Surfrat's 651 Results!

[TechtonicPC]

Well finally she is up and running! Before I go into results I have to give a HUGE thanks to Sent! He drove an hour to bring a chip so I could flash my bios! You da man!!!

Ok for the nitty gritty!

Intel 651
SL94W - Malay

Ok, first problem we had was the temperature. The IHS on this thing is complete garbage. I took a pick that Sent is going to post in another thread, when you see it you will know what i mean! Ok so after 2 hours of experimenting with AS5 and Heatsink placement, we got it to load at 40c idol. Not great, but not bad.

FYI this is on Air Cooling: XP 120 w/ Panaflow 118cfm
MOBO: Asus P5WD2- Premium

Here is where i have ended up at this point:

4.5ghz
1.325 volts

Appears to be 100% stable, but have not had time to Prime it yet. Here are some pics.

PCMark04
http://techtonicpc.com/images/4.5ghz run 1.JPG

3DMark03
http://techtonicpc.com/images/3dmark03 run 1.JPG

SuperPI
http://techtonicpc.com/images/superpi run 1.JPG

Idol temps at this speed are 43c. Load temps are 60c.

So what do we think?

[TechtonicPC]

Sorry pictures were a little to big, click on them to get a clear image.

Also, I have not had time to really tweak anything to much. Ram timings and what not are stilla t default, so I hope to get some better benchmark scores eventually. Will probably burn in onight and install a fresh copy of windows tomorrow.

[hyperasus]

Looks like cm is what all the aircoolers have been waiting for.

[TechtonicPC]

Not trying to be anal about screen shots but CPU-Z 1.31 (http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-131.zip) should be more accurate on the CM readings.

Thank you. :)

4.5ghz on air......nice!


Sorry I used what I had and hadn't even noticed the old version.

http://techtonicpc.com/images/4.5ghz cpuz.JPG

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

Nice Surf, Sen told me your IHS is totally screwed up ..imagine how well it would clock w/ a nice IHS? :).

[TechtonicPC]

Nice Surf, Sen told me your IHS is totally screwed up ..imagine how well it would clock w/ a nice IHS? :).

Yea it is just pitiful!!!

A picture is worth a thousand words rigth!!

http://techtonicpc.com/images/IHSOMG.jpg

[hUMANbEATbOX]

very nice results. load temps are a bit high, but i'm sure you can work on getting them down, then you can go for some more ;)

you should post that pic of the IHS in here too, just for reference, as it is your IHS, and this is your thread ;)

*edit* you are way ahead of me. that is terrible, i would say a good lapping is in order, but its a brand new chip. I would email that pic to someone at Intel, and see if you get a response.

you know, they spend SOOO much on R&D, you would think making a square piece of aluminum covered copper FLAT wouldn't be too much of a problem. :rolleyes:

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

Holy ... **** .. LMAO! That is by far the worst IHS ive ever seen ..mine isn't nearly as bad as that (Intel 650)

[RangerXLT8]

The IHS are exactly how Intel designed them to be. The last 3 intel cpus I've owned are the exact same as the one pictured above. Notice on the stock cooler, the TIM is in a small square, so when it heats up it spreads out, leaving about a 1/8th inch perimeter around the edge of the heatspreader. Every Intel(socket478,775) heatspreader is almost concave. You cleary covered the entire HS with TIM, and since outer rim of the HS is higher, that leaves that ring, where there is no contact on the center. Put a dab of AS5 in the center of the heatspreader, and then put the heatsink on an that will give you the spread you need. The outer maybe 1/8th" does not have to be in contact with the heatsink at all. All the heat is transfered through the center of the heatspreader. Sent and surf you can argue, but I'm telling you, Intel would not release all these procs from different generations with a defective heatspreader.

[Sentential]

Sent and surf you can argue, but I'm telling you, Intel would not release all these procs from different generations with a defective heatspreader.
I beg to differ, my 640 has an excelent IHS and we were getting 36C idle on his board to flash for CM support (this in stark contrast to the initial 63C boot)

[TechtonicPC]

The IHS are exactly how Intel designed them to be. The last 3 intel cpus I've owned are the exact same as the one pictured above. Notice on the stock cooler, the TIM is in a small square, so when it heats up it spreads out, leaving about a 1/8th inch perimeter around the edge of the heatspreader. Every Intel(socket478,775) heatspreader is almost concave. You cleary covered the entire HS with TIM, and since outer rim of the HS is higher, that leaves that ring, where there is no contact on the center. Put a dab of AS5 in the center of the heatspreader, and then put the heatsink on an that will give you the spread you need. The outer maybe 1/8th" does not have to be in contact with the heatsink at all. All the heat is transfered through the center of the heatspreader. Sent and surf you can argue, but I'm telling you, Intel would not release all these procs from different generations with a defective heatspreader.

Actually I spread it out that time so it was even all the way across, just to show how bad this IHS is. It is obviously hitting the edges and not in the middle. Placing a dab in the middle produced the same temps as spreading it. Now in the end we placed a LARGE dab in the middle. Probably 3 X what you would normally use. This provided the best temps, because the excess AS5 filled in the very large gap.

[Know Nuttin]

Very nice.

I'd push my 630 more but for whatever reason, anything over 280 on this board gives really weird results. 290 ended up at 251, 285 ended up at 262...

[TechtonicPC]

For an update. 2 Instances of Prime running for an hour now no problems thus far! I will let it run through the night.

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

Damn ..4.5ghz stable on a bad IHS ... id guess 4.7ghz would be a snap w/ a lapped IHS / flat IHS.

[proth]

Really nice Surf.

You reached a 4.5GHz with only 1.32v which is a 32% overclock.
On par with Ross's 661. Once you get the HSF straightened out 4.8 should be hit with ease. I wish someone had the cajones and cooling to see how CM runs @ 1.6v

[Sentential]

Damn ..4.5ghz stable on a bad IHS ... id guess 4.7ghz would be a snap w/ a lapped IHS / flat IHS.
Yes, shame Intel cant get em right :( (is not suggesting you lap the IHS, do what we discussed Surfrat)

[hUMANbEATbOX]

(is not suggesting you lap the IHS, do what we discussed Surfrat)

out of curiosity, what did you discuss? secret ihs tactics are intriguing ;)

[Sentential]

out of curiosity, what did you discuss? secret ihs tactics are intriguing ;)
He and I are banking on limping our gimp chips along for a second binned batch (one that will clock a great deal better). If we are gonna RMA them (which we rightfully can do) Im sure as hell going to use it to my advantage.

That being said for the record his chip did 4.4 on default volts on the XP120 with ridiclous temps.

[proth]

out of curiosity, what did you discuss? secret ihs tactics are intriguing ;)

Possibly peen the edges over with a hammer.?

[RangerXLT8]

Actually I spread it out that time so it was even all the way across, just to show how bad this IHS is. It is obviously hitting the edges and not in the middle. Placing a dab in the middle produced the same temps as spreading it. Now in the end we placed a LARGE dab in the middle. Probably 3 X what you would normally use. This provided the best temps, because the excess AS5 filled in the very large gap.

That large dab, bet is about the same amount of TIM as the stock Intel hSF has on it.

[Sentential]

That large dab, bet is about the same amount of TIM as the stock Intel hSF has on it.
For Surfrat's chip we used a pellet about the size of an uncooked piece of rice (which is what was needed)

[proth]

Surf,
Have you tried a suicide shot @ 5GHz.. ?? Would be nice to see how high you can boot into windows on stock voltage.. Just for giggles

[Sentential]

Surf,
Have you tried a suicide shot @ 5GHz.. ?? Would be nice to see how high you can boot into windows on stock voltage.. Just for giggles
Highest we got was roughly around ~4.7

[hyperasus]

Surf would be nuts to send that chip away. Its obviously a keeper. Lap it and let it rip all the way up to 5Ghz.

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

All chips might be like this ... :).

[proth]

Highest we got was roughly around ~4.7

What Vcore was he running

[dylskee]

Damn surf, excellent results man!!! I can't wait to get mine, I'm also on air with an XP-120 with a 220CFM fan so i hope my chip is as good as yours. Keep the results coming and post a picture of that IHS.

[CCUABIDExORxDIE]

He and I are banking on limping our gimp chips along for a second binned batch (one that will clock a great deal better). If we are gonna RMA them (which we rightfully can do) Im sure as hell going to use it to my advantage.

That being said for the record his chip did 4.4 on default volts on the XP120 with ridiclous temps.


this coming from a mushkin rep. I am APPALLED! YOU CAN NOT RMA A CHIP IF IT RUNS STOCK! NO MATTER HOW BAD THE IHS IS! IF IT RUNS STOCK WITH STOCK COOLER YOU CANT RMA! imagine if EVERYONE rma'd their Mushkin Ram because they didnt get the good heatspreaders that allowed for lower IC temps and higher overclocks. how long would mushkin last??

[Sentential]

this coming from a mushkin rep. I am APPALLED! YOU CAN NOT RMA A CHIP IF IT RUNS STOCK! NO MATTER HOW BAD THE IHS IS! IF IT RUNS STOCK WITH STOCK COOLER YOU CANT RMA! imagine if EVERYONE rma'd their Mushkin Ram because they didnt get the good heatspreaders that allowed for lower IC temps and higher overclocks. how long would mushkin last??
Before you panic you need to read what I said. These chips have a poor IHS to the point where they go into TM1 mode on the stock coolers. The only reason why they are not throtteling is purely because we are using 60dbl deltas on XP120s.

For us the pure hassle of RMAing them is atleast for me, enough to deter me doing it now if I'm simply going to get a similar calibur chip again. Im going to wait for the steppings improve and RMA my chip when they have fixed the EIST /C1E state issues

If you care to understand what I am referencing there are plenty of articles about this on google.

[CCUABIDExORxDIE]

and you cant RMA. youve gone over stock voltage. thats voiding warrentee.

[dylskee]

and you cant RMA. youve gone over stock voltage. thats voiding warrentee.
This is an overclocker's forum, who doesn't go over stock voltage??

[CCUABIDExORxDIE]

i do, but if my chip dies. it wont get RMA'd.

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

and you cant RMA. youve gone over stock voltage. thats voiding warrentee.

Reguardless, I wouldn't take a chip with an IHS that ****ty, reguardless if its voltage is higher than spec. Period

[hUMANbEATbOX]

there is a huge difference between burning and returning, and an IHS as messed up as surfrat's.

[(cf)eclipse]

Reguardless, I wouldn't take a chip with an IHS that ****ty, reguardless if its voltage is higher than spec. Period
simple solution, and it'll get you temps even better than a normal ihs would: lap :santa:

[proth]

I was really, really hoping to get 4.4-4.5GHz at default Vc, but I guess I can live with 4.3GHz. I will now see just how much Vc is required to run 4.5GHz

It seems Surf reached 4.5 at stock volts and with a 651. If the 200MHz per 100mv holds true, his 651 should hit the 5 gig mark around 1.52 volts...

That's exactly where Ross's 661 was

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

I would agree completely, if your chip ever did *die*, it wouldn't be in any physical condition for an RMA would it? ;).

On a side note, lapping would probably be the "ethical" thing to do. lol.

[hyperasus]

i do, but if my chip dies. it wont get RMA'd.


Thanks for the ethics lesson dad.

[dylskee]

simple solution, and it'll get you temps even better than a normal ihs would: lap :santa:
I agree, that's a damn nice chip and i wouldn't send it back and take my chances on getting a dud. But on the other hand these chips are a lot of $$$ and if it's not 100% (Which it isn't) a RMA is COMPLETLY within reason!
(Damn, Patriots just lost)!!!!!!! :cry:

[RangerXLT8]

I think I hear a bunch of girls whining about their heatspreaders. lol If your chips are throttling because of the bad IHS, then stick on the stock cooler and show me some throttlemonitor graphs. The above pictured IHS are no different than any other 5xx,6xx,8xx,9xx intel chips in a way that none are perfectly flat. They are all concave in a sense to 'pool' the TIM on the default heatsinks. RMA the chips if you want, but it's unethical, and it causes prices to be higher.

[proth]

You're crazy to RMA it... Either lap it or sell it to me, I'll give you what you paid for it...

That's a 5 gig chip easy.

[Sentential]

You're crazy to RMA it... Either lap it or sell it to me, I'll give you what you paid for it...

That's a 5 gig chip easy.
People are making far too many assumptions as I explaned to CCU. We have from the start decided to limp these chips along and evaluate our options in a month or two once Intel fixes the bugs on these chips.

Proth if you really wanted this chip you are about 4 hours too late. Had I not helped Surfrat get the temps under control he would have been happy to oblige you on that offer, he still might but I dont know.

I agree, that's a damn nice chip and i wouldn't send it back and take my chances on getting a dud. But on the other hand these chips are a lot of $$$ and if it's not 100% (Which it isn't) a RMA is COMPLETLY within reason!
(Damn, Patriots just lost)!!!!!!! :cry:
The basis of it was on a matter of function, not clocks. I would hapily at this point take a dud if it meant I wouldnt have to run my fans on full to keep the temps below max die on load.

Now that I added another 120mm fan to the side panel and reveresed my blowhole I have it just barely within spec. Im hoping this will last long enough to get me to AM2 or perhaps another chip.

[CCUABIDExORxDIE]

i agree that a bad IHS is a reason to be upset, but just lap it. the temps will decrease heavily, and there is little to no chance of hurting your chip, due to its lack of pins to bend. And say you do RMA, you get a bad chip. then what are you gonna do? the obvious choice is to ultra-void, even moreso then running with a different cooler and over volting, and lap.

[Ross]

Surfrat, I've been so busy with my own stuff, I didn't even realize that you got you proc running!! Congrats...that's looking like a nice proc so far. Watch those Vc settings when you start getting up there though. I see yours is doing the same big idle overvolt in the P5WD2 that mine did.

Lap that IHS and let's see a 5GHz on air!

[(cf)eclipse]

People are making far too many assumptions as I explaned to CCU.
about what exactly?


lapping solves all the problems, and you come out as the good guy in the end, who dind't RMA his cpu that clocks amazingly, just cause there's a slight flaw that's easily fixable. the route i would take, along with i'm sure a lot of other people, is quite obvious ;)

[Sentential]

Surfrat, I've been so busy with my own stuff, I didn't even realize that you got you proc running!! Congrats...that's looking like a nice proc so far. Watch those Vc settings when you start getting up there though. I see yours is doing the same big idle overvolt in the P5WD2 that mine did.

Lap that IHS and let's see a 5GHz on air!
Ross I didnt see much of an over-volt at all. That was the first thing that I looked for when we first set up the box.

My guess is that this is a CPUz error as BIOS says that it is being undervolted slightly from vcore set in bios.

As for his vcore there is no way, no how he is going to be able to use any more than effectively stock. His chip like mine, is too hot for much more than stock volts

[proth]

Lap it, Set it @ 300x4, 1.52v and send us a scrennie

OK 300 may be too high, try 299

[Sentential]

What Vcore was he running
I think the highest we used was 1.375?

[TechtonicPC]

lol, I had been watching tv with my son, and just came back and started reading this thread. You guys are funny.

Just for the record Sent and I only talked about an RMA, when during the first hour we could not get this thing to idol below 50c. It was extremely disheartening. Now after 9 count them, 9 HSF put ons and take offs, and a full tube of AS5, it is accepatable on the temps, but still not great considering the airflow in my case. Nonetheless, the performance of this chip is nothing short of amazing.

3 hours now of dual Prime and she is still purring along.

The 4.7 was the highest I had it. That was on stock vcore, when we finally got the temps under control. It was not stable at this obviously, but was enough to get into windows and load cpuz.

It is currently load temp of 68c after 3 hours of dual prime, and is not budging from there. Flickers to 67 everyone once in a while. Sent says these Asus board read high, but who knows.

Regardless, other then the IHS/heat issue, I am very very happy with this chip!

[DvBoard]

if intel can't even get the IHS flat then it makes me wonder how they can pull off such a great chip otherwise. looks like someone needs to wake up in the product control department.

great results so far though. looking forward to hearing what you end at.

[Ross]

Ross I didnt see much of an over-volt at all. That was the first thing that I looked for when we first set up the box.

My guess is that this is a CPUz error as BIOS says that it is being undervolted slightly from vcore set in bios.

As for his vcore there is no way, no how he is going to be able to use any more than effectively stock. His chip like mine, is too hot for much more than stock voltsAh, I thought the 1.37V on CPU-Z was when he was running 1.32V. IIRC, my BIOS 606 readings were real close to what CPU-Z was showing me (over volt, but more the usual .03-04V). Anyway, vdroop mod fixed all of the over/under volt for good :)

If he's getting those kinds of clocks with that kind of heat and that little Vc, I am with everyone else: keep it and make it work. These seem to be doing just awesome on air and water...phase really hasn't offered any insane clocks over water. I am used to like 600MHz-1GHz more over water on Prescotts, but the 65nms are more like 200-300MHz gains only, so if you're on water, you're not missing out on much if that makes you feel better ;)

One thing that really struck me on these is that the point where they are stable/not stable is a really fine line and very close to the the max OC. Case in point, I booted from BIOS to the desktop and benched SPi @ 5400, but 5490 gives an automatic reboot....that's how close working/not working is :)

[speed bump]

Hmm surfat if for some weird reason you get the urge to pull your HS again would you find out how it does with the stock cooler, becuse where you are having a problem is it is higher on the outer edges, I am guessing that it would work better with a rounded HS bottom than the XP-120 monster bottom.

Anyway nice results I decided I can wait maybe a month to pick up a CM not much longer so i'll see what my IHS looks like when it gets here then and if it looks bad i'll probably just lap it since I am going to be nice to this chip.

[Ross]

Oh please. You'll have that thing under dice within a week of getting it and you KNOW it :D

I was going to say earlier and got side tracked, that I wonder if Intel even gives horse's butt about the raised corners exactly because the stock HSF does not go over them? There would still be a depression in the middle, but the sink would not have such a gap. Intel put's enough TIM on their stock sinks to fill the gap we call the Grand Canyon anyway :)

I know the stock 955XE HSF has a larger copper core that probably covers the whole thing...I wonder if their IHS are as concave or if they pay special attention to those?

[TechtonicPC]

Well ran two instances of Prime95 for almost 14hours. No errors, so I am gonna go ahead and claim she is stable as a rock!

http://techtonicpc.com/images/primestable.JPG

[d94]

Well ran two instances of Prime95 for almost 14hours. No errors, so I am gonna go ahead and claim she is stable as a rock!

http://techtonicpc.com/images/primestable.JPG
:cool:

[CoreGamer]

Wow 14 Hours stable, that was on stock Vcore right? Well If you decide to Lap the HS be sure to post if it works or not ;)

[TechtonicPC]

Wow 14 Hours stable, that was on stock Vcore right? Well If you decide to Lap the HS be sure to post if it works or not ;)

1.325 vcore in bios, although cpu-z show 1.36.

[Ross]

Surf, that's nice! Now run a PCMark04!! Are you OCing more or staying there? Yeah, watch that idle overvolt...it could be deadly if you start getting into the 1.50Vc+ settings.

I hope you have a good one there and it's looking good so far...

[Sentential]

...it could be deadly if you start getting into the 1.50Vc+ settings.
I seriously doubt he will be using anything even close to 1.4v much less 1.5v with this chip

[Ross]

I know...I meant after he laps it :) Did you get your replacement yet?

[gixxer420]

I have to agree with Sen, I would also RMA it why lap it an really void the warrenty. Lot of cabbage for a messed IHS

[TechtonicPC]

I will be staying right where I am at now. It is 100% stable, and I am very happy with it. The heat/IHS issue is gonna keep me form bumping the vcore any more. I am very lucky this chip responded so well to the low well vcore, cause if I had to put 1.4 or higher it would have melted in the socket :)

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

Nice, are you going to keep the chip or fix the IHS issue? 4.7Ghz would be a nice little goal :).

[TechtonicPC]

Nice, are you going to keep the chip or fix the IHS issue? 4.7Ghz would be a nice little goal :).


The way this things is running now, I more then likely will be keeping it. I wish it was cooler, but if it continues to run 24/7 for another week or so, then I may bite the bullet and attempt to fix the IHS. The way I see it, this thing is at least 8c hotter then it should be. If I could knock those 8c off, 4.7 would be easy. Hell It loaded windows at 4.7 on default vcore.

On a side note, those two 120mm fans we added to the side of the case dropped my video card temp by 5c. Amazing! :)

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

BTW, take some pics of your modding! Sen told me it turned out perfect :). Also, if your going to fix it / keep it, I would recommend lapping it (Only if you arn't going to RMA it)

[g0dM@n]

I would lap it or rip off the IHS of a good clocking chip before RMAing it. :)

Nice clocks... what are your idle/load temps on stock volts and stock clocks? What are your idle/load and voltage on your main OC? Dunno if it was mentioned...

[TechtonicPC]

I would lap it or rip off the IHS of a good clocking chip before RMAing it. :)

Nice clocks... what are your idle/load temps on stock volts and stock clocks? What are your idle/load and voltage on your main OC? Dunno if it was mentioned...

Currently at 1.325 volts - Idol is 43c, Load from PcMark04 was 63c. Load from dual Prime Instances was 68c!

I don't know what load was at default settings, but Idol was 40c.

[g0dM@n]

Have you made a decision yet? :)

Also, what's stock voltage..

[TechtonicPC]

Have you made a decision yet? :)

Also, what's stock voltage..

Stock voltage is 1.300

havn't compeltely made up my mind, but if someone made me an offer on it I could not refuse, well you know, everything is for sale for the right price :)

[TechtonicPC]

BTW, take some pics of your modding! Sen told me it turned out perfect :). Also, if your going to fix it / keep it, I would recommend lapping it (Only if you arn't going to RMA it)


made a new post in cooling section now that I completed the door.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=4255026#post4255026

[TechtonicPC]

Well put hte 651 on the new water setup. Just getting started with it, but here are a couple screenshots.

275fsb @ 1.375 vcore. Did pcmark with ease.

http://techtonicpc.com/images/275fsb.JPG

[Ross]

Nice! Looks like 5GHz no problem ;)

[TechtonicPC]

Nice! Looks like 5GHz no problem ;)

Actually 4.9 seems to the best i can do with it! Anything over 290 fsb and it wont boot.

[pwnt by pat]

nice speed, is it stable?

[TechtonicPC]

Minor upgrade. Wanted to be over 4.7ghz so i bumped it to 277 fsb. Left vcore the same at 1.375. You can see the extreme difference at idol in my vcore on this board. CPU-Z read 1.43 at idol!

http://techtonicpc.com/images/277fsb.JPG

[Ross]

Actually 4.9 seems to the best i can do with it! Anything over 290 fsb and it wont boot4.9 was a "hump" for me too...how much Vc are you running for 4.9? Mine absolutely needed 1.55Vc to be stable enough to PCMark04 @ 5GHz. 1.525-1.535Vc it would start and not score. What are your load temps?

Yeah, that idle Vc stinks. I had to wait to redo my vdroop mod to set the Vc any higher because it overvolted so much at idle...would've been 1.60V easy set at 1.55.

[TechtonicPC]

4.9 was a "hump" for me too...how much Vc are you running for 4.9? Mine absolutely needed 1.55Vc to be stable enough to PCMark04 @ 5GHz. 1.525-1.535Vc it would start and not score. What are your load temps?

Yeah, that idle Vc stinks. I had to wait to redo my vdroop mod to set the Vc any higher because it overvolted so much at idle...would've been 1.60V easy set at 1.55.

yea I didnt even try to set it above 1.475 cause of the droop problem. So I guess that is the reason.

[dylskee]

Nice results surf. Can you see a big difference now that your on water? I am really considering a water cooling setup but funds are a little tight until i sell one of my cpu's. :) I'm also considering lapping my 661 since it's not selling. :eh?: My IHS isn't that bad but it can only get better after a lap job.

[TechtonicPC]

Nice results surf. Can you see a big difference now that your on water? I am really considering a water cooling setup but funds are a little tight until i sell one of my cpu's. :) I'm also considering lapping my 661 since it's not selling. :eh?: My IHS isn't that bad but it can only get better after a lap job.

Yea another 200mhz stable at lower temps. Will do up to 4.9 now, but my droop worries me so I dont run it there.

[josh478]

just wanted to say, i got 7302 with my 920 at 4.0ghz... why is this chip scoring lower then mine? i am STRONGLY considering picking up a cedar mill in addition to my 920, then selling the 920 if the cedar mill performs better. but if im scoring higher with a crappy video card, and not the best ram in the world? ill keep the DC.

[TechtonicPC]

just wanted to say, i got 7302 with my 920 at 4.0ghz... why is this chip scoring lower then mine? i am STRONGLY considering picking up a cedar mill in addition to my 920, then selling the 920 if the cedar mill performs better. but if im scoring higher with a crappy video card, and not the best ram in the world? ill keep the DC.

Because a dual core will always outscore single core processor in PCMark. My 920 clocked at 3.5ghz scores 7500 in pcmark04.

The advantage of a high clocked single core is in 3dmark and games.

[josh478]

Because a dual core will always outscore single core processor in PCMark. My 920 clocked at 3.5ghz scores 7500 in pcmark04.

The advantage of a high clocked single core is in 3dmark and games.

oohhhhh ok, well i dont play too many games, so do you think i should stay with the 920? i mainly do all of my work stuff on this computer, and need to use tons of programs at once.

at the same time, i love the CM for the clock speeds on stock vcore. i havent even maxed out my 920 yet, still have from 1.43v to 1.5v left to go. hopefully the water will make a big difference tomorrow.

[Ross]

Yeah, I 2nd that. My 930 did 9203 in PCMark04 @ 4.3GHz. Single core is great for SPi's though :)

[josh478]

how much would a new video card affect my scores, specs in sig. say a 6800GT?

[TechtonicPC]

how much would a new video card affect my scores, specs in sig. say a 6800GT?


It would not be drastic, maybe 100 - 200 points.

As for which you should stick with? If you are not gamer then the higher clock speeds shouldn't matter to you. You also don't need to waste your money on a 6800gt :)

[josh478]

It would not be drastic, maybe 100 - 200 points.

As for which you should stick with? If you are not gamer then the higher clock speeds shouldn't matter to you. You also don't need to waste your money on a 6800gt :)


yeah i know, but ive got a couple hundred to spend on something, and so far i can only come up with a fan controller and a couple fans that im going to have to custom fit... dare i say it... but am i done building on this computer *gasps*

plus, i like to have the highest scores when talking with others, it makes my e-penis bigger.

[TechtonicPC]

yeah i know, but ive got a couple hundred to spend on something, and so far i can only come up with a fan controller and a couple fans that im going to have to custom fit... dare i say it... but am i done building on this computer *gasps*

plus, i like to have the highest scores when talking with others, it makes my e-penis bigger.


FYI, girls will care much more if your bank account is larger then your e-pen!!

In all honesty, better faster HDD, more ram, water cooling. You also have one of the below average 920's like I did, you could always sell it and get a new one to up your scores. 7300 in pcmark with a 920 @ 4ghz is not too good. You need better ram, better hard drive. Maybe a nice raid 0 setup.

[josh478]

FYI, girls will care much more if your bank account is larger then your e-pen!!

In all honesty, better faster HDD, more ram, water cooling. You also have one of the below average 920's like I did, you could always sell it and get a new one to up your scores. 7300 in pcmark with a 920 @ 4ghz is not too good. You need better ram, better hard drive. Maybe a nice raid 0 setup.


haha, girls dont care about computer first off, and second my bank account is plenty big. i only alot a certain amount of 'fun money' and its usually if i sell something that im not using like my ipod, which paid for water and a car radiator i just sold for 150. i have the sata II hd, i mean im not gonna get a raptor or a chetah, i personally care more about having more storage then 2500/7500 more rpm spool up times. and yeah, i definately know my 920 is an underperformer, im actually borrowing a friends right now while hes testing out a cedar mill. im trying to rma this cpu, i dont care if i have to pay 15%.

as far as better ram goes, id rather not just because this is 2gb, and while its quick at stock speeds, its definately CHEAP... i mean i paid 139 for two gigs...