please help

[erusfatum]

sorry guys but i haven't understood some things.
you all are speaking of setting FSB speed memory timings, if i understood good you change it from the BIOS. but i haven't found anything in my BIOS here i could setup that stuff. except CPU PnP setup, CPU/DRAM base freq. which i setup at the max value (133/133) and CPU multiple factory at 5.5x, could ypu explain what that means? i relay don't know what to setup where, could some one help me? I have a EliteGroup P6S5AT mobo, Intel P3 1200MHz CPU, PC133 128MB RAM, 264MB RAM but i don't know what type and my BIOS are AMIBIOS ver:1.21.06. i hope that's all the info you need.

And one more, you are talking about Prescott and Northwood CPUs, what are they exactly? how i understood Northwood is better? Is P3 a Prescott or Northwood?

sorry for the trouble
thanks

[batboy]

On that motherboards, you might not have overclocking settings available. The FSB is 133. I'm guessing if you have a 133/133 setting, that means your FSB is 133 and your memory speed is also 133.

The 5.5X sounds like the multiplier, but if you have a 1200 P-3, then the multiplier should be 9X. Dowmload a free program called CPU-Z and see what it says.

The later P-3 cores are Coppermine and Tualatin. If you have a 1200, then you have a Tualatin. Core names like Willamette, Northwood, and Prescott are P-4 processors.

[erusfatum]

ok bouth RAM are PC133s. is there some thing special that i must to check in CPU-Z? so is there a way to overclock it?

[erusfatum]

so is it from the bios? if i get other bios i could overclock it?

[batboy]

Nothing special needs to be done to run CPU-Z.

I have never used that motherboard, so I don't know much about it. Maybe try to cycle through the CPU clock speed settings and see if you can find a "user define" option. If you find that, then it will allow you to manually adjust the FSB (frequency) settings. If that fails, download an overclocking program called softFSB and see if that will work. I doubt another BIOS would work. Some motherboards just don't allow overclocking.

[erusfatum]

ok thanks

[erusfatum]

ok how can i know what clock generator to select?

[JLK03F150]

Here are instructions for finding your clock generator (PLL).
http://www.cpufsb.de/FSB.HTM

[erusfatum]

i found that my PLL is ICS 9248BE-146 but the softFSB dont support it, i downloaded CPU Cool, it gets freq and reads PLL output, but if i change the freq and press set freq the pc dosent respond to any thing so i restart. ???
is there a way to upgrade my BIOS?

[JLK03F150]

There may be a BIOS update for your motherboard, but it most likely will not improve your overclocking options. What Revision is your motherboard? According to ECS there is a Rev 1.0, 1.5 & 1.6. It will be printed on the motherboard rear the model number.

[erusfatum]

Model number? there is printed in the middle of the mobo "P6S5AT" is that a model num? i should look for some thing like 1.0, 1.5 & 1.6?

[JLK03F150]

Yes, "P6S5AT" is the model number and near that should be something like Rev or Ver 1.5.

[erusfatum]

i found it, it says Rev: 1.6
so what does it mean?

[The Coolest]

Try downloading ClockGen from CPUz site, and see if you can overclock with that
start by increasing the FSB just by a few MHz to see if it will work

[The Coolest]

Try downloading ClockGen from CPUz site, and see if you can overclock with that
start by increasing the FSB just by a few MHz to see if it will work

[JLK03F150]

The only BIOS update is for Rev 1.6. It adds support for the 1.4GHz CPU. IMO it's not worth doing the update.

How far were you trying to raise the FSB with CPUCool? You have to take small steps and work your way up.

[erusfatum]

i was tryed every thing in CPUcool, the only thing it accepts is the 133/33/133 and 140/35/140 at 1.26GHz, nothing higher. will try ClockGen

[erusfatum]

ClockGen dont support my PLL

[erusfatum]

one moment. i saw some bios set the freq at 133MHz and Multiplier 10x and the CPU is 1.3GHz. so is it 133*10=1.3GHz? so if i set the Multiplier higher the CPU freq will be higher?

[The Coolest]

Unless you have an Engineering Sample (ES) CPU, you can't change the multiplier.

[erusfatum]

so is there a way to overclock the CPU more than 1260MHz?

[JLK03F150]

What's the next frequency choice after 140/35/140?

[erusfatum]

150/30/150 but it dosent work

[erusfatum]

locked and unlocked CPUs? what exactly you unlock? what does it gives?

[The Coolest]

Unlocked CPUs allow you to adjust the multiplier, so you don't have to play with FSB to overclock. But all retail Intel chips are locked and there's no way of unlocking them.
You have a choice of either upgrading the board to something that supports overclocking or changing the CPU to a 100MHz FSB version and upping that to 133MHz
thus getting a major speed boost

[erusfatum]

ok i see. what do i get by changing the CPUs voltage?

[The Coolest]

Nothing really if you're not overclocking. Increasing voltage can make an unstable overclock be stable, but at a price of more heat. It should only be increased if you've overclocked and the computer is not stable and your CPU temps are not high.

[erusfatum]

ok, so is there a way to overclock my cpu, with the stuff i have?

[JLK03F150]

It sounds like your motherboard isn't going to allow it to get any farther than 140MHz.

[erusfatum]

ok then, thanks a lot for the help! some day i will come back with a new mobo

[erusfatum]

i heard some guy sells really cheap P3 2Ghz processor because nobody gets them any more. so a P3 is 2Ghz it has to have 15.5X multiplier at FSB 133MHz?

[JLK03F150]

The fastest socket 370 P3 is 1.4GHz. The fastest socket 370 P3 based Celeron is also 1.4GHz.

A P3 based 2.0GHz (if there is one) would have to be a mobile chip, which is socket 478.

[erusfatum]

ok isee. i'll check it out