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Well im interested in getting Linux running on my FTP server but ive got one problem. I plan on downloading it from this site, http://fedora.redhat.com/. My problem is I dont know how to get .ISO files on a CD or a DVD, im sure its pretty simple ive just never done it before. Thanks.
da_spork
05-12-06, 07:06 PM
Check out this link (http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/isofaq.html)
There are some links on the side as to how to burn them
Most applications that allow you to burn software has an option to "Burn as an ISO" underneath the "Data" section of ways to burn.
Thanks for the quick response, ill give one of those programs a try. Hope it works!
You can give Fedora a try, but for anything long term I would urge you to try something that is not RPM based, I think you will find it to be much easier to install/uinstall/upgrade software packages using a package manager such as apt-get.
For a server I would say debian stable would be a good choice.
http://www.debian.org
You can give Fedora a try, but for anything long term I would urge you to try something that is not RPM based, I think you will find it to be much easier to install/uinstall/upgrade software packages using a package manager such as apt-get.
For a server I would say debian stable would be a good choice.
http://www.debian.org
Fedora Core has yum which is a package manager that is just as easy to use as apt-get. Some people have commented before that it is a 'sloppy' implementation of a package manager because it is a python script, but I have never had any problems with it.
klingens
05-14-06, 09:29 AM
yum is not a packagemanager. RPM is. yum is a downloader and automatic dependency resolver and a frontend to rpm.
All that said: neither rpm nor yum are the problem but the packages themselves. They just aren't made with enough care and the lack of central repositories, with each packagesource doing it "their way(tm)", makes rpm distros simply unmaintainable over the long term.
Flamed_Chip
05-14-06, 10:12 AM
Fedora Core has yum which is a package manager that is just as easy to use as apt-get. Some people have commented before that it is a 'sloppy' implementation of a package manager because it is a python script, but I have never had any problems with it.
The Gentoo package manager, Portage, is also written in Python. That in no way makes it "sloppy."
The Gentoo package manager, Portage, is also written in Python. That in no way makes it "sloppy."
No, it is very good, but it is getting quite slow. :(
I dont think I will be using this long term. I just wanted something Linux and a friend of mine suggested this so I thought "why not?". I havn't gotten a chance to burn the CDs untill tonight. I hope everything goes smoothly.
Well, if it is just a quick test to see what it is all about, then FC should do a good enough job.
Midnight Dream
05-14-06, 09:10 PM
looking at fedora core
Please dont. The distro tends to get scared when people look at it, and then loses all its RPMs everywhere. Quite a mess. I suggest something less scarable, like Debian. It can handle its packages better.
Richard
05-14-06, 09:15 PM
One of the best things about linux is there's no need to commit to a specific distro. Download and burn them all. Try each one for a week or so. Come back to the ones that you like. If you get to a dead end, try to find a way out. If you break it, keep starting over until you don't break it, or learn how to fix it.
That's one thing I'll say about all of these distros. I've always learned ~something. I can tell you what I've learned, but it won't stick until you do it for yourself.
Fedora, isn't a "bad" distro. It's just that there are better choices. The kicker is that the "best" choice seems to be dependant on the person's comfort zone with linux. That only comes with time.
In an ideal world, the easiest distro would also be the best. However, linux's GNU library of software and driver development could hardly be considered - ideal. Therefore, it is very important that the user educates him/herself in a myriad of subjects; in order to be a "holistic" linux user.
Well I seem to have run into a little problem when trying to format the computer. I burned Fedora Core onto 5 CDs using Nero 7 Ultra Edition. I turn the computer on and stick in disk 1, the computer boots but when it comes time to install the OS it just goes to a black screen with a little white underscore blinking at the top. Do you think it didnt burn properly or maybe there is something else wrong?
itshondo
05-16-06, 07:09 AM
I recommend you check out PCLinuxOS- I CD to burn, and if you like the Live CD, then you can very easily install it.
And updating is a breeze.
Adragontattoo
05-16-06, 08:35 AM
Well I seem to have run into a little problem when trying to format the computer. I burned Fedora Core onto 5 CDs using Nero 7 Ultra Edition. I turn the computer on and stick in disk 1, the computer boots but when it comes time to install the OS it just goes to a black screen with a little white underscore blinking at the top. Do you think it didnt burn properly or maybe there is something else wrong?
Does it give you any info on uncompressing kernel or anything prior to switching to the black screen??
I know that on the work lappie (Compaq NC6000) the first time I tried to load Ubuntu for whatever reason it hung for a bit. I thought it had crashed so I rebooted and the installer ran without a hitch.
I tried to learn on Redhat about 2 or so years ago, my suggestion is find a better distro to use. Fedora probably has gotten better but I have learned 30x as much from 2 weeks of use with Ubuntu as I did in 2 months of :bang head with Redhat.
Cheator
05-16-06, 09:00 AM
Fedora is easy, in my mind. I think its a good idea to try.
I would suggest buring as slow as possible.
ponkan pinoy
05-17-06, 12:09 PM
Another thing you can do if the root directory of the fedora cd has a file with the md5 hashes for all the files on the cd, is to do a check on every file. http://www.md5summer.org/ has a windows utility that creates and checks md5 hashes
Does it give you any info on uncompressing kernel or anything prior to switching to the black screen??
No, it doesnt tell me anything. I just see the BIOS screen then the POST screen and after that it just goes straight to the black screen with the blinking underscore. Do you think maybe it has something to do with the boot priority? I could check but it wouldn't be untill tomorrow.
Anyone have some ideas? Id really like to get this other computer running.
brakezone
05-21-06, 12:58 AM
If you dont' see any kind of booting from the cd, it sounds like you may not have burned the cd quite right. Google for a program called burnatonce. Burnatonce is a small program designed to burn ISO images onto a cd. You only need to install it and then open an ISO wiht i and click burn.
This sucks, I just got Nero Ultra Edition 7 and you're telling me it wont burn .ISOs correctly. UGH. I suppose ill have to give that burnatonce program a try. I hope that it can do it. Thanks for the help guys.
Cheator
05-21-06, 11:40 AM
I don't see how people ave issues with Nero 7. Came with my sister's lappy and i've burnt a few on it.
brakezone
05-21-06, 12:20 PM
Well, I'm definitely not telling you that nero will not burn ISO images onto the cd the way you want it to. Actually, its just a little more complicated to use Nero this way because nero has so many options. Burnatonce is by default set to make a OS cd, so it can simplify things a bit.
So in review, i'm not saying nero can't do it, it just isn't as simple in nero as it is with burnatonce.
I just downloaded Burnatonce but I wont be able to give it a try till a little later. My dad is having me run all these arrands and do chores. Ugh Sundays.:bang head
klingens
05-21-06, 03:17 PM
I don't see how people ave issues with Nero 7. Came with my sister's lappy and i've burnt a few on it.
Nero always had issues with ISOs when you don't give it a .cue file. It sucks that way. The easiest and foolproof solution then is to mount the ISO with daemon-tools then doing a CD to CD copy.
Adragontattoo
05-21-06, 05:16 PM
or use ISO recorder from Alex Feinman (assuming XP) it works natively with XP's built in burner and that is how I loaded Ubuntu and Kubuntu on different machines
Well I just put a copy of Windows XP Pro onto a CD using Burnatonce because I dont have 5 spare CDs for Fedora. I changed my boot priority so the CD drive was first. At first glance everything seemed to be going fine when I saw the "Press any key to continue" screen. Next I saw the "Inspecting system configuration" and I thought I was on my way, but instead of going to the blue screen installation process it just went to a black screen and does nothing. Once again, I have no idea what to do.
brakezone
05-21-06, 10:47 PM
thats really odd.
Have you tried the cd in a different computer?
No I havn't. Im going to look for my copy of Windows XP Pro and see if it works. If not I have no idea what it could be, im pretty sure the HDD is in perfect working order as I used it not to long ago.
Cheator
05-22-06, 05:24 PM
Try burning REAL slow. As slow as the media allows
May I ask why that would help? What is the difference between it going as fast as possible and as slow as possible?
klingens
05-22-06, 06:39 PM
The slower you burn the less errors you usually get. And yes, all burnt CD have errors.
Well if my copy of Windows XP Pro works then ill try burning at a slower speed maybe there are just errors on the CDs. Thanks guys.
Cheator
05-22-06, 08:30 PM
Well if my copy of Windows XP Pro works then ill try burning at a slower speed maybe there are just errors on the CDs. Thanks guys.
Also try a better brand if you aren't having any luck. That has a major role in burning CDs. But when you are burning something important, always burn slow. 2x-4x is what i like for linux distros, always works on all my CDs and distros. Anything faster often ruins the cd
Well I burned a CD using 8x since that was the slowest I could make it and still no luck. So then I popped in my copy of Windows XP Pro and it still did not work! What gives? Why does this computer not want to be formated?! grr
ponkan pinoy
05-26-06, 11:31 AM
If even the WinXP install cd didn't work, it sounds like it might be a problem with the implementation of booting from a cd. You've probably got it set up right, but I would check your BIOS anyway, look through the boot-up settings to see if they all look right. Specifically, that the cd drive is before the hd, but there might be something else that sticks out, I don't know. If everything looks in order and it still won't boot from the cd's, I would try both the FC and WinXP cd's on another computer. If that works, you probably have a problem with either your cd drive, IDE interface, or BIOS, specifically the part that loads the boot image from the cd.
I think its a problem with the motherboard itself. The mobo im using is just one of a few Intel boards I have laying around. Its the best OCer out of them all so I just stuck it in and everything seemed to work. Im going to call up Asus later and see if im still under warranty.
ponkan pinoy
05-26-06, 12:51 PM
Given it's unlikely that three cd's have a problem with their boot-up images, I would still try them out on another computer, if you can. Hardware problems can sometimes be tricky to diagnose, and it's nice to be able to conclusively rule out a possible problem.
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