Best celly starting at 800 to o/c

[murdoch]

Ok I am going to pick up a new celly and want some advice on which one starting at the 800(preferrably cdo) will mostly likely reach the 133 fsb.I will try the tulatin later but right now reaching the 133 stable is a goal over raw cpu numbers. If I can reach that preferably with low voltage then, well,,,,, its time to barbeque. Got the goods, crucial cas 2 133, alpha heatsink/fan, case 4fans, 2 in 2 out, also 1 fan on northbridge, 1 on gf2 mmx. After going over the data base well theres not much on 800 and 850 for cdo, only what is, is very good for 133. But, I would like the 900 cause, well,,, come on the 1.2 gig is hard not to truly want but I would settle for an 800 stable at 1.85 volts and 133 than a 900 at 112 and 1.90 volts. So your opinions ,experiences what you heard from a friend of a friend and so on would be appreciated.






"Remeber always buy low and clock high"

[Rmcky]

murdoch, can't speak for everyone else, but here's what my results were. I bought 4 OEM CPUs, 2 800s and 2 900s. Both 800s were absolutely stable at 133mhz and could probably have been called stable at 140, however at 140, they took quite a bit of voltage and heat became a concern. At 133 and 1.85 volts, they are golden and heat is about the same as stock settings.

The 900s were a totally different story. Both would run Windows for days at 133mhz and would run both 3DMark programs most of the time, however sit down for a 3D gaming session, you'd consistently knock them to their knees. Perhaps better cooling might have helped, since I was testing with a Golden Orb and a Power Cooler unit, which is only slightly more efficient than the Orb, but I never did get either of the 900s stable at 133mhz.

I'm running one of the 800s now at 1064mhz and it's rock solid, it can run Prime 95 for days on end in the background without any errors, while doing any other gaming or tasks you ask of it. I sold the other one and it's performing just as well.

I'm running one of the 900s at 116mhz now, which nets about the same overall speed, 1044, but it's not as fast due to the slower ram timing. It's plenty stable and solid there, but I really wanted 1.2ghz out of it. Simply no way for me. I sold the other and as far as I know it's running at or around 125mhz right now, so it wasn't any better on his rig, either.

You can get some valuable info on CPUs from the database here, but if I were to advise someone about the best overclocker in the range you're asking about, I'd say the 800 wins hands down. HTH

Rick

[Yodums]

Originally posted by Rmcky
murdoch, can't speak for everyone else, but here's what my results were. I bought 4 OEM CPUs, 2 800s and 2 900s. Both 800s were absolutely stable at 133mhz and could probably have been called stable at 140, however at 140, they took quite a bit of voltage and heat became a concern. At 133 and 1.85 volts, they are golden and heat is about the same as stock settings.

The 900s were a totally different story. Both would run Windows for days at 133mhz and would run both 3DMark programs most of the time, however sit down for a 3D gaming session, you'd consistently knock them to their knees. Perhaps better cooling might have helped, since I was testing with a Golden Orb and a Power Cooler unit, which is only slightly more efficient than the Orb, but I never did get either of the 900s stable at 133mhz.

I'm running one of the 800s now at 1064mhz and it's rock solid, it can run Prime 95 for days on end in the background without any errors, while doing any other gaming or tasks you ask of it. I sold the other one and it's performing just as well.

I'm running one of the 900s at 116mhz now, which nets about the same overall speed, 1044, but it's not as fast due to the slower ram timing. It's plenty stable and solid there, but I really wanted 1.2ghz out of it. Simply no way for me. I sold the other and as far as I know it's running at or around 125mhz right now, so it wasn't any better on his rig, either.

You can get some valuable info on CPUs from the database here, but if I were to advise someone about the best overclocker in the range you're asking about, I'd say the 800 wins hands down. HTH

Rick

Dude Rick send me one! I don't even care if its the 'bad' 900 overclocker.. :p Yes you can possibly reach it with your rig..

Whats your current motherboard?

The 800 are good overclockers from what I heard you'll be able to reach 1.1gig..That is with some good cooling :)

Good Luck!

[murdoch]

Rmcky you the man! Talk about answering exactly what I wanted to know with plenty of proof to back it.They oughta post it in the guide for cpu o/c your results, I mean, Thanks so much. I will go will the 800 only tricky part is getting a cdo but since its been a while since it came and cdo are the new revision most stock will hopefully be cdo. I had a 633a and was quite a chip but finicky to retain that 100 fsb which tells me that the 900 may the same. plan is try it out till jan. then switch to tulatin(price drop). do you know what the best tualitan boards are and if they are backawards compatiable to all p3s?

[Rmcky]

All four of my chips came from TCWO. Of course the 900s were naturally cDo, but so were both 800s, too. Good prices and low shipping, so I hope this might be a helpful option for you. They seemed like a good company, shipped the same day and e-mailed the tracking number right away. Also, packaged very securely.

I'm not sure about the best Tualatin boards. I've got a Tusl2-C, but haven't had a chance to test it with a Tualatin yet. UPS is supposed to drop one off here Monday afternoon. I got all the info about the Tualatin boards from threads right here. I'm not sure I read close enough though. This Asus board seems pretty nice, however it does have a few shortcomings. I believe it will do what I need it to, but to be honest, I'm beginning to think I might have been better off with the I-Will bd133u. It seems to have a few more overclocking features. I think all I-815 Tualatin boards are backwards compatible with all Coppermine and Celeron PPGA CPUs. I can't really say for certain about the VIA and SIS chipsets, though. Hope that helps.

Rick

[Rmcky]

Oh, BTW, if you should order from Thompson's Computer Warehouse, call in your order and mention Pricewatch, because I think you save a few dollars that way, like maybe $10-12 off their website price, so it's worth the toll-free call.

The best deal I've seen on the Asus Tusl2-C was from Newegg, I think it was $105 with free Fed-Ex shipping.

Rick

[murdoch]

Thanks Rick I will check that site out but I live in canada and most just won't ship here. I can pick up a celly 800cdo here for about 80 american (just bring in the sspecs and find the one I want). The only american companies that have no problem shipping to canada is crucial and memory suppliers. Just order some micron 512 pc 150 cas 3 rated to run at 133 at cas 2 for 54 bucks a stick. Hard to find 512 cas 2 133 but i would prefer a couple sticks than 4 256 better for o/c and a much less drag on your power supply since each stick of ram regardless of size sucks quite abit of power. Supposedly as of monday the gravy trian of cheap ddr and sdram is over and prices will start climbing. This was supposed to happen after christmas or Jan. but just in case I decided to buy some now and unload my crucial(micron)256 and 128 when the prices climb to cover the costs. Thanks for the info will definitley check out the web site god I would love to find some wholesalers who ship to canada. And cut out the middleman. P.s any info on potential dual tualitans running true tualitan not celly version with prefetch and full 512 cache. Now wouldn't that be the sh$tt. Alas I heard a big no but hey untill we see the true chips we won't know.(could be a simple trick to make happen). Thanks again Rick