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pretty sweet. my xp loads fast as heck(18seconds from power button) but hey some people are having problems so you can check it out here
http://www.microsoft.com/HWDEV/fastboot/
Call me stupid:), but how exactly do you use the program. Or does it just let you know what the system is doing during bootup?
Softwebdev
11-07-01, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by bdf24
Call me stupid:), but how exactly do you use the program. Or does it just let you know what the system is doing during bootup?
there is no installation process...just download...double click on it...and use it....choose "optimize system" under "trace" menu
this thing is sweet...it's easy to use...if you can eat your lunch, you can handle this baby
Instructions were good and clear from Soft...
It really works reduced 10 seconds for me ...
http://www.xp-erience-org/
They supply alot of good tweaks.
How do you eat your lunch? :) JK
I did try the Optimize system, a few days ago and it did'nt make any noticible difference to my system. That's why I was asking. I thought maybe there was a little more to it.
Originally posted by bdf24
How do you eat your lunch? :) JK
I did try the Optimize system, a few days ago and it did'nt make any noticible difference to my system. That's why I was asking. I thought maybe there was a little more to it.
Lots of people have problems with it ... :)
Softwebdev
11-07-01, 08:19 PM
i use this thing and notice a lot of different....my computer boots 40 seconds faster.
if you just install winxp.....you won't notice the different....give winxp a few days.....because winxp will notice how many device need to load.....
try use bootvis...again....
I've been running XP for around 2 or 3 weeks now. It takes about 40 seconds to complete the bootup from the time I push the power button till I can start running apps. And this is with my cable connection, Zone alarm, ICQ, & Mcafee all starting up at bootup.
All of this only took about 25 seconds with Win98SE though.
Usually the computer would lag when entering Windows now its just a straight load everything with no worries and the reboot time is even faster.. Closes everything in a jiffy!
Softwebdev
11-08-01, 12:15 AM
make sure you defrag your hard drive and use bootvis to MAXIMIZE performance
the reason why your loading or shuting thing down is SLOW because you forget this important TRICK
You can tell winxp to load everything at 1 or load 1 thing at 1 time...loading everything at 1 is the FASTEST
also you can tell winxp to shut down everything within 3 seconds when shut down
if you have this trick, your computer will fly.
when i had w2k, it took 2 minutes and 40 seconds to lead everything
when i have xp pro, 1 min and 3 seconds...there is a lot of improvement
1 more trick.............if you have intel motherboard, download the application accelaration and hard drive driver from intel.com
if you do all the things i mentioned here, your computer will FLY
MONEY BACK guarantee
Softwebdev
11-08-01, 12:17 AM
bootvis can troubleshoot hibernate or standby problem if you have any.
while downloading bootvis at microsoft.com, download powertool for winxp from microsoft
these combination is SWEET.
Well everytime I run Optimize system, I'll restart like it asks. Then when it reboots It'll say it's optimizing the system so I leave it. Then a little while later I'll get an error stating that it connot load the needed services, that I should maually run Defrag before running the windows tracer. So I did. Then I went in and ran the tracer. Did I do that right? It boots up maybe about 5 seconds faster if that.
I wonder how my machine boots so fast since you guys are taking longer on faster or same speed boxes. ne body running xp on an 8k7a like me?
Methods for improving BIOS POST depend on the BIOS core the system uses. Work closely with your BIOS vendors to minimize BIOS POST time. Here are some general tips that may help you improve in this area:
Do not clear memory if there's no memory error detection.
Windows Me and Windows 2000 do not expect memory to be cleared before loading the operating system on PCs shipped without memory error detection or correction hardware (ECC/parity).
Remove advertisements from expansion ROMs.
(This is commonly an issue with video BIOS. We have also seen this with network adapters.)
Use smaller centered OEM logo screens during POST rather than large bitmaps. Testing has shown an improvement of up to 2 seconds in POST related to the size of the OEM logo bitmap.
If the PC does not support ATA expansion past a single hard drive and CD/DVD, configure the BIOS to not look for other devices on the primary and secondary ATA channels.
Connect the hard disk and CD-ROM/DVD to the primary ATA controller as Device 0 and Device 1.
Testing has shown that doing this does not degrade system/multimedia performance on systems with 64 MB of RAM or more.
Program ATA transfers for the maximum rate.
Many BIOSes focus only on loading the operating system, and then the operating system driver enables maximum transfer mode/DMA after it loads. Several seconds can be saved if the BIOS enables higher transfer rates. This is particularly important when resuming from hibernate and during the early portions of a cold boot.
Use a legacy-free BIOS.
This will eliminate unnecessary delays such as ISA Plug and Play.
Use Simple Boot Flag so that the boot order begins with hard drive for the normal boot scenario.
On systems with CD-ROM boot order set as first on normal boot, if a disc is in the tray, the CD-ROM must be spun up to determine whether the CD in the tray is bootable. This can delay boot by several seconds.
Windows Me has full support for the Simple Boot Flag, which can help improve BIOS POST time for both cold boot and resume from hibernate. By using Simple Boot Flag, time-consuming configuration and test procedures in the BIOS can be isolated to a failed boot path. The normal boot path can eliminate these processes, dramatically speeding up BIOS POST.
For cold boot, Windows clears the Simple Boot flag during the VMM_INIT portion of boot.
For a resume from hibernate, Windows Me clears the Simple Boot flag after reading the hibernate file but before the display is turned back on (Implemented after Windows Me Beta 3).
For information about Simple Boot Flag, see http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/desinit/simp_bios.htm
To prepare a PC for measuring boot time, perform the following tasks:
Ensure the complete pre-loaded configuration is on the system.
Set the display to 800 x 600 x 16 bpp.
Set all actions for power schemes in power management to Never:
In Control Panel, click the Power Options icon.
Set Power Schemes to Always On.
Set System Standby to Never.
Set Turn Off Monitor to Never.
Set Turn Off Hard Disks to Never.
Configure network setup:
In Control Panel, click the Network icon.
Select Family Logon for the Primary Network Logon field.
Make sure the logon name has a password of at least 1 character. This will ensure a Logon dialog appears.
Tip: Use a network logon when measuring boot times even if your system doesn't ship with a Logon dialog enabled, because this configuration setting makes it much easier to isolate boot issues to investigate differences.
Preparing to Measure Boot Time
Before gathering boot data, perform the following tasks:
Turn on the Windows F8 boot menu:
Start Msconfig.exe.
Click the Advanced button.
Check the Enable Startup Menu box.
Click OK twice and reboot the PC.
Create batch file for Post-Logon times:
From the Start menu, click Run and type:
Notepad c:\timing.bat
Type the following contents for the file:
Echo stop timing
Save the file and exit Notepad.
Add Timing.bat to the Run key in the system registry:
From the Start menu, click Run and type:
regedit
In Regedit, go to this Registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run
From the Regedit menu, click Edit > New > String Value and type the following in the Value Data field:
ZZBOOT
From the Regedit menu, click Edit > New >String Value and type the following in the Value Data field:
c:\timing.bat
Click OK, exit the Registry Editor, and reboot the PC.
Note: The Run key is processed in the order in which items are added to it. Please make sure the ZZBOOT entry is the last item added before Timings.bat to ensure that all items in the pre-load configuration are being measured.
Measuring the Three Phases of Boot
To measure BIOS POST time:
Turn the PC power on while starting the stop watch.
Hold down the CTRL key while the BIOS is POSTing.
When you see the Windows F8 Boot menu, press the stop watch button to stop timing.
Record the time on the stop watch. This is the system's BIOS POST time.
To measure Pre-Logon time:
From the Boot menu, press Enter on the first selection (Normal) while starting the stop watch.
When the Logon box appears on the screen, press the stop watch button to stop timing.
Record the time on the stop watch. This is the system's Pre-Logon time.
Allow system to settle for 15 seconds.
This will eliminate any inconsistencies because of RunServices items processing in the middle of Post-Logon timings, which could skew results.
To measure Post-Logon time:
In the Logon dialog, type the password.
Press Enter while at same time starting the stop watch.
When the window for C:\Timing.bat appears on the screen, press the stop watch button to stop timing.
Record the time on the stop watch. This is the system's Post-Logon time.
Deviations in Boot Times
The following items have been known to cause deviations in measuring boot times:
Monitors: Monitors have been observed to effect BIOS POST and Pre-Logon time.
ATA devices: ATA configuration has been observed to affect BIOS POST and Pre-Logon time.
Network environment: Testing on systems that include a network adapter should be done on a small private network. Network traffic can cause large deviations in measuring boot and resume from hibernate times.
Startup items: Lots of items loaded from the Run key and Startup group have been observed to cause very large deviations in Post-Logon times.
Softwebdev
11-08-01, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by el
To prepare a PC for measuring boot time, perform the following tasks:
Ensure the complete pre-loaded configuration is on the system.
Set the display to 800 x 600 x 16 bpp.
Set all actions for power schemes in power management to Never:
In Control Panel, click the Power Options icon.
Set Power Schemes to Always On.
Set System Standby to Never.
Set Turn Off Monitor to Never.
Set Turn Off Hard Disks to Never.
Configure network setup:
In Control Panel, click the Network icon.
Select Family Logon for the Primary Network Logon field.
Make sure the logon name has a password of at least 1 character. This will ensure a Logon dialog appears.
Tip: Use a network logon when measuring boot times even if your system doesn't ship with a Logon dialog enabled, because this configuration setting makes it much easier to isolate boot issues to investigate differences.
Preparing to Measure Boot Time
Before gathering boot data, perform the following tasks:
Turn on the Windows F8 boot menu:
Start Msconfig.exe.
Click the Advanced button.
Check the Enable Startup Menu box.
Click OK twice and reboot the PC.
Create batch file for Post-Logon times:
From the Start menu, click Run and type:
Notepad c:\timing.bat
Type the following contents for the file:
Echo stop timing
Save the file and exit Notepad.
Add Timing.bat to the Run key in the system registry:
From the Start menu, click Run and type:
regedit
In Regedit, go to this Registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run
From the Regedit menu, click Edit > New > String Value and type the following in the Value Data field:
ZZBOOT
From the Regedit menu, click Edit > New >String Value and type the following in the Value Data field:
c:\timing.bat
Click OK, exit the Registry Editor, and reboot the PC.
Note: The Run key is processed in the order in which items are added to it. Please make sure the ZZBOOT entry is the last item added before Timings.bat to ensure that all items in the pre-load configuration are being measured.
Measuring the Three Phases of Boot
To measure BIOS POST time:
Turn the PC power on while starting the stop watch.
Hold down the CTRL key while the BIOS is POSTing.
When you see the Windows F8 Boot menu, press the stop watch button to stop timing.
Record the time on the stop watch. This is the system's BIOS POST time.
To measure Pre-Logon time:
From the Boot menu, press Enter on the first selection (Normal) while starting the stop watch.
When the Logon box appears on the screen, press the stop watch button to stop timing.
Record the time on the stop watch. This is the system's Pre-Logon time.
Allow system to settle for 15 seconds.
This will eliminate any inconsistencies because of RunServices items processing in the middle of Post-Logon timings, which could skew results.
To measure Post-Logon time:
In the Logon dialog, type the password.
Press Enter while at same time starting the stop watch.
When the window for C:\Timing.bat appears on the screen, press the stop watch button to stop timing.
Record the time on the stop watch. This is the system's Post-Logon time.
Deviations in Boot Times
The following items have been known to cause deviations in measuring boot times:
Monitors: Monitors have been observed to effect BIOS POST and Pre-Logon time.
ATA devices: ATA configuration has been observed to affect BIOS POST and Pre-Logon time.
Network environment: Testing on systems that include a network adapter should be done on a small private network. Network traffic can cause large deviations in measuring boot and resume from hibernate times.
Startup items: Lots of items loaded from the Run key and Startup group have been observed to cause very large deviations in Post-Logon times.
where do you get all information like this? HOLY SMOKE.....it's a long process
Softwebdev
11-08-01, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by el
I wonder how my machine boots so fast since you guys are taking longer on faster or same speed boxes. ne body running xp on an 8k7a like me?
mine only boots 1 minute 5 seconds...and u?
That's a really long process... Too long lol
Softwebdev
11-08-01, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Yodums
That's a really long process... Too long lol
mine only boots 1 minute 5 seconds...and u?
is it too long to boot 35 things at the start up?
Lemme just restart now and see!
Takes me 46 Seconds from the time I hit the Power ON Button.
Originally posted by Yodums
Takes me 46 Seconds from the time I hit the Power ON Button.
Thats just about how long mine takes to boot up. So I guess I'm not doing to bad. My dads system boots up in about 20 secs.
hiamperage
11-08-01, 06:52 PM
Mine just says optomizing and greys out the letters below it and sits like that forever... i dont know if its doing anything because i have no ide light..
is that normal?? it sat for a hour and didnt appear to do anything
even cancel is greyed
Originally posted by hiamperage
Mine just says optomizing and greys out the letters below it and sits like that forever... i dont know if its doing anything because i have no ide light..
is that normal?? it sat for a hour and didnt appear to do anything
even cancel is greyed
Try it again.. The cancel seems to have to be greyed out while its "optimizing" and ... Thats all I can think of heh.
Softwebdev
11-08-01, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by Yodums
Takes me 46 Seconds from the time I hit the Power ON Button.
what kind of hard drive you have ? SCSI?
how many data you have in your computer?
how many things load in the start up menu?
Originally posted by Softwebdev
mine only boots 1 minute 5 seconds...and u?
is it too long to boot 35 things at the start up?
35 things are you a server?
Originally posted by Softwebdev
what kind of hard drive you have ? SCSI?
how many data you have in your computer?
how many things load in the start up menu?
I have a Quantm Fireball AS 7200 RPM and a Quantm Fireball 5gig(Nothing inside of it yet)
I have 5gigs in my computer as of right now..
Start Menu has loads of stuff.
Softwebdev
11-08-01, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Yodums
I have a Quantm Fireball AS 7200 RPM and a Quantm Fireball 5gig(Nothing inside of it yet)
I have 5gigs in my computer as of right now..
Start Menu has loads of stuff.
no wonder why your computer fast....you don't have a lot of **** inside your computer......
I've got only 5 gigs used on my 20 gig maxtor which is my boot drive. My second harddrive which is my quantum is a 15 gig and is pretty well full. Plus 2 CD burners. Everything is in my sig along with a WinTV card as well.
Originally posted by bdf24
I've got only 5 gigs used on my 20 gig maxtor which is my boot drive. My second harddrive which is my quantum is a 15 gig and is pretty well full. Plus 2 CD burners. Everything is in my sig along with a WinTV card as well.
LOL why two burners?
I only have one my Mitsumi 4x4x8 ehheeh slow one :)
Originally posted by Softwebdev
no wonder why your computer fast....you don't have a lot of **** inside your computer......
... Before when I was using Beta 2525 or something my boot time was faster when I had ton's of stuff in .
I use to burners because I backup a lot of my games. Most of the newer games have the SD2 protections. Mitsumi's will not back them up reliably. The Acer or any phillips drives will. So I bought the Acer after that Copy protection came out. I keep the mitsumi cause it very relable and seems to make more reliable images files. I think it reads CD's much better then the Acer does. I would like to get rid of both of them and get a new Plex 24. I hear there just awesome and will backup SD2 as well as anything else. Just don't have the money right now.
Originally posted by bdf24
I use to burners because I backup a lot of my games. Most of the newer games have the SD2 protections. Mitsumi's will not back them up reliably. The Acer or any phillips drives will. So I bought the Acer after that Copy protection came out. I keep the mitsumi cause it very relable and seems to make more reliable images files. I think it reads CD's much better then the Acer does. I would like to get rid of both of them and get a new Plex 24. I hear there just awesome and will backup SD2 as well as anything else. Just don't have the money right now.
What speeds are that Mitsumi?
Mine is a 4x4x8 and it seems to work better than other faster version reading way better than those other burners .. Still good.
Softwebdev
11-09-01, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by Yodums
... Before when I was using Beta 2525 or something my boot time was faster when I had ton's of stuff in .
just my C alone is 11 GB data already.......D (swap file) 1 GB....E(MP3 files) over 2 GB files...F (DATA): 11 GB data G(documents) 500 mb.....
boot only 1 min 5 seconds in winxp and 2 min 40 second in w2k.
how many stuff you have in your computer then ?
Originally posted by Yodums
What speeds are that Mitsumi?
Mine is a 4x4x8 and it seems to work better than other faster version reading way better than those other burners .. Still good.
The speeds are 4x4x24x. Yes it does seem to read better then most other drives.
I only have 10gigs filled now..
Some Mp3'z and my programs ...!
Softwebdev
11-09-01, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Yodums
I only have 10gigs filled now..
Some Mp3'z and my programs ...!
keep filling up........dude............
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