Here's what you can reasonably expect from a Celeoron 1.2

[Rmcky]

This won'r rank up there with some of the other's extreme overclocking exploits of this chip, but for some of you consevative souls, like myself, here's my experiences. I got my Tualatin a couple of days ago and started experimenting. I already knew I didn't intend to remove the heatspreader, that was one motivation for even wanting the chip. I am tired of chipping Coppermine cores. I also knew that my overclocking options would be limited because of that, so I never was looking for 133mhz FSB.

I started testing and have found the place that this chip and I like really well. This is where we ended up. Running it with the heatspreader in place, the retail heatsink/fan with thermal grease, default voltage, and a 117mhz FSB. That's netting me 1404mhz. It might do more, but it's so comfortable here, I think we'll stay.

I looped Prime 95 torture test in the background and 3DMark2000 in the forground for 15 hours straight. Absolutely no errors in Prime 95 at all. Max load temps were pretty steady at 109F, although there were a few short spikes to 111F. Cpu didn't seem to mind.

Here are some Sandra 2001 results:

CPU= 3914/1884
MM= 7656/9503
Memory= 370/364

It's a shame the ram bus is so slow on this TUSL2-C motherboard, because I'm sure those low ram scores really present a bottleneck to this CPU. However, the system feels exceptionally nice, in spite of that. All in all, I think this $221 upgrade was one of the best I've ever done and would do it again with the knowledge I now have. I'm am one happy camper!:)

Well, that's about what a conservative person can expect. Hopefully, this will be helpful to a few.

Rick

[Yodums]

Originally posted by Rmcky
This won'r rank up there with some of the other's extreme overclocking exploits of this chip, but for some of you consevative souls, like myself, here's my experiences. I got my Tualatin a couple of days ago and started experimenting. I already knew I didn't intend to remove the heatspreader, that was one motivation for even wanting the chip. I am tired of chipping Coppermine cores. I also knew that my overclocking options would be limited because of that, so I never was looking for 133mhz FSB.

I started testing and have found the place that this chip and I like really well. This is where we ended up. Running it with the heatspreader in place, the retail heatsink/fan with thermal grease, default voltage, and a 117mhz FSB. That's netting me 1404mhz. It might do more, but it's so comfortable here, I think we'll stay.

I looped Prime 95 torture test in the background and 3DMark2000 in the forground for 15 hours straight. Absolutely no errors in Prime 95 at all. Max load temps were pretty steady at 109F, although there were a few short spikes to 111F. Cpu didn't seem to mind.

Here are some Sandra 2001 results:

CPU= 3914/1884
MM= 7656/9503
Memory= 370/364

It's a shame the ram bus is so slow on this TUSL2-C motherboard, because I'm sure those low ram scores really present a bottleneck to this CPU. However, the system feels exceptionally nice, in spite of that. All in all, I think this $221 upgrade was one of the best I've ever done and would do it again with the knowledge I now have. I'm am one happy camper!:)

Well, that's about what a conservative person can expect. Hopefully, this will be helpful to a few.

Rick

Yup its most likely the Tualy will hit 1.4gig with stock hsf.

[Lancelot]

It wouldn't suprise me if after a few months like this you can go higher without much effort. I was 'stuck' at 1008Mhz/126FSB initially, and look where I am now while NOTHING really changed with my system except for the amount of RAM. It's gotta be the burning in of the CPU and chipset together...

[ol' man]

I am sorry to say but you have the TUSL-2 that really doesn't like bus speeds above probably ~120 at 1/3 divider. I hit 1450 at least at default vcore and the problems you are experiencing are most likeley cause of the high pci bus speeds. I have the tusl-2 and I also have the abit st6. The st6 is a far more stable board than my tusl-2. If one has a ABIT or other board that can hit the 1/4 divider under 133fsb then their chances of hitting around 125fsb~130 fsb I would say are much better than what you are predicting here. Also if you are tired of cracking cores then why don't you use a propery tuned shim. I am sorry I just can't go with 1400Mhz being the average as I can hit higher than that at default vcore.

Good luck to ya.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Originally posted by ol' man
I am sorry to say but you have the TUSL-2 that really doesn't like bus speeds above probably ~120 at 1/3 divider. I hit 1450 at least at default vcore and the problems you are experiencing are most likeley cause of the high pci bus speeds. I have the tusl-2 and I also have the abit st6. The st6 is a far more stable board than my tusl-2. If one has a ABIT or other board that can hit the 1/4 divider under 133fsb then their chances of hitting around 125fsb~130 fsb I would say are much better than what you are predicting here. Also if you are tired of cracking cores then why don't you use a propery tuned shim. I am sorry I just can't go with 1400Mhz being the average as I can hit higher than that at default vcore.

Good luck to ya.

Yes.. I have to agree with my dear ol'man. That is the fact. At bus frequency of somewhere between 115'ish to 125'ish FSB would be very stressful for your PCI peripherals to handle if the PCI ratio divider is set at or limited to 1/3. That's like running a PCI bus at 153mhz+ at 1/4 divider. Some mobos support the manual change of 1/4 PCI divider while the system bus is set at less than 133mhz. This is very crucial feature that we, overclockers should look for. I don't know if ASUS TUSL2 has that but I know even my old BX board has the manual tune option of 1/3 or 1/4 at any bus speed.
Rmcky, if I were you, I would either try lower the bus speed or up it more if you're having some problems. If it's not giving you any trouble at all, then I see you have no problems and not to worry. Congrats for getting your hands on the T-Celery. :p

[Rmcky]

No problems at all here, as a matter of fact, I haven't even tried it any higher than 117mhz. I did have PCI bus problems with my 900 when I would exceed 116mhz and the TUSL2-C doesn't use the 1/4 PCI divider or the 1/2 AGP divider until it hits 133mhz. I have to disagree somewhat with the notion that the TUSL2-C is not a stable board. I've been overclocking for a long time and this is by far the most stable board I've ever used. I do think it limits overclockability a bit, because the same CPUs will always clock higher on my Soyo board, but I don't have a problem with that trade off for increased stability. I've used mostly Abit boards in the past and I can guarantee you they don't have the quality of Asus, not even close. That's not to say I didn't enjoy and appreciate my Abits, because I did, but they weren't built as well. I don't doubt that the Asus gave problems with a 1.2 at 1.6+, but I'd guess that had a heck of a lot more to do with the CPU than the board. The Asus was probably trying to tell you of the CPU's limitations and the Abit ain't smart enough to know or care.:)

Rick

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Rmcky
No problems at all here, as a matter of fact, I haven't even tried it any higher than 117mhz. I did have PCI bus problems with my 900 when I would exceed 116mhz and the TUSL2-C doesn't use the 1/4 PCI divider or the 1/2 AGP divider until it hits 133mhz. I have to disagree somewhat with the notion that the TUSL2-C is not a stable board. I've been overclocking for a long time and this is by far the most stable board I've ever used. I do think it limits overclockability a bit, because the same CPUs will always clock higher on my Soyo board, but I don't have a problem with that trade off for increased stability. I've used mostly Abit boards in the past and I can guarantee you they don't have the quality of Asus, not even close. That's not to say I didn't enjoy and appreciate my Abits, because I did, but they weren't built as well. I don't doubt that the Asus gave problems with a 1.2 at 1.6+, but I'd guess that had a heck of a lot more to do with the CPU than the board. The Asus was probably trying to tell you of the CPU's limitations and the Abit ain't smart enough to know or care.:)

Rick


No way man, this had everything to do with my board anyway. I think I am going to RMA it. The AGTL bus was at ~1.7v while it should have been at ~1.25v. That is a problem with this board. Also I couldn't get it to run stable without a 3.7v I/O setting. Plus the losing of my hardrives around ~120fsb.But then after awhile that was not stable either. Went back to the ABIT and it has been smooth sailing. Right now I am running at 1.825v but I am positive in the future I will be able to get that down to say around 1.775v because it is quite stable at that setting but it kicks out of prime after about an hour at that setting. As for ABIT boards not being built well, I guess that is a matter of opinion.

For some reason on my ABIT I can hit very high PCI fsb settings. That to me says that the problem is with the chipset on the ASUS and nothing else or the IDE controller. It can't handle those high FSB's. I think this is where IWILL shines too. I think they make good chipsets that can handle the higher PCI fsb. THat says to me that the ABIT is a higher quality board. That is my opinion anyway. They don;t spend as much time on their bioses as ASUS maybe does but what they lack there they gain for circutry IMHO.


Hey [OC]_ME I am not as old as my nic says;)

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Originally posted by ol' man


......
Hey [OC]_ME I am not as old as my nic says;) ......


Heeheehee I know. I'm very perceptive. :D ;) (you might be younger than me, surprise) :)

[Yodums]

Abit boards are ownage.. 1/4 dividers.. Hopefully will it come to 1/5 dividers hehe

[ol' man]

Originally posted by ol' man



No way man, this had everything to do with my board anyway. I think I am going to RMA it. The AGTL bus was at ~1.7v while it should have been at ~1.25v. That is a problem with this board. Also I couldn't get it to run stable without a 3.7v I/O setting. Plus the losing of my hardrives around ~120fsb.But then after awhile that was not stable either. Went back to the ABIT and it has been smooth sailing. Right now I am running at 1.825v but I am positive in the future I will be able to get that down to say around 1.775v because it is quite stable at that setting but it kicks out of prime after about an hour at that setting. As for ABIT boards not being built well, I guess that is a matter of opinion.

For some reason on my ABIT I can hit very high PCI fsb settings. That to me says that the problem is with the chipset on the ASUS and nothing else or the IDE controller. It can't handle those high FSB's. I think this is where IWILL shines too. I think they make good chipsets that can handle the higher PCI fsb. THat says to me that the ABIT is a higher quality board. That is my opinion anyway. They don;t spend as much time on their bioses as ASUS maybe does but what they lack there they gain for circutry IMHO.


Hey [OC]_ME I am not as old as my nic says;)

You know looking through this it appears I was saying IWILL, ABIT and ASUS make their chipsets. What I meant to say was that ABIT and IWILL use extra quality parts or engineer their circutry so they can handle the higher PCI fsb's.

DOH!!!!!!

Time to eat or is that time to tweak, ACKKKK. I always get them two mixed up. I don' think I have eaten' for like 8 hours. That can't be good for a person. I have finaly put all of my system in my case and half an hour ago I put it on the floor to see another 1 deg.C temp drop. Nice:) Funny how two feet can make that much difference huh.

[Pinky]

IMHO -- reasonable overclock for me is 116 bus without extra voltage... then we're talking 125 without instability issues and excessive voltage/heat issues.

That's with a Pal :(. She's great, but not until you remove the IHS, which I never thought I'd need to... I think in a few months, when I'm ready to scrap or tinker some more (and since I actually need to use this PC for a bit) I'll take her off and fly to the arctic circle to see how high she'll go :p .

[ol' man]

Dude I had my chip for I think 6 hours and then it was sitting there naked; about to be trounced on:D

[Pinky]

Originally posted by ol' man
Dude I had my chip for I think 6 hours and then it was sitting there naked; about to be trounced on:D

You also stuck frozen stuff all over it... I wish I could say I do everything in the name of overclocking, but I don't :( ...

I need m,y PC working, too, so I OC responsibly :) ...

Don't drink and overclock!

[/public service announcement]

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Pinky


You also stuck frozen stuff all over it... I wish I could say I do everything in the name of overclocking, but I don't :( ...

I need m,y PC working, too, so I OC responsibly :) ...

Don't drink and overclock!

[/public service announcement]

I need it working too other wise I don't eat, sleep or what ever else it is normal people do until it is fixed. I am not kidding, the first night I had this machine I stayed up till what 7' in the morn trying to get it to run 133fsb. It wasn't until I got the pal that it would do it. I tried calling in sick and told my teacher my computer had a virus but they said nice try:)

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Originally posted by ol' man


I need it working too other wise I don't eat, sleep or what ever else it is normal people do until it is fixed. I am not kidding, the first night I had this machine I stayed up till what 7' in the morn trying to get it to run 133fsb. It wasn't until I got the pal that it would do it. I tried calling in sick and told my teacher my computer had a virus but they said nice try:)

Ohh you poor guy, sorry that didn't work.. if you didn't say the virus part, they might've believed you that you were sick. hehehe =) Ol'man, where's good online place do u recommend for high buying high performance fans for the HS's? I would like to get some bad arse fans(those with super high rpm and cfm)? :)

[ol' man]

Originally posted by [OC]_Me


Ohh you poor guy, sorry that didn't work.. if you didn't say the virus part, they might've believed you that you were sick. hehehe =) Ol'man, where's good online place do u recommend for high buying high performance fans for the HS's? I would like to get some bad arse fans(those with super high rpm and cfm)? :)

Not sure, here is a place I had in my favorites and I thought I had more but I guess not.

http://www.markhannahsurplus.com/fanblow.php

He has a good selection of fans and some variable voltage 120mm's. Not sure if they have any of the 60mm high speed fans you are looking for though. He has really good prices though on these used fans. There was one other place I was looking at but I can't find it right now. I may have to order some of those variable voltage fans so maybe some day I can tone down the noise here;) The sound is just perfect to hummmmm me to sleep.

Forgot to ask though are you going to use these fans on your self once you get OC'd:D You sure they'll work?;)

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Thankx for the url ol'man. It's a good site, they've got wide variety of them.. nice.. yeah I'm looking for some 60mm high rpm fan. Also gonna look for some 120mm for the case fans.. :p

uhh... hehehe.. I donno what I was thinking when I changed my handle name to that.. LOL just trying different names until I find the one like and keep it! hehe :o

[ol' man]

uhh... hehehe.. I donno what I was thinking when I changed my handle name to that.. LOL just trying different names until I find the one like and keep it! hehe

Hmmmm, interesting;)

[ol' man]

Here are some more sites that may show more of what you are looking for.



http://2cooltek.safeshopper.com/23/cat23.htm?255
http://www.3dcool.com/?module=product&sku=CaseFans
http://1coolpc.com/home/
http://www.coldcpu.com/
http://www.coolerguys.com/



This one looks as if they have some good ideas for case mods!
http://www.coolcases.com/

I did a search at resellerratings and the above are what I found in about 2 minutes. They seem to have a good variety. For the 120's though I would maybe go with that other guy;)

Here is what I did to my case

[ol' man]

More screenys.....

This is running folding at home.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

ol'man, nice... nice.. :D :) Thankx.

I got few of them sites I already have but the rest of them are very nice. I think... I got enough to look at on the fans, LOL :D

Nice drawing there.. you drew it i suppose.. hehe
I see that you got two 120's on the back and bottom of the case.. nice~ so the one on the bottom of your case, you must've the case lifted above the floor and have some kind of support underneath so you have the free space for the cool air to come in i suppose? .. No wonder you did the drilling that night for your case! lol I think the 120's would be perfect to be used as case fans bottom and the back the way you have setup.

One of the sites on the case mods for sale you gave me, hahaha that looks like a Boom Box or speakers, LOL I would like to get one of them in the future. =)

http://www.coolcases.com/img/mod_sm.jpg

[ol' man]

Yep case is lifted for ultimate flo through plus the advatage of having the main fan like that is that it takes the coolest air in the room off the floor. I have a nice white covered board for it to sit on so it doesn't directly suck fuzz off the floor;) RIght now I am testing a pseudo duct I made with a piece of card board. It basically follows the paths I have outlined above and ends at the base of my alpha so it gets the fresh air instead. I am not sure if it helps or simply blocks some of the flo through.

If you look at some of those cases they have you can see the double 120's in front:eek: Man that is crazy. Maybe I should have both fans blowing in???? I am not sure yet but that may be better. Crap I gotta quit tweaking sometime and sleep but tonight I can since it is working great;)

[[OC]_SR20DE]

oh Lord.. gonna need a second PSU for that hahaha..

yeah Ol'man, get some rest. sleep well! I'm gonna do more gaming hehe :p

[ol' man]

Funny you should say that, I have to have a second PSU to push the 120's no doubt. When I tried to hook every thing up to the same PSU it would kill my system and it would not be able to boot for a couple of hours until I guess all the residual static left or something on the MOBO. I have many different PSU's laying around my apartment to choose from. They fit nicely into the 5.25" bays;) Eventually I want to figure out a way to turn the 120's on at the same time as the computer itself as if it will ever get shut off anyway but I will try. Evidently the partial duct I made does drop temps about 1 deg. C at load. Never too much tweaking;) Always a tweak. I have made ducts before that have worked great for my old 800e. Might try more of that with htis machine. I also found that if you put a fan next to the HS when it is sucking since I have a ALPHA it dropped temps another 1 deg. C. All these drops are what count in final stability at any room temp! ( I would gather anyway:))