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If you watch closely in Tom's video (tomshardware.com) On the first one it fried as soon as he took the heatsink off,Not likely people come on...And on the second one he jolted around the CPU & the heatsink,Bet if you look on the bottom of that 2nd bet there's a pin or two broke,I'm not saying that the AMD cpu's can't or won't fail under extreme heat conditions,But people please,Look at the video...It's a complete setup :mad:
Shadow ÒÓ
10-29-01, 10:32 PM
if it is, it would be totally unlike Tom's Hardware.......dunno bud. AMD chips will fry in under 7 seconds. Considering it was already running plenty hot playing UT (or whatever) I'd think it wouldn't take long to finish it off. Plus notice the sinks were not clipped on.......may not have had good enough contact in the first place, so the chip was already hotter than normal.
Bet this thread winds up in debates. =)
ask arround the board how many people have fried amd chips. it doesnt matter how it was filmed because it will happen to any amd chip. maybe tom was just smarter than you think and he fried a dead chip instead of wasting a good cpu.
I have to agree with Shadow ÒÓ on this. Tom's Hardware is very well respected in this industry and has too much to lose by making false claims. I've never heard of any questionable reporting on that site.
It is well documanted that AMD CPU's are known to run much hotter than their Intel counterparts. AMD makes a point of stressing this on their website and in all of their literature.
My $.02
Well true...But I still can't quite believe because I ran QuakeIII without my heatsink & fans for about 2-3 minutes (very slow FPS I might add) But it didn't get hot enough to make it flame up and smoke like in tom's video...I respect his work and yes he has made some very good points,And AMD has stressed this in issue there website,Could be his was 1000Mhz and mines only 750 *shrug* I dunno just seems like a setup to me cause I fried a Intel celeron 433 PPGA in about the same time it was noted that it took to fry a AMD,And all I did was remove the heatsink,*shrugs again* I'm no pro and no expert,But I believe the AMD chip shouldv'e been able to last more then 2 seconds with the heatsink and fan took off..:rolleyes:
No expert on how hot the AMD chips can get but don't you think almost 700°F would be hot enough to completely melt the chip :confused:
700 degrees will melt plastic but copper or whatever material the core is made of would probably take a bit more. dont most metals melt at temperatures well above 1000 degrees F
klosters64a
10-29-01, 11:31 PM
Allegedly, the new Athlon XP's have the "auto-shutdown" feature as well as the built-in thermal diode. And they're 20% cooler. Whew, 'bout freakin' time, AMD.
Originally posted by Hexen
If you watch closely in Tom's video (tomshardware.com) On the first one it fried as soon as he took the heatsink off,Not likely people come on...And on the second one he jolted around the CPU & the heatsink,Bet if you look on the bottom of that 2nd bet there's a pin or two broke,I'm not saying that the AMD cpu's can't or won't fail under extreme heat conditions,But people please,Look at the video...It's a complete setup :mad:
Sounds lie some sort of conspiracy to me, too. As a matter of fact, i don't even think those hands in the video are really Tom's !! Seems to me to look more like Bill Gate's hands!! (Of course, it just might be..as he has his hands in most things anyway.)
;)
Hmm,Well this has been edjucational to me anyway :p And yeah I seen the video on the new AMD XP 1800,Very nice and does have the shut down technoligy when it reaches a certain tempature (Let's hope not 700°F :eek: )Hehe...Might have been bill gates,He's always trying to make Intel look good,No offense to the Intel family but I think billy boy sabotaged the experiment! Let's go find his house and throw toilet paper on it! :p
Originally posted by Ebola
i dare you to test it.
Id say you first!!!:D
stompah
10-30-01, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by klosters64a
Allegedly, the new Athlon XP's have the "auto-shutdown" feature as well as the built-in thermal diode. And they're 20% cooler. Whew, 'bout freakin' time, AMD. Note AMD's thermal protection requires the MB to support it. The MB is what shuts the CPU down. Unlike Intel which do all of taht on the CPU. Big difference.
This is one of the reasons I beleive AMD is an inferior product. The technology is there. They do not use the tech to make chips cheaper. If only AMD truly woke up and realized that MHZ means nothing to computer makers (large companies) but failure rate does. Now Intel has a track record, AMD does not. How could AMD beat Intel's track record? Thermal protection, stronger cores and f curse ditch the xxxx+ crap... just call the CPU an 1.8g Intel does it. And when someone cries foul simply start the benchmarking.
Oh yes the 1800+ XP is still not the fastest processor number wise. AMD needs to bury Intel MHz wise. Even if it means trashing their current line and updating to the .13micron manufacturing process.
AMD is like the Mustang GT Its fast people knows is fast. Some models trounce the Vettes numbers wise. But why does the Vette (and Camaro/Trans Am) reign supreme? Because for saddles its car with a 4.6L D/SOHC vs 5.7L pushrod found in the Vettes. Larger engine size equals more torque... which equals faster acceleration. If Ford took its new tech and made an engine with over 5L they would trounce the Vette.
Ford and AMD know how to beat the compition but for some reason they love to trot behind the leader, riding the shoulders of their uninformed supporters. (note: I do know that AMD makes faster CPUs than Intel but they are still behind on many other important issues.) Ask a Mustang GT owner about his cars performance VS an Vette (Camaro/Mustang) and he/she will rave about the superiority of their vehicle over the Vette. Same with AMD owners.
Please note that my #1 system is Intel and will likely always be. I have a p4 just waiting for the extra cash so I may buy a MB. And when that $ becomes available it will take over as my main system. Sorry AMD and your followers... you are one step behind, please catch up.
Originally posted by ifmu
Id say you first!!!:D
I have a p3. no worrys here.
stompah
10-30-01, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by klosters64a
And they're 20% cooler. Whew, 'bout freakin' time, AMD. I forgot. While I have my full load temps at no more than 40c others have complained about its heat... I have a lapped OCZ Gladiator w/black label delta.
Sorry for the first rant I never made my point about your last statement.
Shadow ÒÓ
10-30-01, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by Ebola
i dare you to test it.
ROFL....and make sure you have a vid cam handy! =)
Play nice guys and we'll leave this here a bit.....otherwise its off to the Debates section. =)
stompah
10-30-01, 12:13 AM
Oh yeah for Tom's test the final CPU the MP the clip was engaged that was what took him so long to disengage the HS. Hence the rocking. If you paid attention to the clip yo can see him Undue the clip.
Shadow ÒÓ
10-30-01, 12:16 AM
by Joe, you're right! I saw him doing the rocking to loosen the rear clip, but overlooked the fact he disengaged the front one.
Now now! Ain't no need to holler at the lil newbie here! :(
stompah
10-30-01, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by Shadow ÒÓ
by Joe, you're right! I saw him doing the rocking to loosen the rear clip, but overlooked the fact he disengaged the front one.
I now se why I was made a Senior member!
Also while watching a movie... no matter how short the flash I can spot a nipple from a mile away!
Shadow ÒÓ
10-30-01, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by stompah
I can spot a nipple from a mile away!
I've always been able to do that! Oh.......you mean on the board. Never mind. =)
Originally posted by Hexen
Now now! Ain't no need to holler at the lil newbie here! :(
Don't believe anyone's yellin atcha bud........maybe disagreeing, but not yellin. Disagreement is a good thing.......provokes thought and promotes solutions. =)
stompah
10-30-01, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by Shadow ÒÓ
Don't believe anyone's yellin atcha bud........maybe disagreeing, but not yellin. Disagreement is a good thing.......provokes thought and solutions. =)
I was :mad: j/k. :D
Über~PhLuBB
10-30-01, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Hexen
If you watch closely in Tom's video (tomshardware.com) On the first one it fried as soon as he took the heatsink off,Not likely people come on...And on the second one he jolted around the CPU & the heatsink,Bet if you look on the bottom of that 2nd bet there's a pin or two broke,I'm not saying that the AMD cpu's can't or won't fail under extreme heat conditions,But people please,Look at the video...It's a complete setup :mad:
Naw, the HSF retainer was stuck. He had to wriggle it to get it off the seat. It just so happens AMDs are so damn hot, they die before he even got the HSF completely off.
I know Shadow ÒÓ :D ,I just like my AMD's,Even though they are right,It does have a bit of a heat problem...And that's cause of the microns (ty stompah),And I agree with stompah that AMD's are not closely resembling the safety of a Intel,But me personally i'm just tired of the Intel,Been using them for over 8 years,Just wanted to use an AMD for a while,There not bad but they do have some serious heat related issues (ty stompah lol),But the amazing thing about them is that there set at one speed (AMD 1800 for example) Out did some of the P4's benchmarks by a little or a long shot,But still the reliability is the most wanted thing people are looking for now-a-days,AMD & Intel run a real good race in the Mhz family,Intel has the speed & the safety,AMD has a bit better speed but doesn't have as good safety as the brotheren Intel,So both CPU's have about the same ranking,I just prefer AMD for a while,But if I had to choose between the P4 & the AMD 1800..I'd want the AMD 1800 (and the mobo w/ that shutdown option too lol) I don't mind spending the money,Other people like to get more for there buck,P4 wise,Not saying either one out ranks the other,But AMD could come out with better core's & chips I agree on that,Just seemed kind of ignorent to me that he was running a HSF on his athlon chip and as soon as he took it off the thing burnt up,Had to have more elapsed time in that,And if he took the heatsink off and the chip burnt up,Then he tested the heat,About 700°F,Okay in that short time oh lets say 2-3 seconds the processor some how could have possibly gained about an extra 600°?Seems kind of strange to me that it would get that hot so quick...*shrugs* Still iv'e seen both sides of the videos and heard both sides of the story,Now to just wait and see what provales in this event. And there's my $0.02 worth...
RedDeathDrinker
10-30-01, 03:28 AM
I dare you to test it
If Joe or Skip want to send me an Epox 8KHA and an AthlonXP 1800, I'll gladly test it for them.........:)
foxmulder
10-30-01, 03:46 AM
I trashed a Tbird 1400 last week :( The cooling block wasn't on right and my Digital Doc 5 showed 95 deg, Celsius (dunno what that is in F) in about 5 seconds. couldn't even turn off the machine on time so yeah they definitely do get that hot that fast. Now I have a Xp1700 and it's a big improvment over the Tbirds imo but AMD still has a ways to go to in this area
Originally posted by Hexen
Well true...But I still can't quite believe because I ran QuakeIII without my heatsink & fans for about 2-3 minutes (very slow FPS I might add) But it didn't get hot enough to make it flame up and smoke like in tom's video...I respect his work and yes he has made some very good points,And AMD has stressed this in issue there website,Could be his was 1000Mhz and mines only 750 *shrug* I dunno just seems like a setup to me cause I fried a Intel celeron 433 PPGA in about the same time it was noted that it took to fry a AMD,And all I did was remove the heatsink,*shrugs again* I'm no pro and no expert,But I believe the AMD chip shouldv'e been able to last more then 2 seconds with the heatsink and fan took off..:rolleyes:
Im pretty sure there is a big differnce in slot 1 and socket a alos i know my chip would fry in about 3 or 4 seconds without a heat sink.
Slychilde
10-30-01, 09:23 PM
I would just like to add that I accidently forgot to plug in the fan on my heatsink when I re-apllied some thermal compound one time. I got to the start-up of win2k before I realized I didn't hear the whine of my fan. My AMD didn't die, and it must not have even gone over 60c (I have auto-shutdown supposedly). Just shows what a good heatsink can do, and makes me feel a little safer about my system. Good HSF/good mobo=no worries :)
Originally posted by Slychilde
I would just like to add that I accidently forgot to plug in the fan on my heatsink when I re-apllied some thermal compound one time. I got to the start-up of win2k before I realized I didn't hear the whine of my fan. My AMD didn't die, and it must not have even gone over 60c (I have auto-shutdown supposedly). Just shows what a good heatsink can do, and makes me feel a little safer about my system. Good HSF/good mobo=no worries :)
LOL What does the HSF do in this situation.. Just crapped out :D
Slychilde
10-30-01, 10:51 PM
LOL What does the HSF do in this situation.. Just crapped out
I don't follow you. It was my error not the HSF. It did more than it was supposed to do. Thank god for idiot proof hardware :o
stompah
10-30-01, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Yodums
LOL What does the HSF do in this situation.. Just crapped out :D
A larger more effeicient HS has the ability to soak more heat from the CPU. Its like a jug of water, the larger the jug the more water it can hold.
krakerman
10-31-01, 12:01 AM
i dont really see the whole point in tom's test. who in their right mind would run the computer without a heatsink? that test just makes absolutely NO sense. now, running w/o a fan i can see as it may die, but no hsf at all? bah, worthless and shows nothing. and yes, i run an athlon. but, honestly, if im dumb enough to start ANY current cpu w/o a heatsink i deserve to have it ignite. also, you can prevent this by simply getting a board w/ an auto shutdown feature. that should work right? or you could always just put a hsf on the cpu.
r0ckstarbob
10-31-01, 06:54 AM
i've said it before and i'll say it again
Tom is an idiot who only knows what a motherboard IS because they write the word "motherboard" in big black permanant maker on the celophane covering holding it. (they have to write the word "motherboard" on there special for Tom when they send him boards to review so he knows what to do with it - if they don't he thinks its a pizza and tries to put pepperoni on it and shove it in the oven - in all fairness though it's not really his fault, he was one of the original Jerrys Kids)
r0ckstarbob
10-31-01, 06:55 AM
they have to do the same thing with CPU's or he thinks it's his garage door opener.
Maximus Nickus
11-01-01, 11:41 AM
i have a wbk38 which aint da best and da fan was off 4 5mins playing q3 before i noticed! hit 93C!!! didnt fry at all, still sweet as a birdy!
Maximus Nickus
11-01-01, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by ifmu
Id say you first!!!:D
Obviously you are totally one sided against AMD, and you shouldn't be, I love AMD but i still think Intel's are better in some cases, ie: they dont get as hot, they are also more reliable, but AMD's are faster and about half the price, they are also great overclockers, yeah they do blow if the hsf comes off but whats the likelyhood of that? I mean there so tightly on they could never just fly off, so just because they blow up means squat, its just a way to give Intel a bonus point.
Sure AMD has lower clock speeds but thats becuase they are of higher quality thus out-performing the higher clocked p4's, there are many arguments for this but remember everyone has there own personal opinion.
Just remember this and keep your mind open.
Maximus Nickus
11-01-01, 11:49 AM
WhoopS!!!!!!!
I replied to the wrong person!
I was meant to reply to the guy who wrote a really long one totally dissin AMD!!!!
Sorry!:rolleyes:
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