Overwhelming BF2

[Hexnan]

Im missing something in BF2, I've played numerous other shooters and always caught on pretty quick. UT2004 was pretty easy to understand what was happening around you CoD1 and 2 were both pretty explanatory, Swat4 took me a few days to get used to the close quarters combat but i knew the objectives. and CS:S was fun but to many hackers (or i was just really bad at it)

In BF2 i jump in the game run up 30 feet and get smoked by a helo, respawn sniped, respawn into an airstrike, respawn etc... im only getting 2 or 3 kills a game and thats usually from someone accidently running into an ill fired SAW.

OK enough complaining, I want to make the most out of this game and i guess i need some direction. Mainly i play conquest, on any map. I see my flags and understand they need captured.

Is it more of a patience type game where i should hold a position and try to keep it from falling, or a run and gun game. I know its based on play style but i feel alone in a rainstorm of lead and fire.

is being in a squad important?, i never get invited. how do i go about getting invites? is it more vehicle based or infantry based? i really like the design of this game but i think the execution is terrible. why cant i join a friend and get on the same team? or even see what server he is on?

any input would be appreciated

Hex

[Krome]

I'm getting a better videocard just to play this.

[Trombe]

May I reccomend you play a bit in single-player mode. There's an annoying voice that pretty much runs a tutorial of the game as you play.

[maelstromracing]

Or play the demo for a bit...

[Romulox]

Bf2 is hard game to run and gun when your by yourself.
It can be done but its only really effectively with teamwork.
If your team stinks It can ruin a game. Try joining squads and
avoid capping flags thats have tons enemies around
without a few teammates.

If your having trouble your best bet is to familiarize yourself with the maps
try using vehicels especially tanks also don't run aimlessly into battles. And don't be afraid to disconnect and
join another server.

[lemings]

As a newbie, just look for the largest group of teammates you can and follow them around until you get the hang of things. I would also recommend choosing the sniper kit on maps where visibility is large. Don't choose it to kill though, just do a few rounds of nothing but scouting and only taking shots when its a sure headshot. While you won't get points this way, its a good way to familiarize your self with troop movements on certain maps, etc...

[mage_x]

The game is pretty simple.. Run around, kill people, capture flags. There's really nothing to it besides pointing and clicking. It definitely isn't as hard as games like UT or CS since it really takes no skill to kill someone in BF2. The main point of the game, though, is using good strategy, but you usually have to be playing with friends or clanmates for that to happen.

To play with a friend you need to have him send you the IP he is on, or join his game through a program like X-Fire.

[Kurz]

My clanmates always ask how do I live forever basically...
First hit the tab or was it the caps lock...
It'll bring up the squad menu, Join a squad that is pretty full.
Dont expect everyone to stay together though stay with a teammate, be his Medic heal him revive him. Support him.
Just follow him around to get a deeper understanding of the games mechanics.

After awhile you'll start to tell when Artillary Strikes will hit. Usually if you notice there are bunch of your teammates around, Make some Distance for an arty is just a click away for the commander.

HIDE often! Dont run out in the middle of an open terrain, vechicals, Helos, will see you. And will take you down if they can... I pounce behind defensive walls all the time.

You have Gernades learn to use them.
You have a pistol as a second weapon use it as well, it has near perfect aim in close quarters.
You have a knife, use it to **** off the enemy.
Run over people, I used to play in BFCombat.com I saved quite a few flags just by running people over!

Sprint when you have too... And never let it hit the red mark.

Never stay in one spot for too long. <--- probably the most important lesson anyone can learn.
Be aware of the battlefield, so what you dont have an over head map!
You have a mini-map use it. An Informed soldier will make informed decesions

[Owenator]

The game is pretty simple.. Run around, kill people, capture flags. There's really nothing to it besides pointing and clicking. It definitely isn't as hard as games like UT or CS since it really takes no skill to kill someone in BF2. The main point of the game, though, is using good strategy, but you usually have to be playing with friends or clanmates for that to happen.

To play with a friend you need to have him send you the IP he is on, or join his game through a program like X-Fire.
I've never player UT or CS so I don't now if they are "harder" but BF2 is not simple if done right. If you play as a team on a squad it can become very complex. If all you do is run around lone wolf it isn't near as hard. To me my score means nothing if my side looses. That's the whole point. It's not an individual win it's a team win or a team loss. That's what I think anyway.

[mage_x]

They're "harder" because they take skill to kill someone. You actually have to aim in them. In BF2 all you have to do unless you're a sniper or something is spray at them and hope they die. The spray (the way the gun fires) is totally random as well, even the first shot.

There's really nothing complex about BF2. The strategy isn't complex, nor is the squad system. What's complex about it?

[Owenator]

They're "harder" because they take skill to kill someone. You actually have to aim in them. In BF2 all you have to do unless you're a sniper or something is spray at them and hope they die. The spray (the way the gun fires) is totally random as well, even the first shot.

There's really nothing complex about BF2. The strategy isn't complex, nor is the squad system. What's complex about it?

You must be playing a different BF2 then I play if you can actually spray and kill someone with small arms fire, never works for me. I aim at someones torso and unload and they don't always die. I was never a "boom headshot" player so maybe your "skilz" make it so easy? The only game I ever played where "spray and pray" worked was FarCry. I'll have to try CSS or UT2004 to see how "hard" they are.

Complex is relative I agree. I think if you are a squad leader and you are in the process of moving accross the map, selecting your next target, following commanders orders, responding to squad comminication, defending yourself, and trying to stay alive it get's hectic.

My point is the game is not as easy or simple as you claim it is. Read the earlier posts they back this up. So I just can't accept your statement as fact. I think I have said why I think it is not simple or easy. If I missed anything let me know. If you insist it's so simple, how about telling me what is so easy about it? So far, your argument lacks the depth needed to convince me.

Please don't take this as a flame. I am just trying to understand whay you say it is so simple. Maybe I have no skill at this game? Perhaps, but I have a lot of experience palying FPS (hint over 10 years). Although being relatively old compared to some gamers may be my weakness I don't think my reaction times are that bad yet. It may be my game settings are not optimized which is also intriguing to me. I've read that pro-gamers play at 800x600 to get better accuracy whereas I usually play at 1280x1024 with everything on. Or maybe I just need to work on my aim by playing a diff game?

Any constructive suggestions would be welcome. Which is why the OP posted this in the first place.

[SolidxSnake]

i'm gonna ahve to agree with mage_x moreover. BF2 is a much easier game to play than CS:S for me. Then again, lots of the time i'm going solo. I tend to join a squad that's packed, and spawn on the leader and heal him. If i forget to join a squad (it's happened :D), i'll probably grab a vehicle and run around to points trying to cap them. Aiming and shooting a gun in BF2 is much easier than in CS:S, for me anyway.

to the OP: Try playing a map like Sharqi Peninsula or Strike at Karkand. For Sharqi, play as USMC, for Karkand, play as MEC. Follow teammates around to get the hang of the game. Join a squad (press capslock and look through all the squads and join the most populated). I'd start out with the spec ops, assault, or medic kits. Learn your kit, and know when to and when not to use it. During the middle of a battle, you can do well with just about any of the kits I mentioned. CQC will want assault over anything. Against armors you'll want Spec Ops or anti-tank. If you die by an armor, you'll be sure to know it hasn't gone very far. If the armor is camping a point, you can try to respawn there and battle the tank, or anticipate it's next movement and spawn there.

I agree this game is based heavily on teamwork. But I can hardly say that i've played many rounds that have had teamwork.

[Kurz]

I suggest you all try out
http://www.bf2combat.net/

Though there is an Added fee, its quite worth it since Battledays are all about strategy and speed. Its so crazy sometimes I just need to take a breather.

[Owenator]

i'm gonna ahve to agree with mage_x moreover. BF2 is a much easier game to play than CS:S for me. Then again, lots of the time i'm going solo. I tend to join a squad that's packed, and spawn on the leader and heal him. If i forget to join a squad (it's happened :D), i'll probably grab a vehicle and run around to points trying to cap them. Aiming and shooting a gun in BF2 is much easier than in CS:S, for me anyway.

to the OP: Try playing a map like Sharqi Peninsula or Strike at Karkand. For Sharqi, play as USMC, for Karkand, play as MEC. Follow teammates around to get the hang of the game. Join a squad (press capslock and look through all the squads and join the most populated). I'd start out with the spec ops, assault, or medic kits. Learn your kit, and know when to and when not to use it. During the middle of a battle, you can do well with just about any of the kits I mentioned. CQC will want assault over anything. Against armors you'll want Spec Ops or anti-tank. If you die by an armor, you'll be sure to know it hasn't gone very far. If the armor is camping a point, you can try to respawn there and battle the tank, or anticipate it's next movement and spawn there.

I agree this game is based heavily on teamwork. But I can hardly say that i've played many rounds that have had teamwork.
I've never plaued CS:S so maybe that's why I think BF2 is hard. I'll have to start playing CS:S it sounds like it would help develop my skills. That said do you play BF2 like CS:S? I mean is the strategy the same?

I find a lot of BF2 players that play only for points and kills and take no time to win the round. This is why you saw so many people playing without teamwork. It is a carry over from the single player mentality of other FPS games. It is less common to see multiple squads working together to win a round. Usually I'll find one squad that is trying to win the round and stick with them.

I am wondering if it is just not popular to have team based online gaming. It probably is because what I want teh game to be like is not what everyone else does. Such is life. That is why I am still beating this horse. I am still trying to get people to play the game the way I think it should be played which maybe a fools errand. I accept that each perosn has their own idea on how to play BF2 online (other games as well). I just wish there was more of a team based attutide toward it.

Since everybody seems obsessed with BF2 points I wonder if a 2x bonus for the winning side's players would be enough ensentive to get the teamwork going? I'll have to email this idea to EA/Dice.

[Douken]

when did u got the game? 2 days ago or 2 weeks, whatever the reason. Just play, play & play and ull get it right.

[Owenator]

I suggest you all try out
http://www.bf2combat.net/

Though there is an Added fee, its quite worth it since Battledays are all about strategy and speed. Its so crazy sometimes I just need to take a breather.

I'll check it out thanks.

[twoeyes]

I'd have to say i'm not quite sure what your issue is, I've played the demo and full version to see if i wanted to buy but it just wasnt my thing... Not because of how hard it was, on the contrary I found myself getting about 6 kills per death easially. All i'd do is sneak behind enemy lines, camp somewhere and get them as they run around from behind, i wouldnt even bother with vehicles except for the fun of it. Ah and i was a sniper, so it was very easy just to run up into a parking garage or something and just plant my mines and just kill everyone like i was god because nothing could get me. Thats why I went back to CS:S (for comparison in that i'm always 2:1 at least and i've had no problem with "hackers" :))

I found most players in BF2 to be without general FPS skills honestly, I'd always win a 1v1 battle even if all i had out was a damn pistol, which is again why i went back. It sounds like i'm bragging, and... i am :D

[Owenator]

I'd have to say i'm not quite sure what your issue is, I've played the demo and full version to see if i wanted to buy but it just wasnt my thing... Not because of how hard it was, on the contrary I found myself getting about 6 kills per death easially. All i'd do is sneak behind enemy lines, camp somewhere and get them as they run around from behind, i wouldnt even bother with vehicles except for the fun of it. Ah and i was a sniper, so it was very easy just to run up into a parking garage or something and just plant my mines and just kill everyone like i was god because nothing could get me. Thats why I went back to CS:S (for comparison in that i'm always 2:1 at least and i've had no problem with "hackers" :))

I found most players in BF2 to be without general FPS skills honestly, I'd always win a 1v1 battle even if all i had out was a damn pistol, which is again why i went back. It sounds like i'm bragging, and... i am :D
This is what I mean. You seem to be most concerned with kills and points for yourself. There is nothing wrong with that per se it is just not what I was looking for in BF2. I was hoping for cooperative teamwork to develop similar to WoW. I think most FPS fans are into the kills so I may be out of luck. I thought BF2 was supposed to be a "first person strategy shooter" but I may be wrong.

I never considered myself the uber player but that dosen't mean I suck either. I don't think I'd say what you say about most BF2 players being lesser FPS players, at least not the ones I play who are in clans. When I played FarCry a lot I found that there were very few players that could kill me as much as I killed them but when I played BF2 that skill didn't seem to translate. But then being good at 1v1 with small arms means nothing when the bombs and artillery come.

The one thing all this has said to me is that either: 1) playing CS:S makes you the best FPS player ever or 2) it gives you a huge ego. Not sure which one is true until I play CS:S for myself.

[SolidxSnake]

This is what I mean. You seem to be most concerned with kills and points for yourself. There is nothing wrong with that per se it is just not what I was looking for in BF2. I was hoping for cooperative teamwork to develop similar to WoW. I think most FPS fans are into the kills so I may be out of luck. I thought BF2 was supposed to be a "first person strategy shooter" but I may be wrong.

I never considered myself the uber player but that dosen't mean I suck either. I don't think I'd say what you say about most BF2 players being lesser FPS players, at least not the ones I play who are in clans. When I played FarCry a lot I found that there were very few players that could kill me as much as I killed them but when I played BF2 that skill didn't seem to translate. But then being good at 1v1 with small arms means nothing when the bombs and artillery come.

The one thing all this has said to me is that either: 1) playing CS:S makes you the best FPS player ever or 2) it gives you a huge ego. Not sure which one is true until I play CS:S for myself.


I can say right now I don't play CS:S like I do BF2, aside from aiming. The movement is much different.

[Owenator]

I can say right now I don't play CS:S like I do BF2, aside from aiming. The movement is much different.

Do you mean like running and gunning versus stalking? I am always up to improve my FPS skills and it sounds like playing CS:S will do just that.

[SolidxSnake]

Do you mean like running and gunning versus stalking? I am always up to improve my FPS skills and it sounds like playing CS:S will do just that.


The whole stamina aspect of BF2 changes the game a LOT. In CS, running is very important (well, in a pub :D). Plus, the games feel completely different, not really sure how to explain that.

[Owenator]

The whole stamina aspect of BF2 changes the game a LOT. In CS, running is very important (well, in a pub :D). Plus, the games feel completely different, not really sure how to explain that.

NP I'll play a little CS:S tonight to see for myself. I've had it since I got HL2 just never tried it out. Sounds linteresting. Sorry to take over this thread! I'll stop my thread hyjack now! :D

Sorry Hexnan!

[Kurz]

Owenator, Prepared for some bit of BS.
Some people have fast ass reflexes in that game.

Btw if you have any questions conscerning BF2C just PM me.

[lemings]

I have played both BF2 and CS:S and.... BF2 clearly wins. The main goal in CS:S is to look out for "YOU" and "YOU" alone which often leads to a lot of going off alone which in reality makes it just another deathmatch game. BF2 may be buggy at times and have lack of support, but if you change your mindset to play as a team it can become quiet competitive. And another thing (You could call this a flame) QUIT BEING MEDIC... it ruins the gameplay if your going medic just for the kills... as such in the scenerio below...
*Get shot down to 3 bars
*Pull health pack
*Drop health pack
*Restored to 100%
*Move forward
*Get shot again down to 3 bars
*pull/drop health pack

[mage_x]

BF2 and CS are both team based games, so I don't see how you can say the main goal of CS is to "look out for yourself." It's totally the opposite. In any FPS game, people that just play pubs will usually only look out for themselves, but if you're playing on a real team (in clan matches, etc), then doing that would just get your team killed.

[SolidxSnake]

I have played both BF2 and CS:S and.... BF2 clearly wins. The main goal in CS:S is to look out for "YOU" and "YOU" alone which often leads to a lot of going off alone which in reality makes it just another deathmatch game. BF2 may be buggy at times and have lack of support, but if you change your mindset to play as a team it can become quiet competitive. And another thing (You could call this a flame) QUIT BEING MEDIC... it ruins the gameplay if your going medic just for the kills... as such in the scenerio below...
*Get shot down to 3 bars
*Pull health pack
*Drop health pack
*Restored to 100%
*Move forward
*Get shot again down to 3 bars
*pull/drop health pack


You know, i'm always medic because i have the Lee Enfield and have 2nd longest sprint... i never heal myself, i just run in and revive all the ones who were "critically wounded"... almost never use the health bags

Maybe i should try that out :D

Mage: CS is team based... but most pubbers forgot that... though some pubs are decent (clan pubs to be specific), as clans go there and work with the rest of their clan to win... if you just kinda nudge yourself into their plans you get to play with teamwork (GASP!)

[mage_x]

Mage: CS is team based... but most pubbers forgot that... though some pubs are decent (clan pubs to be specific), as clans go there and work with the rest of their clan to win... if you just kinda nudge yourself into their plans you get to play with teamwork (GASP!)
That's what I said.

[lemings]

Well basically thats my point right there... on CS:S you have to make an effort on your part and your teams part to play as a team. On BF2 however while at times teamwork is non-existent, it somewhat puts a more powerful nudge in favor of teamwork. And comparing UT to BF2 is just off topic the two games are no where near alike. I find often its usually the younger crowd who go for CS:S which may be why I dislike it as I prefer to play with more mature players. Any how.. Im not trying to get into a debate here just throwing in my 2 cents.

[twoeyes]

haha I knew I was going to get flamed for that (not really but as close as you'll come on these boards). I'd have to say CS:S gives you a huge ego when you get good... why? because you kill 6 people in one round, and then they all blast you with sware words at the end of a round screaming profanities and throwing out the H word left and right "twoeyes hacks ban him!" etc probably the most complementary thing you can say to someone in CS unless they really are hacking in which case they deserve to have feces shoved up their nostrils.

After playing CS all other FPS games just seem dead to me, nobody chats at all, the greatest (and sometimes worst) thing in CS:S is the punishment for dying which is when you get to know people, throw some trash, etc, or make fun of "teh n00bs" ("F10 for ubar hax11!11!1" or "F10 for teh free awp!11!" < f10 closes game). In BF2 and other games with nearly instant respawning I feel like i'm playing bots with no life at all.

As to the question of whether or not CS is a team game I'd say thats up to the player, if I feel like joining a group just watch your radar and follow a cluster of people or join a clan. Once you get to a certain point though, its easy enough to get 4-5 kills a round going solo if you use the right tactics, and if you know the map well enough.

[Owenator]

BF2 and CS are both team based games, so I don't see how you can say the main goal of CS is to "look out for yourself." It's totally the opposite. In any FPS game, people that just play pubs will usually only look out for themselves, but if you're playing on a real team (in clan matches, etc), then doing that would just get your team killed.

This is actually why I started playing BF2 but got kinda disappointed with all the loan wolfs on public server. For me I wanted the team play. You cna get in a a pretty good pickup BF2 game on a lot of clan servers just depends on the clan. That said there are a lot of new players on some servers which can be good if you just want to frag but bad id they are on your team and providing no supprt.

That's why I got into the [OCG] BF2 clan and since switched to the -=DE=- clan. In a clan you actually look out for each other which is what I wanted. It sounds like a good CS:S clan match can be team centric which is cool. I'm going to start playing CS:S just to see for myself. My current clan has had CS:S matches in the past so maybe I'll get in on some soon.

[Owenator]

haha I knew I was going to get flamed for that (not really but as close as you'll come on these boards). I'd have to say CS:S gives you a huge ego when you get good... why? because you kill 6 people in one round, and then they all blast you with sware words at the end of a round screaming profanities and throwing out the H word left and right "twoeyes hacks ban him!" etc probably the most complementary thing you can say to someone in CS unless they really are hacking in which case they deserve to have feces shoved up their nostrils.

After playing CS all other FPS games just seem dead to me, nobody chats at all, the greatest (and sometimes worst) thing in CS:S is the punishment for dying which is when you get to know people, throw some trash, etc, or make fun of "teh n00bs" ("F10 for ubar hax11!11!1" or "F10 for teh free awp!11!" < f10 closes game). In BF2 and other games with nearly instant respawning I feel like i'm playing bots with no life at all.

As to the question of whether or not CS is a team game I'd say thats up to the player, if I feel like joining a group just watch your radar and follow a cluster of people or join a clan. Once you get to a certain point though, its easy enough to get 4-5 kills a round going solo if you use the right tactics, and if you know the map well enough.

I used to get this when I played FarCry. Dead guy: "WTF you aren't dead?! You must hack!" Me: "It's called full body armor and full health. Find them and get them BEFORE you run out pistols blazing." Dead guy: "No way you must hack!" I am no good at elite speech so I'm not going to try all the x's and 1's. :p

[twoeyes]

Hey just a piece of advice try out Gun Game and Deathmatch (EXCELLENT for practice) mods if you want some fun. In gun game you start with pistols and have to get a kill with each gun until eventually you have to get a nade and knife kill. The first one to get to their knife kill at level 24 will win (only 1 winner) and the map will change. Knives also gain you extra levels and when you get 3 levels in a row you get a speed boost and full health to own everyone left (speed boost is temp for like 10 seconds)

Good GG server: 69.65.15.55:27015 AFAIK the dls are fast (been a long time since i've had to DL a map from there though)... its all custom maps made for GG

[Hexnan]

well i finally got the hang of the game sort of, i ran as a sniper in a squad and tried to hold back on coming flag cappers/defend capped flags. my biggest sense of bewilderment was the maps i guess, i couldnt ever tell where anyone was coming from. i tried playing bf2 like cs:s or how i like to play cs:s which is move nade shoot move and it wasnt working.

Ive only had the game 2 weeks now and am love with it, one of the funnest fps ive played when your working with a team.

thanks for all the insight, ive tried everything you guys have suggested and had a little luck.

hex

[stereo555]

I suggest you all try out
http://www.bf2combat.net/

Though there is an Added fee, its quite worth it since Battledays are all about strategy and speed. Its so crazy sometimes I just need to take a breather.

Looks kinda cool . Might try it out .... thx ;)

[Fighter2a]

There is a huge skill gap in BF2. I play on a CAL team and we are scriming the best teams in the US every day. Sometimes really good teams play in public servers and you might find yourself getting killed a lot and getting frustrated. You might want to just find another server with people of your skill level. Also if your playing on huge servers with 32+ people it's easy to get killed constantly because people are everywhere and sometimes clans will join and stack one of the teams. Perhaps try playing on smaller servers until you get the hang of the game.

[Owenator]

well i finally got the hang of the game sort of, i ran as a sniper in a squad and tried to hold back on coming flag cappers/defend capped flags. my biggest sense of bewilderment was the maps i guess, i couldnt ever tell where anyone was coming from. i tried playing bf2 like cs:s or how i like to play cs:s which is move nade shoot move and it wasnt working.

Ive only had the game 2 weeks now and am love with it, one of the funnest fps ive played when your working with a team.

thanks for all the insight, ive tried everything you guys have suggested and had a little luck.

hex

Glad you had a little success! I have been playing BF2 since December of last year and it did take a while to get used to the chaos. I agree with the other poster about a smaller map being a good place to start or even playing the single player bots for a while. You may want to play as an body armored class to stay alive a little longer. Anit-tank, assult, and Support have body armor. Medics can as mentioned also heal them selves too.

I played afew hours of CS:S last night, the matrix mod map among others. I only have a few hours of CS:S under my belt so these are first impressions. From my BF2 perspective it was just a run and gun game. A lot like every other FPS deathmatch I have played. I didn't find it that terribly difficult or complex to play. But I am sure, like BF2 it depends on your opponents skill level. BF2 has some really good players and quite a few that are new. The BF2 city maps (Karkand, Sharqi, and Mashtur, etc.) seem similar to CS:S. But one good thing about BF2 is you respawn!

When I was startting out I'd look for a server with low scoring players and hope they were not uber killers. If you join a server with one or two high scoring players you can almost guarantee that they are probably either very skilled at infantry or vehicles (planes, choppers, or armor). Usually it's vehicles in my experience. You will run into a some very skilled at infantry players which I usually see on the city maps.

I would try out the new Armored Fury expansion or the more open standard maps: Dragon Valley, Dalian plant, Daquing Oil Fields, Gulf of Oman, etc . The map size/openess makes it easier to spawn and then get going befoire you die (usually). I like Dragon Valley of the open maps. It's good for armor and hard to totally air power dominate like Gulf of Oman.

If you want to just learn a bit more you can always join me at Clan practice. I play with -=DE=- now. We practice Tues & Thurs after 8PM EST. Shoot me a PM if you like. My bf2/xfire is Owenator1.

[theELVISCERATOR]

BF2 is not a game you just load and expect to be good against seasoned players who have played this game and bf1942 and Desert Combat since their inception.

You are waaaay behind on the curve and it will take a while to catch up.

Learning the maps alone will help the most..

There are several guides out there for learning about pros/cons about weapons/vehicles and strategies against them all.

The game itself is unbalanced in more then a few ways, this doesnt help.

[Owenator]

BF2 is not a game you just load and expect to be good against seasoned players who have played this game and bf1942 and Desert Combat since their inception.

You are waaaay behind on the curve and it will take a while to catch up.

Learning the maps alone will help the most..

There are several guides out there for learning about pros/cons about weapons/vehicles and strategies against them all.

The game itself is unbalanced in more then a few ways, this doesnt help.

This is true. Knowing the maps will help you survive. If you know where the anti-armor TOW's are you can definitely do some damage to rampaging armor. There is a nice ambush TOW across teh road from the Marines artillery on Karkand that is always good for a few kills. I surprised how long it takes people to figure out that when I sit there and frag their vehicles!

I agree that the game can be unbalanced but EA/Dice shake things up enough with their patches enough to keep me playing. I may be in the minority, but I like it when they "nerf" (weaken) aircraft and other tactics to the benefit of infantry. If we had several hundred players on a server you could keep the "flying tank helicopters" from the earlier game versions.

As of the 1.3 patch you can finally kill a chopper but it still takes a good team and good players to keep them at bay if a good pilot gets in one. I think the Armored Fury maps are the most balaced in that respect. Why have airpower without mobile AA? Doesn't make any sense to me.

[Schalldampfer]

I guess it depends on how you want to play. Reading all the posts, it seems as if some people like going for the team win, and some for individual kills. Personally I lean toward the latter. The way I see it, in this game, you're on your own. All other players, even on your own team, have a high chance of being idiots and selfish themselves. Thus you need to go out there on your own if you want to have some fun. Try going commander, that way you'll almost always have UAV when you need it. UAV is your eyes, your senses, even your deepest love, maybe. Hit T and left-click to fire it up when you're commander and then spray away.

[Owenator]

I guess it depends on how you want to play. Reading all the posts, it seems as if some people like going for the team win, and some for individual kills. Personally I lean toward the latter. The way I see it, in this game, you're on your own. All other players, even on your own team, have a high chance of being idiots and selfish themselves....

I agree totally. Last night my clan was playing on a server where one team was out for kills and the other to win. Sadly the kills team was the side we started on, but after we started capping flags our side won the round. It really depends on the server too. We were on an EA public one recruiting so a lot of lonewolf's, but if you play on a lot of clan servers you'll see good teamwork. Just look for servers that have "join a squad of be kicked" in their sign on message.

I disagree with the commander out for them self idea. To me the commander of all the players should be the one looking for a win not just kills. But I understand that on small maps the commander has to do some fighting too. And if you ever do play commander DON'T GET IN A VEHICLE AND JUST SIT THERE! This really ticks me off to see a commander siting in armor when they should be commanding! I could be fighting with the item they are idling. This is one of the situations where a team kill is ALMOST justified IMHO. I'll usually tell them to "get out" and if not start a mutiny.

[Kibokun]

All this being said...why can't they make a fragfest game with realism? :( I personally prefer to lone wolf in BF2. I'm sorry if people don't like it, but I'm not HURTING anyone, I'm just not helping as much as I possibly could. I enjoy myself more that way and it's my right to as long as I'm not hindering anyone elses experience.It's not like I wont help someone if they need, but I wont go waaay out of my way to participate in some ealborate plot. haha. Also, I get a lot more kills from snipercamping other flags, which in turn helps somewhat...it's just less noticable I guess.

[Owenator]

All this being said...why can't they make a fragfest game with realism? :( I personally prefer to lone wolf in BF2. I'm sorry if people don't like it, but I'm not HURTING anyone, I'm just not helping as much as I possibly could. I enjoy myself more that way and it's my right to as long as I'm not hindering anyone elses experience.It's not like I wont help someone if they need, but I wont go waaay out of my way to participate in some ealborate plot. haha. Also, I get a lot more kills from snipercamping other flags, which in turn helps somewhat...it's just less noticable I guess.

I think that you are not "wrong" just play different/have different goals than I do. Every kill does reduce the opposing teams tickets. It is possible to win by reducing the opposing teams ticket count to zero even if you don't have all the flags. I've seen it many times. Just not my bag, so to speak.

[Schalldampfer]

I agree totally. Last night my clan was playing on a server where one team was out for kills and the other to win. Sadly the kills team was the side we started on, but after we started capping flags our side won the round. It really depends on the server too. We were on an EA public one recruiting so a lot of lonewolf's, but if you play on a lot of clan servers you'll see good teamwork. Just look for servers that have "join a squad of be kicked" in their sign on message.

I disagree with the commander out for them self idea. To me the commander of all the players should be the one looking for a win not just kills. But I understand that on small maps the commander has to do some fighting too. And if you ever do play commander DON'T GET IN A VEHICLE AND JUST SIT THERE! This really ticks me off to see a commander siting in armor when they should be commanding! I could be fighting with the item they are idling. This is one of the situations where a team kill is ALMOST justified IMHO. I'll usually tell them to "get out" and if not start a mutiny.

I agree. I also want to explore the teamwork side, but unfortunately, the OCG server is empty most of the time. And I also agree with you on the commander's sitting in vehicles doing nothing. It's just unreasonable. However, I do believe that the commander should be involved in the battle regardless of the map size. When I command, I usually charge in with the rest of the team, so that I may better assess the situation and pinpoint the targets for others.