Is intel going to take over the world with Yonah?

[ozzlo]

The past few days It seems that All the planets in the solar system are all alligned or something like that because INTEL is just EXPLODING (in a good way). Beleive it or not this is like the largest movement intel has made in quite awhile Releasing yonah for PC's AND MACS allmost simultaneously With a new logo and slogan as icing on the cake.

Keynote transcript (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060110-5938.html)

The macworld keynote was this morning and in a nutshell Steve jobs basically said that EVERY SINGLE MAC WE MAKE WILL HAVE A YONAH PROCESSOR. Apple has also adopted intel's new MOTTO of Peformance Per watt... We all knew that apple would switch to intel processors but Who would know that apple would use EXCLUSIVLY YONAH... Most interesting of note is that the YONAH chips are for Desktops also as you can see yonah (named Intel core DUO) is now the head of intel's desktop chip production... If you look at the specs of the desktop chips they run on the same FSB as the notebook chips plus I cant find any mention of NETBURST anywhere...

This is very sudden and such a huge launch acrossed all platforms... Reminds me of operation shock and awe... :D

[Evilsizer]

when there was talk of mac's using intels there was only real option for them since p4's run to high a wattage. mac's are know for being quite dothan/yonah was mac's plan all along to use these.

[thegreek]

all we need a MB that we can OC it with... I'd love to see how YONAH compares to PRESLER

[germanjulian]

how much wattage do these babies use at 2Ghz.. I saw some benchmarks which show that the 2Ghz duo (yanath) is as fast as an A64 3800 or faster :)

if they dont consume much power it will be my chip of choice.. rather quiete then powerful... if I can passive aircool this baby and clock it a bit I be happy

[Evilsizer]

how much wattage do these babies use at 2Ghz.. I saw some benchmarks which show that the 2Ghz duo (yanath) is as fast as an A64 3800 or faster :)

if they dont consume much power it will be my chip of choice.. rather quiete then powerful... if I can passive aircool this baby and clock it a bit I be happy
from what i remember being posted 2.13ghz max wattage 31watts each core.
and its Yonah...

*edit*
i loved reading this part from anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=10
*edit #2*
OMG! intel has put them up on the sspec finder
1.66ghz-2.13ghz is 31watts if they follow suite of the dothans except the faster cpus to have the same 31watts.
duo core
1.66ghz
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL8VR&ProcFam=1042&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL
2.13ghz
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL8VN&ProcFam=1042&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL
single core
1.66ghz @27watts!!!!
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL8VY&ProcFam=1043&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL
this is the one im after as no shareing of the L2 cache as on the duo cores. damnit... now i really want one :bang head

[>HyperlogiK<]

Yonah is a very good chip indeed, and promises good things for merom, but I don't think it is good enough for them to take over the world on it's own merits, because of the following:

-Across a range of benchmarks it is only as good as the X2s clock for clock, and the X2 has been out for some time.

-It's power consumption is far better than the Athlon X2, but is being made on a 65 nm process, which the A64s might be on fairly soon.

-AMD supposedly have a cooler dual core Turion design in the pipes.

-Intel may have trouble ramping up the speeds, this is just a very fancy Pentium 3 after all.

-AMD/IBM are suppose to have some new tweaked SOI process which should make their chips run cooler.

However Hector Ruiz is an idiot, and Intel have a lot more money and research capacity to put into fudging some extra mhz out of the design. The other thing is the the memory benchmarks for Yonah are awesome, and not all accounted for by the big cache. I don't think Yonah will take over, but whether Merom or later designs do probably depends more on the circus at AMD HQ than how good the designs are.

[Hamm3r]

Yonah is an excelent chip, but for desktop use I think Conroe will be much better.
AFAIK Conroe will have some new features ( like Macro ops fusion ) so that will probably have even higher IPC than Yonah, and could hit higher clocks as they wont worry that much about low power consumption.

[Sentential]

It all depends on how the design holds up. If it cant hit atleast 3ghz its game over for them this year. AMD will have the speeds and certinaly the bandwith to waste anything below that mark

[Hamm3r]

Or if they manage to improve the IPC drastically, which seems unlikely because Yonah is already very efficient. We will see.

[>HyperlogiK<]

things will be best for us if both companies have similarly competetive products at every level, hopefull Conroe/Yonah/Merom and 65nm SSOI for AMD and K8L will keep things interesting.

[metloaf]

I agree, a healthy competition between AMD and Intel is always a good thing for us, the consumers. :cool:

[wingman99]

Yonah is an excelent chip, but for desktop use I think Conroe will be much better.
AFAIK Conroe will have some new features ( like Macro ops fusion ) so that will probably have even higher IPC than Yonah, and could hit higher clocks as they wont worry that much about low power consumption.

Hay how is that old Pentium M Micro-ops Fusion & Dedicated Stack Manager doing is there any bench marks comparison, or was it just marking hype.

[Hamm3r]

Well nobody really knows (except Intel) but there were some guesses going around that it improved efficiency considerably.

[larva]

You have to keep things in perspective.

-Across a range of benchmarks it is only as good as the X2s clock for clock, and the X2 has been out for some time.But that's vastly better than P4 processors, whose clock rate has kind of stalled out at a level that doesn't compensate for their low IPC.

-It's power consumption is far better than the Athlon X2, but is being made on a 65 nm process, which the A64s might be on fairly soon.Again, at levels vastly lower than even the 65nm P4s produce. If AMD catches up, then they've caught up, but for now its advantage Intel. And the power/heat properties come from the same thing that drives down production cost, that being small die size more than the 65nm process. P4s wrought from the 65nm process show power consumption similar to their 90nm pedecessors, indicating that this jump may improve yield more directly than power consumption and clock rate.

-AMD supposedly have a cooler dual core Turion design in the pipes.Bring it, sell it, actually turn a profit.

-Intel may have trouble ramping up the speeds, this is just a very fancy Pentium 3 after all.You provided the answer there yourself, later in your post: "Intel have a lot more money and research capacity to put into fudging some extra mhz out of the design." You are fixin' to see just how fast a P3 can run.

-AMD/IBM are suppose to have some new tweaked SOI process which should make their chips run cooler.That seems to be the only source of AMD fabrication advantages, so more would be no luxury of riches. In general Intel still leads the way in fabrication technology, and I'm not sure I'm really qualified to second-guess their judgement on such issues.

My opion is Intel has been hampered lately both in application performance and in profitablilty by the large die that results from their current archictectures as implemented at current clockspeeds. Chips like Yonah show what should have been before, and by this time has grown sorely needed. When you directly address the source of the real limitation, gains are immediate and striking.

[agentbad]

now if mac's could only get that price per component thing down maybe someone will buy one.

[>HyperlogiK<]

larva you mentioned several of my points about likely/certain (well as certain as anything is with old Hector) future AMD developments, and questioned how the represented problems/disadvatages for intel NOW. Obviously they don't, but the thread was questioning whther Yonah (and it's babies) could take over the world, and in that what AMD has in the pipeline is an important consideration. It may not affect the sales of Yonah now, but Yonah isn't taking over the world now, wheras it may be doing so in 10 months.

Also while intel have a lot of money to squeez out those extra mhz, they don't have a lot of time, and they have failed before with other designs (Tualitin P3s and Presscot).
But hopefully yonah will succed where these have failed.

[Evilsizer]

Also while intel have a lot of money to squeez out those extra mhz, they don't have a lot of time, and they have failed before with other designs (Tualitin P3s and Presscot).
But hopefully yonah will succed where these have failed.
the tualitin core had a slight problem when first released .... but at the time P4's were coming out so they had no need for them... even so at the time celey 1.2ghz @1.6ghz oced would do the same/ slighty better then the 2.4ghz P4.

[mcoleg]

the tualitin core had a slight problem when first released .... but at the time P4's were coming out so they had no need for them... even so at the time celey 1.2ghz @1.6ghz oced would do the same/ slighty better then the 2.4ghz P4.

what he said... tualitin core lasted me for very long time; it outran some of the lower end pIVs easily. running a dothan now and it's plenty fast. the design is still pretty solid and i hope yonah would be just as good as it's predicessors.

[diehrd]

Seams to me Intel had an arcitecure that ran with AMD back with the P-3,And I would suggest had Intel made improvments on that design AMD may have never taken the lead.

But lets remember Intel took another path,And only after some time on that path did thay release a chip like dothan that was more like an AMD chip then a P-4 which Intel seamed to place its majority of intrest.

Now we are seeing Intel shrink dies,Which are not offering major clock speed increases as "Was" predicted would be the case by many when Intel moved to 90nm and had the heat issues.

From what I can gather by watching all this Intel activity is that there on a path similar to AMD and are doing everything they can to make noise to keep this point out of the disussion with many releases stacked together,die shrinks, Mac release, ect ect ect .

SO from standing on the side lines I would guess that Intel does stand ready to take over the world,and may in fact do so if Amd can not now win a Mhz war of similar architecures.

[wingman99]

The past few days It seems that All the planets in the solar system are all alligned or something like that because INTEL is just EXPLODING (in a good way). Beleive it or not this is like the largest movement intel has made in quite awhile Releasing yonah for PC's AND MACS allmost simultaneously With a new logo and slogan as icing on the cake.

Keynote transcript (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060110-5938.html)

The macworld keynote was this morning and in a nutshell Steve jobs basically said that EVERY SINGLE MAC WE MAKE WILL HAVE A YONAH PROCESSOR. Apple has also adopted intel's new MOTTO of Peformance Per watt... We all knew that apple would switch to intel processors but Who would know that apple would use EXCLUSIVLY YONAH... Most interesting of note is that the YONAH chips are for Desktops also as you can see yonah (named Intel core DUO) is now the head of intel's desktop chip production... If you look at the specs of the desktop chips they run on the same FSB as the notebook chips plus I cant find any mention of NETBURST anywhere...

This is very sudden and such a huge launch acrossed all platforms... Reminds me of operation shock and awe... :D

Yonah vs. Dothan lets get ridiculous
+ = Better, - = worse % = 100

Business Winstone 2004
Dothan 24.3 Yonah tests 21.6 = - 2.7 or 11%

Communication SYSMark 2004
Dothan 129 Yonah tests 146 = +17 or 12%

Document Creation SYSMark 2004
Dothan 202 Yonah tests 215 = +13 or 6%

Data Analysis SYSMark 2004
Dothan 118 Yonah tests 138 = +20 or 14%

Multimedia Content Creation Winstone 2004
Dothan 29.8 Yonah tests 34.7 = +4.9 or 14%

3D Content Creation SYSMark 2004
Dothan 188 Yonah tests 264 = +76 or 29%

2D Content Creation SYSMark 2004
Dothan 255 Yonah tests 323 = +68 or 21%

Web Publication SYSMark 2004
Dothan 169 Yonah tests 239 = +70 or 29%

DivX
Dothan 39.7 fps Yonah tests 57.5 fps = +17.8 fps or 31%

Doom 3
Dothan 95.5 fps Yonah tests 93.8 fps = - 1.7 fps or 2%

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=3

This is just like shock and awe, all noise bright lights and effective max like 31% lol

[Evilsizer]

The loose in some of the apps maybe either because the 2mb's of L2 is being shared on the yonah "duo core" or the app is not for dual cores... just a thought... i dont keep up with benchmarking proggies that are smp enabled.

[mcoleg]

nah, i think it's just the core speed, and i quote: "our Yonah only runs at 2.0GHz, and our reference Dothan numbers are from a 2.13GHz CPU"

[Evilsizer]

nah, i think it's just the core speed, and i quote: "our Yonah only runs at 2.0GHz, and our reference Dothan numbers are from a 2.13GHz CPU"
but we wont know that for sure till we see reviews of the single core yonah running at the same speed of the dual core... Both do have 2mb's of L2 but the sharing of the 2mb's on the dual core could be causeing some of the numbers as i stated... we just have to wait and see.

[>HyperlogiK<]

There is also the question of how well SMP enabled an app is, even with the same hardware config, a build of some of these programs in 6 months times could run quite a bit quicker.

[wingman99]

Yonah vs. Dothan lets get ridiculous
+ = Better, - = worse % = 100

Business Winstone 2004
Dothan 24.3 Yonah tests 21.6 = - 2.7 or 11%

Communication SYSMark 2004
Dothan 129 Yonah tests 146 = +17 or 12%

Document Creation SYSMark 2004
Dothan 202 Yonah tests 215 = +13 or 6%

Data Analysis SYSMark 2004
Dothan 118 Yonah tests 138 = +20 or 14%

Multimedia Content Creation Winstone 2004
Dothan 29.8 Yonah tests 34.7 = +4.9 or 14%

3D Content Creation SYSMark 2004
Dothan 188 Yonah tests 264 = +76 or 29%

2D Content Creation SYSMark 2004
Dothan 255 Yonah tests 323 = +68 or 21%

Web Publication SYSMark 2004
Dothan 169 Yonah tests 239 = +70 or 29%

DivX
Dothan 39.7 fps Yonah tests 57.5 fps = +17.8 fps or 31%

Doom 3
Dothan 95.5 fps Yonah tests 93.8 fps = - 1.7 fps or 2%

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=3

This is just like shock and awe, all noise bright lights and effective max like 31% lol
I'm just comparing apples to apples

AMD ups the ante again with the Athlon 64 FX-60 Dual Core Processor. The AMD Athlon FX series of processors will never be the same. Finally, gamers do not need to compromise anything to step into the dual core era. With the power of 2 cores each with their own 1mb cache, each running at 2.6ghz, this CPU will tear through single and multithreaded games at amazing speeds.

The FX-60 is built on AMD's tried and true 90mn process which offers incredible speed in a small package while utilizing a 110w power requirement. This means that while you are enjoying the speed and power of this CPU, the heat is being kept under control, without the need of outlandish cooling apparatus.

This is the ultimate CPU for the PC Enthusiast/Gamer/Workstation. Dual core will let you multitask like never before. The FX-60 also utilizes AMD's popular socket 939, so chances are , upgrading will be quick an painless without the need of a new motherboard. So for those unwilling to compromise features for speed, and demmand the fastest dual core cpu around for their system, your search is over.

[Alpha_One]

I'm just comparing apples to apples

AMD ups the ante again with the Athlon 64 FX-60 Dual Core Processor. The AMD Athlon FX series of processors will never be the same. Finally, gamers do not need to compromise anything to step into the dual core era. With the power of 2 cores each with their own 1mb cache, each running at 2.6ghz, this CPU will tear through single and multithreaded games at amazing speeds.

The FX-60 is built on AMD's tried and true 90mn process which offers incredible speed in a small package while utilizing a 110w power requirement. This means that while you are enjoying the speed and power of this CPU, the heat is being kept under control, without the need of outlandish cooling apparatus.

This is the ultimate CPU for the PC Enthusiast/Gamer/Workstation. Dual core will let you multitask like never before. The FX-60 also utilizes AMD's popular socket 939, so chances are , upgrading will be quick an painless without the need of a new motherboard. So for those unwilling to compromise features for speed, and demmand the fastest dual core cpu around for their system, your search is over.

What's with the AMD press release?

But seriously, AMD can't exactly take over the world with a processor that costs as much as a decent computer. During AMD's heyday, everyone I knew had either a K6-II/III/+ or a Duron in their computers. Heck, there's a Duron in the computer I'm typing on right now.

[mcoleg]

but we wont know that for sure till we see reviews of the single core yonah running at the same speed of the dual core... Both do have 2mb's of L2 but the sharing of the 2mb's on the dual core could be causeing some of the numbers as i stated... we just have to wait and see.

there's more to that, i'm afraid. what sort of chipsets are used, what ram, etc., should come into consideration if we look real close. while i agree that dual core gives a boost in some apps mentioned, it's hardly an accross the board occurence yet. "yet" being a key word, of course.

i guess we have to wait till these hit retail for a better comparasion.

[wingman99]

What's with the AMD press release?

But seriously, AMD can't exactly take over the world with a processor that costs as much as a decent computer. During AMD's heyday, everyone I knew had either a K6-II/III/+ or a Duron in their computers. Heck, there's a Duron in the computer I'm typing on right now.

It's not a press release it's a ad at newegg .com

I'm just showing what real shock and awe technology is being done right now. These days progress is at ridiculous prices. The x2 is plenty good enough for the next 3-4 years the yonah will be OK

Intel Pentium D 950 Presler $748
Pentium M Processor 780 $655
This is not what i would call low cost or high performance comparison

I have been waiting for Intel to do something meaningful for the lat 3 years besides there high cost, something you could look forward towards, replacing a system with a faster one in a meaningfull way.

Intel insist on shutting down individual transistors to controll heat and Power issue's causing latency.

I have used new AMD's and Intel's

The new Intel's are now slow to respond when starting or switching tasks when a program is not in flight.

let me put it another way, i get ****ed off using the new slow Intel PCs

[Alpha_One]

It's not a press release it's a ad at newegg .com

I'm just showing what real shock and awe technology is being done right now. These days progress is at ridiculous prices. The x2 is plenty good enough for the next 3-4 years the yonah will be OK

Fair enough. I don't visit Newegg, because they don't ship to my country (and no, I'm not Canadian). Still, AMD isn't going to take over the world with a processor that costs four digits in American money.


Intel Pentium D 950 Presler $748
Pentium M Processor 780 $655
This is not what i would call low cost or high performance comparison

I have been waiting for Intel to do something meaningful for the lat 3 years besides there high cost, something you could look forward towards, replacing a system with a faster one in a meaningfull way.

Intel insist on shutting down individual transistors to controll heat and Power issue's causing latency.

I have used new AMD's and Intel's

The new Intel's are now slow to respond when starting or switching tasks when a program is not in flight.

let me put it another way, i get ****ed off using the new slow Intel PCs

And what's your basis for "shutting down individual transistors to controll(sic) heat and Power causing latency"? I agree, Intel hasn't done anything special in a while - their last REALLY good processor was Northwood, Prescott was meh for the heat it produced. But they aren't exactly slow, just slower than everyone expected them to be. If there's anything causing what you're describing as "the new Intels are now slow to respond when starting or switching tasks when a program is not in flight", I haven't noticed such thing. Maybe my 530J's FPS counter shows 10 less FPS than the Athlon64 system over there, but hey, it's plenty fast.

[wingman99]

Fair enough. I don't visit Newegg, because they don't ship to my country (and no, I'm not Canadian). Still, AMD isn't going to take over the world with a processor that costs four digits in American money.



And what's your basis for "shutting down individual transistors to controll(sic) heat and Power causing latency"? I agree, Intel hasn't done anything special in a while - their last REALLY good processor was Northwood, Prescott was meh for the heat it produced. But they aren't exactly slow, just slower than everyone expected them to be. If there's anything causing what you're describing as "the new Intels are now slow to respond when starting or switching tasks when a program is not in flight", I haven't noticed such thing. Maybe my 530J's FPS counter shows 10 less FPS than the Athlon64 system over there, but hey, it's plenty fast.

Microprocessor feature sizes are falling below 100 nanometers (nm). As feature sizes decrease, transistors leak power, even when they are turned off. Intel researchers are advancing circuit design techniques that help control leakage, and testing these techniques on a prototype Arithmetic Logical Unit (ALU).

Bias
By dynamically adjusting the voltage applied to the body of a transistor (bias), researchers can manipulate the threshold voltage—the voltage at which the transistor turns on. Having localized control of the bias voltage enables the designer to make tradeoffs between the circuit performance and power it consumes. This capability can be used to reduce leakage during periods of inactivity or to increase performance during peak use.

Dynamic Sleep Transistor
Dynamic Sleep Transistor is another innovative Intel technique that involves adding a transistor in series with the power supply that can be turned off when a block of logic circuitry is in idle mode, thus reducing leakage. Research teams anticipate this power-saving feature to be introduced in Intel's 65nm process technology products.

http://www.intel.com/technology/silicon/power/chipdesign.htm

With the move to Yonah however, the L2 cache latency has gone up a whopping 40%. While we’re still dealing with a lower access latency than the Pentium 4, this increase will hurt Yonah.

We’re guessing that the increase in access latency is due to the new dynamically resizable L2 cache that’s used in Yonah. In order to save power as well as maximize the use of the shared L2 cache between cores, Yonah can dynamically adjust the size of its L2 cache, flushing data to main memory when faced with low demand. The associated logic is most likely at least partially to blame for the increase in L2 cache latency.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=3

An EE Times article revealed that Intel is planning on using "sleep transistors" in upcoming integrated circuits. "Sleep transistors" are circuits designed to minimize power consumption and heat dissipation. Basically, the chip will contain specialized circuitry that will shut down certain areas of the chip that aren't immediately needed. The problem with this approach is that it will degrade performance somewhat, and will lead to an increased transistor count. But Intel is clearly becoming increasingly worried by heat problems, and therefore has little choice but to develop this technique.

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002june/bch20020614012180.htm

I'm just saying the new Intel's with the 31 stage pipes have lag bubbles in branch prediction that i cannot tolerate and the Yonah will have less stage's but sleep transistors.

Intel could of used a thermal insulator like AMD and really got 90nm, 65nm speed moving but they are stubborn to change. Body Bias, Sleep Transistors, has been there quest from 2002 even if it does not work well, that's Intel

2004
Merom aims to get Pentium 4 levels of performance from a chip running at a substantially lower clock rate. Apparently Intel failed in producing the high-clock-rate Netburst architecture using there 31 staged pipeline. With upcoming processors scheduled to dissipate almost 130 watts, Intel sees clock speed slowing down before they go back to 20 stage pipeline. This should really help to kill the previous and existing performance.

The solution is obvious to what AMD IBM have been doing for years raise the number of Instructions Per Cycle (IPC) the CPU can process. "Merom" will eschew sky-high clock rates for a more reasonable clock and shorter pipelines like AMD's 12 stage pipeline . Intel would then place "Merom" in both desktops and laptops, just as it used to do prior to the Pentium M. This convergence is scheduled for sometime in 2007. until then buy AMD there Faster. :cool:

[Evilsizer]

Intel would then place "Merom" in both desktops and laptops, just as it used to do prior to the Pentium M. This convergence is scheduled for sometime in 2007. until then buy AMD there Faster. :cool:
sorry i just have to comment on this part... you can use a dothan in a desktop right now..... I would like to see a AMD wiether A64 or optron do 30.22secs for superpi 1m calc. So far by the benchmarking team it takes:

46. Sentential - 29.88s - P4 660 4314MHz
47. Stang8118 - 30.00s - a64 Venice 3000
48. Fizz - 30.08s - A64 3000 Venice @ 2.8 GHz
49. Guinhill - 30.11s - Pm 2631MHz
50. Evilsizer - 30.22s - PM 730 @ 2.4ghz
51. Vrykyl - 30.31s - A64 3700 San Diego 2750mhz
52. hainer36 - 30.56s - 3700 San Diego @ 2863 Mhz
53. koontz946 - 30.65s - 3200 @ 2781MHz / DDR556 2.5 - 4 - 3 - 7
54. darksparkz - 30.75s - Opteron 175 @ 2841mhz
55. Vaio - 30.92s - P4 650 @ 4250MHz
56. jack222 - 31.00s - Athlon 64 Venice @ 2.7GHz

notice the 2.7ghz on the a64 #51... hmmm faster, maybe in apps i dont run but thats not what i care about.... its games i havent seen any 2.4ghz a64/optron/ect... near my comp with the same video card.

[wingman99]

sorry i just have to comment on this part... you can use a dothan in a desktop right now..... I would like to see a AMD wiether A64 or optron do 30.22secs for superpi 1m calc. So far by the benchmarking team it takes:

46. Sentential - 29.88s - P4 660 4314MHz
47. Stang8118 - 30.00s - a64 Venice 3000
48. Fizz - 30.08s - A64 3000 Venice @ 2.8 GHz
49. Guinhill - 30.11s - Pm 2631MHz
50. Evilsizer - 30.22s - PM 730 @ 2.4ghz
51. Vrykyl - 30.31s - A64 3700 San Diego 2750mhz
52. hainer36 - 30.56s - 3700 San Diego @ 2863 Mhz
53. koontz946 - 30.65s - 3200 @ 2781MHz / DDR556 2.5 - 4 - 3 - 7
54. darksparkz - 30.75s - Opteron 175 @ 2841mhz
55. Vaio - 30.92s - P4 650 @ 4250MHz
56. jack222 - 31.00s - Athlon 64 Venice @ 2.7GHz

notice the 2.7ghz on the a64 #51... hmmm faster, maybe in apps i dont run but thats not what i care about.... its games i havent seen any 2.4ghz a64/optron/ect... near my comp with the same video card.

I'm building a dothan notebook at this moment.

It was a old quote from 2004 showing what intell was doing incorrectly,
changing to 31 staged pipes and leaving it that way. Without the 4-5 GHz increase needed to utilize that amount of 31 stage pipe. There is a speed penalty when you add more stages and don't have the GHz. They did not go back to 20 stage

They have done this before P3-p4 20 stage pipe a big jump 2 years later better performance

They did not make it this time past 4GHz

p4 20 stage pipe is good up to 4GHz

All the people that upgraded in the past 3 years with Intel you have to feel for them if wasn't a dothan.

Things that came true
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/05/the_65_nm_pentium_d_900s_coming_out_party/page20.html

http://reviews.cnet.com/AMD_Athlon_64_FX_60/4505-3086_7-31641790-2.html

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/01/intel-pentium-d-950-presler-may.html

My past predictions here
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=426762&page=1&pp=30

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=431042