View Full Version : G80 release date...?
andyisc00l
05-02-06, 11:22 PM
Anyone know this? i can't find it anywhere and I wanna get a 7900gt a couple months before and use the evga step up thing...anyone know? (also does anyone else use the step up program?...meaning you or any other companies)
Dan0512
05-03-06, 03:05 AM
They are DX10, and DX10 is Vista only, so I guess they will be released shortly after Vista is releseased. I've heard a rumor though, that DX10 cards are not backwards compatible (DX9, 8, 7), so it might not be able to play those games.
dan
lets hope its just a rumor.
Dan0512
05-03-06, 10:12 AM
lets hope its just a rumor.
Yes, imagine having to give up all the old games!
dan
Drinkyoghurt
05-03-06, 10:13 AM
that would suck...i love cod2 and bia..lets just hope the rumors are wrong
Roofles
05-03-06, 11:34 AM
DX10 cards will be backwards compatable. It will be termed DX9L apparently, there was an article on digg I think a day ago about DX10 and this.
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTA0NSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
There ya go!
Whew! I was scared for a moment. If they did happen to make DX10 cards that are not backwards compatible, that (in my opinion) would be a really stupid move.
Yea, I would be ****ed too if they wouldn't work with COD2
I have heard rumors of the r600 being released around december. I would imagine that Nvidea would also release a new card around that time. If it is the g80, idk.
one problem:according to that article dx9L is also embedded into windows vista, not just dx10.that means dx10 cards cant run xp!
one problem:according to that article dx9L is also embedded into windows vista, not just dx10.that means dx10 cards cant run xp!
That logic doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't a new version of dx be released to install? I know on my old comp, I installed 7, then 8, then 8.1, then 9, and finally 9c. Why wouldn't they just release 9L for xp? Just because 9L is embedded into vista, doesn't mean they can't make it available download.
I didn't read the article, so if it said something that would make my statement invalid, please say so.
basically the article says both dx10 and dx9L are vista only.
With vista being postponed time after time i don't see why game developers can currently write for DX10 with any confidence. So, i'll stick with DX9. All the cool kids in town are doing it.
>HyperlogiK<
05-04-06, 05:18 AM
if vista is delayed enough this could be a minor coup for OGL 2
Well, from what I have gathered, no guaruntee it being fully acurate. Is that there will be two types of cards, Standard DX10 and Unified DX10 cards. The standard cards will work just like any other video card, backwards compatible to everything for the most part, but unified will have much better DX10 performance, but for the most part not run jack from anything before DX9, if that.
Makes no sense at all to think a DirX10 card can not run previous versions of games and operating systems..That would put a stop to retail sales of hardware in quite the hurry .
If that is true, screw DX10. No way in hell i'm gonna stop playing my old games.
there will be two types of cards, Standard DX10 and Unified DX10 cards. The standard cards will work just like any other video card, backwards compatible to everything for the most part, but unified will have much better DX10 performance, but for the most part not run jack from anything before DX9, if that.
if g80 is standard dx10 and r600 is unified dx10 than i can see myself getting g80 come christmas :D .assuming it will run dx9c and xp of course.if not 7900 is my next upgrade.
>HyperlogiK<
05-04-06, 08:01 AM
This is going to be interesting, like the Blu Ray situation will, if the companies pull it off, we will become ever more tied to Windows Vista, and increasingly less able to exercise fair use of products, if it fails, then a lot of very big blue chip companies are going to have billions of dollar holes in their balance sheets.
chevro1et
05-04-06, 12:01 PM
My understanding (at this point in time) is that dx10 will be vista only, and that since the marchitecture will be so different from dx9 that dx10 will actually run an emulator for dx7 to dx9... but again, vista-only. I dunno how/ if dx10 cards will run on an xp system...
Evilsizer
05-04-06, 01:30 PM
this just sounds nasty... looks like im going to be buying a 7900 after all..
Like I said, from what I have read so far. This aint me making anything up myself. But I agree, for the time being, screw DX10. I dont want vista anyways.
Dan0512
05-04-06, 02:31 PM
Like I said, from what I have read so far. This aint me making anything up myself. But I agree, for the time being, screw DX10. I dont want vista anyways.
I'm with you. Ain't purchasing no crappo 700MB PF OS just for DX10. *Hope* they make DX10 for XP, otherwise they'll be making a very stupid move.
dan
ShadowPho
05-04-06, 02:46 PM
I believe that some company will still continue making DX9 games and getting cash, and the DX10 games will be making much less cash.
I believe that some company will still continue making DX9 games and getting cash, and the DX10 games will be making much less cash.
dumb idea on Microsofts part not releasing DX10 on XP. I understand not being backward compatible with older games but forcing users to upgrade to an OS with no definite improvement in stability or functionality and then to restrict the users functionality.
Sounds like speculation rather than any sort of fact.
Mr.Guvernment
05-04-06, 06:51 PM
dumb idea on Microsofts part not releasing DX10 on XP. I understand not being backward compatible with older games but forcing users to upgrade to an OS with no definite improvement in stability or functionality and then to restrict the users functionality.
Sounds like speculation rather than any sort of fact.
yuppers.
Not only would that **** off alot of customers but imagine the game developers then having to code their games for 2 versions of DX..... not gonna fly..
I dunno how/ if dx10 cards will run on an xp system...
g80 must be capable of running xp via dx9c if its to be released before vista.
>HyperlogiK<
05-06-06, 03:05 AM
agreed, nvidia isn't going to shoot itself in the foot at Microsoft's behest.
There is no way that Ati or Nvidia will make a graphic card that will not support directx 9, they would loose too much money imo. Picture this: the G80 is coming out befor Vista and if they dont make it dx9 compatible, who will buy it then, if it wont run on their systems? And even when vista comes out and if there will be no way playing dx9 and lover games on those grafic cards who the **** will buy those cards if they will be ussles?
Was talking with an IT tech that I have known for years, and he said that what he has heard, is that G80 cards wont work in XP, not that it wont run DX9 at all. I am not trying to say this is truth, just what is coming out of the rumor mill.
I have a really hard time believing anything in this thread, I'm bonna pull out the BS meter and its already setting off alarms. I guess we will jsut have to wait and see.
I have a really hard time believing anything in this thread, I'm bonna pull out the BS meter and its already setting off alarms. I guess we will jsut have to wait and see.
Don't get between the Large Corporations and The Money. I can see it happening.
Thats the thing it won't make them any money, historically with technology when new standards don't allow for backwards compatibility without providing an unquestioned huge advantage they fail. This would be one of those instances. I jsut have a really hard tiume beliving this at all, there is no real reason they can't be backwards compatible its just software.
I read an article where they stated that G80 will not be a totaly new arhitecture but that they will build from G71 only to make it dx10 compatible and that it will be capable of running dx9.
>HyperlogiK<
05-06-06, 11:05 AM
I wouldn't be surprised, companies rarely ever come up with a wholly new architecture, and when they do it is only when either the previous one was completely terrible, or they aqcuire another company.
Thats the thing it won't make them any money, historically with technology when new standards don't allow for backwards compatibility without providing an unquestioned huge advantage they fail. This would be one of those instances. I jsut have a really hard tiume beliving this at all, there is no real reason they can't be backwards compatible its just software.
Yeah, this is even more pertinent considering that many 3D graphics cards sold never play a single game, the OEMs don't matter, because they will all be selling machines with vista anyway, but there will be a significant number of people who will probably take some convincing that they need to buy a new OS as an accessory for their new card, and the only benefit which they will see is that the clunky 3D interface will be rendered a little more efficiently. Although we should note that RAMBUS memory, MCA peripherals, OS/2 Warp, Itanium and Microsoft Blackbird have all been tremendously successful, so you never know ;).
Was talking with an IT tech that I have known for years, and he said that what he has heard, is that G80 cards wont work in XP, not that it wont run DX9 at all. I am not trying to say this is truth, just what is coming out of the rumor mill.
its got to be a rumor.from what ive heard, g80 will be released in a few months from now, as will r580+ while vista on the other hand wont be around till next year.and microsoft has confirmed vista wont ship with dx10! dx10 ships after vista.probably because a physics api is being coded into it.so g80 must be able to run on current software.who knows how it will perform though...and r600 will be released "later" my guess about the same time as vista or dx10 due to unified cards poor performance in xp.
its got to be a rumor.from what ive heard, g80 will be released in a few months from now, as will r580+ while vista on the other hand wont be around till next year.and microsoft has confirmed vista wont ship with dx10! dx10 ships after vista.probably because a physics api is being coded into it.so g80 must be able to run on current software.who knows how it will perform though...and r600 will be released "later" my guess about the same time as vista or dx10 due to unified cards poor performance in xp.
Yeah, that would make sense, so maybe the unified card will be G85 or something.
twoeyes
05-07-06, 05:42 PM
I'm thinking DX9L and DX9c are compatible APIs, hence the reason old games will run on DX9L (but as with any software upgrade thats supposed to work the same, little bugs will seep in that will criple some games). DX9L is probably closer to a wrapper then an actual API, so I can see cards that support DX9L running DX9c just fine.
Though I have a question for someone with more knowlege on the subject... What does it mean for a card to support a given DX package? I was under the impression it just had to have a certain feature set such as shader model 4 support (which in itself is just another feature set/standardization), otherwise as the name states programmable graphics processors are basically the same thing? I'm not sure what would hamper it from using DX9 and below.
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