Intel Fold build - help needed

[WarriorII]

I'm gonna ask this here in the main section.
Mainly B/C I'm not sure where else. :shrug:




FOLDING rig#3 :) *cough-cough* :D

This one is going to be Intel based, and a 24/7 rig (crossfingers)

P4 DC 2.66 805 90nm 533fsb 2x1mb L2

I'm looking for a fair mobo to put this together on.
I've heard the 925 chipset is better.

Price matters. (budget buid)

Onboard vid is fine.
Prefer non Pci-e - keep on the cheap side.

Either DDR or DDR2 works.

I have 1 or 2 old cases laying around I can throw it into
for the time being. (space)

CD drives I have.

If you could add linkage that be great.


:attn:
WII

[sno.lcn]

Here's one for like $70 http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0225820

*Edit: Wrong chipset. I'll keep looking.

[ghettocomp]

CHeaper at NewEgg..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127201


However, I personally enjoy the Specials at Frys Electronics, The kind where I
get a reasonable Mobo & Intel CPU as a combo for around 159. to 199.

My luck with those specials follows this: Do not take anything that LOOKS like it had
been opened. And dont let the sales drones talk you into anything that you dont want.

If I just follow those two things, the combos always work.

[LandShark]

may be you can look over at Newegg and see if you can find any refurb'ed P5WD2 board? I've used several refurb'ed board from Newegg as pure cruncher for either folding or seti and happy with them. I have one P5WD2 refurb'ed from Newegg for $120 and it folds as fine as my other full retail version!

[pscout]

i would watch out for any mobo without an intel chipset ... they don't seem to OC very well.

Also, beware of integrated video ... for the same reason - i suspect the mobo makers cut too many corners on these that compromise their ability to OC ... they are almost always the cheapest version of any of the mobos so they aren't targeting OC'ers.

955 chipsets are a bit more expensive but you will get a good OC. If you can get a refurbed p5WD2 as Gary did for near the price of a p5ld2 i would go with it. They OC extremely well.

945 chipset mobos are a bit more budget friendly new - some p5ld2's seem to oc to 300, others not ... i think asus has been changing chipsets without changing rev level on the boards. I have 2 (out of 3) 830's on the p5ld2 and they all run at 265. my 920 didn't like the p5ld2 - wouldn't go past 235 on them but goes over 300 on the p5wd2. So am thinking the chipset levels are the limiter for the 920 but don't seem to bother the 830's.

I have read that 925 chipsets (or was it 915's?) seem to have a problem with the pci lock so they can't get past 250 fsb. I don't have any mobo's with either chipset.

I have been thinking of trying out a 805 too ... they seem to OC pretty well on the right mobo. Haven't seen any folding results on them tho.

I would advise researching any 805/mobo combos on the intel and asus/abit fora. The 805 is pretty new so not a lot of experience out yet.
Some folks love their abits ( i have a bunch of 865/875's) but i haven't tried ony of the 945/955 mobos. Abits' early ones had some problems, so the asus seems to mostly own that market with the oc'ers atm.

Also, ddr2 mem seems to OC pretty well. So you don't need to spend a lot on it to get a decent mem oc. PQI is recommended a lot in the mem fora as good bang for the buck (at least last time i looked).

For folding only, a cheap pci vid card is all you need.

Also, don't scrimp too much on psu ... ihsetrdr found his 365 w enermax was not up to the task with his 820 and has to replace it with a 465 i think. Check his thread out.

[the garynator]

i would watch out for any mobo without an intel chipset ... they don't seem to OC very well.

Also, beware of integrated video ... for the same reason - i suspect the mobo makers cut too many corners on these that compromise their ability to OC ... they are almost always the cheapest version of any of the mobos so they aren't targeting OC'ers.

955 chipsets are a bit more expensive but you will get a good OC. If you can get a refurbed p5WD2 as Gary did for near the price of a p5ld2 i would go with it. They OC extremely well.

945 chipset mobos are a bit more budget friendly new - some p5ld2's seem to oc to 300, others not ... i think asus has been changing chipsets without changing rev level on the boards. I have 2 (out of 3) 830's on the p5ld2 and they all run at 265. my 920 didn't like the p5ld2 - wouldn't go past 235 on them but goes over 300 on the p5wd2. So am thinking the chipset levels are the limiter for the 920 but don't seem to bother the 830's.

I have read that 925 chipsets (or was it 915's?) seem to have a problem with the pci lock so they can't get past 250 fsb. I don't have any mobo's with either chipset.

I have been thinking of trying out a 805 too ... they seem to OC pretty well on the right mobo. Haven't seen any folding results on them tho.

I would advise researching any 805/mobo combos on the intel and asus/abit fora. The 805 is pretty new so not a lot of experience out yet.
Some folks love their abits ( i have a bunch of 865/875's) but i haven't tried ony of the 945/955 mobos. Abits' early ones had some problems, so the asus seems to mostly own that market with the oc'ers atm.

Also, ddr2 mem seems to OC pretty well. So you don't need to spend a lot on it to get a decent mem oc. PQI is recommended a lot in the mem fora as good bang for the buck (at least last time i looked).

For folding only, a cheap pci vid card is all you need.

Also, don't scrimp too much on psu ... ihsetrdr found his 365 w enermax was not up to the task with his 820 and has to replace it with a 465 i think. Check his thread out.
This was really helpful as I too am doing an 805 build... Thanks foe teh inf0! :thup:

[WarriorII]

Prefer non Pci-e - keep on the cheap side.

Either DDR or DDR2 works.

The information is very helpful, but going with that board requires pci-e video.

I've been looking over at the egg, but a lot of the Intel is French to me.

(I'm not sure you guys know how I personally feel about that either. :-/ )

[dz_jad]

its all french when you dont follow it at all for 18 months.

[WarriorII]

<--------------AMDroid :D

[LandShark]

The information is very helpful, but going with that board requires pci-e video.

I've been looking over at the egg, but a lot of the Intel is French to me.

(I'm not sure you guys know how I personally feel about that either. :-/ )

as Pete said, just get some old cheap PCI video card is all you'll need.

which part you don't quite understand? you know there's many "Intel translator" here that could help! ;)

p.s. I might have a Asus 925x board (in my HTPC) up for sale soon (when I get a yonah board to replace it). ;)

[pscout]

i bought a whack of cheap ati rage 8 mb pci cards for my farm rigs ... they don't draw much power, don't produce any heat, no special drivers .... almost makes my rigs headless :D

and you can use em on any mobo (pci won't likely go the way of the dodo anytime soon).


/edit ... pm or post any questions u got on that intel stuff :)

[dicecca112]

I may be wrong but I believe, that only 945 and up support dual core. Be prepared for high temps Warrior.

This board seem decent http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135201

[WarriorII]

I'm sorry guys, I've misunderstood.

When you said pci card, I was hearing you say pci-e card......

:bang head.

I get it now. /Duh.... :-/

LS - let me know when that mobo becomes available. :)
-see if I need it by the time you replace it.

Dicecca112 - that's a good looking board.

Thanks for the linkage.

:attn:

[LandShark]

Warrior, you might wanna check this out, ATI PCI-e X600 video card $19 shipped (http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-X600-PCI-Express-128-MB_W0QQitemZ8780865700QQcategoryZ40158QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem) !! pretty good deal for a pretty decent video(folding) card!! especially consider you probably need to spend about the same $$ for some old cheap ATI PCI video card anyway!! I might grab a couple myself too!! ;)

[pscout]

I may be wrong but I believe, that only 945 and up support dual core. Be prepared for high temps Warrior.

actually asus p5p800-se supports DC's on an 865 chipset!

not sure about its folding performance tho.

[dicecca112]

okay, yeah well I was think more or less that the 915 and 925 don't support them.

[Shelnutt2]

actually asus p5p800-se supports DC's on an 865 chipset!

not sure about its folding performance tho.


Warrior, in the spirt of "Fold for t3h cure" I will also recommend that board if you want cheap, DDR and AGP, and dual core.

[dwschoon]

actually asus p5p800-se supports DC's on an 865 chipset!

not sure about its folding performance tho.

I have been thinking about picking one of these up to try a dual core on. I wish someone would try one on the AS8 so i could see if it will post or not. I may pick one up and try it myself.

edit: also for those worried about mb's with onboard video not hitting high fsb, the 805 is on a 533fsb, so it probably wont do much more, if any, than 200fsb anyway.

[muddocktor]

actually asus p5p800-se supports DC's on an 865 chipset!

not sure about its folding performance tho.

I can probably fill you all in on this in a week or so. One of the guys on the Short media team just ordered an 805 and the P5P800 SE for a folding rig Dad's rig build. I'll make sure he starts a thread on it there so I can find out how it's going and maybe link to the thread, if that's OK by the moderators here. He's a fellow moderator over there.

[WarriorII]

Short Media Team?

Never heard of 'em.

Bunch a midgets runnin' around reading books? :p

:shrug:

Sounds Cool.

[pscout]

I can probably fill you all in on this in a week or so. One of the guys on the Short media team just ordered an 805 and the P5P800 SE for a folding rig Dad's rig build. I'll make sure he starts a thread on it there so I can find out how it's going and maybe link to the thread, if that's OK by the moderators here. He's a fellow moderator over there.

yes ... very interested in cost effective DC setups!!

power consumption per ppd would be a very interesting stat ... I am convinced i can keep my ppd up while i reduce my number of rigs by replacing several p4 ht's with 1 dc rig.

a test with some qmd's would be interesting since the fsb is lower on the 805's than the 830's/920 i have. I have a test one i can send. I am guessing the ppd spread would be greater with qmd's than with any of the other WU's.

[muddocktor]

Yeah, I'm sure that lemonlime (the guy over there) would be interested in testing it with a QMD to see how it performs, Pete. I'm sure he will see how well it overclocks before he gives it to his Dad, for information purposes. After all, his main rig is a Vapo LS, so he definitely likes to overclock. :)

I'm thinking that if a person can get close to 200 fsb with these 805's, the memory bandwidth might not suck too bad and a bandwidth intensive wu like a QMD should do decently, but we won't know for sure until it's tested.

EDIT: Actually it wasn't lemonlime who ordered the 805/P5P800 SE, it was another guy, Donut. I PM'ed him about it and he said he got in the parts today and will try to post some results before he has to go on the road for work.