Help Crazy Heat Problem!!!

[Maksim]

Help Crazy Heat Problem!!!

OK I have a computer in my room that I run 24/7 and it power'ed by a P4 3.2 Ghz CPU. Most of you here probably know thats like having a huge heater in your room. I cool it with a ZALMAN CNPS9500, but my room keeps a constant +20F then the rest of the house.

I really need water cooling, but I don’t really want to spend alot of money. Lucky for me I like building stuff and I have alot of tools in my garage. My dad is also a CNC machinist.

Well I need some suggestions on passive water cooling, or passive air cooled water cooling. Some setups that would work with my situtation. If i dont find something soon, im going to rout some pipes from the pool out side and cool it. Yeah it’s that hot.


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oh yeah my dad works with all types of metal, and he has alot of leftovers or waste that i can probably use

anyway what type of metal is the best for cooling...

or suild i just go to homedepot? and would it be easyer ?

[learning curve]

You will still dump all your heat into your room, unless you put your rads outside. The heat goes into the air weather from water or air cooling.

[Maksim]

ah for real? thier must be a more effective way i can do this? what if i get alot of pipe a make a whole maze under my bed, would that work?

maby put it in to a bucket of liquid nitrogen, and then put that in liquid helium for a nice cryogenic finish?

any ideas?

[Evilsizer]

basicly wiether ur using air or water cooling over time your room temp will rise. Just like mine does when using my P4 rigs, now using my dothan which puts out alot less heat and has a HS from like a sk370 cpu. doesnt heat up my room as much as the p4's do. So to solve the problem either leave a window/door open with ur fan on low. Have the AC run a bit longer or what not.

[da_pipe]

I have pretty much the same problem. The only way you would be able get the heat out of your room with water cooling is if the rad was pushing the heat outside. I've been thinking about building a box in my window and putting my rad in it blowing the heat outside. The only problem is that my computer is a little ways away from the window and I'd have to get a bigger pump to make up for the distance.

[soulfly1448]

Well, to answer one of your questions: Copper is pretty much the best material to make a heatsink out of.

If your computer is located near the window, you could build a sort of shroud from the radiator to the window.

[Alien1099]

ah for real? thier must be a more effective way i can do this? what if i get alot of pipe a make a whole maze under my bed, would that work?

maby put it in to a bucket of liquid nitrogen, and then put that in liquid helium for a nice cryogenic finish?

any ideas?

Yeah fo real dawg. I hope you are joking because you are talking about dangerous chemicals. If you try this, I have a feeling you will be in the running for a Darwin Award later on. :beer: The best way to make sure your liquid nitrogen cooling solution is working is to stick your hand into the liquid nitrogen to make sure it's nice and cold. It may tingle a little. :rolleyes:

Also it is a good idea to have a basic understanding of physics. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. The energy that your computer puts out in the form of heat has to go somewhere. Usually it's dissipated into the air that's in your room.

If you want a good effective watercooling setup you are probably looking at $200 or so minimum. You want to use a pure/clean coolant. Distilled water with a little anti-freeze works best. Using pool water is a horrible idea. Your best bet would be to use distilled water with some anti-freeze mixed in to prevent corrosion and biological growth (90% or 80% water with 10% or 20% antifreeze).

You could find a good/cheap pump and use a heatercore from a car to cool the water and get an Apogee waterblock for your CPU. You can get a block for your GPU too. If you are going to have a long run of tubing to the window for your radiator, you will want a good strong pump like a Danger Den D5 (Swiftech 665).

[learning curve]

If you are on a first floor. You could run the lines through your floor into a basement or crawl space. or outside your window. The only way to get rid of heat in your room is to dump it to another location. But this will require a very strong pump to accomplish.

[Arca_ex]

Yeah, I deal with it by having the door open and the ceiling fan on high, liquid cooling setups will dump even more heat because it is more efficient at transferring heat from the CPU and/or GPU into the air.

[Yuriman]

Yeah, I deal with it by having the door open and the ceiling fan on high, liquid cooling setups will dump even more heat because it is more efficient at transferring heat from the CPU and/or GPU into the air.
Not true. In the end, the same amount of heat will end up in the room. The pump might add a few watts, but it will be unnoticable. My suggestion: Put a fan (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4756123) in your door, or move your PC into a better ventilated room.

[Deathknight]

Not true. In the end, the same amount of heat will end up in the room. The pump might add a few watts, but it will be unnoticable. My suggestion: Put a fan (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4756123) in your door, or move your PC into a better ventilated room.

Exactly. The only additional heat dump is going to be caused by any additional cooling hardware you add. If you run a pump and 3 additional fans vs air cooling, well there is the additional heat from those 4 items, but the cpu is not heating the room any further. Now maybe with the better cooling you increase your voltge and OC, thus creating more heat, but the water cooling is not to blame there :)

Another thing to watch for if you are trying to cool your room down is heat dump from other components. CRT monitors produce alot of heat. Most LCDs are better in this regard, although some bigger LCDs do put out a decent amount of heat as well. Also the amp in my subwoofer put out a fair amount of heat (the metal heatsink on the back of the subwoofer can get hot to the touch even if I am not playing music).

[citronym]

I must add to this that when I run a watercooler my room is DEFINATELY warmer, no doubt about it. I live in south Florida so heat from my computer easily sways my ambient temps. The only thing I figure is that since my CPU is running at a lower temp than with on air, the difference between air temp and water temp is added to my ambient temp. Either way, when I take my watercooler offline to perform work on it and put a HSF on my CPU, it definately cools off in my room. Everytime I forget about the difference and am suprised by how nice it is in here (as is my wife!).

[Yuriman]

It will take a bit longer for the heat to get into your room with air cooling, but the same amount of heat is still being generated. I bet your room temp only drops because your PC is off for a little while from switching out from water to air.

[Maksim]

I had this idea of makeing a radiator out of tubes and puting it in to the ground, would this work?

Can the earth cool the water enought? How deep do i have to go?

[Yuriman]

People have done it before, and it works. How well it works depends on how much surface area you have, and for that I have no idea. Maybe 25ft? You will also need a powerful pump.

[Maksim]

damn i wish the stupid mini fridge were a little stronger...

[learning curve]

damn i wish the stupid mini fridge were a little stronger...That fridge wont work because it is not made for constant duty use. And a ground loop would need to be below the frost level for your area. Also you would need to use enough antifreeze to keep the loop from freezing. But it could be done.

[Maksim]

cant i just go get a gallon or two of car antifeeze?

would that work?

[Yuriman]

Yea, it would work just fine. Antifreeze isn't as good a conductor as water is though, so it would perform a bit worse. Also, its thicker, so you would need a more powerful pump. You could easily do a mixture of 50/50, or 25/75, and add more if you have freezing problems.

[citronym]

It will take a bit longer for the heat to get into your room with air cooling, but the same amount of heat is still being generated. I bet your room temp only drops because your PC is off for a little while from switching out from water to air.
I'm talking a much longer time period than immediately after I had the computer off, we're talking days and weeks. There is a difference in my ambient temp, no question. Like I said before, if my core is running at a lower temp, does that not mean that more heat is being taken away from it? (not that its producing a different amount of heat, just that more is being taken away from the CPU). Again, I am not suggesting that there is a different amount of heat being generated by the CPU.

[Yuriman]

The same amount of heat is being produced, period. The core runs cooler because it is being taking away quickly enough that it doesn't accumulate as much. With a heatsink, it accumulates to a higher temperature, and the heatsink gets hotter. But, as the heatsink increases in temperature, its ability to disipate heat gets better because there is a larger difference in temperature between it and the air around it.

Effectively, your processor runs warmer, but the heat dumped is the same. Only difference is your pump.

[Maksim]

k kool

[Evilsizer]

you know after reading about the mini fridge i looked and saw no one do what i thought might help this guy. As you have copper pipes? why not take some tubs that could fit in the mini frigde filled with water. have the pipes in water and water cool your pc that way. I mean the water in the tubs will take a good amount of heat before triggering the mini fridge to come on. Plus use all 2-4 shelves if it has it of tubs with water and having a mini type ground rad in the tubs. The best way would be to parralle "mini ground rads" in the fridge so that each one is seeing a equal heatload.
Just my thoughts, really depending on the type of mini fridge i dont see why it wouldnt work. I know about them not being to take constant heat loads. Thats why i suggested using the water in tubs.

[learning curve]

you know after reading about the mini fridge i looked and saw no one do what i thought might help this guy. As you have copper pipes? why not take some tubs that could fit in the mini frigde filled with water. have the pipes in water and water cool your pc that way. I mean the water in the tubs will take a good amount of heat before triggering the mini fridge to come on. Plus use all 2-4 shelves if it has it of tubs with water and having a mini type ground rad in the tubs. The best way would be to parralle "mini ground rads" in the fridge so that each one is seeing a equal heatload.
Just my thoughts, really depending on the type of mini fridge i dont see why it wouldnt work. I know about them not being to take constant heat loads. Thats why i suggested using the water in tubs.It won't work. The temp in the fridge will start cool enough, but with time the temp will rise. A fridge compressor just can not keep up with a constant heat load. It has been tried. I will see if I can find some links to the fridge as a water chiller threads. Here is one with some good info http://www.wizdforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4644 I will see what eles I can turn up.

[Slammin]

A mini-fridge is going to heat up a room more than the average PC I would think.

Sounds to me like your best option is to just close the door, turn off the lights, insert Oblivion CD and get nekkid.

Thats what I do! :bday:

[Evilsizer]

i guess what people consider mini is of debate
since what i was refering too was this
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7438463&type=product&productCategoryId=cat05005&id=1124431845125

not this which is Thermoelectric(aka tec/pelts)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7438427&type=product&productCategoryId=cat05005&id=1124431845071

[Deathknight]

Here is a thread from the extreme cooling section that you should check out:

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=373263

Neither fridge you linked would work. Read the article, it explains why :)

[learning curve]

Here is a thread from the extreme cooling section that you should check out:

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=373263

Neither fridge you linked would work. Read the article, it explains why :)
That is the link I was thinking of. Good info in there.

[bal3wolf]

lol my room used be like yours my pc would heat it up so much id be buring up but strange thing is once i cleaned all dust outa pc and redid my fan setup pc runs alot cooler and room is also if your fans arent bringing in good air and sending it out then alot of heat stays in your pc making it even hotter so when it does leave your pc it makes the room hot. After cleaning dust outa cpu heatsink putting another front fan in setting rear fan to exhaust and side fan pushing in i got a cool pc and a cool room. Had my 3.0e pressy running 3.8ghz with 55c load And the air coming out waset really that hot anymore compared to wat it used to be befor.

[sir_pyro]

Your best bet is to just build a loop with a radiator outside your room. A 18w DDC+ would be able to handle the CPU, maybe the video card, and then push the water through enough tubing/pipeing to get it outside. If you want to save money, a Danner Mag3 ($45) should also manage it, exp if you actually use 1/2" PVC or copper pipe to go across the room and out insted of tubing. You say your dad does CNC stuff, so if you make your own block for the computer and cave some there as well. All you HAVE to buy is the pump (again, DDC+ or MAG3), a $20 heater core ,and whatever your dad cant give you to make your blocks. Fire up autocad and and start designing something for him to feed into the equipment at work.

[Douken]

I just read to half of the post cause I didn't want to spoil this idea

So ur PC builds heat right?:beer:

have u seen a cloth dryer...:rolleyes: why don't u have ur case kind of having a good fan on the back and some kind of tubbing that moves that hot air out of ur room... man I think I'm doing that in my room cause...it really gets hot 97F:D...outside 90F:cry:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/images/dryer.jpg

Try not to make the tubbing of a material that transports heat easily as the heat might not even reach out to the exterior. try a window:D