805 a good buy?

[TheCheat]

My buddy will be getting a new system pretty soon.

He's limited to a 700$ budget for graphics,case, psu, ram, mobo, and cpu.

My question to you guys is... he mostly does gaming, but he also wants dual core. Should I setup a system around the 805, and bring the FSB up as high as I can without loosing stability. Or should I steer him in the direction of a single core A64?

I really dont know what would be better... :shrug:

[mystfied]

The cheapest A64 single core is $159+$4ship for the 3000+ Venice at the Egg (refurbs might be found cheaper, like I got my 3200 for $132 there).

At ZZF from the Cyber Deals link, it's $147 shipped for the 805.

I'd say that the 805 has greater potential for power, with a lot more L2, and it's dual core, and can go up high.

The caveat is getting an affordable motherboard; you can get a functional mildly OC-ing socket 939 board for maybe $30 to 60 cheaper than a board that will support the 805 plus the overclocking.

You may want to look into getting a Sempron 64 2800+ and overclock it. It's $75 plus $1 ship at The Egg, and should do nicely for gaming if you stick a good graphics card with it. Make sure you get a good OC board. The money you save will allow for a better graphics card, which will help games.

>>Remember also to check the stock Heatsink/Fan, and to purchase a good one if you're doing some decent OC-ing.

[TheCheat]

So for 30$ more, he could get a dual core, and with a little tweaking, get it up into the 3-4ghz range. While he could get a single core amd and oc it.

So what is better? a single core amd at 2.5-2.6hz or dual core intel @ 3.0-4.0ghz? He's mainly into gaming.

[mystfied]

Assuming budget of 700 for a gaming system as good as possible

$40 Case
($40 PSU) You could go with a decent case psu, see reviews
$75 Decent 754 MoBo
$76 Sempron 64 2800+
$30 decent cpu fan
$60 / go to Staples' Maxtor sale thingy -- Workable HDD
$20 / go to Staples' DVD burner sale thingy for 20 AR -- DVD-ROM
$80 1GB (512x2) G.SKILL Value DDR400
$200 Monitor
($50-90 Wynndoughz) Or get it from an old system, etc.

~$580, with that you can get a graphics card that will work pretty decently (e.g. x1600pro $120) or a 6800GS AR for $154

The $30 + Compatible-MoBo more would go better into a nice graphics card, and a nice socket754 OC board.

[TheCheat]

Like i said, he needs a case, psu, mobo, cpu, ram, and graphics. Not a whole new system.

This is what I've got so far for the 805 based system:
CPU: 805 CPU (145 @ egg)
Case/PSU:Antec LifeStyle SONATA II Piano Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450Watt SmartPower 2.0 (99 @ egg)
Ram:G.SKILL Extreme 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) (75@ egg)
Mobo:ASUS P5LD2 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945P ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (118$@ egg)
Graphics:Sapphire X850XT 256 meg (189 @ egg)
Cooling: Scythe (i've got a 120mm fan) (39@ egg)
And I got him a copy of windose for his bday today.

Total is:707.75 with shipping.

[mystfied]

Looks good - good luck overclocking :attn:

Oh, and the x00 series don't have Pixel Shader 3.0. Or AVIVO. =/
I'd say go for nvidia or some x1xxx series.

[TheCheat]

the 6800GS is going for the same price, but the x850xt was better than the 6800 ultra(performence wise), and the 6800GS is equal the performence of a 6800GT. So SM3.0 or more performence?

[Evilsizer]

dont forget 7600gt/gtx should be out in a month or so.

[pwnt by pat]

The only reason to consider a 6800gs would be if it could unlock to 16 pipes and 6 shaders. The pci-e versions have had extremely limited success unlocking, none I believe. The unlockables are AGP which does you no good.

[Vengance_01]

Thats looks to be a great setup man, no joke. The 945 board should o/c decently, but how high that 805 will go, not sure with its lower multi :) Also stick with the X850, nice price The only thing if you can get him 2GB. DC's I feel when load on both cores run better with 2GB's. Each core can use up to 1GB or more if need be.

[pscout]

The only reason to consider a 6800gs would be if it could unlock to 16 pipes and 6 shaders. The pci-e versions have had extremely limited success unlocking, none I believe. The unlockables are AGP which does you no good.


I notice from your sig that you are hoping to get a p5ld2-vm? Beware that others cannot get FSB beyond 220 on that mobo ... most likely because of the integrated video. Even with the integrated video disabled.

[Evilsizer]

I notice from your sig that you are hoping to get a p5ld2-vm? Beware that others cannot get FSB beyond 220 on that mobo ... most likely because of the integrated video. Even with the integrated video disabled.
my lg-81 can go over 220... got the 530j @266fsb but took a lot of voltage to get it into windows @4ghz. actaully im running 240fsb right now. this board has onboard vidoe so thats not it... see #2 in sig.

[bikinistud]

I dunno about you but I would look into a P5WD2 (np) for about $160 shipped. You will have more luck overclocking that new chip plus better bios support. (just depends how tight that budget is and how far you want to push that new chip)

[physicusman]

I have put together a parts list for myself because I am going to get one of these 805's soon. These prices are from the Egg. Check it out.

Gigabyte GA-8I945P-G Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945P ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: GA-8I945P-G
Item #: N82E16813128294
** This item is warranted through the product manufacturer only.
In Stock $98.00

1 REFURBISHED: SAPPHIRE 100596-BL Radeon X700PRO 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - OEM
Model #: 100596-BL
Item #: N82E16814102576R
In Stock $84.00

1 Intel Pentium D 805 Smithfield 533MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core,EM64T Processor Model BX80551PE2666FN - Retail
Model #: BX80551PE2666FN
Item #: N82E16819116001
** This item is warranted through the product manufacturer only.
In Stock $145.00

1 OCZ Value Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ26671024VDC-K - Retail
Model #: OCZ26671024VDC-K
Item #: N82E16820227059
In Stock ($5.00 Mail-in Rebate) $83.22 ($78.22 after rebate)

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD2500KS
Item #: N82E16822144701
** This item may only be returned for a replacement of the same make/model within 30 days only.
In Stock $96.00

1 LITE-ON Black IDE DVD Burner Model SHW-160P6S - OEM
Model #: SHW-160P6S BK OEM
Item #: N82E16827106014
In Stock $38.99

Subtotal: $545.21
minus $5 dollar memory rebate= $540.21 + shipping of course

Pretty decent setup if u ask me. I am not sure about the video card though. There are better one's available for more money, but hey you get what you pay for. BTW, I WILL be getting a better heatsink than the stock one. Not sure which one yet. Just a suggestion on some parts....

[CLH]

physicusman,
I just did the same thing but I went the other way... I went with the best hardware for over-clocking! This is going to be a pure Scientific machine only Folding and SETI!

$148 Pentium d 805
$198 ASUS P5WD2 Premium
$92 PQI TURBO 1GB (2X512MB)
$153 Raptor 74GB
$44 Thermaltake Big Typhoon
$140 SILVERSTONE SST-ST56ZF ATX12V/ EPS12V 560Watts
$15 Generic Case to put my current MB in!
$790

These prices come from a combination of Newegg, ChiefValue (Great RMA Policy) and eWiz! I have a video card, Floppy, etc... and will use the great case that an old PC is currently in.

I am taking a big hit on the MB but I want something that is known to have great over-clocking ability! I am not a Newbie to Over-Clocking but I sure don't want to blow up my new rig either! I have not yet pushed the button to buy this new hardware yet so if anyone has a suggestion, I am all ears!

Chad

[Ssetre]

CLH,

Dump the raptor...
Dump the Single Gig of Ram

Get the P5WD2 Non-P
Get a OCZ PowerStream 520W
Get a 2GiG Kit of DDR2

For a folding or crunching machine a decent Seagate SataII drive will do the job. A single Raptor isn't all that much faster anyways. Just disable any form of a swap file and let folding live in the ram, It will be much faster than if you had to have a swap file on the Raptor.

[CLH]

CLH,

Dump the raptor...
Dump the Single Gig of Ram

Get the P5WD2 Non-P
Get a OCZ PowerStream 520W
Get a 2GiG Kit of DDR2

For a folding or crunching machine a decent Seagate SataII drive will do the job. A single Raptor isn't all that much faster anyways.

Thanks for the feedback Ssetre,
I was gong to trade the Raptor for the 250GB WD in my main system. So this folding machine would be running the 250GB. Seti/Folding only requires 256MB or ram for max performance (Per my testing with the setup on my current boxes) so I see no need to upgrade to the 2GB at this point, 1GB should be more than plenty for my needs!

Why do you suggest the OCZ PowerStream 520W over the Silverstone SST-ST56ZF? What are the benefits because I did a lot of looking on the forum before I decided on this one, it looks like the majority of the suggestions point to the ST56ZF!
Thanks again for your suggestions,
Chad

[Ssetre]

I reccomend the OCZ over the Silverstone because the OCZ's Max output is 650W, It hits its peak efficiency at 520W and take that load all day. The Silverstone's max output is 560Watt's. Also the OCZ has adjustable outside Pots, the warranty is excellent 3 years and ship you a psu before they've seen your broken one + 2 more years. Also the powerstream seems to be the PSU of choice for overclocking intel dual cores.

Thats why I'd take the OCZ over the Silverstone.

[CLH]

I reccomend the OCZ over the Silverstone because the OCZ's Max output is 650W, It hits its peak efficiency at 520W and take that load all day. The Silverstone's max output is 560Watt's. Also the OCZ has adjustable outside Pots, the warranty is excellent 3 years and ship you a psu before they've seen your broken one + 2 more years. Also the powerstream seems to be the PSU of choice for overclocking intel dual cores.

Thats why I'd take the OCZ over the Silverstone.

I did not know all that info about the OCZ warranty... I will have to put my detective hat back on and do some more research on the OCZ! Thanks for your time Ssetre!
Chad

[Dan0512]

Here is my sugestion

AMD x3800 -$297
Asus A8N-E -$100
Sapphire x800gt -$120
Kingston bugdet mem 2x512 ~$70

$600, the rest for case and stuff...

Anyways, if I were him, I would stay away from those dual cores since he's a gamer, and rather get a single core AMD.. there isn't no advantage now. Use the money saved for better graphics / RAM. Even with a 3200 Venice he should OC very easily to ~2.6 and that is by any means faster than 4 ghz intels dc and sc on games AFAIK.

just a sugestion

dan

[Evilsizer]

Here is my sugestion

AMD x3800 -$297
Asus A8N-E -$100
Sapphire x800gt -$120
Kingston bugdet mem 2x512 ~$70

$600, the rest for case and stuff...

Anyways, if I were him, I would stay away from those dual cores since he's a gamer, and rather get a single core AMD.. there isn't no advantage now. Use the money saved for better graphics / RAM. Even with a 3200 Venice he should OC very easily to ~2.6 and that is by any means faster than 4 ghz intels dc and sc on games AFAIK.

just a sugestion

dan

well not much longer intel will have desktop conroe boards and cpu's. If dothan is any indicator of what is to come. It is going to be conroe to look at for gaming. im not knocking your suggestion at all. With AM2 and conroe around the corner buying or upgrading right now is just throwing money out the window.