VapoChill LS usage??

[danimbk]

Hey,
Trying to find out how others use these. Anyone leave it on 24/7? Aside from the energy bill increase - this thing seems like it needs to rest at night. I leave it on most of the day but shut the computer down when not in use. How long do you think these will last?? Thanks

[Nebulous]

I had my prommy mach1 runnin 24/7 with no issues. As a matter of fact it runs better @ 24/7 use than turning it on and off.

The only way it would go bad is A: if it springs a leak or B: it explodes.

You got nothing to worry about leaving it on. it's designed to remain on 24/7.

[greenmaji]

fan on the condesor will die eventually.. but that will take a while.. and there should be some safty devices to shut everything down in such a situation (through the controller on the unit)

so yea, people do run them 24/7 with adiquite condensation precautions..

[Pf.Farnsworth]

you can run them 24/7 no problem.

As far as power and cost goes:


I dont know what compressor is in it but 300w compressor
pulled 24/7
@ $0.15 USD per KW-hour (California, San Fransico)

is ~ $32 USD per month.

[greenmaji]

and the cost of energy is about half of that in most of the US.. ~8cents per KW-hr

Thats one of the most if not the most expensive markets for energy that I know of in the United States

[Pf.Farnsworth]

you always have to have the last word green dont ya :santa:

[greenmaji]

you always have to have the last word green dont ya :santa:

Ive run across pretty smart people that didnt know how much they were paying for the juice :p

[Big Nuttz]

I've been running 24/7 for about a year and 3 momths with my Vapo LS.

[jeepguy_1980]

For you guys running these phase change kits. How low do your proc temps get? How does this affect the mobo, case and video card temps?

[Nebulous]

For you guys running these phase change kits. How low do your proc temps get? How does this affect the mobo, case and video card temps?


This only affects cpu temps. Temps range in sub zero cold. Accuracy is hard to determine b/c each unit/cpu runs different temps loaded and idle.

These units do not affect video card temps nor mobo temps. These temps still remain in normal air cooled range.

[jeepguy_1980]

This only affects cpu temps. Temps range in sub zero cold. Accuracy is hard to determine b/c each unit/cpu runs different temps loaded and idle.

These units do not affect video card temps nor mobo temps. These temps still remain in normal air cooled range.


My proc runs at about 40c idle and 58-61c under load. If this heat were absorbed by a phase change kit, would the rest of my temps drop? I know they will not be sub-ambient but I was just wondering if I'd see a drop across the board.

[greenmaji]

Are you asking if your case temps would drop a little? Thus having cooler air to cool the rest of your rig?
I would say that's not as signifigant as the actuall CPU cooling itself.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

For you guys running these phase change kits. How low do your proc temps get? How does this affect the mobo, case and video card temps?


Well they are not always "kits". The systems usually make for themselves are much better. Maybe with the exception of systems people on places like XS are pushing out now, but then again, when you make one yourself you make it exactly how you want it to suit your exact needs and wants.

You can have evap temperatures between -30C to -60C on single stages. And as low as -170C on cascades.

The area around the cpu will get heavy condensation so you ussualy want to insulate everything prety well. And yes this does drop your case temperatures alot because the heat from the cpu is not going in to the air in the case but to the condenser and is dissapated somewhere else.

[jeepguy_1980]

I am more interested in a kit, b/c I'm not sure I could make my own and no offense to anyone here but most of the home made stuff I've seen is too ugly to put in my house.

I know those guys get crazy temps, but torn apart air conditioners or massive compressors on pieces of plywood with copper tubing all over the place would probably not make my wife happy. Plus my kid would get into and destroy it.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

I am more interested in a kit, b/c I'm not sure I could make my own and no offense to anyone here but most of the home made stuff I've seen is too ugly to put in my house.

I know those guys get crazy temps, but torn apart air conditioners or massive compressors on pieces of plywood with copper tubing all over the place would probably not make my wife happy. Plus my kid would get into and destroy it.

Its only ugly is you build it that way.

To get good preformance you dont need air conditioners or massive compressors. You need brain and some attention to detail.

Do you think this is ugly?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73280
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83424
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87420
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88071



I think what you think the "kits" are, are not kits at all, just nice systems made by people on forums. What would consider "kits" are things like vapochil/prometia that are mass produced, cost alot, preform poor and are all fluf mearly surviving my the marketing moto "easiest to use, all ready" in truth not being any different as far as use goes as the systems people are building. If you want a pretty one, quiet one, small one, cold one, build it like so.

Torn up ac units on plywood is not what I am talking about, those are ussualy the trash units and wont see as you say "crazy temperatures".

[Epox4life]

What would consider "kits" are things like vapochil/prometia that are mass produced, cost alot, preform poor and are all fluf mearly surviving my the marketing moto "easiest to use, all ready" in truth not being any different as far as use goes as the systems people are building.

Take it easy on the vapochill's and prometeia's.
You can get them for a fair price used.

I just got a vapochill LS and its working great, I run my cedar mill 651 @ 5.4GHz 24/7.
And can get it to 5.8GHz, only 200mhz less then dry ice.

[jeepguy_1980]

Its only ugly is you build it that way.

To get good preformance you dont need air conditioners or massive compressors. You need brain and some attention to detail.

Do you think this is ugly?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73280
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83424
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87420
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88071



I think what you think the "kits" are, are not kits at all, just nice systems made by people on forums. What would consider "kits" are things like vapochil/prometia that are mass produced, cost alot, preform poor and are all fluf mearly surviving my the marketing moto "easiest to use, all ready" in truth not being any different as far as use goes as the systems people are building. If you want a pretty one, quiet one, small one, cold one, build it like so.

Torn up ac units on plywood is not what I am talking about, those are ussualy the trash units and wont see as you say "crazy temperatures".


The first and last ones you showed are or seem to be kits that someone is selling (as they referred to them as "our latest single stage unit." Though, I will agree that it and they are damned sexy and far better looking than the mass produced kits.

However, the fabrication skill required to produce those far exceeds my talent and equipment.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

I dont really see them as kits or as mass production, they are made by individuals at homes very small quantaties, but I guess the definition of the word "kit" in this context can ve debated and is a metter of personal opinion :)

[Epox4life]

a kit most of the time means, it comes with everything you need to make it function.

[jeepguy_1980]

a kit most of the time means, it comes with everything you need to make it function.


To which Farnsworth confessed is a valid arugment. However, he was claiming that it's not really a kit b/c it's not mass produced.

I agree to a degree. However, it's still not fair to compare a product I would produce to those. They're made by someone with enough skill to sell and do so at a profit. If I made my own phase change unit, I'd be lucky if it worked and it certainly wouldn't look pretty.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

If I made my own phase change unit, I'd be lucky if it worked and it certainly wouldn't look pretty.

Dont be so harsh on yourself, you would probbably make a good unit. The people that dont are the once that do the opposite, overestimate them selves. I have faith in you :)

I came to xtremesystems.org/forums not knowing much but I made out pretty well haha

[greenmaji]

To which Farnsworth confessed is a valid arugment. However, he was claiming that it's not really a kit b/c it's not mass produced.

I agree to a degree. However, it's still not fair to compare a product I would produce to those. They're made by someone with enough skill to sell and do so at a profit. If I made my own phase change unit, I'd be lucky if it worked and it certainly wouldn't look pretty.

For the most part, no one selling these non-mass produced units are making a profit, its a hobby (they might be making a little money on the units sold, but the investment in tools and time far outweigh that amount of money IMHO). To put it bluntly, Chilly1 is in the hole and he sells more units then he can make.
And as far as fabricating one that looks good, that would depend on your moding skills, If you have some experince modding cases then fabing one for a phase system wouldn't be that far off, of corse that takes some practice :)
Not to mention, there are a few pre-fab cases out there that people use to put there water cooling equipment inside the case with the computer, alot of phase builders are just building the phase units inside one of these computer cases, problem solved.

[Pf.Farnsworth]

case and point:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96366&highlight=lian

lian li V2000 and V2100 work great
http://webpages.charter.net/jinwpark/PhaseChange/ProductionA/Mine/IMG_7853.JPG

but most larger cases would do
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2589/hpim20297tn.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/4271/hpim20385vc.jpg

[jeepguy_1980]

case and point:

lian li V2000 and V2100 work great
http://webpages.charter.net/jinwpark/PhaseChange/ProductionA/Mine/IMG_7853.JPG


Now that is awesome and I would love to have that, even more than the sweet looking external boxes.

[Sucka]

If you run it 24/7 makes sure you do a little extra work with the condensation protection. Few times when i threw my Mach II together quickly and then changed the CPU out after several hours of use there would be a little more condensation than i would like. If you take the extra steps to seal it, you should be fine for unlimited use.

[jeepguy_1980]

I'm assuming the place to start is with a good compressor. Only one I found on ebay is for a walk in freezer, which is probably overkill, but it is at $20 right now.

Ebay Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/Copeland-Compressor-for-Walk-In-Freezer-Unused_W0QQitemZ7618453405QQcategoryZ25377QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[jeepguy_1980]

Sorry, posted four times, this new php program seems a little slow and it doesn't spin the ring up around firefox when you push send, so you have no idea if it's working or not.


Edit, make that 6 times now.