1.2 Vs 1.2

[Zuck Gou :)]

Anyone know of real-world speed differences/benches between say a Coppermine Celeron overclocked to 1.2, and a Tualatin 1.2 celly.

?

I know you could overclock the CelT alot but i was just sitting here wondering about it if they were at equal mhz.

Thanks for any info.

[Ebola]

the tualatin should be slightly faster since it has twice the l2 cache i believe.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Ebola
the tualatin should be slightly faster since it has twice the l2 cache i believe.

PLus "DIB" and 8 way cache.

The cumine celery has 4 way cache and a single channel bus.
DIB = Dual Independant bus archetechture

I asked intel why they didn't say the cumine PIII's and higher ran on a 2x133MHz bus and he said they didn't need to or some BS like that.

Apparently though it has the same type of bus as the athy about.

[Ebola]

Originally posted by ol' man


The cumine celery has 4 way cache and a single channel bus.



i believe the celly tualtin also has this.

[Yodums]

Originally posted by Ebola


i believe the celly tualtin also has this.

Are the tualatins using the full 256K cache?

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Originally posted by Yodums


Are the tualatins using the full 256K cache?

yeah from what I heard, Tualatin- Celeron has 256kb cache and Tualatin P3 is available with both 256kb and 512kb cache. =)

I think TC knows more about this. He has experience in all these systems.

[Yodums]

Originally posted by ƒ~ƒ‹ƒN•²


yeah from what I heard, Tualatin- Celeron has 256kb cache and Tualatin P3 is available with both 256kb and 512kb cache. =)

I think TC knows more about this. He has experience in all these systems.

Ah :D

[Zuck Gou :)]

Thanks guys, but what I was actually wondering was do you know of any benchmarks that show the speed differences (shoulda re-worded my question)

I'm geussing you could compare a regular P3@1.2 to a Cu Celly @1.2 to get the same results your gonna get with that Tualatin celly am I right?

So the real-word increases are going to be substantial than I presume.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Originally posted by Zuck Gou :)
Thanks guys, but what I was actually wondering was do you know of any benchmarks that show the speed differences (shoulda re-worded my question)

I'm geussing you could compare a regular P3@1.2 to a Cu Celly @1.2 to get the same results your gonna get with that Tualatin celly am I right?

So the real-word increases are going to be substantial than I presume.


Sorry about that Zuck Gou. We didn't clearly answer your ques.. anyways, based on what I have read and my understanding, here's the equation:

Celeron 3 = Tualatin
P3S (P3 Tualatin) = Tualatin

Tualatin CPU's have 256kb and 512kb L2 cache

Celeron 3 = only available with 256kb L2 cache and 0.13u
P3S = Choice of 256kb or 512kb L2 cache on a 0.13u
Regular P3 = 256kb & 0.18u



Theroretical performance wise,

Celeron 3 = 256k version P3S = Regular P3

Each of them have 256kb L2 cache although the difference in micron die size does make Zero difference in performance in mhz to mhz comparison including real-world applications. Those .13u will obviously OC considerably higher than the .18u regular P3. =)

[Zuck Gou :)]

Thanks man, thats what I thought. These Cellys are looking real nice now.

Also, someone else posted this so I thought I'd put it here. It shows some benchmarks of the Cel3.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/cpu/celeron-1200/

[William]

I am hearing a lot of rumblings about the 1.2 tualatins being as good as 1.2 AXIAs are as overclockers.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Ebola


i believe the celly tualtin also has this.

The .13u celery has 8 way cache and a dual independent bus like the PIII cumine plus most likely double quad word cache. The tualatin has quad quadword cache.

You poeple should read the data sheets about these chips to see the differences.

p.s.

Both the PIII tualatin/cumine are 256bit chips as also the .13u celery.

You gotta read the data sheets.

[funnyperson1]

toms hardware got it to 1500-air cooled
and ol'man got one to 1700-air cooled!!!!

[Zuck Gou :)]

Whoa! I wanna see one with a pelt and watercooling.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
toms hardware got it to 1500-air cooled
and ol'man got one to 1700-air cooled!!!!


I didn't. These guys did.

http://holicho.lib.net

[Falkentyne]

Originally posted by ol' man


The .13u celery has 8 way cache and a dual independent bus like the PIII cumine plus most likely double quad word cache. The tualatin has quad quadword cache.

You poeple should read the data sheets about these chips to see the differences.

p.s.

Both the PIII tualatin/cumine are 256bit chips as also the .13u celery.

You gotta read the data sheets.

So what would the difference be in benchmarks, between double quad word, and quad quad word cache?

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Falkentyne


So what would the difference be in benchmarks, between double quad word, and quad quad word cache?

Good question?????????

Not much. This celery wasn't beat by much against the 1.2/133fsb tualatin. This of course when the celeries multi was at 9 and the fsb was at 133. If the fsb stays at 100 it gets a spanking, sorry.

[Pinky]

Originally posted by William
I am hearing a lot of rumblings about the 1.2 tualatins being as good as 1.2 AXIAs are as overclockers.

If they ever get me my 1.2 I'm gonna write a review comparing the cD0 chip I have against the Celeron 3...

still waiting.

Yes, they are supposed to rock because of the low bus and high multiplier.

[6502kid]

I did get mine to 1.5g yesterday, with air-cooling.
That was at 158fsb. (got it running a little slower now...)

It was 100% stable at 154. The only problem I had at
158 was a lockup at shutdown, but no other troubles.

Ran 3dmark, UT, Sandra benchmarks & misc for a couple
hours.

If for some reason I cant stop myself, my next chip would
have to be one of those 1.2 jobs with the 100mhz fsb.
I read something somewhere that these might come out
later at 1.4g.

Those things should OC like crazy.

Here's a CPU benchmark for you to enjoy. (I liked it.)
:cool: