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ol' man
11-14-01, 09:31 AM
How is this for the shi#s. I put my system in my case finally and had serious troubles all day yesterdaay trying to figure out why my temps were so high. Found out the pal 6035 is top heavy and was pulling down leaving most likely a small gap on the top side of the core. Go figure GAAAAAAAAAAA.
Reinforced it and now it is humming allong sweetly.
:D
[OC]_SR20DE
11-14-01, 10:10 AM
Lay your case down flat. :p kidding :D
I thought about that too.. and in my sysem, it is running naked too. no casing yet until I settle down what OC I want to reach and stable. Then finally put it in the case and do extra cooling the ambient.
ol' man
11-14-01, 02:05 PM
I used a rubber band. Simple as that. Also I went and installed two 120mm/100+cfm fans plus two more 80mm fans. Now it seems like a slight overkill but for now I will run them at 12v maybe in the future I will down the voltage to 7v. First system I have had that sounds almost like vacuum cleaner. I am sure the neigbors didn' like the sound of my grinder/cut off saw going at 11' last night as also my drill and jigsaw. My ears are still ringing. The way the air flows through this system I doubt I would even need a HS fan:D Maybe next semester I will get my H2O cooler going then I won't need all these loud fans. I doubt I do know but while I break this chip in I am going to keep it cool. Purring along at 1600MHz ram cas222-5/7. Smokin' ;)
Good thing though that the pitch of the fans are low, I can handle that better.
[OC]_SR20DE
11-14-01, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by ol' man
I used a rubber band. Simple as that.
Hehehe.. that is indeed a quicky way to do. Those household supplies come handy sometimes!
Also I went and installed two 120mm/100+cfm fans plus two more 80mm fans. Now it seems like a slight overkill but for now I will run them at 12v maybe in the future I will down the voltage to 7v. First system I have had that sounds almost like vacuum cleaner.
Jesus.. that is one heck of cooling. 100+cfm... uggggg.... lol
I am sure the neigbors didn' like the sound of my grinder/cut off saw going at 11' last night as also my drill and jigsaw. My ears are still ringing.
LOL :D :p
The way the air flows through this system I doubt I would even need a HS fan:D Maybe next semester I will get my H2O cooler going then I won't need all these loud fans. I doubt I do know but while I break this chip in I am going to keep it cool. Purring along at 1600MHz ram cas222-5/7. Smokin' ;)
That is nice... you're all set for cooling for now heehee.
Good thing though that the pitch of the fans are low, I can handle that better.
That's good.. my Delta38's high pitch I could hear all the way down the stairs in to the kitchen. I also keep my room cool @ 25C. :p
ol' man
11-14-01, 02:38 PM
If the chip gets around 48deg.C it starts to get flaky I think. Keeping it under that shouldn't be as hard as I am making it sound here but I want to be sure I keep it cool for the breaking in. A couple months down the road it should cool easier if it doesn't die on me:D Still not sure how healthy 1.85v is on this chip.
Ol'Man since your into such experiments.. Ever considered putting your computer into a mini fridge.. There are ways to prevent condensation! ;p
funnyperson1
11-14-01, 05:09 PM
hmmm...how did you kill the celly, ive found it quite impossible to kill a Coppermine....for 1.5 years since i had my comp my PIII ran at 50-60C with a crappy hs (OEM), and then i oced with that thing and it lasted 3 more months oced to 780 at temps of 60+ under load.......and now its lasted a coupla more months with a nice hs/fan at about 38C load.....
ol' man
11-14-01, 05:20 PM
Hey funny person, I was talking about killing my celery. I haven't killed this one yet(cross your fingers). I was simply wondering if 1.85v was going to end this chips life way sooner than I could want:D
Originally posted by ol' man
Hey funny person, I was talking about killing my celery. I haven't killed this one yet(cross your fingers). I was simply wondering if 1.85v was going to end this chips life way sooner than I could want:D
I doubt the 1.85 would have that much affect.. The estimated lifetime of a computer is 10 years and it'll maybe reduce it to 5 years or something and by then the chip will be worth 0 :)
Originally posted by funnyperson1
hmmm...how did you kill the celly, ive found it quite impossible to kill a Coppermine....for 1.5 years since i had my comp my PIII ran at 50-60C with a crappy hs (OEM), and then i oced with that thing and it lasted 3 more months oced to 780 at temps of 60+ under load.......and now its lasted a coupla more months with a nice hs/fan at about 38C load.....
What scares me most is that you're for real :D.
ol' man
11-14-01, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by Pinky
What scares me most is that you're for real :D.
No doubt, I wish my celery could handle anything above 50deg.C:D Uh......... maybe I don't:)
funnyperson1
11-14-01, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Pinky
What scares me most is that you're for real :D.
heh, yeah, i thought the temp sensor musta been broken........and then when i got the VGSO8H i was amazed that the chip was reporting temp accurately and that it had survived....
ol' man
11-14-01, 11:30 PM
Well then I am not so scared that my chip will burn up early:)
funnyperson1
11-14-01, 11:40 PM
yeah man, these Intels are ******* champs, i havent seen an Intel chip die on me yet, this includes 3PII-233s at my dad's office, 3 more PII200s, a PIII 450, and my PIII600 and i bet if i took those old socket 7 mobos and plugged in my old P166mmx and oced the snot outta it it would still run me antoher coupla years...Yodums is right when he says that the average life of a cpu is ten years, prolly a little higher for these coppermines....when i come back from college (11th grade right now) im sure ill come back and find this 600E still pushing out numbers.....but anywayz my dad got his celly tualatin today, so over the weekend i get to screw with it :).....
ol' man
11-15-01, 12:55 AM
Did you get a copper slugged HS?
I like how you say my dads machine:D
Somehow I think you are going to be the one using it more but maybe not:) O well sounds good to me. You will have to tell us how it goes using the BD133u under a fsb of 133 with the 1/4 divider.
Keep an eye on that rubber band.....
ol' man
11-15-01, 10:41 AM
Keep an eye on that rubber band.....
Yeah I should replace it with a light spring. Most likely will.
Lancelot
11-15-01, 01:40 PM
Hey Pinky, it's just a fact that most OEM systems with a cheapo HSF and no other fan than the PSU's are mostly into the 50C range, my inlaws 800EB is all the time, and no probs whatsoever. Ofcourse cooling is THE important issue when OCing, but if most of us with a OCed system and higher voltages are below the temps a OEM system does at default.......I wouldn't worry too much about it cuz these chips (coppermines/celemines) have a thermal spec of 70-80C
ol' man
11-15-01, 01:58 PM
I am not worried but I notice instability issues around 50 deg. C. I noticed this with both tualatins I have.
80 degrees C. thats insane. is it even possible to get that hot with a cumine?? thats double my peak temps plus a few degrees.
ol' man
11-15-01, 03:59 PM
When I had my ghetto H2O cooling appy set up I saw my cpu temps get to around 90. Mainly because i think the top of the core was getting super cooled so it wouldn't trip the inner thermal switch but the base was hot. I had a resivoir filled with anitfreeze/H2O and that had a freezer core submerged in that. It got the water too cold actually to try and work with any of the stuff like the tubes and what not. Best start a lower temp than say -10deg.C;) That is my theory anyway. I freaked out hard core when I saw the temps shoot through the roof like that:eek:
funnyperson1
11-15-01, 05:22 PM
at one point i did see the temp meter go to 75C, but actually if you check to back before summer i actually had a post in this forum asking if my temps were for real...lemme search for it...
heres the link, please excuse my noobage:
http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?threadid=27664
funnyperson1
11-15-01, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by ol' man
Did you get a copper slugged HS?
I like how you say my dads machine:D
Somehow I think you are going to be the one using it more but maybe not:) O well sounds good to me. You will have to tell us how it goes using the BD133u under a fsb of 133 with the 1/4 divider.
no, i only havethe volcanoII, my goal is to hit 133fsb, and thats it, i think the volcano II is up to the job....its about twice as big as the stock intel heatsink...also my dad just got some el-cheapo ram from priceclub, aynone heard of simpletech?
it took me some time to convince my dad the VolcanoII was better, his argument-it was designed by intel for this cpu, he also told me that the black stuff on the bottom should work better than Artic Silver for the same reason, but hey, everyone learns a first time :).......
ol' man
11-15-01, 05:56 PM
Well funny person I am telling you I needed 1.825v + a good Copper slugged HS+ good case ventilation. I am going to bet you will see temps around ...uh.. 45 deg.C with that HS at load at least if you have a vcore arounf 1.8v. So if this HS don't cut are you going to get a better Cu cooler or say heck wit it. O well in the end you shouldn't be dissapointed even if you only hit 1500MHz which is about where I see you at. Honestly I would love for you to prove me wrong. These things produce emmence amounts of heat at 1.85v and you will find out when you get it running. It is absolutely nutz. They produce about as much heat as a PIII at what 1GHz even at 1.2 and a vcore of 1.475. That tells you right there that they are going to run hot. I estimated that my chip is producing around 45w but the article here at OC.com said that he estimated it was producing 60+w of heat. That is twice what it normally produces. I feel for ya man if you and your dad got to go around and around to get the right parts. Arggg, that would bug me if he wanted you to OC without the right stuff and then woulf be dissapointed when it didn't perform. You don't try and cool a ferrari with a radiator from a geo;)
funnyperson1
11-15-01, 07:29 PM
some reassuring news for me...on the front page they have a review of an ICEcube cooler that has a higher c/w than the VolcanoII, and kept a Celly1.2@1.6 at 43C.......with my Intel experiences this temp shouldnt trouble me at all.....
ol' man
11-15-01, 08:37 PM
Well good luck to ya. Hopefully you get a smoker and don;t nee the extra high vcores. If you look at the sspec sheet these celerons give off 3w more than the older larger .18u chips. Logic says that it shouldn't be like that since this is a smaller chip but alas it is so. You will find out. The higher temperature tolerances are different too.
Check it out here.
http://support.intel.com/support/processors/sspec/icp.htm
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