More Conroe Info...20% Advantage

[3DFlyer]

This thread along with another is where idiots come to argue. It serves no real purpose. Theer are just a few that are trying, but not succeeding in quelling any BS. I'm finishing it.

[arve121]

AMD will be a few months behind intel at this release as they have concentrated more on server and laptop chips recently.

[TheCheat]

that link doesnt really prove anything... or say anything we already havnt heard.

Intel is good at hyping stuff up. I'll believe it when i see it.

[crimedog]

that link doesnt really prove anything...

of course not. we have to wait for it to come out. unless you trust intel's spokespersons that much :bang head

[TheCheat]

well i dont understand why he's saying Sorry Naysayers, this one has links..

links to old articles.... all stuff we already know.

[snvpa]

Well we certainly shall see but I've been saying for a while and continue to say Conroe will be alot better than most people think. I plan on moving intel in the next 6-9 months.

[Mr. $T$]

I wonder if it's clock per clock or their top end is 20% faster then AMD's top end.

Any who, I'm defently swaping out this 478 for the next gen by either company.

[3DFlyer]

:shrug:

[3DFlyer]

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[Mr. $T$]

Oh no, the company who actually built the CPU couldn't possibly have a clue about its performance. :rolleyes: They're just gonna blindly engineer something on a whim and throw it out there and see what happens. If it does perform like the stuff they made up the self-proclaimed experts will tell them, and then they'll know. What was I thnking? :shrug:


Well they are a company and they do market, they will tell you everything you want to believe. Remember as a company their object is to sell processors and the more they sell the more the company makes, marketing is a huge portion of these sales. Quite honstly I feel it's too early to tell just how fast it will be, yes we have a general idea but it's walking through the mud of hype and rumor. I don't doubt the Conroe for even a second, it will be a bitching processor there is no question.

[chris64]

I think its awesome, guess ill be making the switch to intel later this year.

[Avg]

I don't really doubt that the conroe maybe 20% faster then a comparable a64, but 20% at what, converting audio files? surfing the web? playing games? super pi? Seriously if your trying to sell a product will you tell your customer what your product is bad at? no otherwise apple would be advertising that although the sound quality of Ipot is poor it will make you look cool, HP would say that their pc might be just as fast as Dell pcs, but their support sucks, get my drift. For example recently AMD said that the K8l will improve FP by 1.5x, notice how they don't mention how that will reflect with real application.

IMO it's like the bikini situation, what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

[TheCheat]

Oh no, the company who actually built the CPU couldn't possibly have a clue about its performance. :rolleyes: They're just gonna blindly engineer something on a whim and throw it out there and see what happens. If it does perform like the stuff they made up the self-proclaimed experts will tell them, and then they'll know. What was I thnking? :shrug:

Pentium 4 willy core. nuff said.

[Evilsizer]

Pentium 4 willy core. nuff said.
and? P4 was never ment for a .18micron it was meant for .13micron... unless im missing something, i do beleive the key thing is that conroe is not meant for .09micron. They are not making .09micron cores anymore unless they went backwards.. Or is it they just forgot to tell us that conroe is going to fly on what ever is after .065micron?

[TheCheat]

and? P4 was never ment for a .18micron it was meant for .13micron... unless im missing something, i do beleive the key thing is that conroe is not meant for .09micron. They are not making .09micron cores anymore unless they went backwards.. Or is it they just forgot to tell us that conroe is going to fly on what ever is after .065micron?

He had a great laugh about me saying "intel is good at hyping stuff up" and they hyped the crap out of the pentium 4 willy core. It flopped big time.

Im not saying i dont want it to be a good cpu, but im not saying its going to be either. I'll believe it when i see it.

[Ross]

Yeah, reading quotes from the heads of marketing from each side about their and the other's products is about as smart as believing everything a used car salesman tells you :) C'mon 3D, unless you started this thread specifically for it to be closed instead of the other one, you're just begging for trouble with this ;)

He had a great laugh about me saying "intel is good at hyping stuff up" and they hyped the crap out of the pentium 4 willy core. It flopped big time.Contrarily, I heard not much officially from Intel about CedarMills or Preslers (everything seems to be Yonah) and the 65nm's are far and away the best clocking P4s I've ever owned. I guess of course, they can't use that as an advertising point though and not much else it diff than the POS Prescotts :)

P4 hype was clock speed and that's it....all HP and no TQ with its 31-step pipes. Intel owes us for putting up with Prescotts and Conroe better make up for it in spades ;) Conroe is a different animal and I promise WE'VE hyped it more than Intel up til this point. *On paper*, it's going to be the best thing they've come out with, ever.

[]-[itman]

*On paper*, it's going to be the best thing they've come out with, ever.

I will definitely second that. I really hope we start to hear some actual hard information soon. We now have clock speeds, which is good and definitely something to get hyped about, but what is the architecture like, what is bringing this %20 improvement? Anyone else notice that a %20 improvement on clock speed alone for 2.8ghz(the fastest dual-core AMD cpu) is 3.36ghz(basically the highest conroe clock at the end of the year)? It looks to me that the %20 improvement figure was chosen very carefully....make of that as you will.

[3DFlyer]

Actually, I'm hoping both of them will be closed, and have asked nik to do just that. I tried to delete the other thread, but that option has been removed.

It's just like the last time we tried to tell few folks on here that these chips would come out in 3.333GHz CPU's and they said that was impossible, that it...how was it they put it? oh yeah, "it defies the laws of physics". Well I guess we're all hulcinating now because it's all over the Internet. I also remember another crapped up thread about them coming out with a 333MHz version...again they call BS, "Hell no, it will only have a 266MHz bus they said...that comes from Intel itself" and again we must be hallucinating.

It's nothing unusual. I just hope they shut 'em all down. Maybe even locking down the CPU section entirely would be a good idea.

[cw823]

/me holds breath

[]-[itman]

There's no need to close this thread as of yet. There's no indication of any kind that things are going to go south, all posts have been very civil and a good discussion(if you ignore 3d's last post). As was already stated, this isn't really new info so the thread will probably die on its own quietly.

[ToxicTaZ]

Intel Conroe
E4200 2MB 1.60GHz 800MHz FSB Q4

E6200 2MB 1.60GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4
E6300 2MB 1.86GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3
E6400 2MB 2.13GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3
E6500 2MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4

E6600 4MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3
E6700 4MB 2.67GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3
E6800 4MB 2.93GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4
E6900 4MB 3.20GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4

Intel Conroe XE
E8000 4MB 3.33GHz 1333MHz FSB Q4

[Ross]

We now have clock speeds, which is good and definitely something to get hyped about, but what is the architecture like, what is bringing this %20 improvement? Anyone else notice that a %20 improvement on clock speed alone for 2.8ghz(the fastest dual-core AMD cpu) is 3.36ghz(basically the highest conroe clock at the end of the year)? It looks to me that the %20 improvement figure was chosen very carefully....make of that as you will.Clock will be some of it. There is also a rumored ~25% increase in IPC, FSB clock increase and granted it still comes off of an external bus, but L2 runs at CPU speed and there's a lot of it (4MB) that's shared by both cores instead of an individual cache per core like Presler.

Thanks Toxic...I guess I remembered right on the XE being towards the end of the year ;)

[]-[itman]

Clock will be some of it. There is also a rumored ~25% increase in IPC, FSB clock increase and granted it still comes off of an external bus, but L2 runs at CPU speed and there's a lot of it (4MB) that's shared by both cores instead of an individual cache per core like Presler.

Thanks Toxic...I guess I remembered right on the XE being towards the end of the year ;)

I know there will be other improvements in the architecture, it just seems to me that a %20 over AMD figure is too close to pure clock speed advantage to be coincidence. I'm not saying that conroe won't have any advantages over AMD64 cpu's, it just seems to me that no matter what happens, intel is completely safe from any kind of criticism from this comment. Even if conroe performed horribly and lost every benchmark to the top Athlon64/FX's (complete hypothetical, I don't think anyone really believes this is at all possible), intel can still say, we still have a %20 improvement over AMD, look at our clocks. Just thought I'd point out how clever these marketing guys can be.

[Ross]

Oh yeah, LOL. There's always a way to qualify statements :)

[3DFlyer]

Indeed, just take a look at the title of this thread in the first post! LOL

It's not worth it Ross. If your argueing with Hitman you're talking to a brick wall. You gotta have links man. Links. Everything is lies without links.

[]-[itman]

Is anyone else actually starting to find this humerous? I mean, when have you ever seen someone so upset at being asked for evidence for his claims that he intentionally tries to get the person riled-up and angry so that he'll lose his cool and get in trouble ON AN INTERNET FORUM. He's now even gone so far as to create an entirely new thread just to try to flame-bait me and has stated he is willing to go so far as to get banned(at least temporarily) to see something like this happen. I'm sorry, but I have to sit back and laugh at this.

I'm not going anywhere and I hope 3dflyer can accept this and move past all this to try and get some good threads going with good discussion and informative posts like I am trying to do. Of course, he won't read any of this because I'm being ignored, but I seriously hope WE can all move past this and let these threads die.

[edited to fill in a couple missing words, lol]

[ECH]

what I was really hoping for was a modified ziff socket for the conroe and 975 chipset vs. what they did with the M and the 478 MB. I could live with that...The modified ziff (or what other name you call it) would be modified for the correct voltage. You may need a new HS...I could live with buying it. This 975, P5wd2-e Prem board is rock solid and oc very well. I don't plan on giving it up anytime soon. All I really need is some sort of adaptor socket...

[Ross]

The voltage to the proc is not the issue, it's the power supply built into the current boards. Maybe something could be done to alter the power circuitry between current ones and what Conroe uses with an adapter board like the CT-479 for Dothan, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The CT-479 is strictly to adapt 479 pin mobile procs to desktop boards. Since Conroe will basically be the same proc for mobile and desktop, I don't think you will see any adapters like that. I would assume a mobo manufacturer would rather sell a $150-$250 motherboard than a $50 adapter ;)

[ECH]

The voltage to the proc is not the issue, it's the power supply built into the current boards. Maybe something could be done to alter the power circuitry between current ones and what Conroe uses with an adapter board like the CT-479 for Dothan, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The CT-479 is strictly to adapt 479 pin mobile procs to desktop boards. Since Conroe will basically be the same proc for mobile and desktop, I don't think you will see any adapters like that. I would assume a mobo manufacturer would rather sell a $150-$250 motherboard than a $50 adapter ;)

they could sell it for $150 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Ross]

Dang, I'd rather buy a new mobo at that price ;)

[ECH]

Dang, I'd rather buy a new mobo at that price ;)

nah not needed if what you have is already the best you can get. All that is really needed is a MB specifically designed for Conroe. An adapter can do nicely in this case. No need for a new MB just to make adjustments for the conroe arch...makes no sense. :shrug:

[Evilsizer]

nah not needed if what you have is already the best you can get. All that is really needed is a MB specifically designed for Conroe. An adapter can do nicely in this case. No need for a new MB just to make adjustments for the conroe arch...makes no sense. :shrug:
maybe but if you have seen what people have had to do just to use different coolers? WE want a board we dont have to mod anything just to make a cooler fit. Or having the mobo maker design a non-standard mounting for a HS that is so small you thought it was for the chipset... *cough dfi cough* aopen was the only board maker even though with 855 chipset that used the standard skt478 mounting... Point being i dont want to have to mod any adaptor or go making my own stuff just to mount a damn HSF. I have been lazy to mod this adaptor in fear of killing it.. not to mention i dont have $$ to replace it. I will put up with the 50c+ temps till i find a "REAL" board for these cpu's.

[>HyperlogiK<]

This is all quite interesting, remember that ed was talking about 9 months ago about x86 not having much life left in it, and that Itanium or something similar with an x86 decoder was going to be the way forward. Well the x86 decoder has been dropped from Montecito, and intel in particular seems to have some amazing x86 parts in the pipeline.

[cw823]

It's not worth it Ross. If your argueing with Hitman you're talking to a brick wall. You gotta have links man. Links. Everything is lies without links.


If that ain't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. Lighten up.

[3DFlyer]

If that ain't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. Lighten up.

nah, the difference is I don't go around calling other people liars...the scum does. No pot, no kettle, and basically all that s]-[it is more rhetoric. Actually I would've expected more from a mod, but I guess a mod in rank is not necessarily a mod in mind. Just like your last comment...keep holding your breath...it hasn't been long enough yet.

[Avg]

nah, the difference is I don't go around calling other people liars...the scum does. No pot, no kettle, and basically all that s]-[it is more rhetoric. Actually I would've expected more from a mod, but I guess a mod in rank is not necessarily a mod in mind. Just like your last comment...keep holding your breath...it hasn't been long enough yet.

Your not asking for a vacation, your begging for a permanent one.

[>HyperlogiK<]

3Dflyer you have over this and one other thread (also about conroe) appeared very rude, badly informed, prone to exaggeration and speaking of rhetoric most of your arguments seem worthy of Empedocles. In the other thread it was a little more understandable (but still out of order) as there were a few other people who had posted rather provocative comments, however I can't see any reason for it here. While I always advocate arguing with anybody (mods being no exception) if they are wrong, empty anger and insults directed at the people in green seems rather silly.

[Burdman27911]

Nicely said >HyperlogiK<....

Nothing more for me to say.

[nikhsub1]

This is done.