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Just found a site today that's called Transgaming, they make what they call WineX which is wine with some DirectX support mixed in. You should check it out and see what they have to offer. I haven't really delved in too much but there success with quite a few games gives me hope that all is not lost as of yet.
J
http://www.transgaming.com/ That is the site
Thanks! I have checked it out and will probably download it when I get SuSE 7.3
PAY!
But, this is for Linux, PAY?
Only the source is free. Hmmm, it like M$ backwards ;-)
They want you to pay because it is a company that is working on adding DirectX support to Wine. The employees have to eat somehow, you know.
I don't see what the big deal is for paying for stuff in Linux. As long as its something worthy, of course.
Thats why companies like Loki (http://www.lokigames.com) get screwed, because alot of people refuse to pay. Nevermind that if they go under, you will get alot less commercial games ported natively to Linux.
From what I understand, TransGaming has you pay for voting privileges. The more you pay, the more weight your vote has when you vote for which games you want them to make Wine compliant for next.
Personally, I'd much rather have native ports. Thats why I actually _buy_ games from Loki.
chaim79
11-02-01, 10:18 PM
LOKI is one company I would love to support... unfortunately going through college (even a tech college) is hard on the wallet. When I get out and start making some money I will be glad to support them, and get a few good games as well :D
Its not so much I can't pay because I dont have the £££, but because I don't have the means. I am <18 yrs old = no credit card.
nerd4life
11-03-01, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by penguinfreak
PAY!
But, this is for Linux, PAY?
Only the source is free. Hmmm, it like M$ backwards ;-)
can't you download the source code and then compile it for use????
Yes, you can.
But, apparently, WineX is a bit more broken for somethings than normal Wine. They are supposed to merge them back together soon.
Normal Wine is good enough for me to play Half-wife: Counter****, so thats good enough for me.
nerd4life
11-03-01, 09:56 PM
what do you mean by broken??
of course it wont be as stable as wine since it is so new
Everyone I know who has tried it out says that it can't even run InstallShield, which practically every game uses.
I have a copy of it on my laptop, but I didn't try to install anything, just tried to play Serious Sam. It failed at that, just like the normal Wine tree.
When I went to Linuxworld in San Francisco this year, Transgaming had a system with 1 guy manning it in the corner of Mandrake's booth. They showed Diablo2 and American McGee's Alice running, using DirectX and all, without a hitch.
This was before the join announcement between them. Now that I look back on it, it makes sense for them to have been in the Mandrake booth.
tbirdkiri
11-08-01, 01:41 AM
well i was there too and i thought it was kewl but i'm kinda skeptical of the win emu krap,
i tried a few things in wine and it didnt work so....
btw: is that jims mom?
Depending on who you ask, its not really emulation. I don't think it is.
As long as its done right, it all works fine, even though a native port is still far more desirable.
I play Halflife without any trouble in Linux at 1024x768, and my fps is pretty much pegged at 70 most of the time. Using Wine.
tbirdkiri
11-08-01, 03:44 PM
hmm this is weird
I can't get wine to do anything. Mind u I aint trying hard.
I can get it to play Halflife.
mind you, I ain't trying hard.
asmodean
11-23-01, 01:50 AM
Wine stands for "Wine is not emulator"... It won't run on anything but the x86 architechture.
Well, some people like to say "Wine is emulating the Win32 api". Others, like me, think that "Wine is implementing the Win32 api".
tbirdkiri
11-23-01, 02:36 PM
that sounds about right.....
an emulator would have a nice desktop of the emulated os.
Thats not quite right... Wine would be emulating or implementing the Api, not the OS.
tbirdkiri
11-24-01, 03:59 PM
i think of emulation as the whole package, like VMware.
where as wine implements some key features in another os
Technically, vmware is a virtualizer. It virtualizes a computer, and you install some x86 OS inside of that.
Wine is just an implementation of an api, like an opengl or glide implementation. Just like how Microsoft ships a win32 implementation with windows nt, along with crude os/2 and posix api implementations.
tbirdkiri
11-27-01, 08:29 PM
Could not load graphics driver 'x11drv'
Could not load graphics driver 'x11drv'
I can get Folding At Home (windoze) to work under linux, but it isn't stable.
Thats dumb. Why not just use the Linux-native binary?
can't get linux on the net.
You can't get Linux on the net? So all this time, you've been posting from Windows?
Well it's official saw my first Mandrake 8.1 Gaming Edition box in a comp usa store. 69.99 for the whole shebang, that includes manuals for all of newbies to Linux. Just a thought for those guys that want to start making the switch to linux.
J
BZMeRLiN
02-24-02, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by XWRed1
They want you to pay because it is a company that is working on adding DirectX support to Wine. The employees have to eat somehow, you know.
Exactly right - and exactly what I've said all along is going to be Linux's failing. No one will dedicate significant resources to it when no profits can be made doing so. There's a high-water mark in terms of both quality and quantity of software that can be made for free.
As for this DirectX porting idea - sounds interesting. now who will actually port the 32-bit Windows games *themselves* that will make this worth doing? DirectX by itself won't run any games as I'm sure everyone here already knows so this thing is useless unless someone can port the games to use it.
I'd rather have people port the games to Linux than just tell me to use a Win32 pseudo-emulator.
Unfortunately, the biggest porting house for Linux games just went out of business last month, because not enough units sold. They did get a deluge of requests for free binaries from a bunch of wankers who bought the Windows port and felt they were entitled to a free Linux port.
In the end, it becomes a viscious circle, and for it to be broken, someone has to look beyond the immediate here and now.
Anyways, it seems like you don't quite know what WineX is. Its a project to add full DirectX support to Wine, which would allow one to play DirectX Windows games straight off the shelf, nothing else added to the mix besides Wine.
I find this solution very unattractive, and I hope its a temporary bridge to bringe more gamers to Linux, at most.
Originally posted by XWRed1
You can't get Linux on the net? So all this time, you've been posting from Windows?
Yep :(
foshdawg
04-02-02, 04:45 PM
if people aren't going to dump large amounts of resources into Linux, just what do you call Mandrake and Redhat or even Caldera before they sold their linux distro and moved onto making OpenVM (or OpenUNIX i forget which)? hell, what about AIX and IBM's very prevalent usage of Linux on many of their servers? that's people dumping insane amounts of money, time and resources into Linux. since you can buy almost every major distrobution of Linux, i think that's people putting resources into it.
and paying for something for Linux isn't really MS backwards, the GNU license only states that the kernel is free, not anything else ;).
Only the source is free! That's all you need! You RedHat users and ur "rpm"s. Get used to d/ling the source, its so much better, its quick, and you can easily change things you don't like.
dozier768
04-23-02, 07:12 PM
heh, well this redhat user prefers source, rpms just dont seem to fly right lol. and its just that much more satisfying knowing it was done on your machine, not to mention how much better it runs when you compile your own kernel. and Wine is really a windoze API functionality layer for *nix. and its a win32 compatable api toatally rewriten and not windows at all. wine runs cs great.....it it would only run dreamweaver id be a happy camper, but i could live with Kafka if it would hurry up and get stable. and i would BU Y a linux port of any game if someone would port them especially CS.
The binaries have Installshield support, unlike the source.
phillyTIM
05-02-02, 06:48 AM
yeah, purchase their stuff then they'll released their WineX api out in the open source, and we'll have directX type reciprocation for development/ports of windows games on linux!
There is no WineX api.
Most of WineX is already available as source.
I would much rather have a real native port than have anything based on or reliant on Wine. Having all of WineX's source doesn't really help anyonce except for the normal Wine project. All it accomplished for most other people is a free ride.
I don't get what you are talking about with "directX type reciprocation".
Originally posted by XWRed1
They want you to pay because it is a company that is working on adding DirectX support to Wine. The employees have to eat somehow, you know.
I don't see what the big deal is for paying for stuff in Linux. As long as its something worthy, of course.
Thats why companies like Loki (http://www.lokigames.com) get screwed, because alot of people refuse to pay. Nevermind that if they go under, you will get alot less commercial games ported natively to Linux.
From what I understand, TransGaming has you pay for voting privileges. The more you pay, the more weight your vote has when you vote for which games you want them to make Wine compliant for next.
Personally, I'd much rather have native ports. Thats why I actually _buy_ games from Loki.
Well said, and I couldn't agree more. Often I see people complaining about commercial Linux software. If Linux doesn't have commercial software, most people won't be interested in investing in it, or giving it a fair shot. I have personally purchased many software titles for Linux, mainly customized software for things I do, but some games from Loki as well. It was worth it IMO. :)
as for paying for linux stuff. if they could port games, i would be willing to pay for them, even as much as for a windows game.
Im not paying $5 per month for this... -_-;;;
Doc_Skurlock
11-23-02, 12:00 AM
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Doc_Skurlock
11-23-02, 12:01 AM
I've been debating going to Linux, but heard that it sucks for games. How good does this Winex work?
Doc
Doc_Skurlock
01-24-03, 11:11 AM
Ok, in the time from November to now, I've learned about .5. I downloaded Knoppix and played with it for awhile, I'm downloading debian and I have freebsd. I tried to play with the wine on knoppix but couldn't get it to run even the linux version of folding. I have a second machine here that I want to try linux out on. Which one of the linux' is the best for games? Nevermind that I'm a noob, I've been a noob before (windows). I can figure most of it out on my own, except for the compiling a kernel crap. Haven't even looked at that.
Doc
maybe you guys missed it. But WineX is free as long as you get it from the CVS tree. I had it working once, and could play CS on it. But then I downloaded a newer version and the pos is packed full of bugs. It won't even compile. And doesn't Wine stand for Windows emulator.
And Q3 and Wolfenstein work just as good in my linux as they do in Windows (both of which I payed for). Games just suck when your running them through Wine, but games made for linux frun perfectly fine. And you guys have to actually setup Wine through the config file before you can even try running anything.
Also, I have a Slackware / Win2000 setup. I use Windows for games obviously... I can't run GTA3 Vice City on my linux. But linux is a fun and interesting enviroment to use and learn about. If your not into putting lots of time into learning all the different things about linux, don't bother getting it, just stick with point & click operating systems. If you have never used linux before, do not switch to it as your sole operating system, keep windows on, and dual boot.
lclark2074
09-16-03, 10:37 PM
I like linux because the Os is open source. It like you can by dictionary but you can talk for free
TastyShoeLace
10-08-03, 11:27 PM
I have 2 Mac's, 2 Windows machines, and one full time linux box. One of the windows rigs is a dual boot with mandrake linux. They all have their own purpose, one windows machine is for gaming and audio editing, one for business a linux machine for web and future robotic and custom electronic controlling, the mandrake for trying to get woking:) . I have a G4 for video editing and a G3 that doesn't really do much except get plugged occasionally to make sure it still works. The point is that each OS has it's thing that it's better at than the rest. I've used both mac and windows editing systems and I have to say that I'd pick the mac even if it were a little slower. For some reason windows gets a little buggy with it.
For ease of use *and* stability I think windows is the best, mac always has and always will be a little flaky when it comes to everyday use. For just stability linux is amazing, the only time my debian box gets turned off is when there is a blackout and I restart my windows at least once a week. Linux was originally meant for servers and networked systems so thats what I use it for. Of course all of the other software will be a little buggy there isn't really that much development going into those programs, at least not as much as windows software.
I dont think people should blame linux because it isn't their windows-clone all purpose machine at this moment in time. Also, no matter what some of you (who have been using linux for 10+ years and can re-program the whole thing from memory) think, not too many general users know about linux. I meet maybe one person a month who knows what it is..............
I'm ranting, hehe. My point is that you might have to wait a little while before all of your favorite games are on linux and you might have to wait if you don't want to work a little to get it working.
With WineX, can you play against windows computers on a network with no extra setup?
I play CS 1.5 all the time.
Note:
I finally caved and payed $30 US for winex. It works quite nice out of the box, and plays most games quite well (not really worth it since I only really play neverwinter nights and the quakes, all of which have linux binaries available for them, the only game i use winex for is cs..)
KfistoRok
01-20-04, 10:28 PM
Anybody tried a newer game? Such as Halo? If it plays that I'm all for it. :)
Slaught
01-29-04, 05:47 AM
And doesn't Wine stand for Windows emulator.
haha, close.
It stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" :)
Originally posted by Johnno
With WineX, can you play against windows computers on a network with no extra setup?
yeah...
even if you take a linux native game and play on a LAN you'll be able to play against the windows users. the game just connects to a server (sometimes a windows server, sometimes a linux server)
audioarocks
03-09-04, 09:33 PM
Mandrake 9.2 is installed but i can't get it to auto detect my onboard lan, it sees it but when i run the wizard it skips by the detecting part and says it doesn't detect it, in hardware detect it sees it. but has no parameters, i installed a nvidia rpm for mandrake 9.1 but nothing happened and when i downloaded the drivers from asus it has a makefile file but i don't know how to do that. please help
whooping_a_panda
03-11-04, 09:45 PM
winex 3.3 was released not long ago, it supports steam
bkuhn04
03-15-04, 08:55 AM
There is links to a free version on their website. It is in the CVS tree page. This works well for most supported games.
Malakai
05-15-04, 08:59 AM
FYI for anyone interested, WineX 3.3.2 works absolutely flawlessly with Steam and all the half life mods. Just do cvswinex SteamInstall.exe and install away.
and beware, wine/winex do NOT agree with supermount at all, to install games off a cd you must mount it manually. As for playing the games with a required cd in the drive, supermount works fine (so far for me anyway).
no offence but all you linux users got to get out more try these sites to get a handle on linux and config winex and wine and your drivers and your hardware and learn how to play more than two games
www.linuxquestions.org
http://www.tldp.org/tldp-redirect.php?url=/
and theier a lot more if you http://www.google.com/linux
drenader
06-16-04, 09:44 PM
Exactly right - and exactly what I've said all along is going to be Linux's failing. No one will dedicate significant resources to it when no profits can be made doing so. There's a high-water mark in terms of both quality and quantity of software that can be made for free.
I am not really sure what your talking about, i am not a linux user so may be wrong here but... i keep an eye on stock and RHAT red hat the second largest linux version i believe is doing extremely well. They make money off updates to there software (correct me if im wrong). The stock has risen from a mere $5 to almost $30 in the past year. SO apparently someone has been dedicating "signigicant recources" to linux's growing pockets.
Dre
Just realized im arguing with someone who posted a few months ago, oh well
whooping_a_panda
06-19-04, 02:34 AM
I am not really sure what your talking about, i am not a linux user so may be wrong here but... i keep an eye on stock and RHAT red hat the second largest linux version i believe is doing extremely well. They make money off updates to there software (correct me if im wrong). The stock has risen from a mere $5 to almost $30 in the past year. SO apparently someone has been dedicating "signigicant recources" to linux's growing pockets.
Dre
Just realized im arguing with someone who posted a few months ago, oh well
Actually, redhat became coorprate and is selling the OS now (about the past year). Fedora Core is the Open licensed redhat now
I don't there arn't too many mac users, but I was curious if anyone has gotten it to work on OSX
alien dork
07-28-04, 01:51 PM
RedHat Linux cost about $300+ a year for support which i don't think any of us is willing to pay for non-server type of machine. I believe that Suse was bought by some company and the support/year is about the same as RedHat if not more. I would be happy with Fedora.
The wine thing, does that work on Linux or windows? i wasn't quite sure which one (i think it works on linux, i mean that's the whole point right?)
Malakai
07-28-04, 10:30 PM
We should really start this sticky anew, it's very old :)
Here's my little update:
Winex is now called Cedega.
Cedega has support for dozens of windows games.
Steam works perfectly under Winex-3.3.2, there is a mouse issue with Cedega-4.0 which will b fixed in 4.0.1.
Frost Byte
08-11-04, 01:30 PM
Do any of you guys use this? If so how well does it work.
Also i don't have a problem paying for something like this, but a montly subscription kinda stinks. Any other ways of purchasing thier software?
whoever
08-26-04, 06:13 PM
Do any of you guys use this? If so how well does it work.
Also i don't have a problem paying for something like this, but a montly subscription kinda stinks. Any other ways of purchasing thier software?
I just emailed transgmaing a whole bunch of qeustions like payment and what that monthly fee includes
also some of you have mentioned that they offer a free download, I just serfed there site dead, and I couldn't find the link, can some one post the URL?
also while there may only be 12 or so "officially" supported games they have a database and tons of games that work with few or no bugs. I think I just may thy this program out, it may very well be the end of windows. . .
besides at worst case UT2003 works out of the box!, although i don't know about 04? and supposivly Doom3 is coming in october, but I fear the worst on that rumor.
alien dork
08-27-04, 02:27 PM
personally i linda like the idea of the monthly fee, you can download all the updates while you are a member. when you cancel your membership you can still use the software, it is just that you can't get any of the updates anymore. so, if you sole purpose is to get Cedega 4.0.1, then become a member for 3 month($15), and then cancel membership. that means you only ahve to pay $15 for Cedega 4.0.1(winex). i think that it is a small price to pay to get it considering that a game cost about $50 or so. they also have a site that tells you how well each of the games work and such.
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