looking for a good MMO game(please read first)

[#18]

Well topic says.

(please read)

requirements
1. good graphic
Realistic enviroment, land scope, buildings, objects,etc. beautiful character/item designs.
I guess pretty much everyone knows the standard of what is good envireoment etc. graphic, but as for character/item/objects desigin which is an equally important fact to me...


example of the graphic I am pleased with: Lineage 2 & Silkroad Online.

sample screenshots
Silkroad Online
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9419/silkroadonline0011zr.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/2304/thief55cc.jpg
http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/2636/thief0ym.jpg
Lineage 2
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/889/trip0070ja.jpg
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9937/6atlast7dy.jpg

example of the games I am not impressed with their graphics
a. EQ2 (I can live with it but still...)
ok it has advanced graphic engine which probably is more advanced than Lineage 2...which shows in the water effect. But the objects/characters design are so not realistic and not good looking at all. Just compare the trees, buildings, and elf in both game, you'll see what I mean.
b. WOW
Too cartoonish to be realistic.
c. Flyff
Too cartoonish + childish to even talk about. Exit the game after first 5 min. trying.
d. Ferentus
The real in game grahpic is next to horrible, same with character motions.
e. MatialHeros
Ugly graphic.

2. Huge world
Huge in size, lots of places to go, next to impossible to remember where is where.

3. Fun game play
a. interesting leveling/pve(fighting npc) which I will explain in more details shortly

b. enable pvp. If a game isn't pvp enabled, it's next to unrealistic. What kind of world you can't hit the stuff you want to hit? I am not a pvp nuts, but I want it to be available.



I have been playing Lineage 2 for the past 1.5 years, and I start to feel tired of it, since it's really 95% leveling (which is mindless killing the same monsters over and over on the same spots), with 1% shopping through 13532534523523 afk shops at town, 3% chatting, 1% pvp(yep pvp is fun specially the castle siege with 31253253253 players on both sides try to take over/defend a castle, but all the deaths in pvp cause xp loss and each death which require more mindless killing mobs to make it back.(example 1 death at max lvl can cause 4 hours experience loss if you don't get a high % rez). So can't help it with more than 1% pvp, any more will obiviously make you delvl and at disadvantage in future pvp). And the 95% lvling is really bad in such games. I really don't mind fun lvling, but in fact it seems the lvling in all mmo I have seen so far are mindless killing on the SAME spot for hours EVERY day(there is no place to keep going, lvling spots for the same lvl range is limited, mobs respawn in less than 1 min.) Which is Boring. Played Silkroad Online too, the part of pvp is fun, but exactly the same type which requires mindless killing on the same spot type of leveling up for 95%+ time to back it up.

If anyone have played Never WinterNights multipleplay, specially if you have played on the server called Aventia, you would know lvling/pve(killing monsters) can be really fun too. The type of killing monsters on Aventia is like dungeon style, or trips/advantures whatever you call it. Basicly you go on trips that is one way through, NEVER stop on the same spot/room camp for the same mobs(can't even if you want to, respawn time for mobs are 15 min., 30 min. for boss), always keep going. Most trips are anywhere from 1~3 hours each, the longest one takes 3 days. There is always a final boss at the end of the trip which provide greater challenge and good loot, or sometimes with some lesser bosses on the way if the trip is long. Of course there are hundreds regular npc guards on the way, each kill of you makes you one step closer to the final boss/ or end of the trip. And there are hundreds different trips/advantures/dungeons on Aventia. So we always have new places to go, see different things, fight different monsters, get different loot. Never get bored of going out to hunt. (and yes I know NWN is not a mm, but regular rpg. Aventia had 72 slots).

Bottomline, the type of lvling on the NWN server of Aventia is what I really like. I am tired of the mmo games' camping same spot/room for hours every day mindlessly killing the same mobs over and over style of lvling.


Basicly for game play, pve wise only NeverWinter Nights pleased me(it is server depended, and the server Aventia is one good example). PvP wise only castle siege of Lineage 2, and trade/thief/bounty hunter system of Silkroad Online please me. Yet NWN has next to none exist pvp, L2 & SRO have amazingly terrible + boring pve.

I like the graphic of Lineage 2 and Silkroad Online. Which is a very important fact for me. I do not like crappy graphics, nor non realistc nor ugly objects/characters/items.


Above are just BASIC requirements of what I want, there are other things I would love to have but I still can live without other things so far, besides these "other" things might be too much for the current video games to have lol...you might say "you wish" if I list them too. :)


So any game out there or will be out fits my describition?

[Arkangyl]

hmm, well.

I've found WoW to be a rather satisfying MMO. All I have to compare it to is Everquest and it blows EQ out of the water. The quests are worthwhile and they lead you on a nice progression through the world. Also PvP is supposed to be excellent but I'm not there yet.

[Gabbiani]

Based on what you said you will just have to wait. Played just about everything out there and nothing really fits your bill. I am playin WoW currently and love the non-realistic look. Reality is so over rated. I mean you see it EVERY DAY.

[Banyan]

nothing out there atm really is a good match for what you stated in your post...

but there is this (http://www.rf-onlinegame.com/news.php) game which will be released in february which fits the bill completely. you can also apply for the beta now.

[Sentential]

Could play my favorite (plus its free) Guild Wars. I dont think you will have a problem with the grafix:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Sentential/xmastime.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Sentential/gw007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Sentential/gw004.jpg

Plus its Christmas time across Tyria lol.

[Sentential]

As for a big game... you tell me lol:

In game:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Sentential/ingame.jpg

The Minimap:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Sentential/minimap.jpg

The World Map:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Sentential/worldmap.jpg

[ubergeek_aP]

He wont like it because of the PVE...Guild Wars IS all about the PvP, its agreat game but if exploring and nerding out in all day hunts is your idea of fun GW is not for you. The PvP does has greatreplay value though and actually requires skill to be successful.

[Sentential]

He wont like it because of the PVE...Guild Wars IS all about the PvP, its agreat game but if exploring and nerding out in all day hunts is your idea of fun GW is not for you. The PvP does has greatreplay value though and actually requires skill to be successful.
I like the PVE alot its very well done. Have you ever played this game before? And PVE wise its not a short game. There have been many times where Ive spent close to 6 hours in The Fissure Of Woe or the Underworld

[Nathan0490]

l2 has great pve

[#18]

For one thing I like exploring lol. How big is the world? L2 world was "big" at the beginning, getting smaller every day. And in fact we can run from one side of the world to the other in less than 1 hour with elf speed...I perfer days, weeks, months straight walking still can't go through the entire world. :p Tried WOW today, not my type at all. But it got a tiny bit things I wanted but not exist in L2 etc, which is complex buildings. I like to walk through buildings to buildings in town, go from room to room. :) Don't ask why. Other than that, WOW has pretty much same type of mindless killing style of lvling imo which is what I am tired of already. Besides WOW's graphic really sucks. The theme movie has pretty good design of characters, unfortunely the real in game characters are no where look close to that.

As for Nathan, L2's pve is one of the worst possible available. The only thing kept me going was that I wanted to be strong and cool...what waste of time now I think about it. Killing the same mobs on the exactly same spots over and over, respawn, kill, respawn, kill, respawn, kill...repeat for hours every day... Horrible grinding.

[mage_x]

RF Online looks like it's going to be nice. Two months away.

[Banyan]

RF Online looks like it's going to be nice. Two months away.

yeah it does. i've been praying for beta invite but one hasn't come yet. i believe they are in phase one still so i should chill out.

[#18]

RF Online looks to be a copy of L2, and I think it is. yet it has inferior designs on characters etc. though they try to make it "as good" as L2 while try to not be exactly the same. As for game play, I bet it's the same as all Korean mmo. Grinding grinding grinding on the SAME spot, will be 95% of the game play, with a little pvp.

So I am not going to drop one game for another little inferior one with similar game play.

Don't get me wrong, I'd live with a little inferior graphic if the game play is great. Nothing shows RF Online will be any different than the rest of the mindless grinding korean MMO.

[ubergeek_aP]

I like the PVE alot its very well done. Have you ever played this game before? And PVE wise its not a short game. There have been many times where Ive spent close to 6 hours in The Fissure Of Woe or the Underworld
Ive only logged about 756 hours in the game, completed the PVE 3 times completly, and Ive unlocked all skills and Im rank 3. So yeah Ive played a little.

[EvilCloudStrife]

guild wars was the worst waste of time game i ever played. i still have items worth alot on my character..

[Schalldampfer]

City of Villains?

[Kyozoku]

If you like sci fi I'd reccomend eve online. It's a pvp based and looks great. Theres very little in the way of pve or quests. Everything is based on player interaction. Even the economy is 100% player run. You're basicly dropped into a huge universe and left to do what ever you want. Mine, trade, declare wars on people, become a pirate it's completly open ended.

The only problem is it's addictive and the mrs will get jelous. It's made me sleep on the couch a couple times.

[#18]

I don't like sci fi, nor modern day...when it comes to rpg games. What I like is ancient time with warriors, wizards, elves, orcs, dwarves, humans etc.

And like I said, I perfer exploring/advanture/trip style of leveling. Walk through new places while fighting npcs for leveling. So far all the MMO I have seen have camping/grinding style of boring leveling, include L2, SRO, WOW, EQ2, they might be a little different, but more or less the same, and I hate boring quests.

So does Guild War have the type of the pve I want? It might not seem as good as L2 and SRO in graphic, but if the pve is interesting then I can take it.

[da_spork]

Have you looked into dark age of camelot? I thought the pvp and pve with that game were excellent, and apparently they just made trials of atlantis much easier which would make the entire game more enjoyable. It's tempting to go back :(

[Kyozoku]

Guikld wars isn't really a true mmo. It's an arcade style pvp game with a fairly weak multi player rpg strapped onto it.

I played it for about a weak before i got bored and uninstalled it.

[Xymurgy]

I was inclined to say Guild Wars, but it is quite different from L2. Guild Wars is all about instances, so you won't really explore a world per se, but instead travel the world through connected missions. Furthermore, most of the landscape uses a sort of pathing system so you can't explore everything - you're limited to a 100-yard wide path that zigzags through the missions (the desert area is very wide open).

The game is different - it's easy to get to max level and high-end loot is easy to get via collectors. Most of the endgame of pve is spent hunting for elite skills so you can make you character template better, or hunting in the Fissure or Underworld for sellable items or rare crafting materials.

I can't get enough of the game. There are hundreds of ways to play each character, and 1000 ways to set up a group. It's got a solid economy, and things are always interesting.

http://bestof.ign.com/2005/pc/5.html
http://bestof.ign.com/2005/pc/7.html

[#18]

I am still looking

Anyone heard of Shaiya - Light and Darkness ?
This game seems to have good graphic designs(if in game really look the same), but I can't read Korean, so if anyone can translate or find me one English site please :)

http://www.shaiya.com/main/

[Seanohue]

DAoC is a lot of mindless PvE in the beginning but towards the higher levels, the game balances perfectly to PvE and PvP. And like da spork said, since making TOA easier, if collecting nice items is up your alley, than you'll like it. But RF Online looks cool too, and even better will be Lord of the Rings Online.

[#18]

lol some of you just don't get it. I have played L2 since closed beta back February 2004, and I have maxed lvl character with loads and loads of high value gears. Yet after almost 2 years of playing, I am tired of the mindless grinding type of lvling. Anything has to do with mindless grinding type of lvling, I am not interested. Why drop L2 and start fresh in a same grinding type of game for nothing? Besides L2 has the best graphic among MMO so far from what I see, and its siege system is cool. Bottomline I am not going to pick another mindless grinding camping on the same spot type of lvling game, I'd rather continue to play L2 or not playing at all. Grinding is getting to my nerve. For pvp or whatever, I am not going to grinding any more. I perfer have fun from pve too just like I had with Neverwinter Nights on the server of Aventia, actually I am more toward pve since in every game you have to spend most time lvling, thus I want to have fun during the "most time". pvp is a must to have, but nobody ever pvp more than 10% of the game play time no matter what since nobody can avoid delvl without 90%+ time on lvl, probably 95~99%.

[SuperFarStucker]

Well to be honest the mmo genre is fundamentally flawed in that respect. About the closest to no frills gameplay you're going to get is guild wars, but even then sinks do exist. If you don't enjoy mutual loot masturbation or priding yourself in who you can 'pwn', it is quite easy to avoid the genre entirely and not be missing out on anything at all.

See, most MMO PvP players like to 'pwn', they just don't want to work *hard* for it. It is much easier to simply invest more time than anyone else and then proceed to go around and massacre all parties involved, and that is precisely the type of person the genre caters too. It is a little bit repugnant in my mind and I don't think an MMO type setting can ever evolve into a truly competitive environment, though they can be loads of fun at certain choice moments.

[12am]

Hmm really the only MMO I can think of that fits most, if not all of your needs would be Saga of Ryzom. Has a huge environment, good char models, lots of variety of armor designs, lots of variety in mob models, etc.. If you have more questions about gameplay etc let me know as I played the game religiously for about 8 months before switching to eq2 and then to WoW. Here are a few screenies for you to see if it's up your alley

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/cruze8/screenshot223.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/cruze8/screenshot217.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/cruze8/screenshot137.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/cruze8/screenshot079.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/cruze8/screenshot048.jpg

[Ellet]

This is the Game I'm looking for. http://www.vanguardsoh.com/ They are in beta2 right now. Not sure when it'll come out but its made by Bard McQuaid. He was the person who Made EQ.

[#18]

Hmm really the only MMO I can think of that fits most, if not all of your needs would be Saga of Ryzom. Has a huge environment, good char models, lots of variety of armor designs, lots of variety in mob models, etc.. If you have more questions about gameplay etc let me know as I played the game religiously for about 8 months before switching to eq2 and then to WoW. Here are a few screenies for you to see if it's up your alley

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/cruze8/screenshot048.jpg



This isn't "good char model" at all lol.

I also tried both EQ2 and WOW like I said. WOW has ugly characters, EQ2 has still not so good characters compare to L2 and SRO. While both WOW and EQ2 more or less have the same old mindless grinding/camping type of lvling, plus some boring meaningless quests.

I want exploring/advanture/trip type of lvling...which I don't think it's so hard to make. Neverwinter Nights had it...
As for MMORPG, I really wish to have a huge interesting game world that can allow ppl to keep going for ages without going through the old places, while lvling up along the exploring/advanture/trip.

On the side note, I just tried Shaiya. It turned out to be a same old mindless grinding clone Korean MMO. It's not hard to see...the first view of the game is huge amount of mobs everywhere outside town with fast respawn rate = mindless grinding game = boring... I don't get it why all these game companies are copying each other with this same old pathetic game play style...simply with a different storyline along with different graphic designs. Soon or later even the most hardcore Korean grinders will get bored of it.

[JU571N]

City of Heroes (or villains if you prefer) is pretty fun. There's a lot to explore and lots of ways to explore it (flying, jumping, super speed, teleportation, etc). I only got to lvl 20 or so before I got caught up in rl things to keep playing. The "grinding" is mostly door missions (instances) that take awhile to do. From what I've read the game gets a lot more interesting after lvl 20, but I can't really comment on that. There's also a lot to do outside of leveling such as player run costume contests, collecting badges, arena battles, the new supergroup base building thing, etc. Now that City of Villains is out, there's PvP zones for real PvP battles. Arena battles are fun, but get really boring fast.

As far as graphics go, it's not the best in the world, but not too bad if you have a system that can handle the higher settings. The thing I loved about the game the most is the insanely creative character creation process. There's literaly thousands of possible ways to design your character. Youy're pretty much garenteed to never see anotehr character like yours. I spent most of my time in that game just making new characters to see what kind of crazy setup I could make.

[secretweapon]

I would wait for SUN (Soul of the ultimate nation.) Sounds like lineage2 + Guildwars and should be a blast. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/148/gameID/199/from/features

[Blkout]

Guild Wars for the win, it is THE BEST MMO I've played yet. I have spent countless hours playing the PvE portion of the game over the last 4 months and its still not boring to me. I play every day at least an hour or more. It was designed a PvP game first with a PvE portion attached to it but I have lots of friends that only play the PvvE portion and love it as much as any other PvE MMO. Its the best looking RPG out there and has tons of replay value.

[DJCorpse]

I am curious what server you play on in L2? What lvl and class are you? Did you roll a subclass at 75 and do you have a stryder and have you been on lots of raid boss hunts and are you are in a clan that owns a clan hall and in an alliance that has a castle or two?? If so then Chronicle 4 is coming very soon so that will give you some new stuff to do! With C4 the lvl cap is upped to 78, a third class transfer occurs at lv 76 along with new skills and there are alot of other things coming like S grade gear, Hero classes and one of my favorites, fishing!!

I do understand your gripe about the grind but i have found if you are in a cool clan and/or alliance its not so bad. I would just wait for C4 to come out and give it a try and if you still hate it then it sounds like you have lots of suggestions to check out.

[squeekyMop]

have you guys looked in RF Online. the game is a sci fi mmo, and the graphics looks really good.

[#18]

I am curious what server you play on in L2? What lvl and class are you? Did you roll a subclass at 75 and do you have a stryder and have you been on lots of raid boss hunts and are you are in a clan that owns a clan hall and in an alliance that has a castle or two?? If so then Chronicle 4 is coming very soon so that will give you some new stuff to do! With C4 the lvl cap is upped to 78, a third class transfer occurs at lv 76 along with new skills and there are alot of other things coming like S grade gear, Hero classes and one of my favorites, fishing!!

I do understand your gripe about the grind but i have found if you are in a cool clan and/or alliance its not so bad. I would just wait for C4 to come out and give it a try and if you still hate it then it sounds like you have lots of suggestions to check out.


75 or 78, alliance or not, it makes no difference. Everyone has to lvl at 1% an hour buffed at max lvl, mindlessly killing the same mobs on the same spots over and over for hours every single day. I am tired of it. Fishing ingame can't be more fun than irl anyway. Grinding is just not funny at all.

[#18]

have you guys looked in RF Online. the game is a sci fi mmo, and the graphics looks really good.


More or less it's a copy of L2.

[AMDforlife]

You specifically said you weren't impressed with WoW graphics. However, if you have a good card and turn up your settings, IMO the graphics are MUCH better than those screenshots you posted. It is a bit "cartoony", but it's an RPG.

[#18]

You specifically said you weren't impressed with WoW graphics. However, if you have a good card and turn up your settings, IMO the graphics are MUCH better than those screenshots you posted. It is a bit "cartoony", but it's an RPG.


I turned it up, it has nothing to do with the graphic setting. It is the "natural" character designs by the company. They think it's good looking while it's really ugly.

Above is just graphic issue.

On the other hand, WOW is not a fun game anyway. The first quest I did was "kill 10 wolves, and bring back to me", the second quest was "kill 10 thieves across the river then report back to me"...and so on What's fun about that? Same old mindless grinding/quests as EQ2, L2, SRO, 100 other MMOs and their copies/clones, etc.

[Banyan]

it sounds like nothing floats your boat so you might want to just find a nice single player game.

what about eve-online? you don't have to mine rocks all day... you can be a bad guy and do bad things to get cash.

[Echo_]

imo theres very little mmorpgs were you dont have to level grind but dark age you can pvp the same time at above lvl 20 in battlegrounds(pvp for lower levels against their same levels)

dark age of camelot is a very fun game and its pvp is the best out there right now
nothing can even touch it even if its not at its prime

[AMDforlife]

There are actually storylines that go along with those "kill 5 wolves and report back to me". It all begins there........and then develop into a HUGE storyline, very immense. Thing is, I would bet that 90% of WoW players just look at the objectives and don't even get into the storyline. Try reading them and "living" them out, maybe it will get you.

[#18]

imo theres very little mmorpgs were you dont have to level grind but dark age you can pvp the same time at above lvl 20 in battlegrounds(pvp for lower levels against their same levels)

dark age of camelot is a very fun game and its pvp is the best out there right now
nothing can even touch it even if its not at its prime


1. It's not about lvling. I don't mind lvling takes lots of time. But how about make lvling fun? Like Neverwinter Nights. I just hate the lvling style of camp the same spot, killing the same mobs repeatly for 1353266534 times each lvl... I don't mind fighting mobs all day as long as fighting different mobs at different locations all the time...which does not exist in any MMO I see so far. Btw don't give me WOW's "only kill 10 mobs here, then move on to next quest kill 15 other mobs there...", it's the same old boring mindless crap. The only nearest best pve I see so far is NWN's trip/advanture style. You just go onto a trip, keep going, fight mobs along the way, never camp the same spot, final boss + treasure chests at the end of each trip which takes 1~3 hours for each of them. Then go for the next trip, that's much much better than all those boring crap.

2. pvp isn't something new to me. I have played Lineage 2 for almost 2 years, which is one OPEN pvp game. Anyone can kill anyone else they want outside town. Not just that, Lineage 2 has great siege system, where 2 armies of players fight each other over a castle, with hundreds players on both sides. L2 is one of the few MMO with true open pvp and one of the largest scale war.



I tried DAOC, it doesn't seem so impressive. Graphic is next to horrible. And the world is based on zones lol. Stuck already on the second real quest because the quest npc can't be found anywhere. It wasn't fun anyway, the first quest was "go kill skeleton outside town and bring me back 2 arm bones"...same old boring stuff.

[#18]

There are actually storylines that go along with those "kill 5 wolves and report back to me". It all begins there........and then develop into a HUGE storyline, very immense. Thing is, I would bet that 90% of WoW players just look at the objectives and don't even get into the storyline. Try reading them and "living" them out, maybe it will get you.

Does the story of "I'll give you a pair of gloves if you go kill 10 wolves and bring me back wolf meat" sound fun to you?

It doesn't matter what kind of empty claim non exist (not even exist in game) story they pull out, the resault is as simple as "you go kill 10 wolves and report back to me"... and what you do is go kill 10 wolves on the same spot...since these wolves are everywhere walk around like farm cows...not even aggressive...same old boring stuff. Next thing go kill 10 thieves across the river and report back to the other npc...doesn't matter if they tell you these 10 thieves kill some town ppl and escaped to across the river, or these 10 thieves are just starved farmers...whatever same old stuff as simple as you go kill 10 thieves on the same spot and go back click the quest npc again...

If you like those childish silly made up short stories, maybe find a short story book or something like that. I don't find those stories fun and that might just for me, then again when it comes to real game play aside the "reading reading reading", the only thing I could do was go out kill 10 wolves/thieves who were walking around everywhere right there about 20 yards away from the npc...Don't find it's fun either. As it doesn't take any thinking to find them, nor require any skill to hunt down those preys, but simply walk 5 feet away from one to next one and make the kill basicly on the same spot...

[Banyan]

it's really quite simple, you WILL find fault in anything. just wait for oblivion and steer clear of mmorpg's.

[Blkout]

Guild Wars solves all the problems listed above on this page. Give it a try. No repetitive quests and no grinding.