quick question if I got ripped off

[aznboi64]

Okay I bought a computer from this guy who said it is an AMD 1.5XP. Now when I turn on the computer I see AMD 1.33mhz. I even use Sisandra to see if it was right and yes it was. I know xp doesn't have 1.33mhz only T-birds do. Whats the stepping suppose to be on the 1.5mhz xp and fsb? Should I complain? Big diff in performance?

[The Coolest]

Athlon XP 1500 (<PR Rating) runs at 1.33Ghz.
Does it show that its the XP or just Ahlon 1.33? If just Ahlon then u should update to the latest BIOS version that is availible for you mobo

That means you weren't ripped off... Its just AMD's STUPID PR ratings.....

[plague]

if by 1.5XP you mean XP 1500+, then you didnt get ripped off, the 1500+ is actually 1.33 ghz.

This is why Im opposed to the model scheming. Normal Joes who shop by mhz, see 1500, and then find out 1500=1330????? its just not right.

[aznboi64]

Thankx fellas. Thats a load off my mind.

[alkaline]

I dont think that AMD's PR ratings are stupid... Their PR ratings are a great marketing move and a 1500 XP (1.33ghz) processor is just as fast as anything intel has at 1.5ghz or even 1.6ghz. Intel started this war by making their processors able to clock at a higher speed but at the same time reducing their performance.... It makes AMD look bad, AMD's only choice is to go back to their PR system to stay afloat. I would flame intel for their shady clock speeds more than AMD.

[aznboi64]

when I go into my control panel and click on systems the cpu is a athlon. Does that mean I should upgrade my mobos bios? Or is that okay? Am I losing performance if it says athlon instead of XP?

[plague]

I dont really think theyre stupid, and for a lot of reasons, they make sense. The only flaw i find is when someone wants to buy one, and they think theyre getting a 1.5 ghz chip, but in reality only getting a 1.33. I totally agree about their performance and I'll never buy an intel again, all im saying is that we have a case here where someone found out the real speed of a chip he thought was faster, and at first thought he got ripped off. But for the most part, I do agree with you alkaline.

[alkaline]

Yeah, it is hard for the average joe to realize that his supposed 1500 is really just 1333. Totally agree with that point :) but the average joe would never figure out his real speed unless he is smart enough to look at his bios. so its kindof the inbetween shmoes that are stuck in the middle.. hehe

[snyper1982]

better to be fooled into getting an amd 1500+ than an intel 1.5ghz :D

[aznboi64]

So since my computer says its a AMD athlon 1333 it means I have an XP 1500?

[minoukat]

snyper1982

better to be fooled into getting an amd 1500+ than an intel 1.5ghz


That's true !

... or a 1.6, 1.7, ... :D

[flounder43]

Yes, that does sound like an XP 1500+

BTW, with regard to getting ripped-off. No, you didn't. The sure way to tell if you got ripped off is to look for this...

[plague]

Originally posted by flounder43
Yes, that does sound like an XP 1500+

BTW, with regard to getting ripped-off. No, you didn't. The sure way to tell if you got ripped off is to look for this...
that one made me laugh...so true, so true

[Christoph]

Originally posted by aznboi64
So since my computer says its a AMD athlon 1333 it means I have an XP 1500? ]

Nope. If it says XP 1500+ upon booting up it's an XP 1500+ (1.33 gHz). If it says Athlon 1333 it's an Athlon 1.33 gHz chip. If it says H-series, you need to flash your BIOS (that's when you wish you had a nice slow Duron as a backup).

[ROH]

here is the best way to tell!

Bios's can be confusing as some mobo companies are using the PR rating others are not!

Turn your computer off, open up the case and carefully remove your heatsink. (Make sure you have some thermal grease you can use when you reaply the HSF) and clean off the CPU. Find out what it says on the top of the CPU, that will tell you.

Guys I need some help on this one I'm to bloody tired to remember exactly how the xp's read different then the T-birds. Snore!

Ok, here is a link to a page on this forum that can show you the difference between the two!

http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45409

[The Coolest]

Originally posted by snyper1982
better to be fooled into getting an amd 1500+ than an intel 1.5ghz :D

Yea, I think its right.
OK, I'm sorry. But I really don't like those PR rating anyhow...
I know that XPs XXXX+ will run faster than the PIV XXXXMHz, but still I think that those rating are confusing. I know that AMD's lower clock speed is faster than PIVs higher one, though the avarage Joe doesn't.... I still think that Joe will buy an Intel system cause of the higher numbers.

[The Coolest]

The XPs are brown and T-Bird ~purple

[aznboi64]

Whats the info do I need to look for when using Sandra to tell if this is a XP or athlon. Besides taking my HSF apart.

[plague]

you probably dont need to take your hsf off - just open up your case and you might be able to see the edges of the chip under the hsf. then as the coolest said, if its an XP, its brown.

[Mr B]

When you boot the 'puter at default speed (133 FSB), what does it say on the screen when you first boot up? Does it say Athlon 1333, or XP1500+??

Yeah...check the color of the chip as mentioned...that's beyond foolproof. =)

[aznboi64]

Okay I just check my cpu ans its purple. So that means it an Athlon 1.3. So is there a big difference in performance wise from the Athlon or Xp?

[Duron Overclocker]

The difference between 1500 and 1330 is so miniscule that even though you paid for it thinking that it was a 1500 Mhz chip, it really doesn't matter.

[LutaWicasa]

Regardless of the performance diff ( or lack there of ) you certainly should complain. If for no other reason than you were obviously lied to. Maybe I'm strange, but I HATE being lied to :mad:

[aznboi64]

I would complain if there was a different *huge difference* in performance. But as many people tell me its very little. But that was on my mind to do.

[Christoph]

Originally posted by LutaWicasa
Regardless of the performance diff ( or lack there of ) you certainly should complain. If for no other reason than you were obviously lied to. Maybe I'm strange, but I HATE being lied to :mad:

I looooooooooooooooove being lied to. Regardless of performance (I never thought I'd say that) there's an obvious difference in the price you would have paid for an XP 1500+ (1.5 gHz doesn't exist, only 1.47 and 1.53) and the price for a 1.33 gHz Athlon ($21 on pricewath.com). If you don't care about being LIED TO and being STOLEN FROM, then let the guy CONTINUE TO CHEAT PEOPLE. If it were me, I'd be fighting mad and I'd made sure to get my chip back or drag the guy's name through the mud until everyone knew what he did.
But that's just me.

Edit; I need to correct an earlier mistake; on the die of an Xp, it gives the PR rating. I have a 1600+ and the first line reads "AX1600MT3C." I'd hate to think that I mislead you. My sincere apologies if I did. PM me and I'll grovel a little.

[minoukat]

One of the major differences between both is : XP runs cooler, and uses less voltage, and has the entire SSE instruction (maybe SSE2, I don't remember), and that's pretty good for multimedia applications.

[Akareyon]

I'm really a newbie. So I wonder: What for are you guys AMD fans? David vs. Goliath? Better reliablity? Better overclocking? Cheaper? Better? Funnier?:eek:

[aznboi64]

All that except the funnier part. The AMDs are cheaper and are basically the underdogs of CPUs. But with minor overclocking your speeds exceed those of Intels. I got a celeron 600 and I'm going to O/C it to 1ghz. I asked about AMDs 600 and it can over clock way more than 1ghz. And thats with stable. And AMDs speeds are faster than intels. Its basically bang for the buck.