radeon 8500 vs geforce 3 ti500 and geforce 3

[RangerJoe34]

alrighty, i was looking at hardocp reviews comparing the tests these three cards did and the Ti500 beat the radeon in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE TESTS!!!!!!! then i was looking through where they tested the 8 different gf3's. and a couple of these cards beat the 8500 in a few tests....so i really dont want all the radeon lovers to be saying ONCE ATI GET THE NEW DRIVERS OUT...it will be a geforce 3 Ti500 KILLER...i think that ATI should have gotten their **** together in the first place like Nvidia did. so please shut your mouth because you have no idea what the 8500 is gonna do when the drivers come out to dont doubt that it will still not outperform the ti500...and in any case the ti500 can be overclocked like no other with the stock cooling which is not what i can say for the ATi because it doesnt even have RAM sinks and it has a crappy GPU cooler also. so shut your mouth till the drivers come out and who knows, i could be wrong and the ati will smoke the ti500 but you have no idea. i have my faith in nvidia because they have great cards.......later

[Zuck Gou :)]

Uhhh...

<crazy woman on Springer>Shut your mouth sista.</crazy woman>

Chill out dude, fine, we get the picture your gonna get a Geforce 3.

[WillysNut]

Ranger. While you do raise some good points and provide your source, your delivery is a little harsh as Zuck Gou mentioned. One of the best key's to learning this stuff is patience and understanding for "the other guy" who has decided to purchase a different product.

ATI Certaintly does have some bugs to work out but they recently began the focus on hardore gamers and the like. The excitement is the fact that now you, and the rest of us, have more options. Which in turn drives competition and pricing decreases. And moreover, it forces the evolution of video card technology right before our eyes.

Focus more on those great facts you raise and everyone will benefit from your newfound knowledge.

[RangerJoe34]

im not telling people that nvidia is better, thats my opinion, i just dont really like it when people tell about what might or might not happen when they actually have no idea what the new ATI drivers will do to the performance of the 8500

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

Well, I too am a "CURRENT" fan of Nvidia products(Geforce 2,3,TI lines)but have been playing with an 8500 which I will say is still NO SLOUCH. Yeah, the drivers do bite the big one though!:D Too bad. The funny thing though is that MOST people on this BB probably use a CRT monitor. I was using a serious CRT myself in both a Viewsonic PS 790 and a P225F. Both of these are serious performers. Well I just got a Viewsonic VG171 LCD monitor with DVI(digital input)in. WOW! Text is incredible, and games ROCK! You will never experience how good your video card is(be it an ATI or Nvidia product) until ou have a digital flat panel LCD display! Max Payne is da bomb on both the Ti500 and 8500, and I am still trying to tell the difference in terms of FPS,clarity,color etc.

If anybody on this forum works for ATI, I will say the 8500 has great potential, but how about getting your driver S**T together!:D

[RangerJoe34]

wow....i really was expecting to get jumped all over by the radeon lovers here.....i am pleasantly suprised

[funnyperson1]

sure, but it doesnt really matter to me, with video cards its not very smart to always get the best and fastest and paying a premium for it.......i just bought a geforce 2 pro only a year after people were paying 300 dollars for it and i can play any games that have been thrown at it with extremely playable fps, heck even my rage Fury Pro could handle anything i threw at it (even Max Payne), but by the time i buy a new video card the 8500 will be a 130$ and the Ti500 160$, and ill defniately go with the 8500 if the drivers mature.....so what if its not the fastest card now, bottom line is how do you your games play??? 10fps is not worth 100$ to me, maybe to you, but thats just not using your money wisely.......just to clear things up i am not a fanATic i just get whatever is teh best price/performance.....

[RangerJoe34]

you make a good point
but i am geting a geforce 3 normal but by the time i get around to getting it
it will be 250
and im gonna watercool it

[[OC]_SR20DE]

RangerJoe34,

Nice Car you got there.. look so pretty. Is it really your car? and the house.. and i like your first post, it's so funny and intertaining! :p :D Hahahaha

Even though I am disappointed about the GF2(I own one) putting out very poor 2D texts, I still like nVidia and me gonna buy GF3 TI500 this Christmas cauze this kind of card is really for the hardcore gamers. Radeon 8500 is good for All-around-purpose thing.

[funnyperson1]

i would recommend the Ti200 its a whole lot cheaper than regular geforce3 and easily overclocks to those speeds...

[Maximus Nickus]

im getting a ti200 g3 and theres 2, the gainwood or the morpheaus, which defult core is 200 and mem 466, what is the gainwood? and does it have tv out as there websaite has nothing!

[Brent75]

Sharp ride ranger!

[Kingslayer]

Originally posted by RangerJoe34
im not telling people that nvidia is better, thats my opinion, i just dont really like it when people tell about what might or might not happen when they actually have no idea what the new ATI drivers will do to the performance of the 8500

Well as bad as you nVidia fans say these drivers are they can only get better right?

I would like to point out something about that review. Now this is something that is a pet peeve of mine. I'm not pointing this out to defend the 8500 either! That review was done on an overclocked computer. In my book, this is not a proper review. The altered AGP bus could give one card the advantadge over the other. Case in point, this is the only review that I have seen where the 8500 lost to the Ti500 in 3DMark2001. It is also the only one that I have seen that is done on an overclocked machine. Personally, I disregard any hardware or software review done on an overclocked machine. It is an invalid test.

[krakerman]

the reason no ati fans have defended the 8500 is because your post is so ridiculous its not even worth responding too. make it more civil and maybe youll get more responses from ati users.

[RangerJoe34]

ok, when you overclock the computer, at the same speeds, it should give the cards close to equal increases...or at least this has been the case whenever overclocking my computer....

[RangerJoe34]

no...sadly that isnt my car...i live down the street....i have driven the car though...those are "pretty quick" to say the least.....the guy was happy to oblidge (he likes showing off his sweet A$$ car)

[Kingslayer]

Originally posted by RangerJoe34
ok, when you overclock the computer, at the same speeds, it should give the cards close to equal increases...or at least this has been the case whenever overclocking my computer....

Not true.

If this was true, then the two 3Com905C NICs that I have should both work in my computer. Yet one sits on my shelf because it can't handle the high FSB that the other can. And it is the same card from the same company, let alone cards from two different companies.

Different cards handle the extra FSB differently. That is why any review on hardware done on an overclocked machine is a bad review, in my opinion.

[RangerJoe34]

the way hardocp does the reviews though....they figure that the majority of the people that will be buying the card know something about computers..therefore most of them are gonna overclock it at some point...which (generally speaking) everyone with the ability to overclock their computer will at some point in the time they have it...making it realistic. i mean...when i get my geforce 3 im gonna also get a full watercooling kit for the card, and my computer. and im gonna overclock it alot more than i have tried so far

[funnyperson1]

read the new review at tomshardware....looks even better for 8500, beats the Ti500 in most Win98 tests....and overclocked to 300/620.....ATI really needs them driver fixes....

[RangerJoe34]

you all do realize that ATi and Nvidia dont use the same mhz scale...and for that matter Nvidia doesnt use the same scale for all their cards....because the ultra and the normal gf3 are the same mhz......but the gf3 is much more powerful....so you have to take that into account