View Full Version : Video AMD mp no heatsink no smoke!!!
here is the link to the video. http://www.amdzone.com/files/amdburn.zip
I found it on slashdot.
]-[itman
10-28-01, 06:55 PM
I guess Intel ppl don't have that edge on AMD anymore. Or atleast it's a lot closer. NOT that it mattered anyway. Thx Kenden for sharing that with us.
cool I believe this applies to the xps as well.
]-[itman
10-28-01, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by el
cool I believe this applies to the xps as well.
ya from what I hear the mp's run a tiny but cooler than the xp's but not much.
minoukat
10-28-01, 07:27 PM
Isn't that dangerous to take off the fan from the connector while the comp is going ?
I think it has something to do with the motherboard reading the internal diode. By the way we can't get one yet.
Isn't the MP that Tom Tested and the new MP/XP different. IE afaik the new chips with organic packaging use less power and so would not burn up so quickly ? Also neither of the tomshardware test athlons have a thermal diode do they ????
Originally posted by Fazed
Isn't the MP that Tom Tested and the new MP/XP different. IE afaik the new chips with organic packaging use less power and so would not burn up so quickly ? Also neither of the tomshardware test athlons have a thermal diode do they ???? The MP used in Tom's test does have a thermal diode like Intel chips. The problem may be that most current motherboards don't monitor the internal diode, and thus don't have the capability to clock throttle like the P4. New boards should start implementing a way to protect the cpu.
lennytiger
10-29-01, 08:50 AM
the new mps and xps all have thermal diodes it is just wether the motherboard actually can read from the diode and throttle the cpu... VCool throttles the cpu if it goes over a specific temp...usefull!
Two observations:
1. Why would AMD choose to make their failsafe protection circuit dependent on the motherboard? This makes no sense. Do it right in the CPU chip itself like the P4. Then the protection is automatic.
2. It is important to everyone. All you currently need to do to vaporize your new Athlon chip is to have the heatsink improperly seated. If this feature really works (I have my doubts given the lag introduced by using motherboard circuitry), and is implemented in your motherboard, it can save you $100 to $200.
Also, the organic XP packaging allow it to run cooler than the MP which has traditional ceramic packaging. So if this really works on an MP, it'll certainly work on an XP. It won't matter for me because my Shuttle AK31 doesn't support the XP thermal diode. But since I'm well aware of how to properly install my SK6, I won't have any problem. I think a mis-seating disaster might be more likely with the newer Swiftechs and Alpha that install onto the motherboard itself and not the socket. It's easy to think they're installed right, but actually tilted up at a slight angle.
Thelemac
10-29-01, 01:19 PM
*Moved to "Cooling"*
tbirdkiri
10-29-01, 05:44 PM
GOOD GOD!
thats a load of crap!
the 1ghz and 1.2 ghz mp's "were" ceramic but all the paliminos based processors are organic now
fatshlink
10-29-01, 06:23 PM
the motherbord has to read the diod on the chip, the one on tom's supposedaly could read it, but it went way wrong. and even then, what does that say, amd's most advanced procesors, are just behind the pIII when it comes to protection. it still doesent compair to the p4:p
The one at tom's could not read it!!!
They have not released a board that can to my knowledge.
Soon though.
Edit: Why was this moved to cooling? I posted it in the AMD section.
fatshlink
10-29-01, 06:31 PM
well thats even worse. that means AMD is still developing a board thtat makes the most advanced AMD almost as good as the pIII:(
I almost got hooked into the intel AMD thing but I will refrain and just say that It will soon be a standard feature on the motherboards.
fatshlink
10-29-01, 06:41 PM
so it will soom be standard to for amd's most advanced processor to have the heat protection that the last generation of intels had:rolleyes:
Man if you want to get into an AMD Intel debate go start your own.
I was just posting because I thought it was interesting considering the Tom's Hardware video. I posted this in the AMD section for a reason. IE you.
I always knew AMD was the king of heat handeling!
Never burned a single athelon, Tbird, Mp, or XP up!
Originally posted by kendan
The one at tom's could not read it!!!
They have not released a board that can to my knowledge.
Soon though.
That board was made by Seimens who apparently assured Tom that it could read the diode.
Seimens excuse for the chip burning up was that the diode couldn't respond to the temperature change quickly enough.
Check this link for latest on the Palomino thermal protection saga. (http://www.tomshardware.com/column/01q4/011029/index.html)
Where in the article does it say that seimens says that there is a power shutoff to prevent it. All they say is that the D1289 motherboard was specified for the Palomino's. Even if they said it could read the chip all that means is that you can read the chip with a monitoring program. AMD still needs to find a better way to protect their chips from overheating. The way described in the article just seems like a quick fix to me.
Thanks for posting the link to the article.
Morphoius
10-29-01, 11:03 PM
How often will a properly mounted heatsink fall off? I'm not going to test my chip when i get it, but this rarely if ever happens. As for a fan failing, if you have a good heatsink it will last a good while if not be ok all together. At least long enough for the autoshutdown program to work.
As for the P4 and XP processors and the P4s better thermal system, if i had a P4 and it was getting that hot so it was clock throtling i would pull the power cord out of the back as fast as i could. the same for the XP. Being able to say "good bye" in the game your playing really isn't worth that much and that is all the P4 gives you. I really don't see much differance and defenantly not enough to pay $50 more for the P4 for.
fatshlink
10-29-01, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by Morphoius
How often will a properly mounted heatsink fall off? I'm not going to test my chip when i get it, but this rarely if ever happens. As for a fan failing, if you have a good heatsink it will last a good while if not be ok all together. At least long enough for the autoshutdown program to work.
As for the P4 and XP processors and the P4s better thermal system, if i had a P4 and it was getting that hot so it was clock throtling i would pull the power cord out of the back as fast as i could. the same for the XP. Being able to say "good bye" in the game your playing really isn't worth that much and that is all the P4 gives you. I really don't see much differance and defenantly not enough to pay $50 more for the P4 for.
you have good points, but I think they are trying to demonstrate the superior design of the intel's
Originally posted by kendan
Where in the article does it say that seimens says that there is a power shutoff to prevent it. All they say is that the D1289 motherboard was specified for the Palomino's. Even if they said it could read the chip all that means is that you can read the chip with a monitoring program. AMD still needs to find a better way to protect their chips from overheating. The way described in the article just seems like a quick fix to me.
Thanks for posting the link to the article.
NO specific mention of a power shutoff, just the inference that the board has thermal protection.
From the original article:
"Siemens assured us that the thermal protection circuitry is definitely working on their motherboard.........................
........We rushed to the telephone to confer with Siemens. The engineers assured us that what we had seen was for real. The thermal diode of Palomino is unable to react quickly enough. Only 1 degree/s is what the thermal diode is able to handle. That might be good enough for failing fans. A fallen off heat sink however will ensure a dead Athlon processor and possibly a damaged motherboard as well. What a serious disappointment!"
After seeing the AMD video it seems the fault is with Siemens design not the diode on the CPU.
SteenkyBastage
10-30-01, 10:35 AM
well, since i am compotent enough to seat my waterblock in a way that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to fall off... who cares if it doesn't react in time. i am glad that they are taking steps to fix their heat crisis. just having an accurate reading (gonna make my probe touching the side of the core obsolete) is well worth the internal temp sensor.
and the newer MP's are basically the same as the XP but have additional code for multiprocessing. they have the organic base and all. the original 1.0 and 1.2 MP's were the old ceramic type.
and i have a question. someone stated that the intel has a shutdown/throttle built into the processor itself. is that true? i was under the impression they were reliant on the MB chipsets also.
Maximus Nickus
11-01-01, 12:24 PM
wat im gettin is in me sig, does this support dat thermal thingy?
r0ckstarbob
11-01-01, 07:34 PM
toms an idiot.
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