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FudgeNuggets
05-17-06, 08:37 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31779


Is there any way that the collective of people can take these clowns down? I'm frickin' sick of seeing a new lawsuit/moneygrab from these SOBs daily. :mad: Could we petition congress? File a mass counter-suit? Any ideas :confused:

striker85
05-17-06, 09:22 AM
It's going to end in one of two ways.

a) they get tired of chasing a mythical dragon and let people have their file sharing

OR

b) they eventually control the recording industry and we all have to pay $25 for a CD

either way, it won't be quick and far from painless.

Malpine Walis
05-17-06, 09:46 AM
Well, about the best that you can do right now would be to write letters to your senators and congressional representatives. Not email but a regular letter is in order here as I have personally asked that question while siting in Congressman Shays (R, CT) office.

When you do, you can make yourself sond just a bit more informed by providing a quote or two from:

TWENTIETH CENTURY MUSIC CORP. v. AIKEN, 422 U.S. 151 (1975)

which cab ne found here... (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=422&invol=151)

d94
05-17-06, 10:01 AM
WOW
those mother...

Super Nade
05-17-06, 11:21 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31779



:rolleyes:

These thugs have a license to kill. If only polititians listened to their constituents.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27696


"It's criminal," RIAA president Hilary Rosen said. "Anyone at any time can simply turn on a radio and hear a copyrighted song. Making matters worse, these radio stations often play the best, catchiest song off the album over and over until people get sick of it. Where is the incentive for people to go out and buy the album?"

:rolleyes:


"If this radio trend continues, it will severely damage a musician's ability to earn a living off his music," Frackman said. "[Metallica drummer] Lars Ulrich stopped in the other day wondering why his last royalty check was so small, and I didn't know what to say. How do you tell a man who's devoted his whole life to his music that someone is able to just give it away for free? That pirates are taking away his right to support himself with his craft?"

:rolleyes:

What a load of BS. The fact of the matter is, these goons are worried about their yearly 25% growth and give a damn about the "musician's right to support himself". Lars Ulrich is a piece of work. He has made millions off his records, because it was played on radio, which promped kids to go out and buy the albums/videos. Now he he's playing the "oh, these pirates..i'm starving to death" act. Pathetic.

mdameron
05-17-06, 11:50 AM
I just threw up a little bit into my mouth; good thing my taste buds are made of steel so I was able to tuck it back down.

They make me ill :(

Lars Ulrich is going broke because there's no market for the same music for 2 decades ;). That whole genre is oversaturated; you'd think they do some market research? Like Tool. 10,000 days. Of playing the same music. I'm a fan, but won't buy the new stuff... mainly because the lack of progress is the talent/originality department, and the nazis AKA RIAA!

FudgeNuggets
05-17-06, 11:55 AM
I'm in Canada, I suppose I could write a letter to Parliment or Senate?

Frodo Baggins
05-17-06, 01:50 PM
I'm in Canada, I suppose I could write a letter to Parliment or Senate?

Actually, I remember reading something about the equivalent coorp to RIAA in Canada had been overuled about a particularly important issue concerning music downloading a few years ago. I think the "RIAA" in Canada is much less anal. (What is it, BTW?)

FudgeNuggets
05-17-06, 02:48 PM
Actually, I remember reading something about the equivalent coorp to RIAA in Canada had been overuled about a particularly important issue concerning music downloading a few years ago. I think the "RIAA" in Canada is much less anal. (What is it, BTW?)

I don't know, but my thought on it is that with the success against the US, we're next (ok, maybe the Brits will be next, but we'll be 3rd).

Frodo Baggins
05-17-06, 02:57 PM
See : http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3680

infinitevalence
05-17-06, 02:57 PM
This has been absured for years now.

You can write to congress (done that)
Sign a petition or two (done that)
Boycott the RIAA and its members (Going strong now for 5 years)

http://www.eff.org/
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

and so you can buy music direct from independent artists
http://cdbaby.com/ (this is the only place i buy music)

FudgeNuggets
05-17-06, 03:51 PM
See : http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3680

Well, if I read this correctly than I can have for FREE Bryan Adams' music in 2030 and Barenaked Ladies in 2045, but because he's not a Canadian citizen then I can never have Elvis for free?

threeme2189
05-17-06, 04:35 PM
no free Elvis?
that sucks...

Aslan
05-17-06, 04:49 PM
Actually, I remember reading something about the equivalent coorp to RIAA in Canada had been overuled about a particularly important issue concerning music downloading a few years ago. I think the "RIAA" in Canada is much less anal. (What is it, BTW?)

My view is that the Canadian counterpart to the RIAA, known as the CRIA (http://www.cria.ca/) is just as anal, but they have much less power and influence over government than the RIAA does in the US. They have fought quite strongly in the Supreme Court, but the judges have ruled against them a few times already. Even still, Canadian Copyright law is quite vague and unclear, and it's hard to tell which way it will go in the future. Although I like thie present system (and what consumer wouldn't?) I wouldn't be surprised if things became harsher.

futura2001
05-17-06, 05:29 PM
What do you all expect?
In the end, it is all of our fault that we have ceded power to consortiums and associations such as the RIAA and MPAA.
What do you think happens when you don't go out and vote or take active part in your local and national politics? Somebody else does it for you?
No, when enough people stop voting, a vacuum develops, and the vacuum must be filled.
Right now, the vacuum is being filled by highly organized special interest groups and corporate and industry organizations.

What can you do to stop it? Well, quite frankly on the personal level, there is little you can do. As stated above, writing your politicians is a good way, each unique letter is generally thought to represent about 20-100 people depending on the area. Even so, those numbers are not enough to make a change in of themselves.
The best way to bring about change (aside from revolution) is to actively try and change public opinion. If you can get five, ten, one hundred people to write letters, that will obviously have a much greater impact than just one.
The more active and aware you can get the greater public, the sooner things will change.

perfectturmoil
05-17-06, 06:10 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27696

Um.. I don't want to sound like an ass.. but....


You are aware that the Onion is a Satirical Newspaper, correct? As in, thats not actually a news article... ? Sort of the same thing as the Daily Show on comedy central?


Anyways, yeah.. The RIAA sucks. But you know what? So don't all of you (blanket statement). If people wouldn't steal (yeah yeah, grey area legality..) so much music, maybe things wouldn't be so bad. I mean.. The stuff DOES belong to them. Yes, the RIAA is pretty rediculous, and I'm god damned sick of DRM and all that fun stuff. But you know what? In the last two months I've spent nearly 300 dollars on CD's. Because thats the legit way to get music. Yes, the artist retribution for a CD purchase is low, but that doesn't make it right to steal.

Maybe if people stopped trying to petition so much and would just buy a damned CD every once and a while things would calm down...

ARG this topic makes me so angry :- ] I find the RIAA wrong, but I also find everyone AGAINST the RIAA wrong too. I'm the only right one ;- ]

infinitevalence
05-17-06, 06:21 PM
or like i said and go the other way... boycott RIAA and its members... I have not spent a dime on CD's from their members in 5 years. I do this because i think their practices are juvinail and thuggish, most of my money would be going to the top %5 of the people in the company and the top %5 of their artists who i think stink. (britny spears anyone)

I dont steal music, i dont download music, i dont burn CD's other than ones i already own, and thats just to keep them from going bad. If i buy CD's i buy from cdbaby or directly from the artist. We dont need the middel man any more and they are ****ed off about it, so screw them. Im not buying.

Super Nade
05-17-06, 06:24 PM
Um.. I don't want to sound like an ass.. but....


You are aware that the Onion is a Satirical Newspaper, correct? As in, thats not actually a news article... ? Sort of the same thing as the Daily Show on comedy central?



Yes I'm well aware of that. The reason I posted that was to lay emphasis on the gravity of the matter. If the onion can deliver it with a straight face devoid of satire, it must be serious! :)

perfectturmoil
05-17-06, 09:07 PM
...If the onion can deliver it with a straight face devoid of satire, it must be serious! :)...

Um..

If this radio trend continues, it will severely damage a musician's ability to earn a living off his music

Seeing how the RIAA ARE the people who COLLECT the royaltees from radio stations, to give to the artists... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't make that claim. The Onion makes up articles making fun of stuff. The Onion didn't 'make a straight faced claim' anywhere.. That article was satire..

Find those quotes anywhere other than the onion, a reproduction, or someones blog talking about the onion :- ] (Don't worry - google's gonna come up pretty empty as far as I can see..)

shard
05-17-06, 09:13 PM
Um..

If this radio trend continues, it will severely damage a musician's ability to earn a living off his music

Seeing how the RIAA ARE the people who COLLECT the royaltees from radio stations, to give to the artists... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't make that claim. The Onion makes up articles making fun of stuff. The Onion didn't 'make a straight faced claim' anywhere.. That article was satire..

Find those quotes anywhere other than the onion, a reproduction, or someones blog talking about the onion :- ] (Don't worry - google's gonna come up pretty empty as far as I can see..)


I wouldnt put it past the RIAA to make stupid statements like that though.

brickout
05-17-06, 09:17 PM
Um..

If this radio trend continues, it will severely damage a musician's ability to earn a living off his music

Seeing how the RIAA ARE the people who COLLECT the royaltees from radio stations, to give to the artists... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't make that claim. The Onion makes up articles making fun of stuff. The Onion didn't 'make a straight faced claim' anywhere.. That article was satire..

Find those quotes anywhere other than the onion, a reproduction, or someones blog talking about the onion :- ] (Don't worry - google's gonna come up pretty empty as far as I can see..)

Um...

Other people coveried the story as well. They're not talking about radio play, they're talking about how easy it is to record music off XM broadcast. The RIAA is suing XM, not all radio stations. It's the medium of satellite radio they're after.

Link buddy (http://theinquirer.net/?article=31779)

perfectturmoil
05-17-06, 11:15 PM
Hey.. I'm not discounting the RIAA thing.. I'm sure they're DEFINITELY pushing it with that claim.. Although it MIGHT be against the rules to just let people 'download' like that.. even for a fee.. Don't forget.. regardless of how stupid, greedy, evil, everything the RIAA is.. They also have rights too...

And.. Straight back at the Um.. comment..

Did you READ the article? I'm not saying ANYTHING against the XM thing... I'm just saying that the Onion isn't a source of fact.. That article happens to be dated October of 2002... Was XM even around then? ;- ] (yes) I have a feeling the JOKE by the onion and the ACTUAL NEWS from the inquirer aren't the same...