Superman Returns

[FudgeNuggets]

I have a bad feeling about this......
The feeling that it's going to SUCK.
I'm still going to see it though because I can't resist a superhero movie.
It's going to be all campy and stuff like the 80s movies.
I wish they had gone with one of the more modern/serious scripts like they have for the rest of the superhero movies or with Kevin Smith's Death of Superman script (they didn't do that because they would have had to commit to three movies) :(

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[Oni]

There is one reason, and only one reason I am going to see this film:

Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor. That man has not ever done a bad job playing anything. I can't wait to see him in this.

[Mr. Chambers]

I've viewed all the clips/trailers and I will go see it, I'm not sure why you're so set against it, I try to go into most movies with an open mind, in an attempt to be entertained and "leave real life" for a couple of hours. I was actually pretty impressed by the trailers, maybe I'm weird.

IMO, too many people try to be critics, and listen to the critics and don't let themselves just enjoy a movie anymore.

[Gautam]

IMO, too many people try to be critics, and listen to the critics and don't let themselves just enjoy a movie anymore.
QFT

[Deathknight]

I try to go into most movies with an open mind, in an attempt to be entertained and "leave real life" for a couple of hours.


Very important. Seems alot of people need to nitpick most movies apart, and if they are not a work of art they are garbage. I can accept a certain level of campyness, even in a good movie, if the movie is a campy movie. The only time I don't have tolerance campyness is when it is a serious movie and gets campy at parts. If you are serious, stay serious. If you are going to be on the James Bond level of impossible feats please establish this early in the movie and stick with it.

The modern comic book movies have been hit or miss unfortunatly. You have the original Blade movie (which IMHO was a masterpiece), Batman Begins, the spiderman movies etc, but then on the flipside you have some major let downs (all 3 x-men movies tried to be too much and ended up being worse than the flipping saturday morning cartoon) and some outright bad movies (aka batman movies once he got nipplles on the bat suit).

[FudgeNuggets]

Of the superhero movies (not before the 90s) this is what I thought.

X-men 1-3. GREAT!!! Although 3 had maybe too much fighting and too little story.

Spiderman 1-2 Toby McGwire was too nerdy and deadpan, but other than him they were awesome.

DareDevil: I REALLY liked it. A lot of people who didn't are just Affleck haters.

Elektra: I really liked it as well, not as much as DD though

Hulk: too much story, too little Hulk. Didn't really care for the character reboot story either.

Fantastic 4: It wasn't as bad as I was expecting it to be but it could've been MUCH MUCH more.

Catwoman: OMG just shoot whoever made this and approved it to get made.

Batman 1-2 (Michael Keaton) good except Keaton is too fat and old to have been Batman.

Batman 3 (Val Kilmer) Kilmer was good but all the neon crap and schlocky dialog ruiined it.

Batman 4 (George Clooney) Worst movie ever.

Batman Begins : Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: I'm one of the fiew who really liked it!

Van Helsing: Again one of the few that really liked it

Blade 1: it was pretty good

Blade 2-3: Not impressed at all, but not terrible

[zexmarquies01]

i can't wait for the new superman!!!

But it DOES suck that they threw Kevin Smith's script away.

but hopefully this movie does good.

honeslty, i wish they would make 3 movies.

the 2nd movie would have doomsday show up, and the entire justice leage get the crap beat out of them, and kill superman.

then the 3rd movie, The return of superman! where he comes back! though...it would be hard to top Doomsday as a villian.


or, if they make 3 movies, in number 2 they could have brainiac show up, and a giant dual. Superman wins...blah blah like normal

then at the end of 2, we wee doomsday's fist punching the steel wall ( like the comic ), and bam it ends.

then in 3 superman and doomsday fight, they finish each other off. Then at the very end, they pull some crap out of their butts, and have superman resurrected. Natrually, they will act like doomsday is dead. even though doomsday can never fully die.

sorry, i'm just a huge doomsday fan. HEll, they have doomsday Action figures at walmart!!! ( even though they are getting HARD to find...but i got one!! ).


The only good thing about kevin smiths script being thrown away, was that Nicolas cage isn't playing superman. Which i think he'd be HORRIBLE for it. So now, he's going to go do Ghost Rider! wootage!. But i can't see cage being the hero of all humanity, To be the greatest superhero that ever existed...its just not in his face. His face has to much of an evil look in it. He couldn't do it.

I'm really hoping Brandon Routh plays this off really well. This movie could make or break superman. Hopefully, it adds fuel to the small flame of superman, and turns it into a giant infrno that he once was!

though...they should have kept with Kevin Smiths Script. Nothing would make fans happier, than seeing superman and doomsday duke it out, and superman dieing!

Oh, and on a side note....i REALLY like what they did with the superman outfit in this new movie. They change it just slightly, but enough to stand out better!

oh, and to FudgeNuggets, about the fact that you think they should update the script to a more modern time.....sorry but they tried that with superman 4. and it failed. you can't really update superman. Every time they have tried incorperating him into current times...they fail..misserably. Superman is remembered for his 40's and 50's style. His way of acting, his style, the stories.

its just to hard to update superman really. without that 1930's-1950's feeling, superman doesn't feel like superman. he's got that old style class, which is missing now. And to change that would be the death of superman, as it has been proven in the past.


ok...i showed you guys enough of my ultra-geeky self....and this post is long enough...heh.

[threeme2189]

the trailer looks good to me.

btw League of Extraordinary Gentlemen rocked!!!!!

[Frodo Baggins]

Of the superhero movies (not before the 90s) this is what I thought.

X-men 1-3. GREAT!!! Although 3 had maybe too much fighting and too little story.

Spiderman 1-2 Toby McGwire was too nerdy and deadpan, but other than him they were awesome.

DareDevil: I REALLY liked it. A lot of people who didn't are just Affleck haters.

Elektra: I really liked it as well, not as much as DD though

Hulk: too much story, too little Hulk. Didn't really care for the character reboot story either.

Fantastic 4: It wasn't as bad as I was expecting it to be but it could've been MUCH MUCH more.

Catwoman: OMG just shoot whoever made this and approved it to get made.

Batman 1-2 (Michael Keaton) good except Keaton is too fat and old to have been Batman.

Batman 3 (Val Kilmer) Kilmer was good but all the neon crap and schlocky dialog ruiined it.

Batman 4 (George Clooney) Worst movie ever.

Batman Begins : Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: I'm one of the fiew who really liked it!

Van Helsing: Again one of the few that really liked it

Blade 1: it was pretty good

Blade 2-3: Not impressed at all, but not terrible


Spiderman: Toby was supposed to be nerdy.

Hulk: I actually thought this was one of the best superhero movies done in recent times. In fact, I would say in terms of character development, there are few other movies which topped this. This is a rare example of a superhero movie in which plot and story takes precidence over mindless action and effects.

Van Helsing: Are you kidding? This was attrocious. The only reason why Hugh didn't seem so bad as a lead actor was because he was surrounded by such inept co-stars. Let's not talk about Kate Beckinsale's accent. Dracula had me chuckling rather than gasping. Dracula's three (attractive?) minions had no nipples and manage to transform into humans WITH bikinis -- always an odd concept. Then there are the repetitive fights, and whatever excuse the director had for comedy (mostly done by the Friar)....

Anyways, Superman Returns has high expectations. Movies like that always fails because of the expectations. Personally, I've seen the trailer, and it does look quite good. If it manages to match or top Batman Begins, then I'm sure we have a real hit on our hands.

[Anjow]

Is anyone else sick of superhero/comicbook films? I've seen enough of them now, it was good while there were a few, but now adverts and franchises (including poor games) for them are everywhere.

It is this saturation of superhero/comicbook films that makes me dislike them, not the individual movies. I know that is immature, not judging them individually, but I don't care.

[shard]

I love watching movies, and I realy dont like be a critic unless something is just glaring at me. But besides that, I watch tons of movies, and is just why I am building a HT so I can enjoy it more and more :D


I realy havnt been all that excited about superhero movies, mainly due to a friend that ruins it for me imo. But this realy does look good, and I liked the originals, definatly classic stuff :D

[FudgeNuggets]

Is anyone else sick of superhero/comicbook films? I've seen enough of them now, it was good while there were a few, but now adverts and franchises (including poor games) for them are everywhere.

It is this saturation of superhero/comicbook films that makes me dislike them, not the individual movies. I know that is immature, not judging them individually, but I don't care.


No no no, not at all.Keep them coming. In fact I want more. I have reservations about Joss Whedon doing Wonder Woman as I fear it'll be too campy like Xena. What I REALLY REALLY REALLY want is the oft rumored IRON MAN movie to get done. Although I like the cartoons, I'd absolutely LOVE to see an Avengers, Justice League and Secret Wars movie but understand why this can't happen (too many members, big actors would make too much money and have too little screen time each).

[KillrBuckeye]

Could somebody explain to me the meaning of the "campy" adjective? What exactly makes a movie "campy"?

[FudgeNuggets]

Could somebody explain to me the meaning of the "campy" adjective? What exactly makes a movie "campy"?

My definition:
Not at all serious, sugar coated to the point of sickness, purposefully lame and nearly rediculous. Constant and purposeful over-exaggeration. Almost a parody.

Webster's definition:
camp: providing sophisticated amusement by virtue of having artificially (and vulgarly) mannered or banal or sentimental qualities; "they played up the silliness of their roles for camp effect"; "campy Hollywood musicals of the 1940's"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

The term camp—normally used as an adjective, even though earliest recorded uses employed it mainly as a verb—refers to the deliberate and sophisticated use of kitsch, mawkish or corny themes and styles in art, clothing or conversation. A part of the anti-Academic defense of popular culture in the sixties, camp came to academic prominence in the eighties with the widespread adoption of the Postmodern views on art and culture.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campy

Noted examples of camp:
1960s Batman
1980s Superfriends
Xena, Hercules
Austin Powers

[Deathknight]

Is anyone else sick of superhero/comicbook films? I've seen enough of them now, it was good while there were a few, but now adverts and franchises (including poor games) for them are everywhere.

I am not sick of the genre at all, but the trend of cashing in has started I believe. The sequels is where this problem is the strongest. Start with a lame storyline and then just add a couple more heros or villains from the comic book, give them bit parts, and then choreograph some very weak fight scenes and what do you get? X-Men 3! I mean seriously this movie was a convention of people with super powers just standing around showing them off. Was there an actual fight anywhere in there? Even cheesy 80s martial arts movies ended with a long fight scene. Sure seeing Juggernaut crash through 50 walls is cool and all, but why couldn't he cream a bunch of the x-men first? If you are not going to have a story, you need to at least deliver on the action.

Fantastic Four had this same problem. No momentum. The story was not strong enough to get things moving and there was not enough action there to make up for it. I felt the end of this movie would have been good... if it was 40 minutes from the end of the movie. That was the first point in the movie that I felt that things got moving (storywise or actionwise).

I realize with these movies that it is hard to tell a story AND have a good deal of action and keep things moving, but it has been done several times over. It is simply amazing how Batman Begins can tell the entire evolution of Batman, and at the same time can never get boring AND have plenty of action.

[TommyHolly]

I agree with about 90% of what Fudge Nuggets wrote above.

I would have to say the best movie based on a Comic book in a long time has been Batman Begins. Everything else has more holes in the storyline then a brick of swiss cheese.

[Mr. Chambers]

I agree with about 90% of what Fudge Nuggets wrote above.

I would have to say the best movie based on a Comic book in a long time has been Batman Begins. Everything else has more holes in the storyline then a brick of swiss cheese.

I thought Sin City was pretty good as well, I never read the comic books, but I do believe that's what it was based from?

As for the X-men movies, I liked the first one. Then the second one was kind of bland, and I've heard the 3rd one is even more blah.

[FudgeNuggets]

I thought Sin City was pretty good as well, I never read the comic books, but I do believe that's what it was based from?

As for the X-men movies, I liked the first one. Then the second one was kind of bland, and I've heard the 3rd one is even more blah.

X3 wasn't bad, it was just that it was about 10% plot and 90% fighting. I agree, Sin City was enjoyable.