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Conroe is coming next month, as 90% of people with three or more brain cells and a pair of eyes knows. It's supposedly fast - how fast is debatable.
Some Intel users have been mentioning Conroe in AMD threads, often as an option when people ask what new CPU to get. That's fair enough - if the poster hasn't ruled out an Intel setup thats fine, it helps the member by giving them another option.
There are problems however. Some Intel fanboys take it upon themselves to turn every AMD thread they can into a Conroe flamewar, arguing back and forth the same arguments that have been argued a zillion times before. This is not acceptable and I, and other moderators, will take action against members who continually troll threads with Conroe this Conroe that turning each thread into meaningless penis-waving about who has the faster processor due out soon.
To summarise:
Intel users/fans/fanboys - don't troll every AMD thread with GO CONROE. If someone has mentioned it as an option there is no need to repeat the same answer. Likewise if the thread STARTS to turn into an AMD vs Conroe debate then simply post a link to a thread -on the subject of AMD vs Conroe- and leave it out of the thread you posted in.
AMD users/fans/fanboys - I'm not sure if the AMD crowd have been trolling Intel threads but I'll say this anyway. I will hold you to the same standards as I expect of Intel users. Do not troll Conroe threads, do not turn every mention of Conroe into a debate. If the thread takes a turn towards X vs Conroe then find a thread about X vs Conroe, post a link, and continue the discussion in the X vs Conroe thread. If there is a post asking what system to go with in the Intel section do not spam it up with OMG GO AMD. If the OP hasn't ruled out AMD then feel free to mention it if someone else hasn't.
To all: Remember. People post asking what system to get in an AMD section because the likely would rather use AMD. Likewise a member who asks about what CPU to get in the Intel section has likely already settled on Intel. There is no point trying to force another CPU manufacturer on them - mention it and LEAVE IT BE.
We are all here to share knowledge and push the limits of Overclocking. Lets be friendly about it, ok?
Read, understand, bump. Comment if you wish.
Intel users/fans/fanboys - don't troll every AMD thread with GO CONROE. If someone has mentioned it as an option there is no need to repeat the same answer.
But it was OK to spam every Intel thread with "GO AMD" back 6 months ago.
Fair enough, We Intel users have something to give them a taste of their "own" medicine, yet we get warned before even the beats gets out. Very hypocritical IMO. Pathetic to see an amd fanboy warning us though, don't want a taste of your "own" medicine? I hear ya.
dicecca112
06-12-06, 07:45 PM
yeah no kidding everytime someone mentioned a dual core, it was get a X2, Intels are furnances.
RangerXLT8
06-12-06, 09:18 PM
Good thing I haven't ever been in the AMD CPU section. I'm a die hard intel fan so there would be no use in me going in there anyway.
Tserrof
06-12-06, 09:50 PM
Long live the fanboy. :)
Captain Helghas
06-12-06, 10:02 PM
I disagree on one point. Someone may post in the AMD section because they haven't heard of Conroe, and only know that 5 years ago AMD was the processor to get. The same may go for the Intel section that the only processor they know of, through Dell, is the Intel processor. Or that a salesman of some retail store told them bad information about either.
However I must agree with your aproach. Once it has been mentioned, and linked to a discussion about such, the point it made. It doesn't require the entire forum's approval of "You should wait for Conroe" or "You should get an FX-62." It only takes a mentioning.
May I suggest a sticky dedicated to the AMD vs Intel debate. <-- Note debate, and not arguement.
I have always believed that brand loyalty is worthless and only provides stock holders with good results.
Rawr! Me is Fanboy! Ur pr0duct is teh $ux0rz.
Tserrof
06-12-06, 10:38 PM
^ lol.
But it was OK to spam every Intel thread with "GO AMD" back 6 months ago.
Fair enough, We Intel users have something to give them a taste of their "own" medicine, yet we get warned before even the beats gets out. Very hypocritical IMO. Pathetic to see an amd fanboy warning us though, don't want a taste of your "own" medicine? I hear ya.
6 months ago I wasn't heavily moderating CPU sections. Now I am.
Your post is rather offensive - I am not an AMD fanboy :rolleyes: and if the best response you can come up with is "they did it to us 6 months ago so why cant we troll their section!" then I'd really rather you hadn't posted in my thread.
Long live the fanboy.
To explain how I define fan/fanboy - the fan is the Intel user who likes Intel and will say as such. The fanboy is the problematic one who will cause trouble and flamewars and pointless arguments over every little detail, while completely closing off their mind so they are not receptive to new arguments or benchmarks or indeed any proof that people provide.
Fanboys do not have a place here.
I disagree on one point. Someone may post in the AMD section because they haven't heard of Conroe, and only know that 5 years ago AMD was the processor to get. The same may go for the Intel section that the only processor they know of, through Dell, is the Intel processor. Or that a salesman of some retail store told them bad information about either.
However I must agree with your aproach. Once it has been mentioned, and linked to a discussion about such, the point it made. It doesn't require the entire forum's approval of "You should wait for Conroe" or "You should get an FX-62." It only takes a mentioning.
May I suggest a sticky dedicated to the AMD vs Intel debate. <-- Note debate, and not arguement.
I have always believed that brand loyalty is worthless and only provides stock holders with good results.
This is why i am not wanting to ban all mention of "the C word" in the AMD section. If the OP hasn't considered Conroe and you believe it fits their needs then by all means mention it. Also by linking to an appropriate Conroe thread you allow the OP to read more and explore the arguments for and against without turning that thread itself into a fanboy flamewar. If several members all start posting "wait for Conroe" then it's likely to rouse the AMD fanboys who are just as bad at causing problems.
I agree with David on this one - advising a wait for conroe is at this stage sensible in some instances, even if only so that someone wanting amd can enjoy the price drops amd are bringing to counter the effect of conroe...but some folks take it past this point and use it as ecuse to flame and bash products on either side.
intel section users have gotten tired of amd folks bashing the 9xx dual core series, amd section users dont like the look of conroe and the resulting intel-ism for the same reason...
The two sections have of late become slightly off topic due to this...a well moderated discussion thread about the two may work...but it all depends on how sensible people are willing to be. As for flaming mods, bearing in mind theyve been promoted to such a position for fairness in such matters in the first place.....
On the plus side the amd/intel sections havent quite gone as daft as the console fanboy wars in the gaming section...but theyre getting there :P
But it was OK to spam every Intel thread with "GO AMD" back 6 months ago.
Fair enough, We Intel users have something to give them a taste of their "own" medicine, yet we get warned before even the beats gets out. Very hypocritical IMO. Pathetic to see an amd fanboy warning us though, don't want a taste of your "own" medicine? I hear ya.
If you want to give them a "taste of their 'own' medicine", you'll get a short vacation, how's that for fairness? :rolleyes:
Ok folks, iv started a sensible discussion thread for all your amd vs intel needs -
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=4544553#post4544553
Keep it sensible and hopefully we'l be able to have a decent and informative debate that better represents the quality of knowledge we have on this forum
hUMANbEATbOX
06-13-06, 08:44 AM
i read both sections pretty regularly, and i must say, this is a bigger problem in the Intel section than it is in the AMD section. not naming names...
and *bump*
I don't see any posts being reported, therefore, there is no problem.
If you guys don't report anything, nothing WILL happen.
hUMANbEATbOX
06-13-06, 10:15 AM
i usually don't report because i never see anything happen as a result (not that i expect to get detailed info, i think that's between the mod handling it and the offender). i've reported someone only to have them continue in the very same thread. i would expect now that these warnings have been laid out that there won't be any problems, but should there be, i'll report in the future.
p.s. cw823 LOL you gotta lotta posts!! :P
Maybe I'll wait until Conroe comes out, we'll do benchies, and whatever chip mfgr. wins takes over the forums, and we wipe out all other references to other chip mfgrs.
Or maybe not.
/me may have added a few posts to his post count.
For those of you that were around in the days when Springdale/Canterwood and the P4C's made their debut, well, this is just history repeating itself. New product releases always cause a lot of friction between the aficionados (note I didn't use the F word! :p).
So sit back and enjoy the ride that both AMD and Intel are giving us, and discuss both platforms courteously.
I fully agree with Captain Helghas. 3 years ago, I joined an AMD fanboy (and remain one) so I purchased one without thinking too hard. I would've appreciated it it if someone posted a headsup in the AMD section back then posting the merits of the P4's...if I were better educated, that's the choice I would've taken for sure looking back. I wouldn't have wanted Intel "forced" onto me, but it would've been nice for someone to straight up say that they were the better performer without me having to learn it the hard way after the fact.
We're here to help people make the best, most informed decisions which fit their needs the best. Twisting the truth on either side isn't helping anyone and certainly detracts from that goal.
RedDragonXXX
06-13-06, 10:33 AM
I just go where the performance is!
I never understood fanboys, it's not like they are getting paid by the company to remain their loyal fans :shrug:
UglyChild
06-13-06, 12:40 PM
Good thing I haven't ever been in the AMD CPU section. I'm a die hard intel fan so there would be no use in me going in there anyway.
Me too! My Intel E-P**** is just too Big, and it will never fit in to an AMD forum.
So why cant i say "penis"?
Illyest
06-13-06, 01:40 PM
I've always been "more comfortable" with Intels but it have built/owned 4 AMD rigs. For the last build I did (rig 2) I went over to the AMD forums and was really appeciative of all the information that was posted there. I was happy to see the same level of professionalism and knowledge that I saw in the Intel forums. Many folks over there I took there advice without question as they always posted relative information with facts to back it up. Now enter the big "C" and those same folks starting trolling/flaming any Conroe thread without any facts to almost the point I cringe when I open a Conroe thread these days.
Just an FYI that yes Nagul's post a reprehensible but there it is a fact that AMD'ers have been crapping on Conroe threads quit often.
shaking_ground
06-13-06, 01:52 PM
um, not like i'm an expert on this subject....but i do read both forums VERY consistently, and it is a significantly larger problem in the intel forum than in the AMD forum.
I will admit that the "Get conroe!!!" arguments are really getting old, but the mostly pop up when someone is asking "should i do X or Y" where Y is a conroe, and the user posted in the AMD forum.
On the other hand, i could name about 10 users who ALWAYS come over to this forum and say "conroe sucks" "amd will conquer" "AMD is still more efficient" "intel is failing with SLI support" "Crossfire will fail"........so yeah this thread may not be in the best of all tones. I can repost if someone so desires. By comparison, there has been some nasty crap both ways....but the intel thread has been QUITE volatile.
Here's an idea: if you are caught constantly going over to the "other side" and doing nothing but disagreeing with the opposite brand users, you go on a 3day vacation to chill out. If that doesn't work, kick em out. That crap is annoying.
stockwiz
06-13-06, 03:44 PM
amen. Although I must say the AMD fanbois are more annoying then the intel ones in all the forums I've visited. Both are annoying because they don't understand that healthy competition is a GOOD thing. It's GOOD that there are 2 major makers of video cards and processors. Like I said in another thread, now all mac has to do is start releasing and developing their OS for the regular PC market and microsoft will finally have a rival.
yeh but 3 is better LONG LIVE Via C3 & 3dfx!!!!!!!!!
THE JEW (RaVeN)
06-13-06, 04:45 PM
I agree with this stance. Honestly, I've always found OCF is far more budget minded than other overclocking sites. Everybody here just wants the best bang for buck. How much bang and how much buck can be determined through sensible discussion and that user's needs.
Yeah, Conroe will most likely kick. But the price cuts are gonna make things interesting.
I just go where the performance is!
I never understood fanboys, it's not like they are getting paid by the company to remain their loyal fans :shrug:
I agree.
Most of the fanboyism seems to come from the detest of the other competitor. I myself can say I've done fanboy like behavior on a forum I moderate for my guild in EQ2 promoting AMD and nVidia over Intel and ATi respectively. Lately though my tune has been changing towards Intel and I am currently looking to build a Conroe system myself and told my friend who also wants to upgrade to wait as well. I want to get a dual core system and the AMD's are just too pricey compared to C2D performance / price. ATi is another matter but after my 7900GT problems as of late the ATi cards looked good. Both camps have their own pluses and minuses.
Just hope Dell / HP doesn't buy up all the available C2D's before us DIYers have a shot at them. Thought of buying a Dell system with a C2D in it just for the processor and put a D805 in it and then sell it :p
Mostly though I troll both sections and don't post on those threads because I feel my feedback wouldn't add much to what's already been stated.
But in the end we all win with competition between manufacturers as prices drop and performance goes up.
Mr. $T$
06-13-06, 05:51 PM
All they are asking is for people to be mature. Who cares who did what in the past. The point is they don't want it now, it's not complex.
Intel is finally back on the clock to clock preformence block, it's good for those who are loyal to Intel that have been left in the dark since 01'. Five years later I would understand a few being over excited, but people remember they're just chips. Pieces of silicon with a few switches in them, nothing to get heated about or invoke some kind of war over.
Evilsizer
06-13-06, 07:03 PM
I do have to ask since this is for both sides why is this only in the intel section?
It is a valid point if you going to warn both side put it in both sections.
Mr. $T$
06-13-06, 07:07 PM
I do have to ask since this is for both sides why is this only in the intel section?
It is a valid point if you going to warn both side put it in both sections.
For the most part it is some prodominatly outspoken Intel guys doing it.
I do have to ask since this is for both sides why is this only in the intel section?
It is a valid point if you going to warn both side put it in both sections.
The same thread was posted in both sections at the same time........
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=463528
Jame Gumb
06-13-06, 08:53 PM
From this point on just recommend AM2....ROFL
Wouldn't want to dry up our "low supply" of Intels.
xFlankerx
06-13-06, 09:54 PM
Haha, look at how glad the AMD section was that we would finally stop owning up their beloved processors. :)
'Tis sad.
Illyest
06-14-06, 12:05 AM
I noticed that to be fair though, most of the guys praising Davids post arent the dudes that are crappin on conroe threads. Reading their posts feels familiar, I.E. when preshotts debuted :)
ochungry
06-14-06, 12:10 AM
Haha, look at how glad the AMD section was that we would finally stop owning up their beloved processors. :)
'Tis sad.
It sounds like you could be a good candidate for vacation.
It's not about Conroe versus AM2/AMD, it's about thread crapping. A thread that has nothing to do w/ which chip kick's ass.
The request is very clear. If you see any thread here discussing which chip does what and a poster post's about competition, its ok and legitimate.
If you see a thread's OP about "AMD's price drop" and someone posts "but conroe is faster" that is thread crapping.
I hope most of you see the "clear" differences.
Are we here to create enemies among each other and/or get even?
or are we here to learn and exchange information? does it matter which side you are on or prefer, when it comes to knowledge?
Evilsizer
06-14-06, 01:37 AM
The same thread was posted in both sections at the same time........
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=463528
didnt look down far enough sorry then...
greenmaji
06-14-06, 01:40 AM
I've already seen online media (digital life TV pod cast, PC mag) saying wait to buy/build a new system.
Their reason, AMD has no plans on droping the price of their chips down to the price of compariable core2 performace.
Good overclocking motherboards might be a diffent story $$$ :shrug:
I do understand that saying "but Conroe is faster" isn't enough information for the OP and as such could be considered thread crapping.
Haha, look at how glad the AMD section was that we would finally stop owning up their beloved processors. :)
'Tis sad.
This post was about as useful and wanted as sand in a ham sandwich. If you can't say anything intelligent just don't bother posting.
This is exactly the kind of behaviour that is causing this problem. Grow up.
ScottinIndy
06-14-06, 09:37 AM
I just go where the performance is!
I never understood fanboys, it's not like they are getting paid by the company to remain their loyal fans :shrug:
I agree 100%, My loyalty lies in getting the best bang for buck period. I have always thought I was doing something wrong when I read fanboys of Intel or AMD or Nvidia or Ati, I thought they must be getting paid for promoting their products where I have been actually purchasing products from these folks. The bottom line is these companys want your $$$, I just want to make the most well informed decision I can whenever I make a purchase. Anything that leads to respectful, Informative discussion is greatly appreciated by me.
Richie P
06-14-06, 09:54 AM
Likewise, I go for whatever is the best option at the time.
9 months ago i bought a 939 3500+ system for my parents.
In a month i'll build a conroe system for myself.
phatty2x4
06-14-06, 08:52 PM
I used to despise ATI. I heard about bad driver problems(when 8500 was around) and yet, I never had my own experience with them, so I assumed it wasn't any good.
I now own a x1800xt and I love it. Don't be afraid to try new things just because it's Y brand instead of X brand.
It's called being ignorant. I'm over that now and thinking about conroe myself. I never thought I'd buy Intel again. But things can change.
Performance is performance is performance.
xFlankerx
06-15-06, 12:20 AM
It sounds like you could be a good candidate for vacation.
Oh Gee, one post per month, I would be crushed. [/sarcasm]
I understand the point completely, but its a sad way of going about it. On my "home" Forum, we have the same thing going on. The people trying to stop the arguments, while one might think they mean well, are simply trying to keep talk of Conroe on a low level. For something this revolutionary, its sad that they've sunk to the level to simply keep AMD from being bashed. Somethink that might be considered sadder is that the Conroe-supporters are almost exclusively AMD System Users. Pentium 4 was a mistake, but fanboys tried to defend it and stick to it. Now the Athlon 64 will be the weaker (not a mistake by any measure), but fanboys will again try to defend it. Its about time that you people realised that its about the performance, not the brand name.
As for thread crapping, as far as the rest of the World+Dog goes, no one knows about Conroe/Core 2 Duo. Thread crapping, without the crapping part, is a necessary evil to inform people about Conroe. Its amazing, the result that 2 weeks of thread crapping (about Conroe on my home Forum) can do on the mentality of a Forum. People's eyes have actually been opened to the superiority of Conroe, but thats a subject for another thread.
To the AMD fanboys; If someone came to the Forum looking to buy a Pentium 4, how many of you would simply show him/her the P4, and not try to get them to buy a Athlon 64? Think about that for a minute.
Oh Gee, one post per month, I would be crushed. [/sarcasm]
I understand the point completely, but its a sad way of going about it. On my "home" Forum, we have the same thing going on. The people trying to stop the arguments, while one might think they mean well, are simply trying to keep talk of Conroe on a low level. For something this revolutionary, its sad that they've sunk to the level to simply keep AMD from being bashed. Somethink that might be considered sadder is that the Conroe-supporters are almost exclusively AMD System Users. Pentium 4 was a mistake, but fanboys tried to defend it and stick to it. Now the Athlon 64 will be the weaker (not a mistake by any measure), but fanboys will again try to defend it. Its about time that you people realised that its about the performance, not the brand name.
As for thread crapping, as far as the rest of the World+Dog goes, no one knows about Conroe/Core 2 Duo. Thread crapping, without the crapping part, is a necessary evil to inform people about Conroe. Its amazing, the result that 2 weeks of thread crapping (about Conroe on my home Forum) can do on the mentality of a Forum. People's eyes have actually been opened to the superiority of Conroe, but thats a subject for another thread.
To the AMD fanboys; If someone came to the Forum looking to buy a Pentium 4, how many of you would simply show him/her the P4, and not try to get them to buy a Athlon 64? Think about that for a minute.
If you re-read the original post my point is that members should be free to -suggest- Conroe but not to drag the -entire- thread into a debate about it.
AngelfireUk83
06-15-06, 06:10 AM
I agree to this it basically says for example if someone came into the AMD thread and said "I'm thinking of upgrading my PC But Don't Know If I Want AMD or INTEL". It basically means you should reply giving info on any current AMD CPU's out and what it can do.
If on the other hand they might want an INTEL platform you should send them to the INTEL forum. As they'll find alot more dam info on it than the AMD thread I don't think someone posting "GO CONROE" is going to help.
It's like those 2 words describe the spec of the cpu when they don't.
THREAD CLOSED
Okay, this is not a thread to discuss the issue, nor is it one to add to your post count.
:rolleyes:
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