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hi guys, need some help on my w/c project:
AMD 64 X2 4400+
Nvidia GeFroce 7900 GT X2
Asus A8E-SLi Deluxe
WD Raptor 74GB X1
160GB SATA X4 (Raid 0+1)
So if I want to cool the CPU, Chip, GPU X2, and also my HDDs, should I use 1 loop set up or use 2? If i need to do 2, should I make the CPU,GPU*2 one and Chip, HDD the other?
BTW: If to cool only the Raptor, could it be 1 loop? but I need 3*120mm Rad? Now i have Swiftech 2*120mm Rad with Danger Den D5 pump, the whole tubing is 1/2"
Thx
1. Pointless to watercool your HDDs.
2. 1 loop is fine for CPU > GPU > Chipset, you're gonna need a BIX-3 / Thermochill 120.3
i see...so you are saying that the Swiftech MCR220 is actually not gonna work on this setting? or i really need a better Rad like 120*3 Rad?
BTW.. is BIX2 and Thermochill 120*2 better than Swiftech MCR220?
What about the HWLabs BIX III at Directron for $49.99?
otogrim
04-04-06, 02:24 PM
You really don't need an BIXIII. The BIXII or Thermochill PA12.2 should be sufficient
What about the HWLabs BIX III at Directron for $49.99?
HWLabs BIX-3 is an amazing rad and would be perfect for your needs.
BTW.. is BIX2 and Thermochill 120*2 better than Swiftech MCR220?
Yes, MCR220 isnt comparable to them.
Oh and Welcome to the Fourms! :welcome:
Thx, Adam, i wonder if i could add your AIm? :P
so one more nooby question. could i use 1/2" to 3/8" barb to connect the tubing to the 3/8" Res? will this effect the performance? or it actually doenst matter?
blah...more and more questions.
I have the U2-UFO case, I could attach the BIX3 Rad to those big 3 120mm fan slots, but should I do intake or outtake? or for better air flow i need to do both?
I was thinking amont then like dis: lol...........could I take the one intake fan out, so make it 3 intake and 2 outtake?
-> l ->
inside -> l outside
-> l ->
otogrim
04-04-06, 02:50 PM
Thx, Adam, i wonder if i could add your AIm? :P
so one more nooby question. could i use 1/2" to 3/8" barb to connect the tubing to the 3/8" Res? will this effect the performance? or it actually doenst matter?
This will restrict your flow quite a bit. I suggest just getting a res that's 1/2". I guarantee you'll be much happier with it. :)
This will restrict your flow quite a bit. I suggest just getting a res that's 1/2". I guarantee you'll be much happier with it. :)
I think you are right, but i just like those 3/8" Res, lol...i will go for a 1/2" res instead, I was about to get this 1/2" Circle Res from Mountain Mods http://mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=218
I wonder if this ok or i need some better res...for me i guess they are all the same, aint they?
thorilan
04-04-06, 02:56 PM
if you have the money and you want silence and plan on cooling all of that i would drop the HD cooler still and go 2 loops with a large case. if you hav ea budget i would also drop chipset and go 1 loop
thegreek
04-04-06, 03:35 PM
1. Pointless to watercool your HDDs.
2. 1 loop is fine for CPU > GPU > Chipset, you're gonna need a BIX-3 / Thermochill 120.3
It's not pointless too watercool the HDDs if you want to cover them up in foam for silence ;)
It's not pointless too watercool the HDDs if you want to cover them up in foam for silence ;)
its pointless and silly.
thegreek
04-04-06, 03:42 PM
its pointless and silly.
don't tell me it pointless and silly, explain why :rolleyes:
citronym
04-04-06, 04:38 PM
its pointless and silly.
This is just another one of his rambling, opinionated and senseless posts.
Watercooling objects like NBs and HDDs are not necessary for the avg wc/oc'er. Thats from saying that there isn't people and situations where it would be ideal, especially in a fanless system. If your set on cooling all that equipment and have the money 2 loops would def be better. All the components on one loop would be restrictive, but could def be done. If you ran a single loop, I think you could get away with a MCR220 rad using strong fans, but the temps might not be as nice as you'd like. Using a 120.3 rad would def help that, but again I dont know that it would be completely necessary. HDDs and NBs don't put out much heat compared to 2 GPUs and a CPU.
Just my thoughts.
This is just another one of his rambling, opinionated and senseless posts.
Watercooling objects like NBs and HDDs are not necessary for the avg wc/oc'er. Thats from saying that there isn't people and situations where it would be ideal, especially in a fanless system. If your set on cooling all that equipment and have the money 2 loops would def be better. All the components on one loop would be restrictive, but could def be done. If you ran a single loop, I think you could get away with a MCR220 rad using strong fans, but the temps might not be as nice as you'd like. Using a 120.3 rad would def help that, but again I dont know that it would be completely necessary. HDDs and NBs don't put out much heat compared to 2 GPUs and a CPU.
Just my thoughts.
NB and HDD is totally different, youll notice SOME difference cooling the chipset.... but cooling the harddrive is retarded.
and I know this from experience, so unless you got raw data to back up what you say, stafoo.
Brinnswift
04-04-06, 04:53 PM
The only reason I would even consider cooling my HDDs is for bragging rights that I'm cooling everything that can be cooled with water :P Same thing with the Chipset cooler, I would not bother just because the results will probably not be worth the cost of the blocks and the restriction of the system. If you're dead set on having a second loop I would keep the CPU and GPUs in one loop and give that better components and such (IE strong pump, bigger rad, etc) and put the Chipset and HDDs on a smaller loop since they don't produce much heat at all, atleast to the point where you need a powerful wc loop to cover them. Good luck!
well...thx guys....but i am getting more and more confused. lol...cant decide wut to do at this point.
I thought a DD D5 could have enough power to cool down the whole kit, 1 CPU, 2 GPU and 1 Chip with a 120mm*3 BIX III, but from some of your opinions, seems like I have to take the chip away. So this leave me a no choise but to cool the HDD also to make 2 loops. otherwise i dont know wut to do with the chipblock and the swiftech 120mm*2 rad.
signz...decision decision!!!! :bang head
thorilan
04-04-06, 05:19 PM
but cooling the harddrive is retarded
ok so daiichi sound studio and great movie inc are stupid companies for me doing just that for them?
again you have stated opinions and presented them as facts based on your idea of what is " retarded" be a bit more objective to other ways and you will find out most things are not black and white such as facts and are shades of grey
citronym
04-04-06, 05:25 PM
I thought a DD D5 could have enough power to cool down the whole kit, 1 CPU, 2 GPU and 1 Chip with a 120mm*3 BIX III
It totally is enough pump for that, and could handle it no problem. But once you add a HDD cooler, and the fact that you considered a second loop, the resistance adds up fast and you could ease it with a second loop (and a second pump). One D5 could run all the equipment (including a HDD cooler) but again, temps might not be as good. Are you going for insane temps? How about noise?
Daddyjaxx
04-04-06, 05:27 PM
Cooling the hard drive is pointless for one reason. Most of the heat comes from the top and bottom of the hard drive. Most water cooling cools the sides of the drive.
ok so daiichi sound studio and great movie inc are stupid companies for me doing just that for them?
again you have stated opinions and presented them as facts based on your idea of what is " retarded" be a bit more objective to other ways and you will find out most things are not black and white such as facts and are shades of grey
daiichi? lol I have no idea what you're talking about :shrug:
thorilan
04-04-06, 05:31 PM
exactly
exactly
think i care? :rolleyes:
It totally is enough pump for that, and could handle it no problem. But once you add a HDD cooler, and the fact that you considered a second loop, the resistance adds up fast and you could ease it with a second loop (and a second pump). One D5 could run all the equipment (including a HDD cooler) but again, temps might not be as good. Are you going for insane temps? How about noise?
Well...i have all quiet fans plus the D5 pump, i assume that the noise level wont be as high as wut i got now, which are 9 fans total in a server case. but yeah, if i go for 2 loops, there should be much more noise? or maybe not?
BTW. i dont really want some insame temps, I just want the pc to be more quiet and cooler than the current fan cooling.
well..Adam and Thorilan, i do appreciate both of your suggestions, but i dont want u guys get mad just ebcause of helping me out! hehe...
Actually I just have to make this decision for 1 loop or 2 loop with HDD cooler. And if it is 1 loop should I drop the chip or not. The point is I just want the system to be quiet and more cool than the fan, but not to have some really really low temp to OC the system.
:P
daiichi...if you are talking about Daiichi Keiki, I know this great company, because I work for Itochu. :P
well..Adam and Thorilan, i do appreciate both of your suggestions, but i dont want u guys get mad just ebcause of helping me out! hehe...
Actually I just have to make this decision for 1 loop or 2 loop with HDD cooler. And if it is 1 loop should I drop the chip or not. The point is I just want the system to be quiet and more cool than the fan, but not to have some really really low temp to OC the system.
:P
You dont need to cool the HDD, but if you really want to....... Go ahead.
thegreek
04-04-06, 06:12 PM
You dont need to cool the HDD, but if you really want to....... Go ahead.
so your saying if I wrap my HHDs in foam and padding to silence them, it's pointless to watercool them and just leave them over heat, right? :rolleyes:
The point in this case is too keep them cool while they are completely wrapped in foam. It's not watercooling them for the sake of performance.
Cooling the hard drive is pointless for one reason. Most of the heat comes from the top and bottom of the hard drive. Most water cooling cools the sides of the drive.
You're wrong, HHDs where designed to release the heat from the sides. ;)
citronym
04-04-06, 07:27 PM
You're wrong, HHDs where designed to release the heat from the sides. ;)
Bingo.
Since temps arent your concern and noise is, that paints a better picture. If you have the space, cash and desire to have 2 loops I see no reason why you shouldn't. Pumps are silent (well ok, not silent...), and using 1 rad for each loop would allow you to use some pretty quiet fans, and still get decent temps. The only fans you would need would be on the rads and the psu's fan (and maybe a couple undervolted case fans). You could take measures to isolate the sound of the hdds w/o them overheating. You would be suprised how quiet of a computer you could put together.
If you ran one loop, temps would be tougher. You would still want to use quiet fans (I imagine), and the MCR220 might get a little warm. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be acceptable temps, but some people like frosty. Using a larger rad would help that obviously. Since you have a CPU block, 2 GPU blocks, a NB block and HDD coolers (in mind) you wouldn't have anywhere near insane flow, but I don't see why it wouldnt be quiet and acceptably cool.
Hard to say where you should go from here.
Citronym,
I think it is right. I got a U2-UFO case, so i guess there is enough room for 2 loops. So here I made the decision:
Loop No.1 DD-D5 with BIXIII with Panaflo Quiet Fans to cool both CPU and 2 GPU
Loop No.2 ViaAqua1300 with BIP 120,, with a Panaflo to cool 2 Raptors and 1 Chip
The only problem is the ViaAqua Pump, many ppl dont like it, but I got it from a friend for free, plus I read some reviews, and I dont see any reason to dumb this one and get a more expensive pump for this small loop.
citronym
04-04-06, 08:52 PM
Feel free to use a free pump, many people have had success with them. Use it till it dies, anyway. For the first loop you def do not need that much rad, the MCR220 you mentioned would work well on that loop, IMO. But it wouldn't hurt anything, and you will have nice temps.
The second loop looks sexy to me.
If this comes through I know many people that would love to see pics.
thorilan
04-04-06, 10:46 PM
i would put the video cards on same loop as hard drives and leave the cpu to its own loop
and change to 2 BIP2 rads if you are in it for silence and can fit them. will be easyer then dealing with a bix3
oops...now I just ordered a BIXIII, i guess i will stick the first loop with BIX III then, and since i exchanged the MCR220 to BIP II, I guess I do have no choice, but keep the 2 GPUs with the first loop. So no more MCR220, signz...lol
citronym
04-05-06, 02:08 AM
No big deal, you obviously aren't with-out your means. That loop with the bix3 will have beautiful temps, and if you run undervolted 38mm fans on it you should have some peace and quiet.
And if I understand you correctly, you picked up a bip2 for the second loop? That would work wonderfully with a pair of 25mm fans undervolted.
You will have all the heat producing components in you system exchanging energy at 2 specific points. Combined with some undervolted case fans and hdd noise isolation, your gonna have top notch temps along with very high class silence.
Have you thought about how to get fresh air to 2 rads in one system yet, while considering the flow of air through your case?
I'm looking forward to seeing some pics of this system.
ok...CItronym, I think you got the point. I am so worry abt the air flow also. Now, I have 2 120mm cooler master quiet fans and 5 Scythe DF series 120mm Super Silent Fans.
I planned to use 3 fans to do outtake on the BIXIII rad to blow the hot air out of the case, and 1 take on it at the mid fan spot, which I think could have enough air flow to cool the loop no.1
Then for the 2nd loop, i will go with 1 intake and 1 outtake.
Since I have to mod the side panel for the case(currently my case doesnt have the side panels), I will drill 2 120mm holes for the fans to suck fresh air into the case.
and here is the link of my case http://mountainmods.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_32&products_id=75
I will update pic later this weekend when I start to work on this project.
BTW...i dont quit get your point of heat <-> energy staff... and what you mean by 38mm and 25mm fans undervolted? shouldn't i use the 120mm fans instead? 5 Scythe fans are free anyway...hehe
well...i actually understand what you meant, but just wonder how could I do the undervolted fans?
when you click on the pic of the case, you can see those fan holes.
I will attach the BIXIII to those 3 120mm slots. and the BIP II to the 120mm on the other side in the front.
Also, there are 1 more 120mm fan and 1 80mm fan slots on the back panel facing towards the 3 120mm holes and 3 80mm holes facing the 5.25" bays. I guess I need 120mm fan spot on the back for my circle Res, and mod 2 120mm fans on the side panels to suck fresh air. (the 2nd res is the 5.25" bay res)
thorilan
04-05-06, 05:51 AM
undervolting is generally done one of 2 ways .
soft undervolting is done by using a rheo like a sunbeam rheo and hard undervolting is physically rewiring what wires go to what pins.
soft undervolting is adjustable as you can guess but hard requires you to undo your previous work
t4runnr
04-05-06, 08:11 AM
what's an outtake? =P
I'm planning on doing dual loops also in the future (only because I have the extra equipment to do it with). So this is a good read for me.
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