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10-31-01, 08:42 PM
GRRRRRRRRR!!! I'm out $409!!!!! here is what happened. when i got home from school yesterday i picked up some artic silver (well not realy artic silver, the silver tube from the repair kit) anyways i get this home and take my radeon 8500 out of my machien(first mistake) lay it on my sergical table and use the silver and superglue to put the ram sinks on(second mistake SILVER!!) then i mairily go back to my machien and plug it back in(third mistake). I turn on my machien and see a BIG white square with blue lines running down!! @#&*! ! ! ! ! *Edited by SpeeDj for Swearing - Keep it clean Please! I tear the power cord out the back and unscrew the card. Running and tripping over everything i take it back to my sergical table, snap the ram sinks off and what do i see? BLOODY SILVER PAST HAS TUCHED THE CIRCUITS ON THE RAM!! i do a frantic clean and plug it back in, ... i see the bios this time! Thinking i'm out of the woods, i soon realize that i'm coming up to the forest!! windows load screen hits and HUGE lines running down the screen! @#&*! ! ! ! ! *Edited by SpeeDj for Swearing - Keep it clean Please! rigp the card out again and go back to cleaning. After spending 5 hours cleaning the circuits, i try plugging it back in. hits the bios, fine, hits the win load screen, fine. When it hits the desktop it's still fine, but little do i know more trubble was to come. Feeling all pleased with myself, I launch Quake3 and set up a game with 16 players on dm12. It loads the load screen, shows the players loading, hits the game and BOOM!! Artifacts GALORE!!! At this point i realy couldn't give a @#&**Edited by SpeeDj for Swearing - Keep it clean Please!. Tear out the radeon 8500 and put my G2GTS back in *SIGH*. Tough @#&**Edited by SpeeDj for Swearing - Keep it clean Please! i thought, but then i had a thought. I still have all the parts and all of the packaging!:D The card still looks brand new on the outside, so do you think ati would RMA it? Worth a try i thought! So i've sent it back to ATi to see if they will repair it for me;) I know this is wrong, but trust me! you would do the same thing if you were on a budget and blew a brad new $400 card! And the truth is that it realy isn't totaly fried, It just shows a realy large amount of artifacts now. So i figure that it's just some silver i missed, but myabe ATi wont find that and just replace the ram on my card. Here's hoping:D
I need your good will here cause i still havn't payed this card off yet!!
**Post Edited by SpeeDj for Swearing content - Please clean it up - Check here (http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43325) if you need more info, Thanks!**
If you have any ?'s Regarding this drop me a line.
$409?? I thought they are only $194.
Sorry to hear you messed it up :(
It_The_Cow
10-31-01, 08:50 PM
$409 CDN? I'd definitely try to RMA it.
Default
10-31-01, 08:51 PM
hehe, WORD:D :cool:
Default
10-31-01, 08:57 PM
one more thing, I've learned my lesson!!!! I have already ordered 8 sinks and a blue orb from bigfoot. and this time i'll use frag tape (3M themal tape):D this guy don't make the same mistake twice!
Da Whip
10-31-01, 09:03 PM
Default,
1. ATI did not cause the card to fry, you did.
2. The reason you paid $409CND, was other mullets RMA'ed cards they themselves toasted.
3. Try using the spell checker, your spelling is atrocious.
4. I know you are miffed about the card, but clean up the language.
It_The_Cow,
Since when do seniors in this forum encourage others to be unscrupulous?
Wow and people were making fun of me for screwing up MY video card, this takes the cake. lol j/k j/k We all make mistakes man... its ok... did you try to clean it by spraying it with windex and then letting it soak in water?
Default
10-31-01, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Da Whip
Default,
1. ATI did not cause the card to fry, you did.
2. The reason you paid $409CND, was other mullets RMA'ed cards they themselves toasted.
3. Try using the spell checker, your spelling is atrocious.
4. I know you are miffed about the card, but clean up the language.
It_The_Cow,
Since when do seniors in this forum encourage others to be unscrupulous?
yes, I realize that, but would your really just sit a twiddle your thumbs when you have no job and still need to pay off the card! not RMA ing here is not an option! This is where RMA servers the good people that desperatly need money!! I've been living off crackers and apples for weeks!!! not a healthy person here!! In short i'm not rich and cannot aford to replace anything in my system. I'm sure ATi can spare the $30 in ram for a poor person in need:(
Ritteri&Bubbles
10-31-01, 09:22 PM
Do you know what FRAUD is? Do you know what you are doing regardless of your own mistake? Do you know who pays for this in the end?:mad: Not cool.
Da Whip
10-31-01, 09:28 PM
Lick your wounds, learn from your error, plug in your GTS card and get over it. You still have a good card w/ which to operate your system with, so life is not that bad.
Default
10-31-01, 09:32 PM
OOO i raise your price of the card 0.0001 cents for you!! I really couldn't give a crap! Ati has bigger pockets than me and as such will learn a bit more about thier card by repairing it:D maybe my incident will make them put 3.5 NS ram on instead of 3.6 NS if they think it's thier fault. ever think of that? then we would all benifit. and if it realy bugs you that much i will personaly send ATi the rapir cost money. that way you won't be charged that extra o.oo1 cents(even that is too much cause if they sell 1 billion cards thats a million extra and i don't think repairs cost that much)
Default
10-31-01, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Da Whip
Lick your wounds, learn from your error, plug in your GTS card and get over it. You still have a good card w/ which to operate your system with, so life is not that bad.
the card is not completly screwed! if they don't repair it i'll pay them to.
]-[itman
10-31-01, 09:36 PM
Oh man that sucks. Sorry bout the loss. Is there a trend going on that i'm not aware of? This is the 3rd thread in the last 3 days from 3 different ppl that did the same thing(only one was worse).
funnyperson1
11-01-01, 12:18 AM
actually they were calling the other guy an idiot for dipping his card in windex and water, but i think that was a good idea, because as long as it wasnt running there was no damage.......might wanna try flooding the ram with acetone first.....might help.......
Über~PhLuBB
11-01-01, 04:00 AM
Well, I guess that's what you get for not doing research on how to mod a vidcard. :rolleyes:
You can't slother stuff, ASII is made to go on in a micro-thin layer. You don't put a gigantic blob on, just a tiny smidgen, then smear it.
I got some ASII on my RAM chip's contacts too, because my hand slipped. Some simple Isopropyl alcohol on a Q-Tip worked perfect for me.
Microsoft
11-01-01, 06:24 AM
just box it up and return it, or get a new one and return the old one and get refunded
I'm not going to tell you it's fraud to return it.
I will say these companies make financial determinations in price, like Da Whip has already said, in anticipation of these types of returns. So, it's not really hurting them because they're already expecting you to return it.
Is it moral? Probably not, but who am I to judge :p.
I understand how frustrated you must feel, but as a senior overclockers.com member, I must warn you not to use profanity in your posts, especially in the topic title.
krakerman
11-01-01, 10:15 AM
i dotn see why you are doin an rma. like the others said, suck it up. dont make somebody else pay for you mistake because you dont have common sense. research how to do a mod (even the simple addng heatsink kind) and that way you wont mess it up. if you had read up or had a clue what you were doing this wouldnt have happened, instead you would have put a tiny amount of as on there and it would have been ok. i dont like having to pay more for my stuff because of dishonest people like you (and you may say its cuz youre so poor, but you have a gts laying around you didnt even need an 8500) one person doesnt make a difference, but added together they make tons of difference in price. also, just cuz you are poor doesnt mean others are, and the jacked up price then affects them.
Originally posted by Default
I need your good will here cause i still havn't payed this card off yet!!
This is where RMA servers the good people that desperatly need money!! I've been living off crackers and apples for weeks!!! not a healthy person here!! In short i'm not rich and cannot aford to replace anything in my system. I'm sure ATi can spare the $30 in ram for a poor person in need:( Hmmm....
You went into debt $400+ (CDN) on toys and yet you don't have food in the house? This sounds like a case of misplaced priorities to me.
If I were a wagering man, I'd bet that you live by yourself. I know my wife would shoot me dead on the spot if I spent money I didn't have on toys and couldn't therefore put food on the table.
BTW--While I hope you get all this straightened out (and learn valuable lessons) it is NOT ATI's job to "serve(rs)[sic] the good people that desperatly[sic] need money."
Wicked Klown
11-01-01, 11:09 AM
man what are you like 12 get over it and move on and stop tring to screw someone just to get what you want. I myslef have broken two AOpen MoBo and I'm goin to pay the $100 to have them fixed cause I'm the one who broke it not them.
mbigna where in Wisconsin are you from?
TRANCER24
11-01-01, 11:22 AM
Just send that junky card back and say it was defective or incompatible with your system that your getting lines in it and that you tried everything for days that it could be caused by over heating that you don't want that card anymore because they should have put ram sinks on it in the first place for the amount of money you paid . and then tell them that you will never buy there product again because there driver support is cruddy and that you are now a supporter of Nvidia :) and also tell them that your gonna report them to the better busness burea. and that you want your full refund. Then after getting your refund get a brand new nice Nvidia card :)
cowanrg
11-01-01, 11:28 AM
the big thing here, you were responsible for messing it up. sounds to me like you didnt take your time and do the mod right. had you dont it right, you wouldn't have messed it up.
it's your fault. there are a few things about hobbies that you should take into consideration:
never do something without assuming full responsibility for any bad outcome (dont overclock if you cant afford to replace, dont go off-roading if you cant afford to fix a driveshaft (hehe, personal experience).
prioritize! if you cant afford food, then dont buy toys. if you really dont care about eating, and you would rather have toys, its ok, just dont b1tch about it. we dont need to hear it. it is YOUR fault that you cant afford food, by your choice.
btw, the people at ATI have JOBS, they WORK. that is why they have bigger pockets than you. if you dont have money, get your lazy a** out there and make some money instead of dragging down society.
Too bad for you and your wallet.
I had an accident too where I burnt up some things CPU, mobo, graphicscard and sound card due to a waterleak it set meback 6-700$ But I didn't return them I told the dealer about MY mistake and bought new stuff.
RangerJoe34
11-01-01, 12:36 PM
i say send it back to ati and try to get a new one...but if they find left over ASII on there they are not gonna be happy, because they dont use that on cards, this will get you in BIG TROUBLE......and you dont want that because you already seem to have money problems as it is......if they dont fix it dont bitch about it because i am using a voodoo 3 3500 and you have ANOTHER good card (the gts)......so if it doesnt work out, you still have a fall back card, if i break my card, then i have to use an ati rage 8 mb card till i have enough money to but a geforce 3(which i should get this/next month) soo i just say return it, but if you get screwed because you left ASII on it, then you are **** out of luck
Bmxpunk86pl
11-01-01, 01:47 PM
just return it, but Ranger said, be careful
Default
11-01-01, 02:04 PM
the only thing that they could possibly spot on the card was a little spot of silver left under 1 pin on the front top ram chip. but they'll be hard pressed to find that considering that it's the same colour as the solder. Thats the sweet par of the stuff i used, cause it looks just like solder! (not same consistancy)
You broke it so suck it up. Nobody forced you to buy the card & be in debt so stop complaining about it.
Creacher
11-01-01, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by cowanrg
the big thing here, you were responsible for messing it up. sounds to me like you didnt take your time and do the mod right. had you dont it right, you wouldn't have messed it up.
it's your fault. there are a few things about hobbies that you should take into consideration:
never do something without assuming full responsibility for any bad outcome (dont overclock if you cant afford to replace, dont go off-roading if you cant afford to fix a driveshaft (hehe, personal experience).
prioritize! if you cant afford food, then dont buy toys. if you really dont care about eating, and you would rather have toys, its ok, just dont b1tch about it. we dont need to hear it. it is YOUR fault that you cant afford food, by your choice.
btw, the people at ATI have JOBS, they WORK. that is why they have bigger pockets than you. if you dont have money, get your lazy a** out there and make some money instead of dragging down society.
*claps*
well said
I feel for you, man. $410 CDN is an awful lot of money to spend on something that you go and fu*k up by accident.
don't let all of the people here tell you what is morally right and morally wrong. Its not their right.
"May he who is without sin cast the first stone." Thats in the bible somewhere, it basically means that nobody has the right to judge you for what you did, or what you want to do. Don't be sucked into a moral debate over your videocard. Its a videocard (a very nice videocard, actually ^_^). And you're right, ATI does have deep pockets. They won't miss it. They'll probably just send you a new one and try to repair the old one, repair it, white box it and sell it again anyways. No biggie to them.
But next time, be more careful when doing your mod. If you want to use paste, use genuine ASII, which has very little to no conductivity, or use 3M Thermal Tape. Not as good as something like ASII, but it'll get the job done and won't conduct anything.
Okay...
I think I killed my other card by putting some ASII outside of the chip and I cleaned everything up and got another one because the waranty was still valid..
You might wanna clean all that up and try to RMA it ...
For 400 Dollars Canadian.. Thats a big loss.
Default
11-01-01, 05:42 PM
it helpsthat the guy i bought it from is my friend and a fairly big player in at Supercom. he said if ATi doesn't RMA the card that he'll beat them over the head with it:p
Zuck Gou :)
11-01-01, 05:52 PM
Morally right or wrong, $400 is too much to just lose even if it is your fault.
I know if I was in his place I'd try for an RMA. I just don't have the money to blow.
**but then again, I couldnt afford to purchase it**
WyrmMaster
11-01-01, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Oni
I feel for you, man. $410 CDN is an awful lot of money to spend on something that you go and fu*k up by accident.
don't let all of the people here tell you what is morally right and morally wrong. Its not their right.
"May he who is without sin cast the first stone." Thats in the bible somewhere, it basically means that nobody has the right to judge you for what you did, or what you want to do. Don't be sucked into a moral debate over your videocard. Its a videocard (a very nice videocard, actually ^_^). And you're right, ATI does have deep pockets. They won't miss it. They'll probably just send you a new one and try to repair the old one, repair it, white box it and sell it again anyways. No biggie to them.
But next time, be more careful when doing your mod. If you want to use paste, use genuine ASII, which has very little to no conductivity, or use 3M Thermal Tape. Not as good as something like ASII, but it'll get the job done and won't conduct anything.
What makes you think we do not have the right to judge him? If you break into a gas station, rob them, and get caught, does the judge in court not have the right to judge you?? Cause thats what your doing, stealing from ATI:mad:
Default
11-01-01, 06:01 PM
i wouldn't realy call myself the good guy here:p when i was 8 i stole lighters from home hardware and set my plastic cars on fire:D (P.S. ease up people ! i'm only 16 i'm still learning!)
Creacher
11-01-01, 06:05 PM
theft is bad, don't steal :(
whether it be from ATI or a lighter.. its bad
Bmxpunk86pl
11-01-01, 06:09 PM
damn can we just stop agruing and let the dude breath, its not like we never screwed up or anything
Originally posted by Bmxpunk86pl
damn can we just stop agruing and let the dude breath, its not like we never screwed up or anything
But don't you understand, he's still young enough to make perfect :p.
RedDeathDrinker
11-01-01, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Bmxpunk86pl
damn can we just stop agruing and let the dude breath, its not like we never screwed up or anything
We've all screwed up.
But we don't swear in the forum (Re title of this thread), and when we RMA stuff we might "accidentally" damage in pursuit of overclocking, we quietly do it, not boast about how we are going to rip the company off.................
funnyperson1
11-01-01, 08:54 PM
hmmm.....thats a tough decision......however i just thought of this, according to him pretty much all ATI would have to do is replace the ram chip....thats it.....thatll cost them like 5 dollars compared to the 200+ dollars he would lose......not saying its right, becuase after all it was his fault, but the good thing is that everyone can learn from his mistake and be careful with that artic silver II epoxy....
Shadow ÒÓ
11-01-01, 08:55 PM
Lemme figure something out here........you have to eat crackers and apples because you can't afford food, but you purchased a $400 vid card?
Then, instead of putting the card in your computer and firing it up the way the warranty allowed you to, you instead put too much compound on the thing.........shorted it out, and expect us to pay for it?
Yes US. As in WE........every one of us who purchases them, have to pay an additional fee because of theifs like you. Yes thief. You're taking what doesn't belong to you. (if you are sucessful, if you aren't, it's still attempted theft and a felony)
I swear I had contacts in the company.......I'd make sure to let them know.
For anyone who thinks it's ok, you're considered an accomplice. Put it in a bit more perspective?
Shadow ÒÓ
It_The_Cow
11-01-01, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Da Whip
It_The_Cow,
Since when do seniors in this forum encourage others to be unscrupulous? I was just kidding. Perhaps it wasn't the funniest thing to say
Kingslayer
11-01-01, 09:04 PM
I don't totally agree Shadow.
Especially the warranty part. How many people here have fried a CPU while overclocking it, and sent it back for RMA? Quiet a few. Yes, he voided the warranty.....Overclockers.com...that kinda reeks of voiding warranties if you ask me.
I would send it in too. If the damage wasn't noticeable. But I would imagine it is. If Abit can notice a tiny resistor broken, then ATI will surely notice Silver goop all over the memory. No matter how good you clean it. And if you cleaned it to the point it wasnt noticeable, then the card will probably work.
And we're not going to pay for it. ATI is on a price binge with the economy and the GForce, they aren't going to raise the price of their cards because someone turned in a RMA, even if it was the users fault.
I'm not saying what right and whats wrong. He's a big boy, he can figure it out. But I think the RMA guys are going to notice any damage done.
Shadow ÒÓ
11-01-01, 09:12 PM
Yes, he voided the warranty.....Overclockers.com...that kinda reeks of voiding warranties if you ask me.
if you bought a pair of skis and broke your leg, you wouldn't sue the ski company would you?
Same goes with OC.com.......it's a hobbie. Can be a dangerous one, but a hobbie none the less. It's for the advanced user....and the advanced user has an advanced chance of making a mistake which could cost him/her money.
If we simply played with our toys the way they were designed to be played with, RMA wouldn't be a question.
Don't throw us all in a big pot so fast.....I blew the fan header out of a nice mobo once, it hit the bottom of the trash can with a thud. Never considered RMA'ing it as it was MY fault. Honesty is honestly.....no matter what you try to read in to it.
ATI or NVidia's price on the rise? Don't buy them......when the drop prices trying to get people to buy, then all of us will make out, and there won't be quiet as many fat rich guys at the top of the company.
Da Whip
11-01-01, 09:42 PM
Oni,
You quote the Bible, then tell this neophyte it is okay to cheat. What is the issue here? Is it morally correct to CHEAT the company because they have more money than you. Or is it okay, because he is a poor Canadian student ( hopefully not a philosophy major ) who milks MAMA for all his toys.
Default,
You picked the correct user ID. You are probably here by default.
This is just my 0.02
When He RMA's it ATI will either repair or totaly replace the card.
What ATI does is this, and this is what I was sent in an email from ATI, they have excellent support. They will overlook the card for damage and determine price of repair or replace. Its better if they can repair the card as ist cheaper for them, more if it has to be replaced. So it depends one the products status in the market and its price. I emailed ATI with the fact that when I took my heatsink off that >I< damaged the card, and that I was taking it off because it was hot and was going to replace it because I was told that the Radeon chips run cool. I told them that directly over the phone. The guy said to send it in, he also said to call them first if I had any problems with my card before trying to fix it myself...1 1/2 weeks later I get the card back (1 day shipping!) and I get a paper telling me if the card had been replaced or repaired. Mine was replaced and gave me the old serial number as well as the new one.
Personaly I think they have great tech service(not because they accepted the RMA) and I bluntly told them what I had done. And they still let me RMA it.
Now the new card sits peacefully with a fan on the stock heatsink which was suggested by one of thier tech guyz. But they said I could not RMA it again if I screwed up again. (guess they keep a record.) Their service to me is also why I fully respect them and thier cards. (Good or bad performance wise)
Now for another personal opinion. YOU absolutly CANNOT tell me they have bad tech service!!
BTW they also said that the store I got it from was sopposed to take teh card back. Next thing I know they removed all of the ATI cards from the store.Except teh new 7500 and 8500 are there but the removed the other cards WAY back before they had a release date...so I dont think they were making room for them plus not many people know enough about computers to buy stuff for them (Seriously!). The clerk asked me when I got my card iff I had an AGP slot, I told him I know I have one because my motherboard doesnt sit in a case. I ended up explaining to him what a case was and then he jsut looked shocked at me.
I g2g before I write a book.Laterz.
Thelemac
11-01-01, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Shadow ÒÓ
if you bought a pair of skis and broke your leg, you wouldn't sue the ski company would you?
Well, considering the McDonald's lawsuit and the like, I would say that there is a decent chance that yes, in fact, there is somebody that *would* sue the ski company. And the hill. And the person that they paid to wax and sharpen them. That doesn't make it right, but that's what we expect in the land of the non-responsible. Granted, ATI is based in Canada, but that's the mindset of a lot of Americans.
Same goes with OC.com.......it's a hobbie. Can be a dangerous one, but a hobbie none the less. It's for the advanced user....and the advanced user has an advanced chance of making a mistake which could cost him/her money.
If we simply played with our toys the way they were designed to be played with, RMA wouldn't be a question.
Don't throw us all in a big pot so fast.....I blew the fan header out of a nice mobo once, it hit the bottom of the trash can with a thud. Never considered RMA'ing it as it was MY fault. Honesty is honestly.....no matter what you try to read in to it.
I'm in the same boat on this one. One killed chip (which I later broke trying to make into a keychain *groan*) and one kill stick of RAM so far down the drain. Thought I lost most of a system, too. What did I do? Buy new stuff to replace it. Could I afford it? Well, yeah, since I bought new stuff. If I did that right now, though, I certainly wouldn't replace it, as I don't have the money to. (Stupid college student not getting a job...(that's me, by the way)) I'd suck it up cause it's MY fault. *I* am responsible for MY mistakes. Nobody else. I absolutely cannot abide the utter lack of responsibility that we (Americans, I really can't speak for everybody on this one) think that we DESERVE. We don't deserve to be able to have some large corporation fund our experiments without the giving us approval. The reason that RMA is even an option is because companies have to take responsibility if they don't make your product, which you spent good money on, after all, properly. They do have to take into account how much product they're going to have returned to them, because mistakes happen. They should only have to pay for thiers, though.
ATI or NVidia's price on the rise? Don't buy them......when the drop prices trying to get people to buy, then all of us will make out, and there won't be quiet as many fat rich guys at the top of the company.
]-[itman
11-01-01, 10:10 PM
Well Thelemac you said it better than I could. You also said everything I wanted to say.(I wish some company would give me funding to "experiment" with their product)
funnyperson1
11-01-01, 10:30 PM
i think default should do what Angry did and try to RMA while stating that he did try to attempt to upgrade the cooling and the card didnt work....it worked out for Angry and even if it doesnt wrk for default at least hell have a clear conscious
Shadow ÒÓ
11-01-01, 10:43 PM
oh....the mobo I friend the header on showed NO sign of damage.....probably could've easily RMA'd it.
Once walked across a room (carpeted) and handed a stick of 128 meg PC 100 to a friend.......slight static discharge and no more memory. Again no visiable damage. (and 128 sticks were well over $100 back then!)
Memory doesn't make good key chains tho........too long. =)
Dunga Bee
11-01-01, 10:55 PM
<Soap Box>
Anytime you see a person giving a multitude of reasons why it is OK to do something that seems a little shady, it's because they know it is wrong and they are building up an argument in their mind to justify the wrongdoing. I'm no mind reader, but that's MY OPINION.
I think I have seen this, oh.., a million times in my life. That's the same attitude of a person that would open their door in to your car and then leave the parking lot, probably telling themselves it was your fault for parking too close to them.
Bottom line is you should not 'experiment' with something that might prove fatal to the equipment if you are not prepared to destroy / replace the equipment.
Now, if you call ATI and tell them you were modding the card to make it cooler and they still will replace it, great for you. But to clean it and send it back is like wiping the prints off the gun and throwing it in the trash (well, not that extreme, but you get the idea). IT IS WRONG !
It's all about morality and honesty. And age is NO excuse. If it is OK to lie and steal today at 16, what is it OK for a person to do at 20 or 30 and so on. Where does the justification end ? I'm not saying anyone is going to grow up to be an axe murderer, but I am saying that the person you are today is the foundation for who you become tomorrow.
I agree with those who have said this is a problem in society today in general, this feeling of entitlement that someone 'owes' you something. If the guy next door has more than you, you figure it's because someone is holding you back or he has somehow gotten lucky and you have been cheated. OR, perhaps he just works harder ? If people would use the time they spend complaining to do something constructive they might change their place in life and get closer to their goals instead of whining about how they have been screwed.
You know the people that own ATI and make my salary x 1000, well that is their money and they are entitled to it. Say what you like about people like Bill Gates, etc. but it is no more OK to take their money than it is to take a poor man's money. After all, it is theirs and not YOURS.
I suppose with the logic that ATI can afford the loss means that every person that has less money than me is entitled to some of my money. Well, get them lined up at my door and I'll be right with them as soon as I get back from Mr. Gates house.
Grow up and be a man today and it'll go a long way later in life.
</Soap Box>
Da Whip
11-01-01, 11:00 PM
So it is okay to scam a company because they have money.
Where are the MODERATORS? Where is the Senior support for being an Honest, straight forward and conscionable forum?
Is this not the home of one, if not the most respected forums around?
Because a few mullets decided to go way over their limited ability, does that mean the rest of us are tarred with the same brush?
I hear lots of talk about warez, whats the diff?
Maximus Nickus
11-02-01, 03:56 PM
Oni's right, sure its our fault if we muck it up but ATi aren't even going to notice a diffrence, those people use 50$ banknotes 4 toiletpaper!
Anyway are any of you so mad that you wouldn't try to get your money back?
If you don't try your ****** mad its like finding 50$ on the floor, you KEEP it don't you?
So what i'm saying is if you break it then just try 400$ is a lot to us,(it took me nearly two years to save up for my PC, now i'm getting a job so hopefully it won't take for ever to get a geforce3) but not to them, and think to yourselves if the company was microsoft then I bet you'd return it.
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11-02-01, 05:14 PM
i agree totaly with ALL of you BUT!!! My basis on return was not only because i'm a ceating ******* Canadian:D I was ohnestly ****ed because the product was not completly finished. The drivers were buggy at best and the visual in Quake3 sucked! These are all instances where the company screws us, the consumer. But ATi is not the only one screwing us over, nvidia, intell, microsoft , amd, abit,asus, logitech, antec,canon,SMC,every big company does it!! I don't care how much you praise certian companies the fact is at one point they have all screwed atleast one of us :mad: when they screw up like this they expect us to forgive them because they have money and status. I say we give them a tast of thier own medicine. i think Eminem put it best when he said :" This is for every time you stole my siggy in the lunch room and drank my chocolate milk, every time you tiped my tray and it dropped and spilt! i'm gettin' ya back bully now, once and for good"
this is more of a rebelian against companies in general than just an outlash at ATI. But i have my right to send a strong angry statment like this to them. we all have the right because it is our choice. I say RMA all the crap that brakes on you! You are the inocent being taken advantage of.
chillipants
11-02-01, 05:34 PM
Hmm how do i put this nice and conciecly, RMA,RMA,RMA, th MF,king card, sure you tellin porkys but let he who is with out sin cast the first stone, ehh dudes, but rem it aint a nice feeling, its better to earn wot ya got. Look at the choices you have ? 1) RMA the card and hope ya get a new one (LIE).2) RMA with the truth, may cost ya a few bucks, plead poverty, Im only twelve and its my dads comp. 3) take it to your friend and see what he can do with ati on the RMA front.
If I was you dude Id clean it up and RMA it, an hope for the best and Id tell all these self rightious bros here .............. NO I bought a new one. option 2 can also work V\well here :) btw nice card an nice clock, but take it slow nxt time (as there will be ) and err go easy on the AS\II :) hmm, just read your last post, dont blame the M\ F for your fuk ups, till noew you was tellin all what a great card this was!!! what changed your mind then ?
chillipants
11-02-01, 05:36 PM
:) thats my 2 bits worth
Originally posted by chillipants
:) thats my 2 bits worth
Worth every cent too.
I couldn't cast a stone, it would probably go into orbit and come crashing down at me 10 years later during the best years of my life :D.
Oh, that was a Karma reference for the metaphorically impaired viewer ;).
And I wondered why I pay soooooooo much for a video card!!! (sarcastic)
They won't just replace the ram. They would give you a new card if they were going to RMA it.
It would not be COST effective for them to pay a tech to to remanufacture the card.
Rob
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11-03-01, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by chillipants
Hmm how do i put this nice and conciecly, RMA,RMA,RMA, th MF,king card, sure you tellin porkys but let he who is with out sin cast the first stone, ehh dudes, but rem it aint a nice feeling, its better to earn wot ya got. Look at the choices you have ? 1) RMA the card and hope ya get a new one (LIE).2) RMA with the truth, may cost ya a few bucks, plead poverty, Im only twelve and its my dads comp. 3) take it to your friend and see what he can do with ati on the RMA front.
If I was you dude Id clean it up and RMA it, an hope for the best and Id tell all these self rightious bros here .............. NO I bought a new one. option 2 can also work V\well here :) btw nice card an nice clock, but take it slow nxt time (as there will be ) and err go easy on the AS\II :) hmm, just read your last post, dont blame the M\ F for your fuk ups, till noew you was tellin all what a great card this was!!! what changed your mind then ?
i was just voicing the truth about the card;) i still think it is a great card or else i would be trying to get my money back not RMA.
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