Agp > Pcie

[dreamtfk]

Ok well this sux. I just spent over $300 on an X800 Pro AGP a little over a year ago, now that Im thinking about upgrading my cpu and mobo the obvious choice is PCI-E16x but I dont suppose PCI-E is backwards compatible with AGP cards? That is gonna be real expensive to add a new video card to the equation. :bang head

[TryBel]

You would have to buy a new card. The only adapter I know for AGP to PCI-E is for some of the Gigabyte cards.

[darksparkz]

Well, if you had a AMD, you could use a AGP card in a skt939 CPU with the ASRock mobo, lol.

Anyways, I don't think there are Intel boards that support AGP with a new CPU, you could always sell off your CPU and keep the AGP card and get new ram and AMD skt939 CPU to go with.

[techun]

upgrade to amd

[chevro1et]

There is a pretty good deal floating around online... evga 7800gt + evga S939 Nforce4 mobo for like ~$475 CAD right now.... just need to add a cpu and ur good to go.

Cheers.

[3DFlyer]

You might as well upgrade now to PCI-e as you'll have to at some point in time. AGP is dead. Don't worry about AMD remarks. I know you don't wanna downgrade. If you're upgrading to one of the new Presslers or Cedar Mills, your scores and performance is gonna be higher. There's nothing new in AMD land to upgrade to, so I don't know what that comment was about. M2 is still vaporware, and will be for another year it looks like. It also looks like it's just gonna be another 90nm chip, and that's old stuff. It's also gonna be rediculously overpriced (like the FX series was and still is), so who wants to pay 1000 dollars + for old technology by the time it finally rolls out.

If I were upgrading, and I will be when Conroe is released, I would definitely go PCI-e. If you get those motherboards with adapaters, or those other boards that just happen to have AGP on them, you'll find they are not good boards at all. Adpaters just plain suck.

If you're going with new stuff, go with new stuff. Mixing old and new stuff is asking for mismatches, and bugs, and is something you see frequently with those "backwards compatible" boards.

It's expensive yeah, but it's like anything else. If you want performance it cost a certain amount of money. If I was forced to upgrade, and only had the money to upgrade everything except my AGP card, I wouldn't do it. It opens the door for too mnay problems, and there are no good boards with Intel chipsets on them that support it.

[tresmonos]

:rolleyes: @ fanboys


Disregarding amd/intel fanboy remarks, I'd hold onto your 478 until the 1st-2nd quarter 2006. That, coupled with your x800, should hold you over for another 6 mos easily if you're worried about $$.

[-_{MoW}_-Assasi]

ya, that ASRock mobo is only thing left ;)

[ArgentumX]

You might as well upgrade now to PCI-e as you'll have to at some point in time. AGP is dead.

AGP is not dead, over 70% of the graphics market is still AGP according to an Inquirer article a few weeks ago. ATI is even releasing some of the new X1000 series cards in AGP and I believe Nvidia is releasing the 6800GS in AGP.

A cpu and mobo upgrade wouldnt make that huge of a difference anyways. Its not going to make a significant difference in games. You might get a 500 point increase in 3dmark03 wooohooo.

Your setup is fine for now unless you want to do a complete overhaul.

[voodoomelon]

Yeh, i'm in the same boat as dreamtfk, I really want to upgrade from my s478, but can't justify it at the moment.

And that would mean changing motherboard, RAM, CPU, graphics card and hard drives too, as 2 of my 3 hard drives are IDE.

The only thing holding me back is my measly PC2100 motherboard support, apart from that 6000 3dMark2005s will have to do... :(

[larva]

There are good ways of doing this, and it doesn't require resorting to an Asrock motherboard to accomplish. You can well use the excellent Abit AS8 motherboard which is LGA775, and will run all current P4 processors including dual cores. It has an AGP slot... or you can do like I did and switch to PCI-Express.

The reason to do this is not to gain access to cpus, as you can run current Intel and AMD processors on AGP motherboards, in the AS8 and Asrock. And the reason to switch has nothing to do with the performance inherent in PCI-Express vs AGP, I don't think it amounts to jack at this point. The reason to switch is that there is no AGP 7800GT. Greatest thing since sliced bread now that it has dipped to the $300 mark. The typical Nvidia virtues are maintained, and the thing is fast.

I used the very cheapest PCI-Express stuff I could stomach (Abit AG8-V/P4 506 at 200fsb) and hopped on the 7800GT bandwagon. The motherboard and cpu were only a $205 investment, and it brought me an cool and quiet everyday 4GHz in addition to enabling the use of current video cards. Add in the lowest-end EVGA 7800GT at 500/1250MHz, and you score 8k on 3DMark05, 17.5k on 03. Games go pop.

The AS8 gives you a very good AGP LGA board and you can do PCI-Express cheaply if you decide. There really isn't much of a dilema here, in truth you should appreciate the fact that you get to buy a new motherboard, not that you have to. New motherboards are cheap and bring a wealth of benefits.

[dreamtfk]

Well for aguments sake I really dont plan on upgrading for at least 6 more months, so technology and prices will be different then. I suppose I will just have to sell my video card if anyone is still buying AGP cards then.

I have done the normal memory, cpu and mobo upgrade many times and its usually in the $450-$500 range but having to get a new video card at the same time which is an obvious must is just too much.

[azu]

Waiting is probably a good idea at this point. Lol your computer looks like it can last a bit longer anyhow. PCIE is the new direction :\

[Cheator]

downgrade to AMD. Jeez, that kid don't give up :)

Agree with the topic though. I bought the 700 dollar AGP x800 pro vivo and a year later I had to upgrade. This stupid fad of multi-gpu rigs isn't that fun. Next they will remove IDE channels from boards or something.

I just sold my x800 pro, found a nice deal on an x850 and upgraded from there. Thats all that really can be done.

[larva]

Well for aguments sake I really dont plan on upgrading for at least 6 more months, so technology and prices will be different then. I suppose I will just have to sell my video card if anyone is still buying AGP cards then.

I have done the normal memory, cpu and mobo upgrade many times and its usually in the $450-$500 range but having to get a new video card at the same time which is an obvious must is just too much.I guess I'll have to be clearer. Buy an AS8. They cost all of ~85 bucks. You can use your current ram without performance penalty, and your current AGP card. When the time comes to upgrade further, sell it for what it is worth or throw it away. It's only 85 bucks! Deliverance comes no cheaper than this.

[larva]

Agree with the topic though. I bought the 700 dollar AGP x800 pro vivo and a year later I had to upgrade. This stupid fad of multi-gpu rigs isn't that fun. Next they will remove IDE channels from boards or something.

I just sold my x800 pro, found a nice deal on an x850 and upgraded from there. Thats all that really can be done.I think you can see there is a certain problem inherent in spending $700 on any video card, no matter the bus. Your x800 pro would have been long in the tooth in light of the new alternatives even if it were PCI Express, and the smart move would have been to move it rather than loose nearly all of the purchase price. Selling what you have and buying what you need is the only response, and that's what you did. Fortunately components are cheaper than ever--if you eschew the $700 video cards...

[dreamtfk]

I guess I'll have to be clearer. Buy an AS8. They cost all of ~85 bucks. You can use your current ram without performance penalty, and your current AGP card. When the time comes to upgrade further, sell it for what it is worth or throw it away. It's only 85 bucks! Deliverance comes no cheaper than this.

I'm not sure I get what your saying, what is the point of just changing motherboards and still using all the same components?

[Cheator]

I think you can see there is a certain problem inherent in spending $700 on any video card, no matter the bus. Your x800 pro would have been long in the tooth in light of the new alternatives even if it were PCI Express, and the smart move would have been to move it rather than loose nearly all of the purchase price. Selling what you have and buying what you need is the only response, and that's what you did. Fortunately components are cheaper than ever--if you eschew the $700 video cards...

Trust me i didn' like selling it. It was about as fast as my current card, but at least I got a great price on it off a friend. Its in the past anyway, so it doesn't really matter I guess. Just was a ****er :)

[larva]

I'm not sure I get what your saying, what is the point of just changing motherboards and still using all the same components?You said you wanted to upgrade mb/cpu but you can't afford a new video card. That was the premise of this thread. The AS8 takes new cpus and your existing video card. It also takes your ram (and runs as fast with it as new boards do with their ram). The only penalty is you have an extra AS8 to get rid of when you finally move to PCI Express, but once you see how fast such a system can be that may be far enough down the road for the logic of the move to have become completely evident.

[twoeyes]

I think some mobos have an AGP and a PCIe slot.

[delman]

The boards that support both normally have compatibility issues though. I have an AS8. It is a good board. I liked it a lot until I got the money to get DDR2 ram and a PCI-E card.