Sony gets its' first taste of failure in the gaming world

[FudgeNuggets]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30685

hopefully this makes them more cautious with the PS3 as the PSP has been a losing effort since day 1 due to price of unit and accessories (mem stix), lack of games and expensive movies.

[Atari]

No... I would say that SWG is their first failure.. then EQ2 .. then PS3 (maybe)...

[FudgeNuggets]

The Final Fantast hard drive was a big one too that I almost forgot about and the collosal blunder that was the PSX. Geez how could I forget that $700-$1000 flub?

[zexmarquies01]

meh, i hope they kill off movies for the PSP.

i sold mine a few months ago. and the #1 reason was that, THERE WERE ALMOST NO GAMES FOR THE STUPID HAND HELD!. it had every friggen new release that came out for a year. Hundreds of movies. But hand full of games.

pfft, if they made games that are alot of fun, multiplayer, Internet capable, then the PSP sales might have been higher. and they wouldn't have gotten stuck in this little problem.

maybe this will knock some sense into them, to try to get more GAMES made for a portable GAMING machine.

pfft, gaming isn't about watching movies on the go. its about...*GASP!* PLAYING GAMES! ( wow...who woulda thought, huh? )

there's a reason why we have portable DVD players. we can use all of our current DVD's, that we already bought. have a larger screen than what the PSP can give. And don't have to re-buy our movie collection.

i'm tired of sony trying to make some stupid proprietary ( spelling? ) hardware/media. So they can force money into their prockets. If they would just make what the people want, money will be falling from the sky, ontop of their heads.

/end rant.

[ziggo0]

Sadly I want a PSP...manly only because of GTA...but the FPS is rather low in it...

[OC Noob]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30685

hopefully this makes them more cautious with the PS3 as the PSP has been a losing effort since day 1 due to price of unit and accessories (mem stix), lack of games and expensive movies.

That is not what the article is about at all, you are reading WAY too much into and coming up with stuff thats not there.

The article is about UMD movies and their failure. Which, IMO was doomed to fail because people don't want to pay DVD prices for a movie they can only watch on the PSP. I thought packaging it with a DVD and charging $50 or so more would work, but hasn't materialized.

Anyway, this article says nothing about the PSP being a losing effort. Its sold 10-15 million units (right around the number DS is at) and there are pleanty of games for it now when compared to a similar system that has been out for 6 months longer than it. Check out your favorite review site and you'll see the PSP has MANY more quality games (by the numbers and ratings) than the DS and hasn't been out as long. Disclaimer: Yes you can play GBA games on the DS, but you can play them on a $40 GBA without having to purchase a DS.


I agree that the movies have failed, that Sony is just F'ing retarded for making everything they manufacture proprietary, but the PSP can hardly be called a failure capturing 50% of the next gen handheld gaming market in a market that has been dominated by 1 company for well over a decade.

Disclaimer: I am not saying DS sucks, just comparing the PSP to the industry leader's product as a refernece for proof of non-failureness.


ps you guys need to check out a game review site and see the 8/10 and 9/10 games that have been released for the PSP. The last few months have been pretty good.


www.gamespot.com

They tend to be tough on games and have a few reviews that are idiots, but are better than most sites.

8/10 and above and remeber these guys tend to be a 0.5-1.0 lower than most sites for all systems when compared to places like Ign or other review sites. Thus, don't be suprised that there are no 10/10 or even 9.5/10. The best score they've give in the last few years was a 9.6 for refernce.

Daxter 9.1 Mar 15, 2006
Burnout Legends 9.0 Sep 9, 2005
Lumines 9.0 Mar 4, 2005
Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror 8.8 Mar 14, 2006
World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 8.8 Feb 10, 2006
Wipeout Pure 8.8 Mar 18, 2005
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 8.7 Nov 11, 2005
FIFA 06 8.7 Oct 27, 2005
MLB '06: The Show 8.6 Mar 1, 2006
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories 8.6 Oct 28, 2005
Mega Man Powered Up 8.5 Mar 13, 2006
WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 8.5 Dec 15, 2005
Twisted Metal: Head-On 8.5 Mar 18, 2005
Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix 8.5 Mar 16, 2005
X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse 8.4 Oct 20, 2005
SSX On Tour 8.4 Oct 17, 2005
FIFA Soccer 8.3 Apr 27, 2005
Ridge Racer 8.3 Mar 18, 2005
Metal Gear Acid 2 8.2 Mar 21, 2006
Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX 8.2 Feb 6, 2006
Tokobot 8.2 Dec 6, 2005
Virtua Tennis: World Tour 8.2 Oct 21, 2005
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 8.2 Mar 24, 2005
Metal Gear Acid 8.2 Mar 23, 2005
Mega Man Maverick Hunter X 8.1 Jan 30, 2006
Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower 8.1 Mar 17, 2005
Me and My Katamari 8.0 Mar 17, 2006
Pursuit Force 8.0 Mar 7, 2006
Exit 8.0 Feb 14, 2006
Kingdom of Paradise 8.0 Nov 15, 2005
MLB

7/10

Ultimate Block Party 7.9 Jan 6, 2006
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 7.9 Oct 18, 2005
Madden NFL 06 7.9 Sep 19, 2005
Need for Speed Underground Rivals 7.9 Mar 17, 2005
Capcom Classics Collection Remixed 7.8 Mar 21, 2006
Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 7.8 May 9, 2005
Archer Maclean's Mercury 7.8 Apr 5, 2005
MVP Baseball 7.7 May 27, 2005
NBA Street Showdown 7.7 Apr 26, 2005
NBA Live 06 7.6 Oct 11, 2005
World Tour Soccer 7.6 Mar 18, 2005
Dragon Ball Z: Shin Budokai 7.5 Mar 9, 2006
Armored Core: Formula Front 7.5 Dec 16, 2005
World Championship Poker 2: Featuring Howard Lederer 7.5 Dec 14, 2005
Namco Museum Battle Collection 7.5 Aug 24, 2005
Prince of Persia Revelations 7.4 Dec 14, 2005
PoPoLoCrois 7.3 Dec 13, 2005
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 7.3 Nov 28, 2005
Frogger Helmet Chaos 7.3 Oct 8, 2005
Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition 7.3 Jun 30, 2005
Ape Escape: On the Loose 7.3 Mar 24, 2005
Infected 7.2 Nov 16, 2005
NFL Street 2 Unleashed 7.2 Mar 24, 2005
MX vs. ATV Unleashed: On the Edge 7.1 Mar 2, 2006
Pinball Hall of Fame 7.1 Dec 12, 2005
The Legend of Heroes: A Tear of Vermillion 7.1 Dec 1, 2005
PQ: Practical Intelligence Quotient 7.0 Jan 11, 2006
Crash Tag Team Racing 7.0 Nov 30, 2005
ATV Offroad Fury: Blazin' Trails 7.0



DS

8/10+

Mario Kart DS 9.2 Nov 14, 2005
Advance Wars: Dual Strike 9.2 Aug 19, 2005
Nintendogs 9.1 Aug 19, 2005
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time 8.9 Nov 29, 2005
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow 8.9 Oct 5, 2005
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 8.8 Oct 10, 2005
Metroid Prime: Hunters 8.6 Mar 23, 2006
Kirby: Canvas Curse 8.6 Jun 13, 2005
Meteos 8.5 Jun 24, 2005
Animal Crossing: Wild World 8.4 Dec 6, 2005
Tony Hawk's American Sk8land 8.4 Nov 16, 2005
Super Mario 64 DS 8.4 Nov 19, 2004
Age of Empires: The Age of Kings 8.2 Feb 13, 2006
Sonic Rush 8.2 Nov 14, 2005
Metroid Prime Pinball 8.2


7/10

Resident Evil: Deadly Silence 7.9 Feb 6, 2006
Trauma Center: Under the Knife 7.8 Oct 6, 2005
Bomberman 7.8 Jun 24, 2005
Zoo Keeper 7.8 Jan 21, 2005
Feel the Magic: XY/XX 7.7 Nov 19, 2004
Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble 7.6 Nov 17, 2005
FIFA 06 7.6 Oct 17, 2005
Tetris DS 7.5 Mar 17, 2006
Mega Man Battle Network 5: Double Team 7.5 Nov 8, 2005
Asphalt: Urban GT 7.5 Nov 19, 2004
Battles of Prince of Persia 7.4 Dec 19, 2005
Madden NFL 06 7.4 Aug 19, 2005
Bust-A-Move DS 7.3 Jan 12, 2006
Electroplankton 7.3 Jan 6, 2006
Lost in Blue 7.3 Oct 6, 2005
Puyo Pop Fever 7.3 Jun 14, 2005
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 7.3 May 13, 2005
World Championship Poker 7.3 Apr 29, 2005
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 7.3 Dec 17, 2004
The Urbz: Sims in the City 7.3 Nov 23, 2004
Super Princess Peach 7.2 Feb 24, 2006
Tak: The Great Juju Challenge 7.2 Oct 12, 2005
Frogger Helmet Chaos 7.2 Oct 8, 2005
Trace Memory 7.2 Sep 26, 2005
Need for Speed Underground 2 7.2 May 26, 2005
Yoshi Touch & Go 7.2 Mar 11, 2005
WarioWare: Touched! 7.2 Feb 11, 2005
Madden NFL 2005 7.2 Nov 19, 2004
Pokemon Trozei! 7.1 Mar 15, 2006
Pac 'n Roll 7.1


Now that is not a bad library for a system thats, what, about a year old.

[cornbread]

that Sony is just F'ing retarded for making everything they manufacture proprietary

I couldn't agree more, when oh when will Sony get out of that grove. We can only hope, maybe then I will support Sony again. The 2 reasons I hate Sony are proprietary and the root kit situation.

I will be the first to say that they do make some awesome products though, I owned a ps2 before I got burned out on it and sold it, then last weekend I was browsing for a tv and came up to a Sony flatscreen and stood in awe, it was amazing the difference in quality, but at the same time it was the most expensive tv there, for 50 dollars more compared to similar products.

[EvilCloudStrife]

I couldn't agree more, when oh when will Sony get out of that grove. We can only hope, maybe then I will support Sony again. The 2 reasons I hate Sony are proprietary and the root kit situation.

I will be the first to say that they do make some awesome products though, I owned a ps2 before I got burned out on it and sold it, then last weekend I was browsing for a tv and came up to a Sony flatscreen and stood in awe, it was amazing the difference in quality, but at the same time it was the most expensive tv there, for 50 dollars more compared to similar products.

i couldnt help but see at the bottem of your signature where it says boycott sony/bmg.. why? Is this because of the root kit?

[tenchi86]

Yeah, I don't see how movies failing on a gaming device mean that the gaming device has failed. After all it's originally a gaming device and a Movie/Music player second. Anyway Sony has had plenty of failures, and honestly I am glad, because after all we learn from our mistakes. Though the PSP I don't believe is one. The fact they can even touch the gameboy sales which have dominated the market basically since its exsistence is amazing. The selection of games they have is also doing very well IMO but that is of course up to you to decided.

[blueswitch]

I'm just glad to see UMD movies fail...Sony always comes up with these proprietary storage devices and *gasp* what do you know they are always the most expensive ones. UMD movies were never gonna sell well because DVD's are so cheep you can't market a UMD any cheeper and people are gonna buy the DVD first. Maybe as a bundle increase the price by like $10..so you own the DVD and UMD for $30 out the door. I like what I heard the other day about Revolution possibly using SD media for storage...operability with the memory cards I already buy?...now there's a good idea...stop reinventing the wheel and making me pay for your retooling costs.

[SuperFarStucker]

UMD was just a bad idea. I'm not particularly fond of the psp though, but I find the DS only mildly more interesting. Never been a big fan of portable gaming I guess.

[stereo555]

Glad to hear Sony is failing in the media department .... with all the stupid and unstable , untested copy protection crap they have , even on music cd's and including backing up legally purchased DVD's is a real pain too ; they deserve what ever failures come their way . . Just my opinion :p

[Cyrix_2k]

Most people don't want to purchase a movie twice which gives DVD preference. My nieghbor just rips his own DVD's and puts them on his 1 gig memmory stick. It's a great solution IMO.

[cornbread]

i couldnt help but see at the bottem of your signature where it says boycott sony/bmg.. why? Is this because of the root kit?

Yep. I also mentioned why in my post :) .

[deathman20]

UMD was just a bad idea. I'm not particularly fond of the psp though, but I find the DS only mildly more interesting. Never been a big fan of portable gaming I guess.

I thought the UMD idea was bad also. Expecially movie was, game wise its not bad.

The thing is the PSP is just more then a mobile gaming platform now and will be even more so in the future with newer fireware releases and such. DS is also opening up a little more too. Either way its good for the market to have competition. Nintendo has been dominate in this market for a while so its nice to have another competitior.

[OC Noob]

Anyone playing Untold Legends: Warriors Code?

The first game to me was a stinker because I just couldn't get into the story line at all and had to use an Xboxconnect like service to play online multiplayer, but this version seems to have fixed a lot of the 1st games problems and even has real cutscenes and voice acting to help make the story more engaging.

If anyone else has it, let me know we can hook up online.


ps this game is getting 6/10 kind of ratings so if yo don't like dungeon crawlers like dungeon seige or gauntlet style games don't even bother, but it does seem to be a quality dungeon crawler if you like them. It just seems like critics and gamers alike are getting tired of the genre, which has truthful been pretty stagnant. Anyway, if you are playing let me know:)

[TekeTorvo]

No... I would say that SWG is their first failure.. then EQ2 .. then PS3 (maybe)...

I disagree with your EQ2 philosophy 100%. If you ask anyone that has been, or currently still is a die hard EQ1 or 2 player, most will tell you SOE's policies are/were the doom of EQ2. Nothing else. EQ2 is a very solid game.

[Banyan]

then EQ2 .. then PS3 (maybe)...

eq2 is no failure and on top of that the game gets better all the time. and the second comment is complete bs speculation since the ps3 isn't even out.

[deathman20]

eq2 is no failure and on top of that the game gets better all the time. and the second comment is complete bs speculation since the ps3 isn't even out.


I agree on that.

EQ2 just appeals to a different group of people. It might not be as popular as WoW but its slightly different gameplay also.

[TekeTorvo]

I want to clarify my comment if I may. EQ2 is an awesome game. With that being said, the recent server mergers happened because of SOE's policies causing people to stop playing, therefore, the servers were not very populated.

[Atari]

Pffft!!!!!

I totally disagree with your disagreeance (umm... Yea...). Eq2 "might" be better now, but it was still a flop/failure. They had to gear towards WoW (not complaining about that) and they just had a server merge (i.e not many are playing). I don't understand what you mean by SoE's policies making players leave the game? People usually leave games because the game sucked. I *think* people left the game because the game didn't have a direction. I have been looking at it lately though since my copy has been collecting dust so maybe I'll give it another go, but so far they are churning out expansions again at $30 a pop instead of just working on the game they got. Sorry though there has to be something wrong when eq2 has to merge servers and WoW is adding new ones.

I'm not playing WoW anymore either so... meh. :)

P.S about the PS3; I said (maybe) meaning, it could be or possibly be. Just speculation.

[Avg]

When I got my PSP just a couple of months ago, there were no good games out, I had to get something so I got Ridge Racer which in my opinion is crap, but since I had bought the PSP mostly because it could also play songs and go online I didn't care much, that was until I heard that there was a GT4 mobile and it was supposed to have been released when the PSP was released but I haven't heard a word about it for months.

All I want is my GT4 mobile that is all, just one decent racing game is all I ask.


And.....the UMD movie thing was stupid for the reasons mentioned above, all a UMD movie is is a DVD compressed to fit into the disc, well I can do that myself and put it on a the memory card.

[Zerolus]

Yeah I really see no point in paying another $20 for a movie I already own when I can just rip it to some flash media.

[deathman20]

All I want is my GT4 mobile that is all, just one decent racing game is all I ask.

Suppositly its coming this June if not mistaken.

[TreeNode]

I bought the PSP for one reason: portable GTA... when it FINALLY came out, I wasn't really impressed. It was the entire GTA3 map with a couple new cars/music and a different story. The game also looks a little slow on the frames... oh well... One of the original things that caught my eye was how the PSP was going to be able to "talk" with the PS3 somehow. That's the only reason I'm sticking around to keeping mine. Maybe it'll stream movies from the PS3 to my portable?

[Avg]

Suppositly its coming this June if not mistaken.

Hopefully it will, and that will be more then a year after it was supposed to have been released.

[deathman20]

Hopefully it will, and that will be more then a year after it was supposed to have been released.

At least they make good products and theres always a good reason for a delay. I can't wait.

[OC Noob]

I bought the PSP for one reason: portable GTA... when it FINALLY came out, I wasn't really impressed. It was the entire GTA3 map with a couple new cars/music and a different story. The game also looks a little slow on the frames... oh well... One of the original things that caught my eye was how the PSP was going to be able to "talk" with the PS3 somehow. That's the only reason I'm sticking around to keeping mine. Maybe it'll stream movies from the PS3 to my portable?


You weren't impressed? I'd like to know what impresses you because its pretty much GTAIII and VC mixed and if there is anything on a handheld that can come close to GTAIII/VC I'd love to play it. Seriously, if you compare it to SA, then sure its not impressive, but this is a portable gaming device.

I can't think of a single game that is on the same scope as LCS on a handheld. Its amazing that they fit everything in that they did. Heck, if they had multiplayer with infrastucture it would have been better than VC.

Anyway, check out Daxter if you like platformers like Jak, or check out Syphenfilter if you like shooter (the best shoot on any handheld) or check out Burnout if you are looking for that AAA racer (hint, hint) or SOCOM if you want another great portable shooter, or X-Men Legends II if you like duneon crawler style RPG type gaming or Kingdom of Paradise if you like action-rpgs.

Seriously, if you can't find a game you really like then you aren't trying hard enough or your expectations aren't suited for portable gaming... possibly both.

ps think of it this way, the only thing that is the same about LCS and GTAIII (other than shared mechanics and features through out the series GTAIII-GTA:SA) are the city and some of that has changed a bit too.

[Albaholic]

I loved reading about the umd failure. However, I dont think sony will ever get out of the habit of using propietary formats because it nets them so much more money. Im tired of seeing people support sony just because they're...sony. My uncle for example knows nothing about computers but is willing to dish out almost 3k for a sony laptop. His main reason..its a sony. I dont deny they sometimes put out quality products, but never at a competitive price point.

/rant

[jadakada]

I agree with the person above me, I mean there older stuff in the 80s and 90s were extremely good quality and probably justified their prices with that quality. But lately you can buy electronic equipment for 25-50% less then what sony offers for almost the same quality. The thing that really irks me is when my parents want to buy a sony for some insane price even though there is something right next to it for half the price and has a better warrenty. People need to wake up and see that Sony is no longer that much better then anyone else making the same products, it might still be better, but not 25% higher price better.

[da_spork]

I'm also on the same side as the UMD movies being ridiculous. At the gamestop in town, it runs more for a newer released UMD movie than a dvd, and you can only watch it on your psp =\

I kinda wish sony would lighten up a bit about homebrew software though, it adds so much more to the system, but then it's completely understandable as to why they don't (piracy :()

[TreeNode]

You weren't impressed?

Heck, if they had multiplayer with infrastucture it would have been better than VC.

I might have not been as impressed by the game but since I just got Oblivion after GTA, I wasn't really interested. It's just such a great game with so many details that can't be seen on a small screen. Plus, the game is really dark, you can turn up the brightness but that doesn't completely help.

As for multiplayer, from what I understand, the PSP GTA version CAN be played in multiplayer (4 player). There's also a way to get SA or VC on PC to play multiplayer.

[OC Noob]

I might have not been as impressed by the game but since I just got Oblivion after GTA, I wasn't really interested. It's just such a great game with so many details that can't be seen on a small screen. Plus, the game is really dark, you can turn up the brightness but that doesn't completely help.

As for multiplayer, from what I understand, the PSP GTA version CAN be played in multiplayer (4 player). There's also a way to get SA or VC on PC to play multiplayer.


Yeah, compared to something like Oblivion or SA it isn't impressive, but compared to other handheld games its pretty sweet. For the brightness, I have a hard time playing handhelds in bright outside areas. Inside they seem to be fine, but even in shade outside the screens seem to be hard as heck to see.

I like the GTA:LCS multiplayer, its pretty cool, but I wish it suported infrastructure where you could play against people online instead of just people on the same router as you via ADHOC. People at services like Xboxconnect were working on online play, but were having problems getting it to work. It would have been much nicer to play anyone in the world anywhere there is a hotspot though.

I am glad more PSP games are finally supporting Infrastructure mode now. Playing online even on the go is sweet. Now we just need more support for the SOCOM headset. PSP online play with voice chat is even better.

[Kenshiro]

It's not surprising to see UMD movies failed. Who wants to spend $20 on UMD movie, where they can get a DVD movie for the same price?

However, there are always success and failures. I don't think there is a company out there that has 100% success rate for everything they produce.

[Herr Rogers]

No... I would say that SWG is their first failure.. then EQ2 .. then PS3 (maybe)...
How dare you. I'm in love with EQII

[Cyrix_2k]

However, there are always success and failures. I don't think there is a company out there that has 100% success rate for everything they produce.
ID software seems to have a great success rate :)

[deathman20]

ID software seems to have a great success rate :)

Well there are rarities.

[TreeNode]

I don't think there is a company out there that has 100% success rate for everything they produce.

This depends upon long-term or short-term goals...

For example, look how successful this 1,400 year old company has been:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=3&ObjectID=3504286

[Kenshiro]

ID software seems to have a great success rate :)

Great success rated does not equal to 100% success rate.