PIII 1gighz or Celeron 1.2 gighz ? [Archive]

Sklathill

11-05-01, 11:07 PM

Get the 1.2 GHz Celeron if you're 100% intending on overclocking. Otherwise, the 133 FSB on your current chip is actually better. Also, realize that you're going to need a PowerLeap adapter...Can't remember the price of it. They sell their slocket adapter with the chip, and I can't remember exactly but it's closer to the 200 mark than the 100 mark.

funnyperson1

11-05-01, 11:08 PM

the new 1.2 celerons will whip the pants off that P3 as they have 256 cache and are based on .13 micron process and will overclock easily to 1.5, however your motherboard wont support it because it is a tualtin chip and youll need to get a new mobo for it, i suggest you get a new P3 1GHZ at ENPC.com which several people on these boards have gotten to 1.4.....also take that bad word out before the mods jump on you....

seven7

11-05-01, 11:10 PM

man u gotta be better off with the p 3 1000 is it at 133 fsb?
but someone will tell me i,m wrong cause they might say u can overclock the 1.2 to 1.5?

[OC]_SR20DE

11-05-01, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1
the new 1.2 celerons will whip the pants off that P3 as they have 256 cache and are based on .13 micron process and will overclock easily to 1.5, however your motherboard wont support it because it is a tualtin chip and youll need to get a new mobo for it, i suggest you get a new P3 1GHZ at ENPC.com which several people on these boards have gotten to 1.4.....also take that bad word out before the mods jump on you....

yeah like me.. :p look at my sig, first line heehee

funnyperson1

11-05-01, 11:42 PM

well you see this new celeron will easily go to 133 with a motherboard upgrade and it has 256cache so it is the same as a CuMine at the same clock speed......if you dont believe me about the overclocking, Toms Hardware got it to 1500mhz, Pinky got it to 1500mhz, and Ol' Man got it to 1600mhz, all on air.....

Will Maltby

11-06-01, 12:58 AM

So if I want that 1.2 Celeron I'll have to flat out buy a new motherboard ?

If that's the case then I guess I'll wait till xmas and go all AMD...

If i did get a celeron 1.2, I doubt I'd get it beyond 1300 because I live in the UK and it's now pretty clear to me (having had 3 consecutive sh*t cpu's) that the UK gets sold, well, sh*t.

I had a 650 PIII and got it a mind blowing 800mhz. Whoopee doo. I thought that was pitiful till I got my 1 gighz PIII.

Anyway, enough being bitter from me...

thanks for the input everyone.

ol' man

11-06-01, 01:09 AM

For my celery to stay stable at 1600MHz I would need a better HS. I was going to spend $40 on a good Cu one and fan but then I realized I had a small fridge I didn't use. Tomake a long story short I was going to commit my machine to H2O cooling with the resivoir in a freon tube bath from the fridge I set it up and the resivoir got below 0 deg. C. Problem was as soon as I had it setup my asus died on me. No water condesed on it cause it didn't have time. When ever I do things like this I always make sure i have foam around every thing. Rubber cement is good to for area where you may think there may be a condesation issue. Nice thing about rubber cement is that if you need to remove it you just simply rub it off with you fingers. SOme use vaseline but I think that would be more of a problem to clean up if you had to.

I think with this setup I should be able to run 1700MHz at low vcores. Thankfully the chip was fine. Now I gotta RMA my board but the setup is fine.

In the end you will need very good cooling(ie. large Cu HS) to have your 1.2celery to run at 1600MHz.

Nice thing about H2O cooling a .13u chip even OC'd is that it will not heat up the coolant much since it still doesn't put out much for watts. When I had the block running by itself with out being on the chip it actually got frost on it. Man I am bumbed but not as bad as I was when I though I fried my chip.

melkus

11-06-01, 07:02 AM

Celery 1 Ghz now at 1.3 had to take the volts up abit and temp shows 45 C CPU temp and 33 C case full load. Seems to me the CPU temp abit higher than should be but this is stock HS/Fan. Looking now at better sit up here :)

Sklathill

11-06-01, 10:41 AM

No no...! You DON'T have to get a new motherboard. For those unfamiliar with what he has, the Abit SH6 is a Slot-1 815 board. What you do need, as said earlier, is a PowerLeap adapter.

http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm

Realize that the adapter comes with the Celery Tualatin 1.2 already. The price is 169 bucks...not too bad. As you can see, they are not supposed to be shipping until a little more than a week from now.

martialcomp

11-06-01, 12:06 PM

You do NOT need a new motherboard. I was looking at the Powerleaps myself...However, they do not start shipping until November 15th, and I am not sure how easy it is to overclock with the Powerleap slocket. The site says something about re-wiring to overclock? I am not sure...I would hope the slocket would have dip switches to change the voltage. Not sure on this, would appreciate someone with more info to post. I am considering buying a Celeron 900 and trying to go to 1200 on my BE6 II. However, if the Powerleap slocket is easy to overclock with, then I will consider that instead.

Will Maltby

11-06-01, 02:06 PM

I'm already using an Abit slotket III with my 1gighz.

That has varying voltages on it plus the mobo itself has voltages up to 1.9 volts as well.

So could I just get a celeron 1.2 with that ?

or is there something more fundamental with the tulatins that requires a special bit of kit ?

thanks again in advance for any input

ol' man

11-06-01, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by ol' man
For my celery to stay stable at 1600MHz I would need a better HS. I was going to spend $40 on a good Cu one and fan but then I realized I had a small fridge I didn't use. Tomake a long story short I was going to commit my machine to H2O cooling with the resivoir in a freon tube bath from the fridge I set it up and the resivoir got below 0 deg. C. Problem was as soon as I had it setup my asus died on me. No water condesed on it cause it didn't have time. When ever I do things like this I always make sure i have foam around every thing. Rubber cement is good to for area where you may think there may be a condesation issue. Nice thing about rubber cement is that if you need to remove it you just simply rub it off with you fingers. SOme use vaseline but I think that would be more of a problem to clean up if you had to.

I think with this setup I should be able to run 1700MHz at low vcores. Thankfully the chip was fine. Now I gotta RMA my board but the setup is fine.

In the end you will need very good cooling(ie. large Cu HS) to have your 1.2celery to run at 1600MHz.

Nice thing about H2O cooling a .13u chip even OC'd is that it will not heat up the coolant much since it still doesn't put out much for watts. When I had the block running by itself with out being on the chip it actually got frost on it. Man I am bumbed but not as bad as I was when I though I fried my chip.

***************EDIT*******************

The Asus board is fine as also the chip. This is one flaky MOBO. It doesn't like switching between CPU's that much. I don't think it switches vcore or FSB automatically the first boot. I cannot see a reset cmos on it either which is weird. I kinda liked the feature on my old ABIT boards.

Dtown

11-06-01, 03:06 PM

Get that Powereap sloket!!!!! :D

Dtown

Yodums

11-06-01, 03:12 PM

Why not pour out some extra money for the Asus TUSL2 and the 1.2 Tualatin Celly and a good heatsink and fan and you'll achive more than the Adapter thingy.

Sklathill

11-07-01, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Will Maltby
I'm already using an Abit slotket III with my 1gighz.

That has varying voltages on it plus the mobo itself has voltages up to 1.9 volts as well.

So could I just get a celeron 1.2 with that ?

Nope. You need the PowerLeap adapter. A regular slocket will have your 1.2 Celery cruising at exactly 0 MHz. :)

6502kid

11-07-01, 04:53 AM

Get the 1.2 celery and drop a hundred bucks on the
new Tualatin compatable mb.

There are several boards out now. I have been hearing
about that adapter for a couple of months now, and
it still is a vaporware product as far as I can tell.

Will Maltby

11-07-01, 05:40 AM

ok, guess ill have to get me a powerleap thing then.

Does anyone know where I can get one in the UK (without celeron 1.2 included as with the powerleap site itself) ?

I wouldn't get another motherboard because it hardly seems worth it to get a few hundred more mhz.

If i buy a new mobo, i might as well go all the way and get an amd board for XP processors.

I'm surprised people here are still so keen about ole PIII's.

I would have thought everyone would be jumping all over AMD 1.4's at the least.

*looks at forum name entitled 'Intel CPUs'*

oh...

[OC]_SR20DE

11-07-01, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Will Maltby
ok, guess ill have to get me a powerleap thing then.

Does anyone know where I can get one in the UK (without celeron 1.2 included as with the powerleap site itself) ?

I wouldn't get another motherboard because it hardly seems worth it to get a few hundred more mhz.

If i buy a new mobo, i might as well go all the way and get an amd board for XP processors.

I'm surprised people here are still so keen about ole PIII's.

I would have thought everyone would be jumping all over AMD 1.4's at the least.

*looks at forum name entitled 'Intel CPUs'*

oh...

Try here for the Tualatin Slotket (http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm) this site referred by ol'man.

BTW, oh you think so??.. you think everybody should jump over to AMD? hahahahaha.. we'll see about that in the shortcomming future. Things will turn out upside down. but hey.. I own AMD also. hahahahaha... Two of them. :rolleyes: ;) :eek:

Also my P3@ 1400 and up crushing AMD Palomino 1333mhz in both CPU and CPU Multimedia scores in Sissy Sandra, hahahaha..

Racoon

11-07-01, 06:18 PM

For a UK stockist try here:
http://www.bcsmarket.co.uk/powerleap.htm

Yodums

11-07-01, 07:07 PM

Well good choice but if you really had cash to blow I'd get the Asus TUSL2 ... ...

Is that even a good price 169 USD for the PowerLeap and the 1.2 Tualatin?

funnyperson1

11-07-01, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Yodums
Well good choice but if you really had cash to blow I'd get the Asus TUSL2 ... ...

Is that even a good price 169 USD for the PowerLeap and the 1.2 Tualatin?

if the powerleap ocs as well as the normal Celly sure its an awesome deal meaning he doesnt have to get rid of that old mobo....if might do it on my old P3V4X if it ocs well....

Yodums

11-07-01, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1

if the powerleap ocs as well as the normal Celly sure its an awesome deal meaning he doesnt have to get rid of that old mobo....if might do it on my old P3V4X if it ocs well....

We'll have to wait and see.. :)

But I'm guessing it's a pretty decent overclocker..

BoYRaCeR

11-07-01, 09:20 PM

So the celeron 1.2 is the new badboy of overclocking then huh... geez... i just bought a p3 1ghz... i heard the max these things could go is 1200... at 160fsb... which makes the pci at a dangerous 40mhz... oh well.

Yodums

11-07-01, 09:22 PM

Depends whats your system bus on it? 133?

And the cC0 steppings will reach some what a 1.2ghz maximum while the cD0 can achive up to 1.4 ghz

Pinky

11-07-01, 09:37 PM

If, and only if, the powerleap adapter has good voltage settings, will you get any overclocking.

I had to vid-pin the cpu to get the default to 1.675v, then could only raise it .10v more (but 1.80 is the highest I'd ever take one of these cores anyway with excellent air cooling).

This overclock is 5 days old (I think). I've been folding 24/7 over those 5 days in addition to my normal surfing, burning, etc and there have been no heat issues (case temps are 27C and under full load the CPU's 42-43C)and only one random reboot (but that was unrelated to the overclock and was 2 days ago without a problem since).

This chip gets a 9.5/10 for awesome. Benches show this competing very well with the AMD XP chips, but still get smacked down in memory benchmarks, though I'm wondering how much of my meager 420MB/s I use anyway.

Yodums

11-07-01, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Pinky
If, and only if, the powerleap adapter has good voltage settings, will you get any overclocking.

I had to vid-pin the cpu to get the default to 1.675v, then could only raise it .10v more (but 1.80 is the highest I'd ever take one of these cores anyway with excellent air cooling).

This overclock is 5 days old (I think). I've been folding 24/7 over those 5 days in addition to my normal surfing, burning, etc and there have been no heat issues (case temps are 27C and under full load the CPU's 42-43C)and only one random reboot (but that was unrelated to the overclock and was 2 days ago without a problem since).

This chip gets a 9.5/10 for awesome. Benches show this competing very well with the AMD XP chips, but still get smacked down in memory benchmarks, though I'm wondering how much of my meager 420MB/s I use anyway.

Seems like a class-a chip to me! I would love to get one for next summer..

I will have to work in the summer and get the computer then till then.. I will have to suffer.

funnyperson1

11-07-01, 09:53 PM

Hey pinky think a VolcanoII is enough to hold the temps down, i sure hope so cause i bought one with a 28cfm fan (for my dad) and i hope i can get it to 133....

Yodums

11-07-01, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1
Hey pinky think a VolcanoII is enough to hold the temps down, i sure hope so cause i bought one with a 28cfm fan (for my dad) and i hope i can get it to 133....

Would Volcano 6cu+ be better?

funnyperson1

11-07-01, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Yodums

Would Volcano 6cu+ be better?
yes, the CU+ has a copper base and it performs a couple degrees cooler....

Yodums

11-07-01, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1

yes, the CU+ has a copper base and it performs a couple degrees cooler....

Cousin has the 6cu+ and the copper base isn't effective at all its basically alluminum and the 7K Delta fan creates really crazy turbulance which really helps.

ol' man

11-07-01, 10:35 PM

Well funny person it is good you got a Cu base HS. That is the only way you will IMHO get to 1600MHz with this chip stable. I got the pal 6035. Works much better than retail. It got my temps down 7 deg. C versus retail sink. Hopefully the Cu base is large enough on that to be effective. You may need to remove the IHS to hit 1600MHz also. If that is the case I would be very, very careful but in all the core may not be as fragile as I thougt. I am getting nervous though with all the removing of my HS. The core has held up so far though.

funnyperson1

11-07-01, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by ol' man
Well funny person it is good you got a Cu base HS. That is the only way you will IMHO get to 1600MHz with this chip stable. I got the pal 6035. Works much better than retail. It got my temps down 7 deg. C versus retail sink. Hopefully the Cu base is large enough on that to be effective. You may need to remove the IHS to hit 1600MHz also. If that is the case I would be very, very careful but in all the core may not be as fragile as I thougt. I am getting nervous though with all the removing of my HS. The core has held up so far though.

unfortunately it isnt the 6CU+ i got i got the old school VolcanoII it should be fine for the tualitin, i mean its made for Atherlons....

Sklathill

11-08-01, 02:58 AM

Just because it's made for Athlons doesn't mean it's great. :) The Antec JetCool is made for Athlons, and it's far from a great cooling solution. :) Sure, the Tualatins have very low heat dissipation, but I'd still put something better than a Volcano 2 on there if I want to do overclocking.

ol' man

11-08-01, 06:55 AM

Hey funny person just cause the tualatin doesn't produce as much heat as the athy core or PIII cumine doesn't mean that it is easy to cool. You have to rember that heat produced/area of the die is much greater than a PIII for sure and most likely rivals a athlon especially at this speed. I told you I am estimating that it is putting out close to 40watts which is higher than any PIII has put out and I think may be close to the 1or 1.2GHz athy. Bad part once again is that it is such a small die to cool you have to have some thing that wicks away thye heat really good like Cu because it is the second most thermally conductive of all the elements. SIlver is the best. You should hurry and cancel the order for the volcano and get the SK6. That was what I wanted to get but I didn't have the patience. I almost guarentee you will be dissapointed cause you will not hit 1600MHz with an aluminum HS.

I have been screaming for days here that if you want to cool the tualatin core best go with a Cu HS. It made the world of difference. Aluminum HS's are twice as slow of wicking away the heat from this small core as a copper HS.

Well you will see. It is not as easy as I make it sound maybe? It takes work man.

Pinky

11-08-01, 10:34 AM

Agreed. I took one look at the retail HSF that came with the Tullie , put her back in the package where she's been living since.

Aluminum won't cut it, I was pleased the Pal cut it.

funnyperson1

11-08-01, 04:24 PM

well i just got it today, but it doesnt really matter because itd gonna be a mild oc to like 1.4, or maybe i can the fsb up to 133.....it looks like a hefty cooler and according to oc.com with the stock 28cfm fan kept a 44watt producing Athlon1GHZ at 44C*.....

heres what oc.com said:
.CONCLUSION
The Thermaltake Volcano II just makes the 0.3 C/W cut that I arbitrarily feel is acceptable for serious AMD CPU cooling, but only with the Delta 38; with its stock fan, the Volcano is not acceptable for serious cooling. The best heatsinks, all using Delta 38s, are testing out in the 0.25 range, so the Volcano II is in the hunt. The Swiftech currently remains number one with its MC462A, although its noise level at full speed is high.
.....
should suit my purposes.....

Yodums

11-08-01, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1
well i just got it today, but it doesnt really matter because itd gonna be a mild oc to like 1.4, or maybe i can the fsb up to 133.....it looks like a hefty cooler and according to oc.com with the stock 28cfm fan kept a 44watt producing Athlon1GHZ at 44C*.....

heres what oc.com said:
.CONCLUSION
The Thermaltake Volcano II just makes the 0.3 C/W cut that I arbitrarily feel is acceptable for serious AMD CPU cooling, but only with the Delta 38; with its stock fan, the Volcano is not acceptable for serious cooling. The best heatsinks, all using Delta 38s, are testing out in the 0.25 range, so the Volcano II is in the hunt. The Swiftech currently remains number one with its MC462A, although its noise level at full speed is high.
.....
should suit my purposes.....

But then again seems like a last choice thing.. I think I would get a better range..