With the little time I had only been focusing on X850XT CF this week - man that is real fun so far! Here's a pic of a SLI/CF container that Chilly is letting me beta test for him.
FYI this is a bone stock 7800GTX 512 on stock cooler no LOD, No bios mods etc. - just stock overclocked:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1533221
Cards going into one sweet system for a member here at OCF - man he'll be really really happy once they are fully modded. The dark side is not that bad after all Maxi.
BTW LOD is also possible on 01 with ATI cards - havn't tried it - but am 90% certain
mikeguava
12-11-05, 10:23 AM
even with lod there is a deep secret that only a handful of mad men and one dog called Harold no about sli benching
where can I find that dog? Need to talk to him
xTrEmEoVrClOcKr
12-11-05, 10:41 AM
Good work so far. Are you going to vmod your XT? That might give you 47 or 48k :).
El<(')>Maxi
12-11-05, 06:01 PM
FYI this is a bone stock 7800GTX 512 on stock cooler no LOD, No bios mods etc. - just stock overclocked:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1533221
Cards going into one sweet system for a member here at OCF - man he'll be really really happy once they are fully modded. The dark side is not that bad after all Maxi.
BTW LOD is also possible on 01 with ATI cards - havn't tried it - but am 90% certain
Yes the 512 GTX is obviously a very good card. Only problem is all the top benches you see on the ORB are LOD tweaked and there's no consistiency bench to bench because of different LOD settings. I would have no problem running a GTX or any Nvidia card if LOD didn't exist.
And your right about doing something similar with ATI, someone on XS has already done it and killed their card in the process. Fortunately what he did is not becoming common knowledge and there is no freely available app to exploit it.
Good luck with the Expert, hope it treats you well :)
@xTrEmEoVrClOcKr
No vmods required on this card, ATI has implemented voltage control via software :)
Everyone uses LOD, that's what's consistent. I don't see the problem. Seems like everyone pretty much uses +3...its just like turning the quality settings down for ATi, except way lower, at least thats how I see it. I'd like to hear your viewpoint though.
mikeguava
12-11-05, 06:39 PM
Yes the 512 GTX is obviously a very good card. Only problem is all the top benches you see on the ORB are LOD tweaked and there's no consistiency bench to bench because of different LOD settings. I would have no problem running a GTX or any Nvidia card if LOD didn't exist.
And your right about doing something similar with ATI, someone on XS has already done it and killed their card in the process. Fortunately what he did is not becoming common knowledge and there is no freely available app to exploit it.
Good luck with the Expert, hope it treats you well :)
@xTrEmEoVrClOcKr
No vmods required on this card, ATI has implemented voltage control via software :)
Don't dare to run the xpert cold yet...gonaa wait it out for a couple of weeks.
The reason why the guy on XS killed his card was because he ran the card into having the card carsh while it remains a black screen - yet 3DMark thinks it's still running. Didn't have anything with a LOD tweak.
I never really run 01, but I assume LOD has a much bigger impact on 01. 05 is hardly anthing gained.
speed bump
12-11-05, 10:23 PM
And your right about doing something similar with ATI, someone on XS has already done it and killed their card in the process. Fortunately what he did is not becoming common knowledge and there is no freely available app to exploit it.
Try rage3d tweaker, although to install it you need to read the tweaking guide at tweaktown using any other drivers than the rage3d drivers.
El<(')>Maxi
12-11-05, 10:40 PM
I dunno, I see alot of inconsistency with GTX ran at similar clocks. I think the hardcore guys run it over 10. Kyosens 670 runs show us what a real Nvidia benchmark looks like with normal performance settings.
I guess the difference to me is I can change AA, AF and so can any Nvidia user. The difference is they can take image degradation to a whole new level with LOD while the ATI user cannot, at least not that I've seen. Even if it is possible on ATI there is not a free Utility like Rivatuner that lets you do it so easily.
Mike you may be right about '03 & '05, I don't know what LOD does in those tests. It would be interesting to see some compares.
mikeguava
12-12-05, 12:49 AM
I dunno, I see alot of inconsistency with GTX ran at similar clocks. I think the hardcore guys run it over 10. Kyosens 670 runs show us what a real Nvidia benchmark looks like with normal performance settings.
I guess the difference to me is I can change AA, AF and so can any Nvidia user. The difference is they can take image degradation to a whole new level with LOD while the ATI user cannot, at least not that I've seen. Even if it is possible on ATI there is not a free Utility like Rivatuner that lets you do it so easily.
Mike you may be right about '03 & '05, I don't know what LOD does in those tests. It would be interesting to see some compares.
I'll put some comparos up next week. So far during a quick run thru on the 512MB in 05 I saw ~ 150points with LOD +3, same with LOD +5 , LOD+ 7, LOD + 9 , LOD +15 - this was only a very rough and unprecise comparo - and I am sure somewhere there might be a sweetspot - but wasn't in the frame of mind to look deeply into that issue yet.
The hardcore guys have a different LOD for each test in 01 - yes it's wild!
AFAIK the impact in 01 is very obivous - but not for 05. 03 I think will have a slightly bigger impact, but not nearly as much as in some test in 01.
I used to be turned off by the NVIDA LOD stuff when I was hardcore ATI - especially when I saw what could happen with ATI LOD cheats ( nvidas call em tweaks) ( not possible in 05 ) but so far my worst fears haven't become true yet.
Part of the reason why I like the 05 game so much is that there are a lot less "tweaks" to do things that other might or might not...and it's a much more even playing field.
But back to topic - how's your XT treating you? From what I hear CF will be a HIT!
Part of the reason why I like the 05 game so much is that there are a lot less "tweaks" to do things that other might or might not...and it's a much more even playing field.
Hrmm....that's part of the reason why I don't like it so much...;)
El<(')>Maxi
12-20-05, 05:22 AM
Couple of updates and finally got off some '03. Still on pelt, and now with approved drivers ;)
Compare Link (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4486465)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/22060-783-954.jpg
Really gonna have to do something for 12K here.
Compare Link (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1583312)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/11791-810-954.jpg
excellent my friend #1 X1800 overall in 05, and #2 X1800 in 03
Something to be proud of.
speed bump
12-20-05, 10:16 AM
nice job and good luck on getting up to 12k in 05.
Very very nice my friend. :beer: Now we gotta get you to the top in 03. Looks like SIOUX has a little more GPU power, but you've got one hell of a lot more CPU power. Surprising how big a role the GPU still plays here...
well done maxi it is a great feeling when you start to get inside the card and no what to do
xwoodoo
12-20-05, 06:40 PM
maxi just continues to do a good job . Congrats ... nice end of year :thup: .
I never really run '01, but I assume LOD has a much bigger impact on '01. '05 is hardly anthing gained.
specially for nature '01, LOD is like NOS . but u can barely see what bench u are running :p . '03 & '05 is close to nothing .
El<(')>Maxi
12-20-05, 08:18 PM
I think I'll order a master from Ass-shop next week and try the CF-DR out, maybe I can kill some CPU's too ;)
Heading to Phoenix Thursday for a week, Merry Christmas everybody :santa:
Merry Christmas to you too :santa:! Though it looks like your holidays will be happy enough with that MasterCard on its way. :drool:
HousERaT
12-21-05, 08:02 PM
Really gonna have to do something for 12K here.
Excellent scores there bro..... looking real good. Anyone with an X1800XT start messing around with memory timings yet?
Maxi...... travel safely and happy holidays. :thup:
The RaT
El<(')>Maxi
12-30-05, 04:44 AM
Well I wish Santa had brought me this but I had to bankroll it on my own :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/CF-Master.jpg
Hoping for some testing time tomorrow.
:drool: now quit makin us wait, and show us what you can do with it. :p
El<(')>Maxi
12-31-05, 10:01 AM
Well the RDX just smoked my PC Power & Cooling 510 SLI :rolleyes:
Replaced with OCZ 520 and looks to be handling the setup alright, but no joy enabling CF yet.
Well the RDX just smoked my PC Power & Cooling 510 SLI :rolleyes:
Replaced with OCZ 520 and looks to be handling the setup alright, but no joy enabling CF yet.
sampsa has a how to activate thread on cross fire here
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83957
Ouch...what is up with these boards?? I'm guessing PCP&C will replace it though. Best of luck again, this is going to be groundbreaking.
El<(')>Maxi
01-01-06, 06:11 AM
Well CF is pretty much worthless for '01, your better of running a single card. And it simply won't work on W2K, that was the problem. I did have some fun with '03 tonight. Still I need to tame this board, the 3800 is good for close to 3Ghz on air but its not happening yet on the RDX.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4516939
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/CF.jpg
Wow, lots of potential there. Disappointing to hear about 01...I had really high hopes for Crossfire there. Your GT1 is actually a hair faster than my Dothan clock for clock, looks like they did a nice job with these drivers. Now you would think that that would translate to good 01 scores, but I guess not.
Joe Camel
01-01-06, 10:16 AM
huh, that 03 score is CRAZY!!
lol my "wings" score beats yours though :p
Maxi,
thanks for paving the way and documenting your X-Fire results!!!
i just couldnt put $1.5k+ into my rig without knowing what kind of #'s would be there...:beer:
(all of us ATi fanboi's are X'n our fingers for X-fire and you!)
speed bump
01-01-06, 01:47 PM
Looking good so far. I cant wait until crossfire development gets to the level of SLI then we might see some real power from it :)
RangerXLT8
01-01-06, 09:09 PM
Pretty darn impressive there maxi. Can't wait to see more.
My XT will be here Tuesday so Tuesday afterwork I will be runnin XT crossfire aswell.
Got X1800XT after my last X850 burned ...scores after 1 day of benching:
3DM03 -20449 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4518150)
3DM05 - 9431 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1640123)
so max benchable for now is something about 750/950MHz with lot of artifacts :p
I will stay with one card :) but scores in crossfire are really impressive :thup: and I'm waiting for more ...
one question to El<(')>Maxi ... what was max voltage that you use on stock cooled x1800xt (core and mem)??
max ya gona put the 57 in there on phase
El<(')>Maxi
01-02-06, 04:58 AM
Wow '05 is very CPU limited with Crossfire. I managed to get the 3800 going a bit better, not bad for air eh ;)
Comparo (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1642483)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/15063-715-877.jpg
Here's what CF does with '01 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8848140)
Also 33K in '03 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4519156)
@ abe,
Nice scores sir, I ran 1.4v & 1.125v on single card XT benches or somewhere around there. Some guys like loco have pushed 1.5v on stock air with cold ambients :)
Hey Joe,
Thanks for stoppin by :)
Yes bazx, I will possibly next week. I'm gonna tweak this setup first, just testing tonight with 2048 kit of GSkill, and then when I'm finished with air (shortly), I will try it out on the Baker unit. Then its the FX's turn.
Max I tried was 1,47V for core and 2,26 for mem ...cooler to the max :cool: .... but like everybody see scores not so good because of cpu ... i wish to have something better than water or air cooling. I have to think bout that hard :p
El<(')>Maxi
01-02-06, 05:23 AM
According to macci dropping memory voltages below stock can make the memory clock even higher. Haven't tried that yet.
hmm .... i have to try this :) ...
I'm using ati tool for core + voltage settings and riva tuner for memory. Ati tool won't work when I'm changing memory clocks and riva tuner with core clock - black or blue screen after applying settings :p
El<(')>Maxi
01-02-06, 05:45 AM
ATI Tool beta 11 works perfectly with everything for me but you have to disable ATI Smart & ATI Hotkey Poller in Services Manager.
Btw, that also fixes the cold bug if you get that far :)
Usually temps around 30*C are good for me :p .... but it's winter so i can try outdoor overclocking on -0*C air :cool:
..i have somewhere 226W pelt but i have to get something for cooling this :) , friend got phase but he's living too far from me :(
btw: which drivers are you using ?? ...because those whql from Ati site aren't fm approved (5.11 ,5.12, 5.13)
El<(')>Maxi
01-03-06, 01:20 PM
Bad cold bug on this 3800, it won't even boot @ -20°. I'm gonna try one trick tonight and if that doesn't work I'll try the FX. I also have an idea about '01 that I think is pretty good.
@abe
Only approved drivers are the ones that shipped with the card. If you don't have them I could upload them somewhere.
Joe Camel
01-03-06, 06:04 PM
ATI Tool beta 11 works perfectly with everything for me but you have to disable ATI Smart & ATI Hotkey Poller in Services Manager.
Btw, that also fixes the cold bug if you get that far :)
so its official, no more cold bug on x1800 cards? (fixable)
and adjustable voltage (in windows) ... huh....:drool:
El<(')>Maxi
01-03-06, 08:38 PM
Not on card but on A64's yes ;)
Man I just had a really fast '03 going @ 3.25Ghz and cards started artifacting in Nature. Once that happens on CF you must reboot and I couldn't control the temps anymore so no boot :D
Waiting for Rotary to cool down to try again.
speed bump
01-03-06, 09:52 PM
Good luck I know the feeling though just pulled off a 270 nature run at 600/615 on my x850 went again and crashed half way through the run
@abe
Only approved drivers are the ones that shipped with the card. If you don't have them I could upload them somewhere.
I haven't got much time for benching last days but i was trying with lower mem voltage and I have one new score -> 22044 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4525455) i think this is a bug in nature but 910MHz on mem with 1,98V no artifacts and driver settings wasn't set to performance :)
I have to find this fm approved drivers now, and get some free time :p
What's the 01 idea? :D Is that 3.25 gigs from the X2? Looks like you're having no other choice than to do plenty of damage in benchies other than 01. :p
Abe, that's really nice hardware there, but either its your drivers, or something went way wrong with that nature...
El<(')>Maxi
01-04-06, 11:35 PM
Well the '01 idea didn't work. I thought maybe DX9 had something to do with it. It's weird Nature starts out around 360Fps, very low for what you'd expect on CF. The one place where it seems to do somthing is when it pans the pool, then the frames max at 999 for a couple of seconds until it pans away. Final FPS is around 460Fps, lower than single card.
I got tired of trying to tame the cold bug on the 3800 and switched to the FX. I was a little leery of the CPU swap :D
But no problems at all and I actually picked up some Mhz running on the RDX. I really like this board actually, ATI & DFI have done a very nice job. I think there is still some room on these. This Gskill is pretty good but I need to try the old standbye.
03 Compare (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4526382)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/34055-722-882.jpg
05 Compare (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1654988)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/16231-722-882.jpg
WOW :drool:
Lets see which categories you've pwned thus far...05 approved, 2nd place unapproved, 03 both approved and unapproved, 2nd place in 01...anyone dare to say our team isn't competitive? :D
Now lets see you take out Sampsa in 05. :D
xTrEmEoVrClOcKr
01-05-06, 12:19 AM
H O L Y S * * * .... 3.7GHZ ON 1.4V (That the real voltage?) ... . THAT CHIP IS A GEM ....*bows down to Maxi*
*Just got the info, on 1.71v its alright :)*.
I was like, w/ that much voltage left .. 300mhz would be a snap :P
El<(')>Maxi
01-05-06, 12:21 AM
Well Sampsa was on LN2 on the cards, these are on air. What do you think might happen? ;)
Hey Xoverclocker, thats a CPU-Z bug on the RDX. Real vcore is 1.71v :D
speed bump
01-05-06, 12:38 AM
Sick scores really getting up there and showing off ATIs power
Damn sick scores Maxi! Nice job...get those cores cooled :)
El<(')>Maxi
01-06-06, 10:28 PM
Almost ready to bench these on a dual pelt setup and I hear that Futuremark will fix the unapproved driver problem shortly. I'm thinking of selling off some gear so I can grab an FX-60 next week, that should work pretty good. Only thing I'm not liking is if I sell the FX-57, I won't be able to run 01 as fast anymore.
Hey Speed did you ever build any GPU tubes?
Thx Ross, hey if you get a chance post a Particle Fury with your new 940.
Excellent, I was expecting you'd grab an FX60. It looks like the cold bug might be tricky, but it just might work out for your benefit like it did for the most part with the FX57's.
speed bump
01-07-06, 03:26 AM
Never got around to building any tubes becuase we didn't really use the shop for ASME this semster
Whats really been kicking around in my head to do though is build a threaded base so you can change tube lengths and somewhat sizes for different space constraints. That and its just a pain in the butt to even get an effiecent heat transfer method(might have it in 3 years after more thermo and HVAC classes than most people would care to have in anything).
Hopefully the new dual core drivers affect 01 also if you do decide to go for the DC route. Personally I have decided to wait just alittle bit longer
El<(')>Maxi
01-07-06, 05:51 AM
That threaded idea is good, I was thinking of a press fit very tight tolerance 2-piece tube that would allow any base design. I'll probably never build it but I'm sure it would work well.
xwoodoo
01-09-06, 03:34 PM
well done maxi :D :thup:
nice #2 for single card X1800XT :D ...
I got one X1800XT a fiew days ago and i am ready to bench ...
unfortunately u are always one step ahead :bang head (already got a crossfire :D).
Here is a partial result 45212 :
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/xwoodoo/3DK2001_X1800XT_45212.jpg
El<(')>Maxi
01-09-06, 11:32 PM
Thats a great score woodoo, good job :)
Try some more voltage on the card, in fact I need to revisit '01 single card for that reason. 1.45V will be good for more core clocks.
xwoodoo
01-10-06, 12:40 PM
Thanx maxi ... u should remake 01' for sure coz fugger it's on #2 now .
I have to improve clocks on video ; already used 1.45v on Gpu but need better cooling .
but i can get more on Cpu with 13x280 2x512M BH-5 :D .
I might get a 22.9x" on SPi 1M these days .
El<(')>Maxi
01-10-06, 02:19 PM
I don't know why he isn't #1, it's almost like he ran the card stock or something. Nice to see Intel finally has a good 3D chip.
280mhz 2X512? I'll believe that when I see it ;)
xwoodoo
01-10-06, 05:19 PM
hehe Dothan it's a daemn powerfull chip for '01 too bad they did not have SLi.
About 2x512M @280Mhz 1.5-2-2-X do u think i am kidding ?:D Old BH-5 rullez these latencies ...
here is the lite version (2x256M pair ) just to test the FX 57 memory controller
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/xwoodoo/FX_OP_Corsair_280Mhz.jpg :thup:
El<(')>Maxi
01-10-06, 05:25 PM
Actually he did that on a 955XE/LN2 ;)
2X256 280mhz? Sure I can do that too, 2X512 never seen it stable :)
Isn't the 1M record somewhere around 290MHz? It's doable with a golden pair of sticks. Fugger, heh, I don't think its any secret that he's clueless as far as benchmarking goes...he even managed to eff up a Dothan's pi abilities, lol.
I'm not sure why the Presler is doing so well actually, it's either dual core optimization or just those newer drivers kicking in. 6 gigs shouldn't be enough to outrun your speeds, I'd imagine...bring it back home Maxi. :D
El<(')>Maxi
01-10-06, 07:59 PM
What 2nd spot? Thats possible until he overclocks that card. 1st I think is impossible unless I could get the Mousepot going on FX. I need to try again, just kinda disillusioned after the first go round. Anyway it looks like there is another level of cold bug on the 1800's, screen corruption under -40° or so.
I pretty sure thats why the press guys got a special BIOS for Ibeza, one that runs a higher vcore to aviod the problems around -40°. I've never hit that temp on X1800 yet so dunno.
I don't think its any secret that he's clueless as far as benchmarking goes...
:D :D :D
RangerXLT8
01-10-06, 11:31 PM
Uhhh maxi, I hate to be off topic, but how are you OCing your x1800 CF. Do you set 3d voltages(like 1.4v or something) in ati tool, or do you start raising it from 1.275v? I cannot seem to OC mine.
El<(')>Maxi
01-11-06, 12:52 AM
Yes ATI Tool beta 11 only with both ATI services disabled, 1.45v & 100% fan speeds when benching. Have you disabled the services or not?
speed bump
01-11-06, 09:23 AM
Guatam he may be clueless to benching but hey he certainly can make any Intel CPU put up high numbers, of course being one of the inventors of the cascade helps out. Also I hope he was on stock air with the card at 750/810.
Good luck on the mousepot Maxi if you could get a nice little 100mhz boost from that and maybe put your baker on the x1800 if it would work you could hopefully push 50k :)
El<(')>Maxi
01-18-06, 02:32 AM
Had some fun benching tonight on Dual pelt setup, cards are clocking very well.
I'll try to find out what these will really do tomorrow, I ran out of ice tonight :)
Compare (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4559596)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/35720-796-913.jpg
Compare (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1717468)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/16657-805-922.jpg
maxi is the 57 on dice?
very good results dude you sure are getting to no how to work X
*edit* just read again ran out of ice :santa:
Amazing! Just 4 MHz away in 05...that's gotta hurt, heh. I don't understand what's going wrong with SLI in 01. Something is up, as your 36k coincides perfectly with a flat 100k in AM3. Usually the results of those two benches are very comparable and scale similarly. I wonder why Fugger isn't having problems?
And what's this about GSkill?
El<(')>Maxi
01-18-06, 06:47 PM
maxi is the 57 on dice?
It should be, I have everything here I need.
Gautam,
I'll see if I can get off a run @ 3.7Ghz tonight. Running GSKill 2GB because I cannot run BH-5 on this damn board and it's killing me!! :D
I do have a couple of idea's about that I will try soon.
Nice, hope you get it figured out soon. If nothing else though, I really wanna see a single-card AM3 from you sometime down the road. Oh and a bit OT, but have been curious to see what you're benching rig looks like as well. Do you have one of those cart dealies all the pros seem to use? Think I might need one myself eventually.
El<(')>Maxi
01-18-06, 11:59 PM
Got one done @ 3.7Ghz :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/16774-833-940.jpg
03 is still scaling like crazy.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/36764-830-936.jpg
Here's what this mess looks like.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/Bench-rig2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/Bench-rig.jpg
Tried 06 but this monitor only supports 1024 x 768. 06 looks like a rehash mostly, only new GT is Deep Freeze. What are they thinking on the CPU tests LOL :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/8808-830-930.jpg
Day-um someone's been busy! Sexah...3.7 gigs single stage through 05 is earth-shattering. Funny how they still show you on the first page of 06...
I'm sure you've already tried, but I'll ask anyways. Any shot of the 13x multi, or can the ram not take it?
single stage through 05 is earth-shatteringWell, with a rotary comp, it's like a single stage and a half ;) Nice Maxi! Tell me that Panaflo (H1A?) is just laying there on the vid cards and doesn't fly off when you power up?
I am pretty sure I've reached my limit on the tight timings with the Mushkin. Between the edge on the proc OC and the stressing them out, I had to drop them down to default latencies to keep the speed and keep everything stable. SPi's aren't that much slower, but it will take an extra FSB or 2 to make up for it, which is a tall order. Slower speeds with the tighter timings aren't as good.
Oh, I also remembered AFTER I did the /maxmem=105...only do that if booting into Diag mode or your normal desktop will take a day and a half to load, LOL. I haven't tried it with Safe Mode on XP...might be OK. I don't think either of the reg tweaks helped...if they did anything, it wasn't by a noticeable amount :(
El<(')>Maxi
01-19-06, 01:42 AM
Guatam,
I think this Ram might do it I just need to work on it. That will be the next project along with some BH-5.
Ross,
I'm not sure what fan that is but it moves a ton of air. MAXMEM is a weird one, I'm not really sure about that one either. I know for a fact that LargeSystemCache does alot for 32M, I've never compared it on a 1M run. Personally I think that LSC & two instances of PI are the best. Somewhere on XS there is a .reg file, a big one with tons of settings. We should try and track that down and see if it's any good.
I'm sure you guys saw woodoo's 57 run, 512K of Ram only and grabbed a great time. PI doesn't care on Ram amount. I have some 256 Mushkins I'd be happy to let you try out, but I guess your on DDR2 right? :)
Maxi, yeah DDR2. This Mushkin is REAL good, but unless I start pumping really sick Vddr to them, they are maxing out right around DDR2 1033 with the tight timings (4-2-3-4). I was looking around for some Corsair 5400ULs, but they seem to be pretty hard to find now? IIRC, Fugger or Stilt was running them about DDR2 960-980 with 4-2-2-2. That would be better than what I have now if only a little.
Oddly, when I tried PCMark04 when I had it lower (DDR830ish 4-2-3-4) to see what would happen...my score went UP about 30 points?! Too bad that increase doesn't translate to SPi.
On the 1M SPi, neither reg tweak seems to make it any better. In fact, it looks like LSC makes it .1s worse...at least on the first run and the 2nd is the same as usual. I haven't run a 32M for anything more than stability testing at this point, not for a good score as evidenced by my record time in the log file of 28m 12.360s :D I know I've seen that reg file you're talking about (or a couple from viper?), but I was too nervous to apply that any without studying them a little more carefully...LOL. You try one and tell what stops working ;)
If Conroes will get anywhere near 3.7-4GHz on phase (especially the XE), these Pentium SPi times will look SO slow ;)
El<(')>Maxi
01-19-06, 04:28 AM
I thought I read a review on Anandtech that said Conroe wasn't a big deal? It's basically a revamped desktop Dothan right?
Nah, that's Yonah (Core Solo/Core Duo), which will still do wonders in a desktop board. Yonah "should" be able to beat up woodoo's Dothan if it were clocked anywhere close. Now imagine a proc with 25% better IPC, 2x the FSB at say 3.2GHz stock compared to that 780 of his you like so much ;)
Conroe will be a something of a "cross" between a Preslers and Yonahs. 31 step pipe from the P4 -> 14 on Conroe, lower clocks than P4 naturally to go with that decrease in steps, but not THAT much (2.66-3.33GHz), FSBs will be 1066 for the standard and 1333 for the XE, not to mention the TDP decrease, etc. Also, I will need to double check this, but I *think* I remember reading that both cores access the same cache (2MB regular, 4MB XE) instead of each having separate caches.
If they are OCable at all and it's possible to get 3.8-4GHz out of them (even if it takes phase), they will be SICK...less than half the steps and like 90000% better IPC than a P4 :D 24s SPi 1M might be what the low end Conroes will do stock, LOL. I highly recommend you start checking into them because they are just plain ole awesome (on paper) ;)
El<(')>Maxi
01-19-06, 02:53 PM
Well that does sound pretty good. So Conroe is a dual core, while Yonah is single/dual? When will these things be in retail?
September. It's going to be a fun race between AM2 and Conroe for sure. :p
^^^ HEHEHE. The mods will be busy putting out AMD/Intel fires all over the forums :D
Maxi, yeah there's a single core and dual core Yonah (Core Solo/Core Duo). All Conroes will be dual core. I can't wait...this is a really good year for Intel between Presler/CM/Conroe. I guess you can count Yonah too when we see some desktop mobos for it ;)
xwoodoo
01-23-06, 07:28 AM
@maxi i am so close of 13x280Mhz ... here is a partial '01 with X1800XT : 36700
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/xwoodoo/3DK01_46741_X1800XT.jpg
It runs 13x280Mhz but have some cooling problem i mean is so cold here that the whaterchill got frozen . I will remake the setup .
And here is a Pi-1M 22.875s :
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/xwoodoo/S_Pi_22-875_FX57_3645MHZ.jpg
El<(')>Maxi
01-23-06, 11:31 AM
Hey woodoo, top notch scores http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/smilies/toast.gif
You are faster than me benching 1024MB of BH-5, good job :)
Wow, crazy stuff xwoodoo...and Maxi, I ask that you not get too caught up in that sexy 1900XTX that's on its way to neglect getting in a 3.7 gig+ SuperPI run. :p
Maxi, yeah DDR2. This Mushkin is REAL good, but unless I start pumping really sick Vddr to them, they are maxing out right around DDR2 1033 with the tight timings (4-2-3-4). I was looking around for some Corsair 5400ULs, but they seem to be pretty hard to find now? IIRC, Fugger or Stilt was running them about DDR2 960-980 with 4-2-2-2. That would be better than what I have now if only a little.
That's funny...I was looking for Mushkin 6400 and ended up with 5400UL...
LOL, where did you find it?
El<(')>Maxi
01-25-06, 09:29 PM
get in a 3.7 gig+ SuperPI run. :p
I'd love to run PI again but this chip won't do it for some reason, in fact I can't even get into BIOS anymore. It will POST and boot into Windows fine at defaults, thats it :shrug:
Might need to flash it.
It doesn't get into BIOS yet it still runs 3D at those mad speeds? Highly peculiar to say the least...what happens when you run PI? What's the error?
El<(')>Maxi
01-26-06, 04:03 AM
No I was swapping memory and set BIOS defaults, re-booted and no BIOS access now. It will boot into windows with the FX @ 2.8Ghz 200Mhz HTT, thats it.
As far as PI goes when I ran anything over 3.6Ghz PI would freeze the system, might need more vcore than I was giving it. I'm just not real keen on overvolting 90nm chips.
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