View Full Version : Damn frustrated, need help asap!
first off, heres what im running,
swiftech storm block
swiftech mcw30 chipset block
danger den nv68 gpu block
2 swiftech mcp655s
1 thermochill he 120.3
hydrx coolant
1 t-line
here was how i was running it
pump1->pump2->thermochill->storm->mcw30->nv68->pump1
heres the problem:
THE FLOW IS ALL MESSED UP! i have no idea what the problem is, there are large air pockets THAT JUST STAY THERE and nothing seems to be flowing correctly and like the tube that connects my rad to my storm is like..not full you know? so here are my questions if you guys dont mind answering...
1. would you guys have a similiar setup if you had the same parts?
2. where should my t-line be positioned?
3. what setting should i leave my mcp655s at?
4. there is a little screw on the back of my thermochill rad, what does it do?
and also, i had a reservoir hooked up but that seemed like a failure, it was an angel eyes uv blue typhoon reservoir with 2 barbs (crappy design if you ask me) and i had a t line setup (RIGHT BEFORE PUMP 1 WHICH IS WHERE I HAVE IT NOW) and my reservoir kept eating all the water i poored down my t-line, but when i covered the res like the water in the t-line was going up down up down and my pump was making weird noises like HIGH NOISE low noise HIGH NOISE etc.
not sure if this is common but when i set the pumps to 5 the water inside was a little foamy, cause the water is traveling so fast? is it because of water turbulance?
anyways, im going to ditch the res cause i dont want to spend more money to get a better one, if you guys can fix my setup WITH the t-line then id grealy appreciate it, any suggestions are appreciated
the T line should be at the highest point in your loop. have you tried running with only one pump to see if you can get the lines full of water? Do your pumps have an adequate supply of water? since you have your pumps one right after the other you'll have to figure out a way to get the second pump water before you turn it on...you don't want to run it dry!
hookem2oo7
04-17-06, 11:05 PM
the t line should go in the line just before the inlet on pump 1
TreeNode
04-18-06, 08:40 AM
So you currently have BOTH a T-line and Res? I thought it was one or the other... before the inlet of a pump.
The t line doesnt have to be before the pump, It will just take longer to bleed if its elsewhere. I have had issues when ive converted 1/2inch to 3/hose where i have pockets of air in the tubing. All i had to do is move the computer around and turn the pump on and off and eventually it would push the air to the res.
The water is foamy beacuse your sending air into both pumps. Try turning on only 1 pump and turn the other one on later.
When you said the T line is infront of pump one you mean tline -> pump1 -> pump2?
EDIT: eeekkkk i made a mistake oops :rolleyes:
first off, heres what im running,
swiftech storm block
swiftech mcw30 chipset block
danger den nv68 gpu block
2 swiftech mcp655s
1 thermochill he 120.3
hydrx coolant
1 t-line
looks like he's running a tripple rad to me
fuzzba11
04-18-06, 10:36 AM
So you currently have BOTH a T-line and Res? I thought it was one or the other... before the inlet of a pump.I have both, with the t-line going into my reservoir. I would recommend testing both pumps to see if they work, you really don't need two pumps for that setup (if one doesn't work).
ok, ill take your guys' suggestions into consideration, gonna toy with my pumps like you guys said and then toss the res if i need to, thanks for all the help guys, be back later
crimedog
04-18-06, 11:39 AM
only power one pump up to fill it, make sure it's primed and it'll push water through the loop. once there's enough water in there it'll be able to circulate and you'll just be bleeding at that point.
as for t-line position, it's infront of the pump for easy filling, at the highest point for easiest bleeding.
ok cause the my t-line tube might not be high enough, that might be the problem eh?
damn. but i always make sure that my pumps are not running dry to begin with, is that what you guys are saying not to do? cause before i turned on the pumps i filled each pump with water
greyharte
04-18-06, 01:53 PM
okies not to derail (and maybe this isnt) but ... maybe someone could clarify this for me ...
i can understand running 2 loops and thus 2 pumps (1 for cpu and chipset, 1 for dual gpu's as an example) but why would you us 2 pumps 1 feeding into a 2nd ... it would seem to me that that would create pressure feedback in the loop and hinder rather than enhance flow in the loop
maybe im wrong hence the question
crimedog
04-18-06, 02:04 PM
ok cause the my t-line tube might not be high enough, that might be the problem eh?
damn. but i always make sure that my pumps are not running dry to begin with, is that what you guys are saying not to do? cause before i turned on the pumps i filled each pump with water
i'm sure your t-line is fine, even though you haven't really told us what's going on. that's a very large loop and it's just gonna take a while to fill.
okies not to derail (and maybe this isnt) but ... maybe someone could clarify this for me ...
i can understand running 2 loops and thus 2 pumps (1 for cpu and chipset, 1 for dual gpu's as an example) but why would you us 2 pumps 1 feeding into a 2nd ... it would seem to me that that would create pressure feedback in the loop and hinder rather than enhance flow in the loop
maybe im wrong hence the question
running pumps in series increases pressure
greyharte
04-18-06, 02:16 PM
but wouldnt that in turn creat back pressure after all if your pumps (example) put out 10lbs pressure singly then i dont see mechanically how 2 of the same pumps in series can increase that pressure as it can only generate 10lbs in the firstplace ... theoretically if that were true that would over time increase pressure so much on the system that it would explode as you creat an initial 10 lbs which goes full loop and comes back still 10 lbs pushed thru 10lbs and increasing the loop pressure ... still doesnt add for me ... and the pumps themselves still only push 10lbs pressure ...
seems to me that you would get better effect by running a 1/2" inlet to a 3/8" outlet and loop into a res if you wanted to increase pressure in the loop even running the final leg of your loop to the res down to 1/4" ... would also be cheaper
even running parallell into a y-fitting would give better pressure increase
than running in series
course my understanding in hydrodynamics could be flawed here
I wouldnt get rid of the res, its probably not the culprit. You need to fill your sytem as much as you can before you turn the pumps on. Just filling the pumps with water isnt enough. You have to ensure that the pump is constantly receving water then entire time.
but wouldnt that in turn creat back pressure after all if your pumps (example) put out 10lbs pressure singly then i dont see mechanically how 2 of the same pumps in series can increase that pressure as it can only generate 10lbs in the firstplace ... theoretically if that were true that would over time increase pressure so much on the system that it would explode as you creat an initial 10 lbs which goes full loop and comes back still 10 lbs pushed thru 10lbs and increasing the loop pressure ... still doesnt add for me ... and the pumps themselves still only push 10lbs pressure ...
seems to me that you would get better effect by running a 1/2" inlet to a 3/8" outlet and loop into a res if you wanted to increase pressure in the loop even running the final leg of your loop to the res down to 1/4" ... would also be cheaper
even running parallell into a y-fitting would give better pressure increase
than running in series
course my understanding in hydrodynamics could be flawed here
well the first pump basically already has done the sucktion part and pumps in into the 2nd pump where it gets slingshotted again, im not good at explaining but ya...
icic
ok heres the situation
once the pumps stop running....all tubes are FULL of water
once the pumps start running...some tubes become empty and looks like water is flowing EXTREMELY SLOWLY.
OK
if my memory serves me right, i might have figured out the problem.
my t-line TUBE IS NOT HIGHER THAN MY RADIATOR lol is that a problem?
my radiator is hanging horizontally on the top of my case but the t-line is like right below it HAHA
also my friend told me that i should have my pump PULLING from my res meaning:
gpu->res->pump1
what you guys think?
icic
ok heres the situation
once the pumps stop running....all tubes are FULL of water
once the pumps start running...some tubes become empty and looks like water is flowing EXTREMELY SLOWLY.
OK
if my memory serves me right, i might have figured out the problem.
my t-line TUBE IS NOT HIGHER THAN MY RADIATOR lol is that a problem?
my radiator is hanging horizontally on the top of my case but the t-line is like right below it HAHA
also my friend told me that i should have my pump PULLING from my res meaning:
gpu->res->pump1
what you guys think?
Well, my T-Line is below my rad but I don't use a res, but if your case yes.
You should always have the Res > Pump inlet.
LOL wow um...im an idiot, ok back to the drawing board, be back with some results and pics
THANKS A LOT GUYS!
VballCoach
04-18-06, 09:20 PM
sounds like you've still got lots of bleeding to do. also, is your tline capped when you run the pump(s)? when it gets loud and soft and then loud again, it's 'cause you don't have enough water in the loop and the pump is trying to push air. you may have to tip your case around while you cycle your pump. unplug then replug to cycle your pump. It worked for me on my mcp-350.
vball! i think you understand my situation!
ok here are some pictures
its also ok to set my pumps sideways like that right?
VballCoach
04-18-06, 10:32 PM
ok here's my suggestion. plug in one pump. you definitely are running out of coolant in your loop. I see you have your Tline vertical...never seen that before but you can still fill your loop. lay your case flat so you can fill the Tline and it will bleed faster.
VballCoach
04-18-06, 10:33 PM
also, why do you need 2 pumps?
yeah, looks like you've got too much air in your loop... that's your problem. I don't think you need 2 pumps for that setup.
citronym
04-19-06, 01:50 AM
Theres a fine line between need and want gentlemen.
Theres a fine line between need and want gentlemen.
:santa:
ok here's my suggestion. plug in one pump. you definitely are running out of coolant in your loop. I see you have your Tline vertical...never seen that before but you can still fill your loop. lay your case flat so you can fill the Tline and it will bleed faster.
Usually having your T-Line vertical works fine too, just takes a bit longer.
alright finally!
thanks a lot VballCoach after turning my case on its side, it looks like this!
as you can see from the pics everythings flowing right,
bet you guys didnt know that uv clear fans are smoke grey under the light! lol :p
thanks again!
VballCoach
04-20-06, 09:14 AM
very kewl! good job.
now when it totally bleeds you should be able to turn it upright and you'll be fine..just cap that line and tywrap it so it stays upright.
looks like there's some kinking going to and from the nb. you'll want to address that for best flow results. your tube routing looks a bit too tight to me.
how are your temps now?
very kewl! good job.
now when it totally bleeds you should be able to turn it upright and you'll be fine..just cap that line and tywrap it so it stays upright.
looks like there's some kinking going to and from the nb. you'll want to address that for best flow results. your tube routing looks a bit too tight to me.
how are your temps now?
cool, got cha!
havent turned on the system yet but hopefully see if my mounting prevails
yeah, the kinks going to my gfx from nb is a bit squished. gonna try and release some tension
cool, got cha!
havent turned on the system yet but hopefully see if my mounting prevails
yeah, the kinks going to my gfx from nb is a bit squished. gonna try and release some tension
swiftech coolsleeves should help w/ that :D
yup soloz, its just that i have 3/4" OD walls and swiftechs is up to 5/8" ID sleeves, zip tie time! :p
i kinda redid my setup and then ended up with with flow now...
hey, is that normal guys, the foam in my t-line? cause its been like that for about 10 mins now
oh and shouldnt my water be clear? or i should at least be able to see through the tubes no? its probably because my pumps are set at setting "5" the highest setting of flow.
yup soloz, its just that i have 3/4" OD walls and swiftechs is up to 5/8" ID sleeves, zip tie time! :p
i kinda redid my setup and then ended up with with flow now...
hey, is that normal guys, the foam in my t-line? cause its been like that for about 10 mins now
oh and shouldnt my water be clear? or i should at least be able to see through the tubes no? its probably because my pumps are set at setting "5" the highest setting of flow.
that's just bubbles and possibly foam, give it some time it will go away. Looking great gabbo :attn:
thanks adam
then that means that the noise i hear is from the water...which still has bubbles inside...which is still bleeding right lol cause since there arent kinks but there are sharps corners in my loop (from vga block outlet to chipset inlet, and from chipset outlet to pump1 you can see the sharp turns) isnt that whats MAKING the air bubbles?
thegreek
04-20-06, 02:56 PM
thanks adam
then that means that the noise i hear is from the water...which still has bubbles inside...which is still bleeding right lol cause since there arent kinks but there are sharps corners in my loop (from vga block outlet to chipset inlet, and from chipset outlet to pump1 you can see the sharp turns) isnt that whats MAKING the air bubbles?
You just have to give it time... leave your computer on... mine took 2 days to fully get the air out
learning curve
04-20-06, 03:07 PM
If you slow your pumps down some the air would bleed out faster, (less foamimg) IMHO
VballCoach
04-20-06, 03:45 PM
hey much better looking loop gabbo!
yeah, try slowing down the pumps and the foaming/bubbles should bleed out.
it does take some time when using a T.
lookin good!
citronym
04-20-06, 04:04 PM
IMO this is the biggest difference between a res system and a t system. With my first loop using a homemade res, my system was bled in seconds. When I tried a t, it did take several days befor I was unable to visually detect any movement in the tubes, which in my mind is a great indication of the amount of air in the coolant.
yeah, thanks, you guys are all right, the water is looking much clearer now and that it just took some time (im so impatient! :rolleyes: ) and anywho, heres how to compare t-lines and reservoirs
->a t-line is compact...but takes a while to bleed
->a reservoir is big...but bleeds really fast
BUT
never have them together! lol if yous read back my earlier posts, i think i said that at one time i had BOTH T and res in there haha!
i talked to sneaky, the member with the UFO case with dual mcp655s, and he said i should run them both at full speed or else is would be useless to have 2 655s. woo! pressure!
again thanks for the advice and help vball, guys!
learning curve
04-20-06, 09:50 PM
yeah, thanks, you guys are all right, the water is looking much clearer now and that it just took some time (im so impatient! :rolleyes: ) and anywho, heres how to compare t-lines and reservoirs
->a t-line is compact...but takes a while to bleed
->a reservoir is big...but bleeds really fast
BUT
never have them together! lol if yous read back my earlier posts, i think i said that at one time i had BOTH T and res in there haha!
i talked to sneaky, the member with the UFO case with dual mcp655s, and he said i should run them both at full speed or else is would be useless to have 2 655s. woo! pressure!
again thanks for the advice and help vball, guys!
Yes run both at full pressure after the loop is completly bled of air. I only ment to turn the pumps down during the bleeding process.
VballCoach
04-20-06, 09:51 PM
no prob :)!!
yeah, thanks, you guys are all right, the water is looking much clearer now and that it just took some time (im so impatient! :rolleyes: ) and anywho, heres how to compare t-lines and reservoirs
->a t-line is compact...but takes a while to bleed
->a reservoir is big...but bleeds really fast
BUT
never have them together! lol if yous read back my earlier posts, i think i said that at one time i had BOTH T and res in there haha!
i talked to sneaky, the member with the UFO case with dual mcp655s, and he said i should run them both at full speed or else is would be useless to have 2 655s. woo! pressure!
again thanks for the advice and help vball, guys!
take your case and tilt it, turn it upside down, give the tubing some light flicks to free the airbubbles just move everything arround, it speeds up the bleeding process aLOT!
Yes run both at full pressure after the loop is completly bled of air. I only ment to turn the pumps down during the bleeding process.
ah yes, how silly of me lol
take your case and tilt it, turn it upside down, give the tubing some light flicks to free the airbubbles just move everything arround, it speeds up the bleeding process aLOT!
yeah, the #1 tip that i always forget to do, thanks!
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