so i got a 5200btu window ac unit...

[Time4aMassiveOC]

heya everyone

so i got a 5200btu window ac unit... and i put the evap in some water+antifreeze and it got fairly cold though no ice, the mixture was probly like 3/1 water to antifreeze, i left it running about 45 min and no ice or anything but it was rather cold to the touch

i was just wondering if its going to be a big deal to run it at a 90 degree angle, basicly from the standard upright position tipped forward to lay on its face.

Edit: apparently its not supposed to run like that so i flipped it right side up and bent it all up and put it in a trashcan and filled it with denatured alchohol and bottles of water

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[Electron Chaser]

Usually ACs are made to run in one position due mainly to the hermetically sealed compressors that are mounted in them. They should never be ran in any position other than with the mounting feet of the compresser pointed toward the ground. If you ever tipped an AC compressor and you heard that clunking sound coming from inside the compressor that should be all the reason you need.

[greenmaji]

There should be a downward flow by design back to the compressor (to allow oil to return to the compressor for lubrication)
Those pictures made me go :eek:
In other words, get some tubing benders, leave the air con right side up, and get that evap. in a cooler man ;)

Give the link given in this post a read to get an idea why laying the air con face first down isn't the best idea.
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=4439904&postcount=5

[Time4aMassiveOC]

hmmm guess ill have to bend the evap...

[Time4aMassiveOC]

well the evap measures 17x10 ish and ive decided im going to try to not bend it much at all while trying to get some sort of tupperware on there. im basicly looking for something around 17x10x4 inches this way i can put it right just like it is and rightside up if anyone knows where to find some type of tupperware like that that'd be great

[greenmaji]

They make a rectangular cooler that would rule for this application ;)
Its kinda tall and thin :D

[Time4aMassiveOC]

i saw that. im considering it but its gonna be harder that way i think than if i could get a tupperware plastice rectangular container to fit this in, then i can just easily cut a hole in the lid. and place the lid on around the copper pipes coming out and fill in the holes with some type of epoxy and seal the box as well.

could feasibly do the same with the 12 can cooler but the both the lid and cutting the hole in the side for the pipes im thinking would both be more problematic than a properly sized tupperware container. im going to look today maybe. ill post pics later on of the evap and possibly any tupperware i may get.

[greenmaji]

Im kinda lost as to how you cant slip the cooler under it if you unmount the compressor from the base and just slide the evap. over the edge of the base plate, like on the edge of a table. you can bend the hoses to go out the top, but you can epoxy (or some WeldOn #20) the part of the side back just fine IMHO.
some pictures of the unit with the outer casing off might be helpfull :D (because I think I'm rambiling at this point)

[Time4aMassiveOC]

btw how do i post the larger images i see posted, mine only allows smaller sized ones.

[Martel]

Go to one of these places

1.) Imageshack (http://img424.imageshack.us/)

2.) Photobucket (http://photobucket.com/)

Upload the pic than post the link to it.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

thanks man

[Time4aMassiveOC]

so i decided to trashcan the whole idea, literally. lol the whole rectangulor thing just wasnt going to work it would have broken if i had ever moved it, if it could have supported the weight of all the coolant to begin with.

so i built up my courage and bent the sucker enough to get into the trashcan comfortably. while not bending any of the places where it was welded.

i have to figure out a better lid than the seran wrap tho, the SLX denatured alchohol in there puts out some nasty fumes, and id like to contain those as much as possible, gonna have to insulate the trashcan too, it gets nice and iced up


i bought the maze 4 for the northbridge and the all copper Swiftech MCW6002-775 CPU Waterblock - 1/2" for the cpu heres a shot of it
http://www.petrastechshop.com/d.html

and btw they shipped it here super fast i was so suprised to hear the doorbell. that one rivaled newegg. and for that matter the heatsink factory ships rather fast in basicly all my experiences buying heatsinks from them.

i was wondering how those new graphics card waterblocks that cool the memory are performing. (i seem to recall someone doing a phase unit that attempted this. ) namely how good a job are they doing of cooling the memory i can imagine it would be pretty hard to make a block that lined up with the gpu and memory all at the same time. but all the same if i could cool my memory with the chilled block that would be nice.

im thinking imma get the mcp655 pump and alot of 7/16 ID 11/16OD tygon tubing. i figure the 7/16 will fit more snug on the 1/2 what do you guys think?





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so what kinda additives do you think i could use for the denatured alchohol to make it better at doing its cooling thing.

also my brother seems to think that the denatured alchohol is gonna corrode my copper blocks or any aluminum for sure. what do you guys think?

[Pf.Farnsworth]

Methanol would but dentured alcohol wont. Its basicaly ethanol with additives that make it non drinkabale (also hence non taxible, not as a liquer anyway = cheap).

Just mix denatured alcohol and water. Rations depending on how cold your chiller gets. Play around with mix rations. Water is the best coolant so the more water you can get before having it frezze up the better.

And you could bend it and run it at a 90 degree angle, you would just get refrigerant and oil pooling. It will still work and no it wont really hurt itself or anything else, but preformance might be poor as refrigerant supply might not be consistant to the metering device. Although on a chiller that should matter little. If the velocities were high enough that would not be a problem. But you know why fight a force *gravity when you can have it help you.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

hmmm so what do you guys think of silverprops hl fusion for my 7900gt? will it fit? do i need an adapter?

[Pf.Farnsworth]

Funny you mention this, good choise. I have talked on this subject with MaxxxRacer (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75873) at XS and it looks like its the best option for a chiller gpu block. The Cyclone Fusion HL (http://www.silverprop.com/cyclonefusionhl.aspx) is what I will be using on my comming chiller, or rather 2 of them :) . The block itself is great however the mounting system is very poor. If you dont mind making your own mounting this is the block to go with. On that note I should say its well worth the hassle. Also it is a bit on the restrictive side, so make sure to grab a nice high head/pressure pump.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

heh, i ended up ordering it just now, but i dont wanna make my own mounting lol, will it not fit a 7900gt with some mount i can buy lol

i got a danger den d5 aka mcp 655 for the pump


i was gonna get alot of tygon tubing but sidewinder computers was out, and im not paying friggin 3.30$ a foot where i got the other stuff. when i know i can get it under 2$

so i got 50 ft of the the best bargain tubing i forget which brand offhand but it was 50 cents a foot so i dont care now i know i have plenty of tubing, and could put my stuff in my closet if i wanted. lmao


heh i couldnt find an all metal block for my northbridge...

[Pf.Farnsworth]

cooling the nb wont help your overclock but will hurt the coolant temperatures which will hurt the cpu/gpu temperatures which will hurt the overclock. Dont cool the nb.

I was going to say get something like an iwaki md20 RLZ, or iwaki RD20 /RD30, or Panworld equivelent of the md20 RLZ.

[greenmaji]

Cooling the NB on a AMD system might not help your overclock. But you need to cool the NB to get higher FSB on Intel systems right now (not nessiarily this cold though ;) )
And IMHO conroe will need cooling on the NB if we dont see 500 FSB out of the new motherbords (and/or you are hard enough on yourself to get one of the CPU's with a low multi)

[Time4aMassiveOC]

as long as the cpu gpu and nb all stay -C then ill be happy with a 100$ after tax A/C unit. however i realize what you are saying. i suppose the next stage would be to get certified, and make a second stage phase unit to go along with this ac, i cant wait to try all the things i want to try.

for what its worth i could always grab another unit really fast and stick it in the same rez, giving it the extra capacity it might need to get colder temps with all that load. since i plan on having to cool the 550W produced by my powersupply and the a/c unit here is speced for 500W i think at 500 it will be appropriatly tuned/charged wouldnt you say?

lol we'll see how it goes i may have too much load i probly wanna stay under 500 lmao so i may just get that second unit.


im definatly awaiting the conroes i like the idea of a hyperthreaded conroe under 2 of these ac units plus a second stage plus maybe two of some the newest dual physical core videocards in sli... lol talkin about some serious phase changing there... that would be so incredible to have a system that could cool all those down to the -50's to -60's i wonder how cold the mosfets can get on motherboards i know caps are good down to like -20 to -25C.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

Cooling the NB on a AMD system might not help your overclock. But you need to cool the NB to get higher FSB on Intel systems right now (not nessiarily this cold though ;) )
And IMHO conroe will need cooling on the NB if we dont see 500 FSB out of the new motherbords (and/or you are hard enough on yourself to get one of the CPU's with a low multi)

From what I can tell good air cooling seems to be enough for the nb, but I dont have to much expirience in that area so I'll take your word for it. I have to say though you have to try both ways, because you will raise your temperatures of your cpu/gpu by cooling the nb the loos might outweigh the gains, or maybe it wont. You'd have to try both ways and see with which you can get a better overclock.

as long as the cpu gpu and nb all stay -C then ill be happy with a 100$ after tax A/C unit. however i realize what you are saying. i suppose the next stage would be to get certified, and make a second stage phase unit to go along with this ac, i cant wait to try all the things i want to try.

for what its worth i could always grab another unit really fast and stick it in the same rez, giving it the extra capacity it might need to get colder temps with all that load. since i plan on having to cool the 550W produced by my powersupply and the a/c unit here is speced for 500W i think at 500 it will be appropriatly tuned/charged wouldnt you say?

lol we'll see how it goes i may have too much load i probly wanna stay under 500 lmao so i may just get that second unit.


im definatly awaiting the conroes i like the idea of a hyperthreaded conroe under 2 of these ac units plus a second stage plus maybe two of some the newest dual physical core videocards in sli... lol talkin about some serious phase changing there... that would be so incredible to have a system that could cool all those down to the -50's to -60's i wonder how cold the mosfets can get on motherboards i know caps are good down to like -20 to -25C.

Its not that simple. The capacity changes depending on what temperature you want to keep it at. maybe its 500w at +40C, but at -25C it may be as low as 170w.

Why would you cool your PSU, that has been mentioned and tried many times and the result is always horrible, HUGE power dump that totaly kills preformance with absolutly no benefits. Mosfets on you mobo are the same as in your PSU, and are just as worthless to be cooling below ambient.

You can make a chiller that will hold -60C on everything, but it wont be very practical for 24/7 use, will be large and will draw alot of power. A multi head DD will be more efficient but also will requier a large compressor, will be large, expencive, very hard to build and ballance and not very practical for 24/7 use.

Right now I am trying to make a chiller that will hold two cards and the cpu in the -40's C with load and -50's C no load while being very small, very quiet, very power efficient and that is integrated in to my computer case. Its costing a good lead of money but I think its worth it, will serve me for many many years to come.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

eh, you misunderstood im not going to cool the powersupply that would raise the load to around 1100W im talking about the max W rating of the PSU 550W being mine if that is the max then its possible to say that if i cooled the entire computer other than the powersupply the load would not exceed 550W

and yeah i know that as temperature decreases so does capacity. ive looked at simmilar compressor specs. i think ill get decent temps. and like i said, if not i can always go grab another unit for 100$ and that will definatly give me the needed capacity. to get some decent temps. -15 to -30 im thinking. but its all moot until i try it :) and im still aways away from finishing. even though i have ordered all the blocks tubing and pump and clamps. by the way do you think that silverprop fusion will fit a x600pro AiW? i know these are notorious for not having block compatibility while other non all in wonder models were fine

[Moto7451]

He's talking about thermal load. I think you're talking about running some part of your cooling system off of your 550W PSU. Am I right T4MaOC?

[Pf.Farnsworth]

He's talking about thermal load. I think you're talking about running some part of your cooling system off of your 550W PSU. Am I right T4MaOC?

No he means the power (energy over time) input is 550W so the output can not be greater. First Law of Thermodynamics the Law of Conservation of Energy.

eh, you misunderstood im not going to cool the powersupply that would raise the load to around 1100W im talking about the max W rating of the PSU 550W being mine if that is the max then its possible to say that if i cooled the entire computer other than the powersupply the load would not exceed 550W


yep, conservation of energy.

and yeah i know that as temperature decreases so does capacity.

not really. You derive the effect from the wrong cause. You can have low temperatures and alot of capacity, its just in respect to what. Your metering device may be restrictive enough to couse a large pressure split and give you good temperatures, while flowing enough to absorb all the heat. Master the metering device and you will master refrigeration :)


ive looked at simmilar compressor specs. i think ill get decent temps. and like i said, if not i can always go grab another unit for 100$ and that will definatly give me the needed capacity. to get some decent temps. -15 to -30 im thinking. but its all moot until i try it :) and im still aways away from finishing. even though i have ordered all the blocks tubing and pump and clamps. By the way do you think that silverprop fusion will fit a x600pro AiW? i know these are notorious for not having block compatibility while other non all in wonder models were fine

Instead of spending hundreds of dollas on ac after ac spend $150 on a nice danfoss resiprocating compressor and I will give you a cookie I swear.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

heh yeah i meant with the same unit as the units temp goes down so does its capacity until finally it reaches an equilibrium where its at the lowest temp at which it can hold that given capacity.

lol yeah if i can get someone to sell me one if i could buy danfoss units i would buy probly 2 sc21clx's or maybe a twin one in a heartbeat if you know where to buy one in the united stated without a cert please for the love of god drop a link cause i have a nice long list of thier distributors phone numbers and most are johnstone and they wont sell o me without a cert so if you ask me for the moment only (not for longterm) 100$ after tax sounds pretty good for getting a r22 gassed compressor tuned for higher load, yeah i know its a high temp unit but at least i can go buy it without being hassled... ::rolleyes::


id love to get a cascade going break into the below -50C and hopefully become good enough at it to buy a 3rd compressor and take it very low, i dont want -100's nesisarily but -75 i could deal with. but man that would be pricy, the only pumps ive seen that are actually rated to go that low are like 700+$ minimum but then again i can imagine the compressors would be cheap.


oh and i almost feel obliged to give a shout out to a promising small company that i bought all my stuff from (other than thier horrendous prices on the tygon tubing ::shudders:: which i refused to buy )
i ordered on sundaynight late 5 day ground or whatever thier default option was that was the cheapest and slowest. monday they call me and say they have the wrong billing adress on my card and then they just put it through anyway and then tuesday all my stuff shows up. i was like wow.. as you can see in my post above i commented on it. it was super fast. so i ordered more stuff later a day later wednesday night late more like thurs morning . and here i have a confermation that im going to be receiving them today...(its friday morning ) im just amazed i must live close to them or something.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/gpwa.html

[Pf.Farnsworth]

Ask on xtremesystems (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=80) for help getting a compressor. I buy most of my parts from various members all over the world. The only thing I would not recomend shipping across the ocean is a compressor as they are heavy and will be costly, but not to bad if you are really in a pinch.

jinu117 (us)
johann (uk)
Unseen (greece)
runmc (us)
gray mole (uk)
wdrzal (us I think)


You can break -50C with a single stage, just a matter of the right refrigerant, compressor and metering device.

I have faith in iwakies. I think they will do just fine 0C to -100C. Should be fine at -50C but much lower I dont know, uncharted grounds, give it a try and post your results, I am sure all would love to see them :)

[Time4aMassiveOC]

eh i made a mistake its not 500 its 1500W, 500 is its rated intake.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

500 watts in and 1500 watts out? I dont know if that is possible. I may be wrong though. A watt is a measure of power. Power is energy over time. The only way to get more power out of a machine is to decrease the time over which the energy is released. So energy would have to be comming out faster then is comming in, which isnt really possible. I dont know enough physics as far as electricity goes but I am a bit puzzled myself so I will look in to this tomorrow.

[greenmaji]

Instead of spending hundreds of dollas on ac after ac spend $150 on a nice danfoss resiprocating compressor and I will give you a cookie I swear.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!! OMG this is deffinately the funniest thing I have ever seen you post Pf.Farnsworth (epion2985) :clap:

I do have to give him credit, he did post that he did try but he got nothing but hassles from the HAVC shops in his area (wich he just explained) :bang head

Maybe you can ask the members at XS about a nice plate heat exchanger while your at it (to get the chiller more compact to possibly fit in a case :D ) Well, that and they are suppose to be exellent for chillers performance wise.

Pf.Farnsworth... what danfloss model would you recomend for a chiller?
And the i975X does perform fine with good air, I dont know about subambiant yet I havnt seen benches yet. I do have my conserns about the lowest conroe models needing more FSB (more cooling then air on the NB) though, and so far the guys that are in the know just say you would be making things hard on yourself buy buying one of the lower priced conroes FSB wise (less then $300).

[Time4aMassiveOC]

eh, its all relative. the efficency rating on this thing is through the roof if its on a ten point scale. i think its rated 9.7 anyway thats what the specs say.

but like i said its all moot until i do it and see how it performs. so im getting dressed here shortly and going to home depot to grab a 2$ small outdoor thermometer that goes to -60C (though hardly accurate im sure as its a coil) reguardless it will give me good airtemp readings.

besides its a nice day for takin the top down n zoomin round.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

so i got a wired temp probe that i hung suspended by a wire inside my case. the digital readout goes down to -50C so far the air temperature inside the case with no load is tapped out at -9C . only one sidewinder delta 153cfm 120mm (lol as if its only a fan its a beast! load as heck too) on a BIP 3 (since im going to have to go buy long screws to attach the 3 yate loons i have for it.)

ill probly need a second unit though im thinking, even though in all likelyhood the compressors ill be getting are rated to -15C as thier lowest temps

im going to post images of it all swaddled up lol

[Pf.Farnsworth]

Rolled the numbers around and no you cant have 500w in and 1500w out.

So you are chilling air int he case now?

[Time4aMassiveOC]

i dunno thats what the site says

http://www.rechi.com/e-prod-39.htm

yeah im chilling the air as well

and the air temp is down to -10.7C


ok so im about to break down my main rig and steal my dads computer. the silica dessicant doesnt get here till monday

most likely monday will be here before im able to finish but who knows, i may just get this stuff all done quick. it will probly take me abit to get all the waterblocks installed and figure out how im going to mount everything for the moment then ill be able to find out if the a/c can hold under 10C under load (i doubt it will) so ill probly be going to grab another a/c unit unless i get ahold of one of those guys that can get me compressor parts

[Pf.Farnsworth]

i dunno thats what the site says

http://www.rechi.com/e-prod-39.htm

yeah im chilling the air as well

and the air temp is down to -10.7C


ok so im about to break down my main rig and steal my dads computer. the silica dessicant doesnt get here till monday

most likely monday will be here before im able to finish but who knows, i may just get this stuff all done quick. it will probly take me abit to get all the waterblocks installed and figure out how im going to mount everything for the moment then ill be able to find out if the a/c can hold under 10C under load (i doubt it will) so ill probly be going to grab another a/c unit unless i get ahold of one of those guys that can get me compressor parts


I misunderstood. I thought you are talking about a power supply. Your statment is still wrong though. You are not "getting" 1500w "out" of the compressor. You are moving 1500w worth of heat. Heat is not really energy, it gets a little complicating. And you are not getting 1500w out of your compressor, you are just moving 1500w not even related to the compressor around using it.

But just for your general knowledge watts are a measure of power. Power is energy over time. The only way you can get more power out then you put in is if more energy comes out then goes in, which is impossible since it would break the law of conseration of energy. Or if time is smaller, ie if energy will come out faster then it is going in. Which is also impossible since if it comes out faster then goes in eventually there wont be any to come out as it comes out faster then it goes in.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

man oh man.. what a huge pain it was taking that alchohol out of the line so i could add the new blocks jeez and not to mention getting the frigging 7/16 tubing off the 1/2 barbs i gotta step on the tube pretty much and pull the block... wow.. im totally getting tygon 1/2 ID next time i dont care if it leaks...

i didnt order any ram sinks for my x600pro AiW guess i shoulda done that, was planning to grab a 7900GT and go at that but it looks like it may be awhile before i go with that, all for the better anyway, just means that when i do get a new card it will be higher performing for a lesser price.

on top of which that gives me time to work on my cooling unit in preparation for a new system

i have an inkling feeling that my processor is quite maxed out it hasnt been able to do more than 14x266 3.73Ghz@1066FSB for quite some time the highest i have gotten it to boot and run superpi was the 275FSB in my sig and that was when i put a blanket over the airconditioner at the hotel and draped it over the tiny table and put my cpu under the table. making an airconditioned tent. .

thats gonna be a buzzkill when my cpu doesnt even clock any higher under phase lol even if it is rather cheap phase considering the ac unit was only 100$ after tax.. while the pump and blocks and tubing werent cheap... nor the dessicant, nor the antifreeze, nor the denatured alchohol but im going to remove the denatured alcohol for now and put it back in its cans, im going to use some water and antifreeze instead i think. im not getting anywhere near -30C atm so i should be fine i think.

but i gotta say nickles and dimes hurt when thrown at you in mass quantities! jeez!

[greenmaji]

Couldn't you have instaled a drain line?

And yea, if planning a chiller from the start all the normal water cooling parts have to be taken into consideration as the total amount of $$ your going to spend on the system (I dont think the best engineered WCing parts are close to being nessiary for a chiller considering the -C's your working with IMHO)

[Pf.Farnsworth]

but i gotta say nickles and dimes hurt when thrown at you in mass quantities! jeez!

dude you have no f***** idea. I just came back from the hardware store because I needed a square steel rod, some screws, a thread taping bit, a dril bit to match it, and a tapping wrench, $30. Need to make some mounts for some parts in the case. But the bad part is you have no idea how many of these trips I have made since I started this project, we are probbably talking $500 worth in just the little s*** alone.

This project will have me in $3000 with all the tools, mistakes, re-disigning, rethinking and refining. Its not that it costs that much but its really not one unit anymore but the 5th remake, so more like 5th unit. Its going to be perfect when I am done.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

yeah ive spent well over 600$ so far. im going to make a motherboard mount here, any idea what the best material to do it with would be?

i was thinking wood but then i was thinking it'll warp, so im thinking like.. acrylic or some other sort of material thats easy to cut and wont be ruined with moisture or be conductive.

basicly i just want to make a board with 4 legs at the corners and a 120mm fan or 2 in the center blowing air on the bottom side of the motherboard.

[greenmaji]

Depending on what your trying to mount some alum L-channel (cut with hack saw and file and or sand smooth) and pop riviets could do the job.
Steel Rods P.f. you realy need to start a thread dude! your killing me with antisipation :beer:

[Time4aMassiveOC]

by the way i started a new thread and posted a picture through the forums of my videocard asking about its ram and the picture poped up on the forums instead of a link to the picture. but seconds later when i posted those two pics on this thread they showed up as links, how do i get them to show as pictures when they are attachments?
i took them all with the same digital camera,

(the canon SD550) i know i know props to me i love the camera it fits in my pocket and takes nice pictures. when i put it on high quality and largest size its sweet. i have a 2 gig memory chip in it so i can record two 8 minute movies at 640x480 30fps (1gig each) or just exaust the batery trying to fill the camera with huge hi-rez pics.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

Couldn't you have instaled a drain line?

And yea, if planning a chiller from the start all the normal water cooling parts have to be taken into consideration as the total amount of $$ your going to spend on the system (I dont think the best engineered WCing parts are close to being nessiary for a chiller considering the -C's your working with IMHO)

heh actually since i had never worked a watercooling pump before and set it up backwards it was harder to fill than empty, i emptied everything including the trashcan all in one shot gravity and suction is great. had to start and stop it like 15 times before it was finally all full and running correctly when i was filling it... i wont make that mistake this time.

yeah i shoulda gotten silverprops northbridge block since it was all metal but i figured i would try one of each persons brand and i wanted to see what temps that material is good down to. i also wanted to buy with much colder temps in mind for the near future. i wanted a pump speced out to -75C but the one i wanted was around 700$ so that was well out of my price range so i went with the dangerdenD5 everyone likes for chillers. got the Artic Silver Ceramique

[Pf.Farnsworth]

bah dont start camera talk around me, I am a photographer of a sort and I work at wolf camera. Canon is over rated, they are not that great. They have a good PR department though. Nikons glass is generlly sharper. In the slr's and d slar's I would take nikon over canon anyday, infact I am. Had a canon 20D, sold, getting a nikon D200. As far as point and shots go after playing with all of them I settled on the casio Z750. Which is by far the best in every category, which doesnt happen often. The Z850 is out now but after playing with it I still think the 750 is sharper. Pentax makes casio's lenses for general information.

Dont mean to rain on your parade I just get ****ed at all the canon publicity. "hi I got a canon camera and its the best camera ever" .... maybe, if you havent tried other cameras that is, they are good but they are not the holy grail people make them out to be. *sigh, sorry. I am done

[Pf.Farnsworth]

Steel Rods P.f. you realy need to start a thread dude! your killing me with antisipation :beer:

Well I am not going to post much untill its done, and I dont want to polute the forum with threads of pictures of steel rods either. But since you want to see them so bad I can post some pictures here. Some nice shots of some quality parts. If Time4aMassiveOC gets mad at me for poluting his thread I'll take them down.

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[Pf.Farnsworth]

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[Time4aMassiveOC]

so what is all that for?

the silica gel should be here tommorow.

apparently the All in Wonder versions of cards incompatibilty with like every single heatsink has been solved lmao

let me go take a picture.. its funny. i wouldnt have been able to put on the heatsink due to some capacitors that were in the way. but i put my mind to work and came up with a quick solution.

here you can see the two caps nuzzled up next to the block on both the left and right sides in the pic.

bear in mind the block is supposed to be installed parallel to the white lines on the videocard.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

heres where i modded it with a nut and screw and some plate thingy that it came with go me! lol took me all of like 1 minute to figure it out once i realized it wasnt compatible with the card.


look at the huge cap that its nuzzled against that makes 3 capacitors its nuzzled up against.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

All that is for my chiller. And thats not even everything. The tools I didnt really buy for this I already have quite a collection. Love my oxy/ace tourch. I just took some shots because I felt like it.

Your pictures are a little blurry there Mr sd550. Looks like you were to close for the camera to focus, or the exposure was to long since you turned the flash off and couldnt hold it steady. Whitebalance settings on the camera need some adjustment. Try to make sure it has focused, get better lighting so you dont have to use the flash, especially in macro mode, oh and if you are not using the macro mode use it, makes focusing closer easier, and if you do have to use the flash make a make-shift diffuser out something semi-transparent. Change your whitebalance settings in acordance with your lighting, seems the auto mode is a bit off.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

oh yeah baby the silica gel is here lol

heh, yeah i have shaky hands. out of like 30 pictures those were the clearest. the autofocus is ok, sometimes when im using it up real close or something i gotta refocus a few times and yeah due to my shaky hands the better the lighting the better the pics. heh but yeah im totally stoked that i have a decent digital camera / camcorder small enough to take basicly anywhere in your pocket and still take some decent pics. and for someone as inexperienced with cameras and thier settings, the autofocus and point and shoot nature of the camera is perfect for having fun. :)

but im sure with the camera you liked for a point and shoot id be able to take better pictures after some practice.

lol how do you like that mod tho, thats funny huh

[Pf.Farnsworth]

haha, 550 is a good camera :thup:

Nice mod, now you are the official original gangsta of silverdrop :sn:

[greenmaji]

Nice mod, now you are the official original gangsta of silverdrop :sn:

HAHA!

yea.. hez da OG uv da SD' G :p

[Time4aMassiveOC]

thats funny stuff. i prefer original goober but w/e heh, i wonder if there are any blocks for the all in wonders... all i ever hear about them is about how someone realized his wasnt compatible like the normal non AiW cards

[Pf.Farnsworth]

I run the 9800 all in wonder right now, lol, guess I will have fun installing this one untill I get my dual *insert whatever is the newest from ati by christmas*

[Time4aMassiveOC]

why anyone would want dual videocards other than to break a record is beyond me. i just cant see buying 2 newest of the new videocards for the lame assortment of games out. i feel 1 and then upgrading in a year to play newest games at highest quality.but two 600$ cards just seem a little overkill to me.

not that im not going to buy two new dualcore cards for my new cooling system when im done with it

lol.

anyway im making progress, all i need to do now is connect the monitor to videocard, fill in the holes with insulation and epoxy&screw the cover on.

but first i think imma turn the thing on to make sure it runs to begin with. lol ill have the pictures up in abit

[Pf.Farnsworth]

If you have one game that is worth buying some extra power for its worth it. I speak first hand.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

haha, im done, well not nearly finalized but, its done enough to turn on. however at the moment im being rather impaitent. i just sealed it all up with the dessicant and all in there but the problem is that all the fans inside are tied to the system. so i cant turn them on without turning on the cpu. which means i cant have the airtemp already as low as it will get before i turn it on.

so instead im cooling my res right now and ill give the silica gel packs about 2 hours to do thier stuff at room temp, then im turning the pump on and seeing if i get any condensation on the tubing. if not then ill turn on the system

eh, im so ready to just turn this sucker on and let it run. but the parts are all semi dusty (you know the kind you cant just blow off) so lol if there was ever a test of condenstation or not this is it lol.


who's foot could that be? surely the sock full of dessicant inside the case didnt come right off his own foot!

[Pf.Farnsworth]

why again are you cooling the air? It makes a much better insulator then conductor...

[Time4aMassiveOC]

heh so i decided to be impaitent. i saw condensation but decided to go for abit anyway, the cpu temp reads 0 C and so does the system temp but its barely there i havnt put it under load yet, but true to my feelings i think this little puppy is just maxxed out (that and its old now, been under air and overclocked to the most it would be prime stable for quite some time)

i booted it up at default and it ran, so i let it chill there with the fans on the inside on hoping that those and the dessicant would keep the condensation at bay. but like i knew there was condensation so it didnt work, i got errors so im waiting for the dessicant to do its thing, and suck up all the moisture rigged the fans up to another psu and got them running in there. heh we'll see if i can get it to run at my normal 266x14 3.73fsb i dont think its even going to see the light of 3.85 again i tried for 225x17 at 1.4125 vcore but it still wouldnt work, let hope it was all a condensation issue. but i dont think so.

ill have some more pics as i progress, i added some to the previous posts

[greenmaji]

:eek:

INSULATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:

What exacly were you thinking?

[Time4aMassiveOC]

lol, i dunno several days and nights of toil. i was so excited to be finished i couldnt help myself. now i have to wait for the moisture to be absorbed and try again

looks like the moisture is evaporating to be absorbed quite quickly with the fans on, should be ready to go in a few hours.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

You are killing your preformance by not insulating.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

yeah i know i need to buy some tubing insulation. but ill probly buy another unit before i did that. and id probly buy a compressor and build a unit of my own before that.

[greenmaji]

can you afford to lose that hardware???? :shrug:

[Pf.Farnsworth]

can you afford to lose that hardware???? :shrug:

bling da bling Time4aMassiveOC

stuck in a quandary like you finding someone wearing your laundry
like maybe me in your woman's panties
confused like you trying to decode my Windows installation
installing bugfixes to make a thug richer than he's been before

[Time4aMassiveOC]

hah, can i afford to lose it, well in my opinion if you cant afford to lose a part of your cpu then you probly shouldnt be overclocking, as just doing that in moderation seems to churn out parts failures at a constant rate.

in any case ive had condensation before and got lucky, so maybe im abit carefree. we'll see how happy go lucky i feel tommorow when i wake up and my cpu still wont boot and i have to tear it apart and see if i fried something.

right now its giving me a F3 code on the motherboard debug led. which is a timeout for the shutdown process. apparently something is still wet lol.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

right now its giving me a F3 code on the motherboard debug led. which is a timeout for the shutdown process. apparently something is still wet lol.

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8994/slap0mf.gif

[Time4aMassiveOC]

heh, so i woke up, it still wont boot, gives me a few more error codes. basicly something is wet,(or was wet and now dried up leaving conductive remenants behind) and is screwing with the power heh, so i really really really dont want to open up the case and remove everything. but then again, my case is going to need a door in it anyway... maybe its time to cut her open and give her a door

[Pf.Farnsworth]

or you shorted something out when it was wet and now you are f***** :rolleyes:

[Time4aMassiveOC]

heh ya never know, i doubt its ruined though. we'll see lol im thinking the only thing that really got wet was the cpu pins silly me.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

heh so i got her running, just took off the case, tried reseting cmos to no avail, and then i looked at the motherboard and saw that it was slightly bent, so i remembered people having issues with thier blocks being too tight, so i loosened all the blocks basicly as far as they would go, save the gpu. and then i decided to test my theory and pull up on the cpu waterblock a tiny bit to unbend the board, and viola she starts giving me different error codes which was a good thing. and then i got it to boot up to bios. i then overclocked the ram and it bluescreened, but that was cause i had no fans running. so i reset the cmos and nearly killed my motherboard (accidentally hit the power button while it was still jumpered to reset cmos) and then put the fans on and now it has no issues (well i havnt overclocked it back to 266x14
) but w/e all in good time

lol yeah yeah i know im lucky,

but i wonder what it was,

1.the bent board

2.the possibly overtightened blocks

3.the condensation dried up

4. jiggling the parts magicly fixed it like it does so many other things

5. hitting the power button while the cmos was jumpered to reset.

lmao


wow, time flies when you are fiddlin with a computer, i swear it was like no more than 10 when i started tearin the case apart now its 1:46 in the morning...

so yeah baby i got my cpu started again lol

anyway tommorow im going to get to work on the revision now that i know what the problem was.

heh, and you guys were all worried for nothing.

[greenmaji]

Ahhh, not worried for nothing, just pointing out the exess needless risk taken.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

Ahhh, not worried for nothing, just pointing out the exess needless risk taken.

yeah, excess needless risk would be putting it lightly.


lmao oh man,, to put the cherry on top i forgot to mention this in the story..

ill edit it and add it to the list in my last post.

so when i tore apart the case and was fiddling with it before i got it to boot i was like ok time to reset the cmos.

so i did, to no avail. jiggled the stuff saw it chage debug codes from its usual routine of F3 to 8A and back so i was like..let me try resetting the cmos again i dont think i left it on there long enough.

so my stupid A** decides to forget and tried to turn the thing on while the jumper was set to reset. i looked at what i had done in horror. i was dumbstruck with my idiocy in such a way that left my jaw hanging slack with my mouth open. not only was my computer already not booting, but i just decided to try to erase my motherboard and really dig the hole a little deeper.

so yeah in a what i thought was a rather pointless action , i set the jumper back and hit the power switch. alas... nothing... my heart sunk a microscopic bit further than it already had been and i felt sick withmyself for being so completly retarded. and then it sprang to life! lol wonders never cease. wasnt working, i did something that should have messed it up even more, and it fixed it! lmao

just call me lucky