View Full Version : Something VERY WEIRD!! My new 1600 athlon, and mobo are NOT going fast!
soundfx4
11-09-01, 10:18 PM
Ok, when I first turned on my new computer with my old hard drive in it, I was kindof shocked at the speeds, because they were going rather slow, but it was faster then my old computer. Anyway, that was just denile, but now I know my computer is DEFFINITLEY not going as fast as it should. My processor is the 1600, and I have 191 mbs ram 266 fsb 133 ram bus, 5400 rpm 15 gig HD, and it takes about 1 min to boot up, and almost just as long to shut down!! I'm running windows XP professional btw. Does anyone know what the heck is wrong??
take a look at my boot threads in the software and OS section that should help you solve and test your problems. also I assume you are using the latest bios for your mobo.
I know whats wrong! You're running WinXP. Thats whats wrong.
theflyingrat
11-10-01, 12:11 AM
Go to a site like Downloads.com and look for SiSoft Sandra. Although the results from this benchmark suite are theorhetical, they at least give you some idea of what may be dragging your system down. If any one thing is far lower than it 'should' be, begin troubleshooting with that component. i.e. if your memory benchmarks are terrible, you may need the most recent BIOS flash for your motherboard, or maybe replace a defunct stick of RAM.
It's Windows XP most likely, it's a ram hog. If I rember correctly they recommend 256 mb of ram for optimum performance.
-Exi|e-
11-10-01, 02:20 AM
Im running WindowsXP with 256Mb or ram and it takes 45seconds to boot up. Might be a bit faster now but it was 45secs last time i timed it.
soundfx4
11-10-01, 07:28 AM
Naw, windows XP isn't a ram hog, it actually manages ram. If you close a program, you get ram back from that program. Somewere along the line ram still gets used up, but it definitley manages better then other windows. I just minimized this IE window with 17 mbs of ram free, and it jumped to 20 mbs, and kept climbing to 30 mbs. So I don't think windows xp is the problem, at least not in the ram catagorey. I'll download that program to see if I can't find out what it is. Thanks everyone
My winXP takes 28sec to boot. You have enough RAM for winXP. When I first installed WinXP it took 75sec to boot. I then found out it was because of my TCP/IP settings. When I had them properly set, I had my fast boot times. Try using these settings, they may not work for you (if they dont just switch back)
Abb
WinXP supposedly speeds up the boot time the longer you run it. I believe it learns what you are running and stops looking for everything over time. something like that anyways.
soundfx4
11-10-01, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by abb1
My winXP takes 28sec to boot. You have enough RAM for winXP. When I first installed WinXP it took 75sec to boot. I then found out it was because of my TCP/IP settings. When I had them properly set, I had my fast boot times. Try using these settings, they may not work for you (if they dont just switch back)
Abb
Huh??? how could those network settings possibley have anything to do with bootting up, it doesn't make any since. hmmm...how did you come across that discoverey? Also, I can't change my network settings because we have a cable router. And that is DHCP so it has to obtain and IP automaticly. But now I'm curious as to how that made that big of a speed difference. That just doesn't make since. Anyway, more specs on my speeds. It takes 1 min and 14 secs to boot up fully, and 1 min and 08 secs to shut down, that is pretty bad. :(
Yes it does have an effect on the boot times. I came across this discovery in news groups with similar problems. This helped alot of people with their boot problems (me being one of them). The systems worked great since.
Abb:D
soundfx4
11-10-01, 09:08 PM
Well, I tried it, and it didn't work, and my network didn't work either, so I had to set it back. I don't know what the problem is. :(
Warlord2
11-10-01, 10:18 PM
my money is on the hard drive
did you run sandra yet? if so whats your scores?
somebody said they had 4 hd in a raid 0 and winxp booted in 10sec donno if its true or not though.......
soundfx4
11-10-01, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Warlord2
my money is on the hard drive
did you run sandra yet? if so whats your scores?
somebody said they had 4 hd in a raid 0 and winxp booted in 10sec donno if its true or not though.......
I dout it, 10 secs is Like...10 seconds! :) the fastest I have heard of yet is 28 secs to boot. and mine takes 1 min 14 secs. :(
Anyway, I am almost sure that it is either the Hard drive, or the OS. Everything else is pretty much ruled out. And about the scores, I don't know what the scores were, although my benchmark did better then a pentium 4 1.6 ghz lol.
Just a silly question: is UDMA enabled? I run win2k and when it wasn't enabled it took forever to boot.
Fiz
soundfx4
11-10-01, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Fiz
Just a silly question: is UDMA enabled? I run win2k and when it wasn't enabled it took forever to boot.
Fiz
Hmmmm...I dunno, but it should be, because I checked for high system porformance to be enabled. But maybe it isn't still. I'll check, and get back to the post.
soundfx4
11-10-01, 11:27 PM
Yeah UDMA is on
soundfx4
11-12-01, 05:43 PM
Ok, I have narrowed it down to either of two things. One, windows xp is screwed up, or two, my hard drive is too slow. My hard drive is a 5400 rpm ATA66. What do you all think?
Originally posted by soundfx4
Ok, I have narrowed it down to either of two things. One, windows xp is screwed up, or two, my hard drive is too slow. My hard drive is a 5400 rpm ATA66. What do you all think? Your Hard Drive speed should not cause your boot times to be that slow. When you put in your Hard Drive in your new system, did you do a clean install, or just switched it from one motherboard to the next?
Abb
I have an Quantum fireball lct10 15gb ATA66 HDD and Win XP prof. and it takes some 40sec to boot up. Onetime it booted up in 27sec weird:eek:
Win XP is the best i have ever used its not eating memory:cool:
Its faster than ME and 2k i have tried them before and XP is faster but it needs a lot of tuning. I have 128mb ram only and its fast:p
soundfx4
11-13-01, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by abb1
Your Hard Drive speed should not cause your boot times to be that slow. When you put in your Hard Drive in your new system, did you do a clean install, or just switched it from one motherboard to the next?
Abb
I just switched it. But I don't think that has anything to do with it, because my grandads computer that I built for him also has a 5400 rpm hard drive, and the same copy of windows XP. The only difference is that his is ATA 100. Anyway, I am testing a 7200 rpm ATA 100 hard drive right now, and it isn't looking good. I think I am going to have to buy a new hard drive :(
soundfx4
11-13-01, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by soundfx4
I just switched it. But I don't think that has anything to do with it, because my grandads computer that I built for him also has a 5400 rpm hard drive, and the same copy of windows XP. The only difference is that his is ATA 100. Anyway, I am testing a 7200 rpm ATA 100 hard drive right now, and it isn't looking good. I think I am going to have to buy a new hard drive :(
Well, it was the hard drive. I've gotta go out and buy a new one (sigh) :( After the new hard drive change it took 54 secs from when I push the button to the desktop, and 28 secs from after the bios tests. And it took 9 secs to shut down also. well, there goes another 139 bucks. :(
Yeah, it does matter. Most people that do this have multiple BSOD's, error messages and the registry not running the way it should (which is probably why you are getting the long boot times). Some people get around this by deleting the ENUM key in the registry. That way it will redetect the settings and this seems to work. I have never tried this, I just do a fresh install when I change motherboards.
Abb
soundfx4
11-13-01, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by abb1
Yeah, it does matter. Most people that do this have multiple BSOD's, error messages and the registry not running the way it should (which is probably why you are getting the long boot times). Some people get around this by deleting the ENUM key in the registry. That way it will redetect the settings and this seems to work. I have never tried this, I just do a fresh install when I change motherboards.
Abb
Actually, no it doesn't matter, at least not in this case. My grandads computer does the same type things, and obviously I had to fresh install with his computer, since it was brand new. Also, there is no "the ENUM key", There are like 10 different ones. So which one am I supposed to delete?. Anyway, it's my hard drive, so I have to buy a new one now. Thanks everyone for the help.
-=HN=- Wild9
11-13-01, 09:14 PM
how often do you reboot your comp???
i have not rebooted in over a week now.
AstronMike
11-13-01, 09:58 PM
Reboot?? Sheesh, I have an A7V133 with 512 mgs RAM and I must reboot it like once a day or it will bottom out. If I play Diablo 2 online, there goes like 350 megs that WinME doesnt want to give back.
My moms and sisters AK31As that i got them never do this, that chipset must make a heck of a difference.
oc jason
11-14-01, 12:58 PM
when u say bootup do you mean from a cold boot all the way through BIOS and everything, or do u mena from the first Windows GUI screen till ur at the desktop
soundfx4
11-14-01, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by [OC] Jason
when u say bootup do you mean from a cold boot all the way through BIOS and everything, or do u mena from the first Windows GUI screen till ur at the desktop
Both. After the new hard drive change it took 54 secs from when I push the button to the desktop (cold boot), and 28 secs from after the bios tests(from first windows GUi screen). And it took 9 secs to shut down also. And with my old 5400 rpm it takes 1 min, and 14 secs to cold boot, and 1 min to shut down. I'm not sure how long it takes from the windows GUI screen. Probably about 40 secs.
Gravity Man
11-14-01, 01:19 PM
have you tried reinstalling windows? I would do that before anything else.
soundfx4
11-14-01, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Gravity Man
have you tried reinstalling windows? I would do that before anything else.
yes, I have tried reinstalling windows, it didn't work.
Warlord2
11-14-01, 07:49 PM
before you get a new hard drive try a format if you can backup everything you want and flash the mobo with the newest bios if you havent already
soundfx4
11-15-01, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Warlord2
before you get a new hard drive try a format if you can backup everything you want and flash the mobo with the newest bios if you havent already
I have already flashed my mobo. I had to do that because my my motherboard didn't support XP's out of the box, I had to download the latest driver. I won't format my hard drive, but I do have partition magic, could I use that to test it? Like resize my hard drive into two partitions, and install it on the other partition? Then I could see if it works. I'm gonna go ahead and do that. I do need another hard drive anyway, but I'm not ready to buy on yet.
soundfx4
11-15-01, 08:09 PM
What is the enum key delet trick? I'll try that first.
soundfx4
11-16-01, 12:41 PM
I just finished trying that thing with partition magic, and it did indeed go faster. Start up was the same speed, but shut down was WAY faster. Like 15 secs. I really would like to try the delete the enum key trick, if someone would kindley explain how to do it please.
wildone
11-16-01, 07:46 PM
well ,I have a 5400 ata 100 ,and a 7200 ata 100 , the 7200 boots up like 40 seconds faster then the 5400 in the same os.I think my boot time is around 20 sec, and shutdown is about 10 , its just depends on what I asm doing , but I still think win me outperforms XP , its just no near as stable.
wildone
JetMech
11-17-01, 12:56 PM
I have read all the posts in this thread and nowhere did I see anyone concerned about how long it had been since the hard drive had been defragmented or how many programs were running in the sys tray. All other things being equal we will all have different boot times because of the different number of programs being opened and the quality of the programming of those programs. Also shutdown follows the same logic and due to the fast operation of todays systems a deliberate delay is programmed into the most current versions of windows to allow time for information held in memory to be copied to the hard drive. A trip to windows update should tell you if that patch is installed on your system. The reading of this thread has convinced me however that I need to move up to XP both for the memory management enhancements and its ability to ignore infrequently used programs on boot up.
soundfx4
11-17-01, 04:30 PM
Hmmmmmm...Well, once my computer gets to windows, all my programs load up rather fast. But shutdown takes forever, startup takes forever, and it freezes everyonce and a while. After I installed windows an another partition of my ATA 66 5400 rpm hard drive, it started up the same, but shut down in 15 secs, and it hasn't froze yet. I think what I'm going to do is move all my program files to another partition, then resize the partition with my OS to 2 gigs. Then I am going to backup my OS settings, and some files. After that, I'm going to format that partition, and install windows XP on it again. Then I'll import all the settings and such to the OS partition, and I should be set! If it doesn't work,however, then I will have to format to fix it. But I just hope it doesn't come to that. :beer:
SmokeyDP
11-18-01, 02:45 AM
I bet its the hard drive. Windows XP Boots in less than 11 seconds for me. I have a WD ATA 100 7200rpm and Dual 1800+'s and I run Windows XP and I have lots of crap installed.
Scott
soundfx4
11-18-01, 07:59 AM
Yeah, it is deffinitley the hard drive.
soundfx4
11-18-01, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by SmokeyDP
I bet its the hard drive. Windows XP Boots in less than 11 seconds for me. I have a WD ATA 100 7200rpm and Dual 1800+'s and I run Windows XP and I have lots of crap installed.
Scott
Oh yeah, there is no way yours starts up in 11 secs. Windows XP actually is faster then any other windows, but it takes longer to start on ANY system then any other OS. I tested this also with Windows 98, and win98 took only 28 secs to start (cold boot), and winXP took 54 secs to boot up (also cold boot). So 11 secs is not right, at least not for a cold boot.
wildone
11-18-01, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by soundfx4
Oh yeah, there is no way yours starts up in 11 secs. Windows XP actually is faster then any other windows, but it takes longer to start on ANY system then any other OS. I tested this also with Windows 98, and win98 took only 28 secs to start (cold boot), and winXP took 54 secs to boot up (also cold boot). So 11 secs is not right, at least not for a cold boot.
Thats not true ,win xp is said to boot faster then any other windows to date , my win me boots in about 10 sec if you start counting after the bios loads , and 14 from the time I start my pc,win xp is about 18-22 seconds , but I have all kinds of stuff too that boot with it includeing a boot loader,I do know there is a huge difference in 133fsb and 140 though , just by the speed the win XP dial moves when its booting.
Try uping your fsb.
wildone
soundfx4
11-18-01, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by wildone
Thats not true ,win xp is said to boot faster then any other windows to date , my win me boots in about 10 sec if you start counting after the bios loads , and 14 from the time I start my pc,win xp is about 18-22 seconds , but I have all kinds of stuff too that boot with it includeing a boot loader,I do know there is a huge difference in 133fsb and 140 though , just by the speed the win XP dial moves when its booting.
Try uping your fsb.
wildone
Yes I know it is said to boot faster, but it doesn't. I did a hands on test, and it doesn't boot faster. The only thing I changed was the OS, I didn't change any processors, hard drives or anything, so the results must be accurate. But anyway, that was just my little test, Microsoft did loads of tests, so I guess XP must boot faster, I just don't understand why it won't for the PC I tested it on. And also, is there really that big of a difference between a 133, and 140 fsb? If so, then I will try raising my fsb. I'll post if it does anything. But untill I get a new hard drive, I won't be getting any huge differences any time soon. Oh well.
wildone
11-18-01, 04:39 PM
this may sound crazy , but goto your bios and disable your bios shadowing and then have it reset your configuration data ,when I installed win me it screwed up my xp till I did this ,just a thought , but my win 98 took alot longer to load then 28 sec ,even if I had a clean boot.
wildone
soundfx4
11-18-01, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by wildone
this may sound crazy , but goto your bios and disable your bios shadowing and then have it reset your configuration data ,when I installed win me it screwed up my xp till I did this ,just a thought , but my win 98 took alot longer to load then 28 sec ,even if I had a clean boot.
wildone
That's weird, oh well. I will try that trick with the bios shadowing, and post back how it works
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