View Full Version : New Koolance/Lian-Li Case: 1000W !!
TreeNode
03-07-06, 03:21 PM
This thing looks awesome. Someone buy me one, pleeeeaaasssee...
http://www.koolance.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28_43&products_id=275
Looks is 1 thing. Performance is another ;)
Looks like another waste of money to me.
Looks like another waste of money to me.
haha agreed.
PhoenixOfChaos
03-07-06, 07:29 PM
Looks like another waste of money to me.
Prebuilt water kits just usually arent that good....
DvBoard
03-07-06, 10:12 PM
looks like it woudl be nice for someone who wanted at most a mild overclock and didn't want to mess wiht most fo the hassle. i'd consider it if i was int he market for such a thing right now.
Aidenswarrior
03-07-06, 10:16 PM
waste of money
amd64power
03-08-06, 03:04 AM
koolance aim this case at people that have never built a watercooling rig before (like me) you guys have most likely been building water rigs for a couple years so give them a break, if its not for u its not for u fair enough but there is no need to slate and flame it when u no nothing about it :shrug:
thorilan
03-08-06, 03:41 AM
while i agree with amd64s sentiment the total cost of the case is a little beyond what it should be. $450 for that case i could understand at the MOST . but the price they are charging you could get someone to build you better with better performance and a lcd monitor in the front to control everything with gpo settings on high.
Chunkylover763
03-08-06, 04:00 AM
There is absolutely no way I would dream of spending $675 for a system that
1. Has poor performance
2. Is premade
3. Doesnt even include waterblocks
If only there was a swiftech/Lian li model for the newcomers to drool at...
Albaholic
03-08-06, 04:16 AM
I dont really see what makes that case's looks so extraordinary nor do i see anything that would warrent its price tag. But if you got money to burn, more power to you.
I dont really see what makes that case's looks so extraordinary nor do i see anything that would warrent its price tag. But if you got money to burn, more power to you.
its basically a Lian-Li v1000 and a EXOS-2... Its just way over priced.
TreeNode
03-08-06, 10:01 AM
Wow, so quick to be so judgemental. Everyone keeps saying that DIY water cooling systems is the way to go, but that's not going to always be true. For instance, building gaming computers started out as being DIY, until Alienware and Dell XPS came along. This is just the beginning of combining all those possibilities into one simple design.
I didn't exactly mean the looks of it were the only factor, but the fact that it was simple, easy to use and install. Don't start telling me that this system could not outperform your custom water cooling solution until you have the numbers.
Wow, so quick to be so judgemental. Everyone keeps saying that DIY water cooling systems is the way to go, but that's not going to always be true. For instance, building gaming computers started out as being DIY, until Alienware and Dell XPS came along. This is just the beginning of combining all those possibilities into one simple design.
I didn't exactly mean the looks of it were the only factor, but the fact that it was simple, easy to use and install. Don't start telling me that this system could not outperform your custom water cooling solution until you have the numbers.
Alienware and Dell XPS are complete ***** compared to a highend custom built PCs. Koolance is the same, there keyword TRYING to mass produce highend watercooling, which they cant do. If you want performance and reliability you DIY.
vonkaar
03-08-06, 10:38 AM
Can't you get a prommy for around the same price?
I think that 'might' provide better cooling.
bchur83
03-08-06, 10:48 AM
its basically a Lian-Li v1000 and a EXOS-2... Its just way over priced.
Actually, I think that is a V2000 series. And, yes that price is crazy. The case is like $260 on its own. I actually have that case, and it has a lot of space, but that WC kit in there does it no justice. This case was made for a real WC setup.
thorilan
03-08-06, 11:06 AM
I didn't exactly mean the looks of it were the only factor, but the fact that it was simple, easy to use and install. Don't start telling me that this system could not outperform your custom water cooling solution until you have the numbers. i have extencive numbers to prove exactly that.
the fact is if you buy that case you have more money than brains .
vonkaar
03-08-06, 11:37 AM
Don't start telling me that this system could not outperform your custom water cooling solution until you have the numbers.
wow... I totally missed that. roflz indeed.
Here's some badass scientific research for you. Absolute proof that 'my' custom water cooling solution would outperform this Koolance system.
Question 1:
A) Koolance: -1
B) Not Koolance +1
My system - Answer: B.
Question 2:
Actually, this is just a 1 question quiz.
Sweet, I win. My custom water cooling solution could consist of a 3lb mexican brick (lapped, of course) sitting atop my CPU and as long as I didn't slap a koolance sticker on it, it'd STILL outperform this system.
numbers, schmumbers. I'll go with my gut instinct. Actually, to be honest... I'm sitting here arguing against Koolance and I haven't even clicked on the link. I simply saw 'koolance' and '$650' and thought, "rip-off, piece of crap." But GREAT for the newbie water-cooler... right?
shrug...
There 'are' some decent 'kit' systems out there. Thermaltake and Koolance don't make them.
TreeNode
03-08-06, 12:37 PM
i have extencive numbers to prove exactly that.
the fact is if you buy that case you have more money than brains .
Actually, I have both, as well as the ability to spell correctly.
vonkaar
03-08-06, 02:21 PM
Rofl. When I have no argument, I look for spelling errors too! If you can't win by intelligent polemics, win by 3rd grade name calling. Kick-ass, welcome to OC.
I'll put a $50 paypal bet up againssst anywone who'll take my system on with a stock koolance macheene. Numbers, you say? Do tell.
(I didn't 'sic' those, to make your clever retort quick and easy. AM I NOT MERCIFUL??)
Albaholic
03-08-06, 02:36 PM
I can see this thread going downhill pretty quickly.
Voodoo Rufus
03-08-06, 02:47 PM
EXOS-2s have been proven to work decently. Expensive, perhaps. But nothing to call it an unworthy approach for a new person with the funds to spend and is aquaphobic.
vonkaar
03-08-06, 02:52 PM
Shrug. Some people can't handle when you call their Kia, well...
A Kia
Everything was 'on-topic' until someone took offense to The Truth being preached about Koolance. Then things got all ad-hom up in herez. Don't look at me ;) .
The point is - Koolance sells baby systems to newbie overclockers. They are often overpriced and usually can't cool worth a damn (in comparison to our custom water cooling solutions). People come here and ask about "improving my l33t Thermaltake Aquarius II (or other similar 'crap')" so they can effectively OC their CPU. It's such a common topic, it should be included in a FAQ. These threads almost always end in some sort of debate between the newbies and the vets about the benefits of baby WC systems. I just think it's a waste of conversation...
Wow, so quick to be so judgemental. Everyone keeps saying that DIY water cooling systems is the way to go, but that's not going to always be true. For instance, building gaming computers started out as being DIY, until Alienware and Dell XPS came along. This is just the beginning of combining all those possibilities into one simple design.
I didn't exactly mean the looks of it were the only factor, but the fact that it was simple, easy to use and install. Don't start telling me that this system could not outperform your custom water cooling solution until you have the numbers.
XPS??
Just built a system for a friend for about 2K.
Comparable XPS would run roughly double.
fuzzba11
03-08-06, 06:43 PM
Huuuuuge price markup! It sure looks fantastic though.
TreeNode
03-09-06, 08:21 AM
Vonkaar, if I knew your system, I'd take you up on that bet. As someone else here said, the Exos 2 system has been known to be actually quite good, and the system I posted was about 40% better than the Exos 2.
As for the XPS/Alienware crap I mentioned, I didn't say they can make better machines, just that they commercialized it, much like the way water cooling is starting to become commercialized. Which means the standards you guys have today for "cool" systems, will be the standards easily achieved tomorrow by the commercialized products (easy pre-built systems). This is NOT a bad thing either. Also, if you don't have a few Billion Dollars in revenue each year like these companies, then don't knock Dell or Alienware. Sure they make OKAY systems (even with water cooling, ALX) for marked up prices, WE all know this, you don't have to repeat it here, for the 8th time, but that's what you do when you buy a bunch of parts and put them together for someone: you make money off it.
BTW, the funny thing is, the ALX machines actually use the koolance systems with their own case design. I haven't heard anything bad (except price) about the ALX machines. I almost bought one but wanted to build my own again.
TreeNode
03-09-06, 08:23 AM
Thought people in this thread might enjoy this, straight from the Koolance FAQ:
Why should I use a Koolance system, and not build my own?
DIY (do it yourself) kits have been on the market for quite some time. Individuals have made arguments for better temperatures or costs, but let's face it: ultimately, some people just like doing it themselves. Mounting the radiator, adapting the pump, splicing wires... if a bit of drilling and cutting doesn't phase you, installing a kit from scratch can be fun.
Until Koolance, it was necessary to order a separate CPU cooler, pump, and radiator (often from different companies), and modify your chassis as needed to accommodate these parts. Although our systems come pre-mounted, the individual is still responsible for laying tubing and installing cooler kits. Essentially however, we take the guess work out of fitting components into the chassis.
As for performance and cost? Well, you'll have to make up your own mind (http://www.koolance.com/press/reviews.html) on that one. Many customers simply don't have the time, or appreciate a complete system with warranty from a well-established company (with product on the market for over 5 years).
Maviryk
03-09-06, 12:40 PM
Thought people in this thread might enjoy this, straight from the Koolance FAQ:
Why should I use a Koolance system, and not build my own?
DIY (do it yourself) kits have been on the market for quite some time. Individuals have made arguments for better temperatures or costs, but let's face it: ultimately, some people just like doing it themselves. Mounting the radiator, adapting the pump, splicing wires... if a bit of drilling and cutting doesn't phase you, installing a kit from scratch can be fun.
Until Koolance, it was necessary to order a separate CPU cooler, pump, and radiator (often from different companies), and modify your chassis as needed to accommodate these parts. Although our systems come pre-mounted, the individual is still responsible for laying tubing and installing cooler kits. Essentially however, we take the guess work out of fitting components into the chassis.
As for performance and cost? Well, you'll have to make up your own mind (http://www.koolance.com/press/reviews.html) on that one. Many customers simply don't have the time, or appreciate a complete system with warranty from a well-established company (with product on the market for over 5 years).
QFT. Warranties are nice. I bet that triple 120mm rad would outperform my DHC too. And you've got to admit, that case looks NICE.
Edit: WTF, no blocks? Er... scratch the above comment. $675 and no blocks? Yeesh. We could build a mid-end gaming rig for that!
Yeah, Koolance never provides a water block. So basically, you are buying a watercooled case and watercooling accessories, but you need the most important part, the damn CPU block!
Like buying a Ferrari with no engine to me.
Shrug. Some people can't handle when you call their Kia, well...
A Kia
Everything was 'on-topic' until someone took offense to The Truth being preached about Koolance. Then things got all ad-hom up in herez. Don't look at me ;) .
The point is - Koolance sells baby systems to newbie overclockers. They are often overpriced and usually can't cool worth a damn (in comparison to our custom water cooling solutions). People come here and ask about "improving my l33t Thermaltake Aquarius II (or other similar 'crap')" so they can effectively OC their CPU. It's such a common topic, it should be included in a FAQ. These threads almost always end in some sort of debate between the newbies and the vets about the benefits of baby WC systems. I just think it's a waste of conversation...
kia's are such crappy cars :-/
Ya i thought it was off the chain until i seen the price :p, u can build an bad a** wc for that price and get an bad a** case
XPS??
Just built a system for a friend for about 2K.
Comparable XPS would run roughly double.
Yup keep is mind these companies gotta make money, They can be putting out high quality and still make money.
Yeah, Koolance never provides a water block. So basically, you are buying a watercooled case and watercooling accessories, but you need the most important part, the damn CPU block!
Like buying a Ferrari with no engine to me.
If anyone sees a Ferrari for sale for $675 sans engine give me a call... I'll just park it on the main drag and draw the chicks to me!
"Ya Baby, its mine. Wanna walk back to my place?"
Slammin
03-10-06, 01:39 AM
My rig is custom - V2100b,PA-160 w/Storm and MCP655 and since I built it myself, everyone here would call me l33t, but the fact is, my cooling system cannot dissipate 1000watts, so as l33t as I may be, I cannot knock that Koolance rig.
Now, I could upgrade/mod things a bit, but only because I KNOW HOW, but if I didn't know how but I still wanted to dissipate 1000w, I would certainly consider alternatives.
This wholesale 'kit' bashing really does make some of us look a little stupid. I mean, look at the kits Swiftech has been putting out the last couple of years. They usually consist of the exact same components that the l33t order from several different companies (shipping charges -ugghh!) but offer very acceptible performace, usually enabling you to reach your max overclock, at least.
I think it's great that we get these choices and knocking them cannot help our hobby.
amd64power
03-10-06, 01:41 AM
my god these forums make me laugh, people have to flame another companys product just to make themselfs feel better about there own w/c rigs, ffs u no nothing about the product and your still thinking its going to be crap i mean wtf, do u guys just w**k over your oh so DIY water cooling rigs thinking this rig rocks, well if thats the case then thats if for me i give up on you lot :bang head :bang head :bang head
[O-CuK]Marci
03-10-06, 06:19 AM
My rig is custom - V2100b,PA-160 w/Storm and MCP655 and since I built it myself, everyone here would call me l33t, but the fact is, my cooling system cannot dissipate 1000watts, so as l33t as I may be, I cannot knock that Koolance rig.
I think you'll find it can. It may not do so at a temperature you'd consider reasonable, but it would - ie: dissipate 1000w whilst leaving CPU and other items at 70 deg C load temp. Fact is, every radiator on the market can dissipate above 1000w, they just won't at an output temp useful to us... same goes for the koolance. Yes, that setup is capable of dissipating a 1000w, but your PA160 / MCP655 setup will do so at a lower temperature differential, thus resulting in your setup being "better". If you're happy to run your CPU at 120 deg C, then you could probably dissipate in excess of 1500w of heat... but you wouldn't. Doesn't stop the fact that the hardware is capable of it, and therefore, that 1000w is basically a bit of PR bull useless to anyone in the community to which the product is aimed.
Simple facts time...
D5 pump & BlackIce or ThermoChill 2x120 rad + res of your choice will match or beat the combination of hardware used in the Koolance setup, and likely at a lower noise level too. The D5 & BI or ThermoChill combo also doesn't involve a BIG SOD OFF ALUMINIUM RADIATOR.
Look around at the smaller companies. You'll find many offer proper prebuilt/mounted setups using the common DIY components for MUCH less money. My company will provide a v2000 case prefitted with D5 pump, PA120.3, 3x Silent Fans, & Bay Reservoir for slightly less money than Koolance charge for that. Just add blocks...#
Until Koolance, it was necessary to order a separate CPU cooler, pump, and radiator (often from different companies), and modify your chassis as needed to accommodate these parts.
Not true. Koolance were the big name that took it fully commercial and presented it in proper marketing-style to the masses, but you could always undercut on price and excel on performance by asking your "local" watercooling place to build one for you with DIY bits. Back when Koolance brought out their first case, we'd already been churning out GlobalWin 802 cases prefitted with Eheim 1048, DD Maze / Swiftech MCW462 blocks and BIPro2 or ThermoChill HE120.2 rads for about a year, for less money than Koolance were charging for their setup. Things haven't changed that much since...
Problem is, unless you've been in the scene for 6 or 7 years or more, then you won't have been exposed to all this the first time round, and the second time round... and so on. It always crops up, the answer WILL always be the same.
So, which would YOU rather have... that up there... or
http://marci.over-clock.com/v2kpro/S4100336.jpg
# LianLi v2000 Aluminium Chassis
# ThermoChill PA120.3 Radiator
# Laing D5 Pump
# DangerDen HDPE Bay Reservoir
# 7/16" Masterkleer Tubing
# 3x Xinruillian 0.4a Fans and 7v adapter
Bearing in mind it's more or less the same money, same case... but one offers MUCH better performance at lower noise?
Koolance's advantage is purely promotional - more people look at Koolance.com than do at the independant retailers who can beat them, cos folks don't research or look hard enough before raving or buying (general observation over the past 7 years). When u find good-looking watercooling at the first place u look, u tend not to look much further... when realistically another half hour on google could provide something ultimately MUCH better.
Sentential
03-10-06, 08:26 AM
<Looks at thread out of curosity>
<Looks at the word "Koolance" and begins to laugh>
<Looks at prices and laughs uncontroibly>
<Stops because people actually this this makes them a l33t water cooler>
/done
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