Upgrade from a 2.4B/533 to a 2.8C/533

[WallyGator]

To all you gurus in the know. I really can't afford to upgrade to all the latest and greatest hardware. I have a chance to purchase a 2.8C/533 Northwood core for around $150.00. This would be an upgrade from a 2.4B/533 Northwood. This would be plugged into an Asus P4PE motherboard that has been absolutely flawless for 2 years. Using a PNY 6600gt AGP video card. Not into the overclocking route, so I'm wondering if this outlay of cash would be a waste of money? Would I realize any boost in speed or would it basically be negligible? My gaming consists of FS2004, Call of Duty, IL2 Forgotten Battles. Not into the newer game scene. Only waiting for the next version of Microsoft Flight Simulator. Any info would be appreciated. :)

Thanks. WallyGator

[fAlCoNNiAn]

there is no 2.8C with a 533 fsb. do you mean 2.8C with 800 FSB, or a 2.8A with 533 fsb (prescott)?

[WallyGator]

Sorry about that. It is a 2.8 c-1 stepping. S-spec is SL6PF, Costa Rica.

WallyGator

[Evilsizer]

alittle more info on your setup goes along way. What mobo are you using, is a dell/hp?

[fAlCoNNiAn]

to clear things up, you are wondering if there is a point to upgrade from 2.4b to a 2.8B (sl spec SL6PF).

my thoughts, no. 478 is dead, even though im holding onto mmy setup, there is no point of buying anything worthwhile for the 478 socket. save your money, and then get conroe when it comes out in mid'06.

happy new year and :welcome: to the forums. ;)

[Evilsizer]

to clear things up, you are wondering if there is a point to upgrade from 2.4b to a 2.8B (sl spec SL6PF).

well that all depends if his mobo can oc it well... many 2.8c's hit around 3.6ghz if his ram can hanlde it too... he has had the 2.4 for how long? So it might be worth it for him now and he can save even more for later.... I mean i dumped my p4 rig still sitting in the corner because i wet my self at the PM benches for games and thats why i got it. Total for new case/ram/cpu/mobo/adpater put me under $500 and im not getting rid of this till end of this year maybe even june of 07. Just depends on how much more demanding games get seeing how there will be no 7800's in agp even though there are still so many boxes with agp. Kinda shooting themselves in the foot but hey not my call. For me i didnt buy the 6800U i only spent the $60 for a new HSF for it to work. hahaha Friend has computer problems, Cant figure them out, about 5months of messing with it, he moves... leaving his whole WC setup at my house with the card, not to mention he spent over $500 for it. :eek:

*edit* its just IMO that it maybe worth it now for him to spend it if he keeps it ill the end of the year or slighty longer. When he will have more money for a complete new sys.
Just my 2cents

[WallyGator]

As my original post mentioned. My motherboard is an Asus P4PE. I'm currently running a PNY 6600gt AGP video card. DDR2700 ram.

WallyGator

[WallyGator]

Thanks for the replies. Just to clear things up, unless this system dies, it will be serving me until at least early to mid 2007.

So to see any real improvement in FPS between the 2.4 and 2.8 I would have to overclock the heck out of it?

Thanks again. WallyGator

[Shelnutt2]

Wally, you might as well overclock your 2.4 to 2.8 or greater. Save the $150. It is not worth it IMHO. If you are dead set on upgrading CPU, look on ebay for a used 3.06 northwood. It was HT.

[Evilsizer]

As my original post mentioned. My motherboard is an Asus P4PE. I'm currently running a PNY 6600gt AGP video card. DDR2700 ram.

WallyGator
sorry missed the Mobo/mem info. well i can say i had a 2.4b that did 3ghz with samsung pc2700 ram... you could get more out of your computer now if you tried a little overclocking. The higher fsb and 3ghz was a noticeable speed increase with windows and games using a ti4200. Well since your not into overclocking then yea wait... other wise i would say what harm could happen to try and oc ur current setup no cost at all for what might be 20-25% increase just guessing. The bottle next for you comp is the cpu that 6600gt really has a lot left in it.
here is what i got out of my 6600gt before i was able to use the 6800u
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8614365
this was at the same speed as in my sig. the PM has 2mb of l2 where your 2.4b has 512k i think. The 2mb on the PM really shines in games.

and here is one from my 3.0c @ 3.6ghz with 03
http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectdetails&projectType=10&projectId=4029119
now the 2.4ghz pm
http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectdetails&projectType=10&projectId=4046044

[Evilsizer]

Thanks for the replies. Just to clear things up, unless this system dies, it will be serving me until at least early to mid 2007.

So to see any real improvement in FPS between the 2.4 and 2.8 I would have to overclock the heck out of it?

Thanks again. WallyGator
hey wally due us a favor and use cpu-z and post a pic of it if possible. main thing we are looking for is stepping of the cpu. Cause i still have my D1 stepping 2.4ghz 533fsb cpu that did 3ghz right next to me in a cpu-case.
cpu-z here
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
also in there is a menu for your ram see if it tells you who made it..and the cas timings listed. This will help us tell you where you might fall as far are o/cing your current rig.

[WallyGator]

Thanks again to all. If I recall, my 2.4 is BO stepping. I looked it up on s-spec some time ago. I have tried to bump up the FSB several times just to fool around. Got it up to 2.8 stable. At 2.9 it crapped out. Would not boot to Windows. At a 2.8 overclock, my FPS in FS2004 remained exactly the same as my stock 2.4 speed. No difference. So I lowered my FSB back to advertised setting and haven't played around since. Just don't understand memory timings, ratios, uping the juice, etc. to get really involved. My luck I'll cook everything way beyond well done! :) So, my question, is $150 to much to pay for the 2.8 Northie for what speed benefits I may realize at stock settings? Wally

[Evilsizer]

you wont see anything with 400mhz more on a p4 need more like 800mhz

[fAlCoNNiAn]

well that all depends if his mobo can oc it well... many 2.8c's hit around 3.6ghz if his ram can hanlde it too... he has had the 2.4 for how long? So it might be worth it for him now and he can save even more for later.... I mean i dumped my p4 rig still sitting in the corner because i wet my self at the PM benches for games and thats why i got it. Total for new case/ram/cpu/mobo/adpater put me under $500 and im not getting rid of this till end of this year maybe even june of 07. Just depends on how much more demanding games get seeing how there will be no 7800's in agp even though there are still so many boxes with agp. Kinda shooting themselves in the foot but hey not my call. For me i didnt buy the 6800U i only spent the $60 for a new HSF for it to work. hahaha Friend has computer problems, Cant figure them out, about 5months of messing with it, he moves... leaving his whole WC setup at my house with the card, not to mention he spent over $500 for it. :eek:

*edit* its just IMO that it maybe worth it now for him to spend it if he keeps it ill the end of the year or slighty longer. When he will have more money for a complete new sys.
Just my 2cents

where the hell did you get 2.8C from? read the entire thread, he is asking about upgrading to a 2.8B from a 2.4B (B's have no HT and run on 533bus). So there is no point in upgrading. if he were asking about the 2.8C then there might be a consideration. but once again, 478 is dead. there is no point in buying additional hardware for a dead socket. :rolleyes:

[fAlCoNNiAn]

Wally, you might as well overclock your 2.4 to 2.8 or greater. Save the $150. It is not worth it IMHO. If you are dead set on upgrading CPU, look on ebay for a used 3.06 northwood. It was HT.
:thup:

[Evilsizer]

where the hell did you get 2.8C from? read the entire thread, he is asking about upgrading to a 2.8B from a 2.4B (B's have no HT and run on 533bus). So there is no point in upgrading. if he were asking about the 2.8C then there might be a consideration. but once again, 478 is dead. there is no point in buying additional hardware for a dead socket. :rolleyes:
do me a favor and read post 10 ok, TY. Yes i did read the whole post he said 2.8C /533 so i assumed he was able to use the 800fsb until he retold me what mobo is was. Im tring to help just like you are no need to get nasty.

[DeepScience]

do me a favor and read post 10 ok, TY. Yes i did read the whole post he said 2.8C /533 so i assumed he was able to use the 800fsb until he retold me what mobo is was. Im tring to help just like you are no need to get nasty.

The P4PE can cope with 800 but it looks like the chip is NOT a C. I was thinking about going for the 3.06HT from a 2.4@2.8 on my P4PE but the cost on those chips was very high. It ended up being far more cost efficient to get the X2 :) So if you can pick a 3.06 up for CHEAP then do it. But 2.4 to 2.8 is definitely not worth it. So which would have been better, 3.06 (533) and OC or 3.4 with no OC (800) ? Luck of the draw no doubt.

[mzs_biteme]

Just get a Celeron D 345 (3.06GHz stock) and overclock it to 3.8GHz (166MHZ FSB). Yor RAM will be within specs and CPU should handle that with ease... You will definitely notice the difference in speed.
BTW, the CPU is ~ $80...

Mike

[fAlCoNNiAn]

do me a favor and read post 10 ok, TY. Yes i did read the whole post he said 2.8C /533 so i assumed he was able to use the 800fsb until he retold me what mobo is was. Im tring to help just like you are no need to get nasty.
ok ok, look: there is no 2.8C /533 . To clear things up. he said 2.8, but its a C0. so he wrote it wrong. there was never any talk about a 2.8C, you made that up. The only talk was about upgrading from a 2.4b to a 2.8b. :bang head

how about you do US a favor and read post 5. ill even quote it for you:
to clear things up, you are wondering if there is a point to upgrade from 2.4b to a 2.8B (sl spec SL6PF).

[WallyGator]

Hey everybody, thanks for your very helpful advise. Just for the record, in my original post, I wrote the wrong information on the chip being a 2.8c. My mistake! I should have said it was a 2.8 with c-1 stepping. And your advise was sound on not throwing away $150 on a CPU that would provide virtually no speed increase, and the socket 478 being obsolete. Instead, I'll redirect the $150 bucks into a system upgrade kitty. It will take awhile, but it probably will be worth it. Again, thanks for all your insight. ;) Wally

[fAlCoNNiAn]

Hey everybody, thanks for your very helpful advise. Just for the record, in my original post, I wrote the wrong information on the chip being a 2.8c. My mistake! I should have said it was a 2.8 with c-1 stepping. And your advise was sound on not throwing away $150 on a CPU that would provide virtually no speed increase, and the socket 478 being obsolete. Instead, I'll redirect the $150 bucks into a system upgrade kitty. It will take awhile, but it probably will be worth it. Again, thanks for all your insight. ;) Wally
nice choice :thup:, once again, welcome to the forums. ;)

[Evilsizer]

ok ok, look: there is no 2.8C /533 . To clear things up. he said 2.8, but its a C0. so he wrote it wrong. there was never any talk about a 2.8C, you made that up. The only talk was about upgrading from a 2.4b to a 2.8b. :bang head

how about you do US a favor and read post 5. ill even quote it for you:
your the one that started the insults not me .... from the different posts it started to sound like 2 different cpu's..... Next time try not to start insulting people when they are trying to help. That miss reading stuff with so much miss talk in this thread. Also many people i talk to that are not into computers like some of us here do miss tell me what they have or plan on buying (ie. im getting 2.8c but it has a 533fsb.) I understand he cleared it up.... 478 might be dead to u but not the Dothan users, you can buy them cheap/used. With good ram they OC like a bat out of hell. Yea i read in june when i bought my mobo in sig say 478 is dead. You really have to look at how much your spending and if the rig you are going to buy will last long enough for you. I really want to see an amd cpu that could do 30sec in superpi that runs @2.4ghz. I havent seen any that come close. Then ones that can get to 30secs is @2.8/3ghz go look in the superpi section.